Invisible consumer society - the invisible fight!

ColonelJason
A consumer society can be called a society of people that consume more material than spiritual, i.e., the orientation of consumption towards the material (selfish receiving pleasure from the delicious food, primitive entertainment, comfort, sex without love, exploitation and power over others). The spiritual component of society, used for self-interest.
In the USSR in 60-e years of the 20th century was the heyday of society is not consumption, but the spiritual aspect was the leading.
Problems of the consumer society is increasing, the degradation and degeneration (physical, emotional, mental, and moral).

vftor
vftor wrote:
A consumer society can be called a society of people that consume more material than spiritual
How do you measure and compare the quantity of material and spiritual consumption? For example, I like delicious food and quality clothing. But read a lot and love to listen to music. How often can I change the jeans and how many times a day to eat (and how - not tasty), to be that I consume more spiritual than material? But medieval peasants generally lived solely in order to eat( at least, all their activity was to work towards obtaining food). Medieval peasant is a typical representative of the consumer society?
What do you call spiritual consumption?
vftor wrote:
In the USSR in 60-e years of the 20th century was the heyday of society is not consumption, but the spiritual aspect was the leading.
Well, it's needless
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vftor wrote:
Problems of the consumer society is increasing degradation
Oh, well, it's my favorite - about the degradation. Well, when born in the 60s, in 89-m, the whole country in front of the TV the water is charged, this seems to be the result of unprecedented intellectual progress. And what morals we showed the kids"the flourishing of society is not consumption in the 90s, what kind of asceticism in respect to material goods - a pleasure to watch.

Ps:
vftor wrote:
the selfish pleasure of delicious food
Very interesting, and looks like altruistic enjoying delicious food? This is when you're a little chewed delicious food otharkiwati in the mouth of the poor?

ColonelJason
Good questions
ColonelJason wrote:
How do you measure and compare the quantity of material and spiritual consumption?
Subjectively, like everyone in the humanitarian field of knowledge.
ColonelJason wrote:
And what morals we showed the kids"the flourishing of society is not consumption in the 90s
Geeks always more, but in the 90s their heyday.
ColonelJason wrote:
and how does the altruistic enjoying delicious food?
Wrong phrase I made up. I had the main pleasure...

Can be explained through the economy, saying the consumer society is the one maggot in a cesspool, which utilizes produce a market economy is shit, in order to maintain continuously current financial flows, but it is long. Prefer short variant consumed, the basic unit of the consumer society is the one whose death does not change anything in the world around him. It's such a conventional DOE, which does and has no effect even within his five meters. Traded other people's goods, got the wrappers, bartered for them, another foreign product, repeat...and so the whole life. The total life of the stove, fences and 20 tons of synthetic debris.

requiemmm
I call them animal world. Perhaps there is also a need for a change as NPCs in the game, but not to interfere.

requiemmm
requiemmm wrote:
the consumer society is the one maggot in a cesspool, which utilizes produce a market economy shit
What criteria do you determine the products in the category shit? Different shit produced by a market economy from the shit, produce scheduled?
requiemmm wrote:
consumed, the basic unit of the consumer society is the one whose death does not change anything in the world around him.
What do you mean by the change? Don't you think that changes in the world after death is a very subjective method of assessment? If a lonely old man dies and nobody notices it - potreby? If you die young heir to a billionaire living solely consumption, and hundreds of people serving his property remain unemployed, and capital flows change their directions,it is not potrzeby? Well, obviously the obvious question: what's your death going to change in the outside world? What have you contributed? Than your life cycles are different from you described?

vftor
vftor wrote:
I call them
vftor wrote:
Perhaps they also need
The same questions: are you on what basis exclude from their ranks? You affect something? Your death would change anything? You don't need for variety, and some significant benefit to society bring?

What criteria do you determine the products in the category shit? At its core essence. The market economy produces a product that will break after garantiyku, and give way to your next version, so all the factories in business and the spice must flow. Planned...here I have a sewing machine, vacuum cleaner, tool and some other things with a safety margin of 500%, which will outlive me, you, Edro and modern Russia in General. Throw them because I got tired, not because it was broken.

what's your death going to change in the outside world? The brownie will be lonely:) the fact that I maintain a very old house in which my hands is a lot. And my monument will be all these buildings, built me a stove, 60 meters of fence and many more, including different bat and refurbished electronics. Yes, perhaps it is far from ideal, I never was purity in the work, but they all exist in a single instance proves the existence of me. Other such bollocks no one just yet. And planted me trees enough to balance another man's son Gopnik:))

ColonelJason
If anything, the fight club is not about the consumer society is never, and about the fatherless.

