The final game (Quantum Break)
Judging by the finale is not the end of the game. Have to wait for the sequel....denisyfrolov
Tell me if you understand the following how many times Beth has been in the past,identity is clearly not a one time thing. in 2016 she deliberately flew over the counterbalance ..so been there before ,when told about the crash and wil started doing and have done over 11 years
Couldn't Paul see her in a suit against hovering in the end time if the counterweight is still there ,and only with his help was able to come up with the miracle of gadgets based on it +after the first Floor move the others too what worked well?!Paul entered the time machine was gone there was a fault .and all continued to live my life..went home ?
Justin003
Once. When she and Jack first arrive at the Pool, they see a video diary of Willem addressed to Beth, where he says that the Counterweight is missing. Beth herself is surprised that she Wilem addresses this record, because she was with him, still was not familiar and never seen him. All she knows is what I wrote myself 8 years. They needed a Counterweight to stop the Rift and they want to go in the time preceding the disappearance of the Counterweight to Willem they gave him before he disappeared. That was the plan, although Beth and realized that they did not come out, because otherwise I would write there was no. However, they go for Emeral and forced her to fix the Car. But Emeral is cunning and sends Beth far in the future, which already happened the End of time, where she meets Sirena. Sayrin in turn locates the Car somewhere and leave previously stole from the same Pool, her 17 years in 2016-m to year, when he was old. So Beth and Sayrin from the future sent to 1999, where Sayrin begins to build the Monarch, and Beth asks Willem to create a Counterweight to give it to Jack, who will go after her, but in the year 2010. So after Jack goes Beth in 2010 (i.e. just after 11 years), he meets her already aged for 11 years, although in the Car she stopped for a moment before he is still young. Events that occur in Epicentre and lead to the fact that William leaves the same record, addressed to Beth, which later and starts a whole chain of events, where Beth eventually asks him to Counterbalance. All this leads to the events in the Epicenter and the creation of the Monarch. It is a closed loop that cannot be broken. Beth went over to the Counterweight, not knowing anything about him, but in the end it was she who was the cause of its creation. Without Beth there would be no Counterbalance to the Monarch.
Justin003
You just assume that all these events had a common root, different from what we see in the history, which happened once before start closed chain of events. But here's the problem.
Suppose you go back in time and ask to create a counterweight as in the future all broken and needed fixing. Opposed to create and convey to you, you eliminate the fault and all is well. But in this case you in the future don't have to go back in time and ask you to make a counterweight, after all, and so well. Where, then, will the counterweight that will do everything well and will save you from having to go into the past for him. This is a classic example of the violation of the principle of causality, also known as the paradox of time Travel. And given what we know now about the structure of time and space, and the game is still aiming for a scientifically credible, we know that such a paradox to occur could not and can not in principle. As future, past and present exist in space-time simultaneously has always existed unchanged since the Big Bang.
However, despite the scientific substantiation of the impossibility of the paradox, our logic doesn't understand - why not to do it, why can't we just go back in time and something to change there. What happens with Jack, because he was not dedicated in the scientific research of William and therefore do not understand why you can't just go back in time and stop Sirino to run the time Machine to prevent a break, to save Beth and so on. Actually for this problem, and there is the same the Principle of consistency of Novikov, which not once mentions William. In order to explain a paradox that does not violate the principle of causality, Novikov establishes the existence of closed