ColonelJason
All questions will be answered by one their worldview:
- Our virtual world created by higher beings for the simulation of the reliable mankind, as their assistant.
- Every man after death is assessed according to the criteria of Supreme beings modificeres and either run (reincarnation through birth) life to further improve or is sent to archive as worthless, forever.
- People are evaluated according to the laws of morality higher beings, which are reflected in religions and teachings, but not perverted morality is created by people for selfish purposes.
- To evaluate people in the process of life produces a variety of tests (in the religions that the temptations of the devil as the villain, but the devil is not a villain, and a tester of the human world, one of the highest beings). Now, the people of the lower level of development (customers, etc.) when testing is defined as unfit, unreliable. The diversity of people allows for full testing in all possible situations.
- Modernization of mankind is made by cycles. At the end of each cycle of mankind or the individual society, or mysteriously disappeared (successfully withstand testing), or destroyed in any way (can't test). Now the Era of Aquarius. Part of humanity is doomed.

for starters, I believe should establish some criteria for the concept of the consumer society, not causing doubts among all survey participants.
the easiest way to do this by going to the Wiki. someone might say, well, not much... it right, let him offer his own version.
the main thing that with the original definition of consumption was according to the majority.
so.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5
Consumption — the use of the product, the process of meeting needs. In the economy of consumption is equated to the acquisition of goods or services. Consumption becomes possible due to income or spending savings...
ColonelJason wrote:
-What is a "consumer society"? Whether it exists in reality?
a society of homosexuals - percolat each other. there is in reality.
alcoholics anonymous - trying to change the color of his body with blue on the human. there is in reality.
the society of fans of creativity of Lesja Ukrainka - love the creativity of Lesja Ukrainka. there is in reality.
the consumer society - a group of people consuming any product to meet their needs. there is in reality.
ColonelJason wrote:
-When was the society of consumption (in the scoop, which was to consume nothing and nothing?)?
well, my e... I still agree with the definition of consumption?
then the society of consumption is only possible where there is not. sobsno, the consumption. even nothing comes to mind... well, except for bugs, worms and bacteria consume the former people can be in a cemetery?
scoop the sesesere was exactly the same consumer society as in the world. the only difference in volume, the possibilities and range of this consumption.
even the naked Papuans in Africa, as soon as you put yourself in the ass feather of a peacock for beauty, intimidation, dominance, increase the likelihood of future peritricha that latency (one word - to meet their needs) become members of a consumer society.
ColonelJason wrote:
-Is qualitatively different than people that are considered representative of the "consumer society" of the person as such not considered?
the fact that he is alive. that makes all the difference. the dead need no need.
ColonelJason wrote:
-What, in fact, the problems of the "consumer society" (if we come to the conclusion that this concept - not the simulacrum)?
weight problems. here is one of them.

and Yes, of course, not a simulacrum.ColonelJason you ate today?

requiemmm
requiemmm wrote:
The market economy produces a product that will break after garantiyku
Please tell us what specific product, which specific company you like that sum, and with such regularity that you extrapolate this phenomenon as much as the entire market economy, but still call it her essence. I just, for example, ten years to buy the flagships of Samsung (not every year, of course - I'm not obsessed with new gadgets, but once in 2-3 years), and somehow it never broke down, somewhere I have sgs2, and sgs4, and sgs6, and all work, although the warranty, as you know a long time has passed. Girls, and now his wife always bought the iPhone too, as they don't break. I honestly have never heard that a normal smartphone initially someone took it and broke after a year ( I have no doubt that this is possible, but this is clearly not a widespread trend). Moreover, I even bought during his life, many different techniques, now I think, and I understand that do not can remember that I have something very broken. At vidyuhi GeForce gtx580 , except that the chip from overheating went away. Three years later after purchase. So maybe you just something to buy? Or perhaps your judgment of breaking gadgets simply unreasonable? Your example about the old reliable stuff, unfortunately, is not very relevant here, as their durability is based primarily on primitive structures (it is obvious that the mechanics more than electronics). Vaughn stone Choppa from the lower Paleolithic period 1.5 million years, and nothing, feel great. I would not, on this basis, to record their contemporaries in the inspired intellectuals.
requiemmm wrote:
Throw them because I got tired, not because it was broken.
Throw them because they are shit.And had not been thrown out because the other was not. I remember this vacuum for Typhoon- rubbish full. Even though the Japanese have stolen.
requiemmm wrote:
what's your death going to change in the outside world? The brownie will be lonely:)
After the death of each someone will be lonely: relatives, friends, cat, worms...Accordingly, you cannot select from consumption on the basis of this characteristic, or it is impossible to separate the consumer society from normal society, as it is a sign of fair for all members of normal society. Can choose the option that you prefer.
requiemmm wrote:
Yes, perhaps it is far from ideal
It's not far from ideal, it actually has nothing to leave behind something in a public sense. With the same success it was possible to say that you will leave behind your body. Another corpse, no one will. Benefit from it mankind will not be less than from your home.
In General, quod erat demonstrandum:
ColonelJason wrote:
Unfortunately, it is impossible to achieve from these comrades: what is this "consumer society" and on what basis they oppose him.
Dogma
Dogma wrote:
If anything, the fight club is not about the consumer society is never, and about the fatherless
They say the work can be laid one more thought.

vftor
Your world allows to draw conclusions about some of your mental qualities, but it absolutely does not shed light on the question, on what basis do you separate yourself from the soulless representatives of the consumption. Apparently, on the merits, you have nothing to say.

ColonelJason wrote:
Unfortunately, it is impossible to achieve from these comrades: what is this "consumer society" and on what basis they oppose him.

Hello
Hello wrote:
the fact that he is alive. that makes all the difference. the dead need no need.
Here I beg to differ. In my opinion, the fact of death instead preserves all status characteristics of the person, not nullifies them. And if you think that a dead rocker is not a rocker anymore. Then who did? Lived consumer, and the worms will feed the consumer.
And about the societies you have amphibolia. Not all the public that alcoholics anonymous.

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
on what basis do you separate yourself from the soulless representatives of the consumption
Only on the grounds that they are soulless, the animal world. Any mentally normal person separates himself from the animals.

ColonelJason
They say the work can be laid one more thought.

Do not argue, but people perceive the film mistakenly thinking that it is about the consumer society, it is the external screen. Any developed society will always be a consumer society by default, and there's nothing wrong there. Normally enjoy the benefits of civilization. Another thing is that the benefits of civilization can give to the person satisfaction from life.

If interested I advise you to watch the video:

vftor wrote:
Only on the grounds that they are soulless,
And what is objectively manifest your spirituality?
vftor wrote:
Any mentally normal person separates himself from the animals.
I'll tell you more: any mentally normal person separates themselves from all objects, which it is not.

Dogma
Dogma wrote:
Do not argue, but people perceive the film wrongly
I , in General, about the book. But that works not all understood, I said in the header post.
Dogma wrote:
Any developed society will always be a consumer society by default, and there's nothing wrong there. Normally enjoy the benefits of civilization.
Yes, that's what I said.
Dogma wrote:
Another thing is that the benefits of civilization can give to the person satisfaction from life.
A very controversial statement. Kings it is, of course, always lived well, but it is doubtful that a medieval peasant was satisfied to the same extent that the current commoners enjoying the benefits of civilization. For example, it increases the satisfaction from life, the fact that 8 out of 10 of your children died from bloody diarrhea before year, for which, obviously, should thank the blessings of civilization.

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
And what is objectively manifest your spirituality?
Morality, in its understanding and adherence.

ColonelJason wrote:
I'll tell you more: any mentally normal person separates themselves from all objects, which it is not.
And I'll tell you more: if he separates himself altogether from all objects, it is at least a villain, and at best mentally deranged. Level measures are the main laws of the psyche.

vftor
vftor wrote:
Morality, in its understanding and adherence.
And this morality, it is what exactly manifested? Can any direct experiences? At the moment we know about you only that a huge amount of strangers you call a soulless animals, not being, thus, able to clearly substantiate this statement . It is also a manifestation of your morals or are you here to compromise with you gone?
vftor wrote:
Level measures are the main laws of the psyche.
Oh,you're also interested in psychology?How cool.But this Maxim,about the main law of the psyche(C) you whose work you have read? Adler?Erickson? For the life of me, I do not recognize the master's hand. But it is clear that the utterance belongs to giant mental of science.
antonrogov
antonrogov wrote:
Same here!
Ah, another interesting opinion. I understand you correctly that to be able to earn on good things and to please their loved ones, it is a sign of human consumerism? You have, as I understand it, life is a bit different?

ColonelJason
No, as always you are not able to understand anything, if it differs from your point of view.

ColonelJason
If you do not understand, and wait for the prompts or want to argue, then I will not answer. Learn from life, learn science, and not only official, meditate, explore yourself and others. Generally develop their own, and then everything will learn. And if not, then is your fate and destiny.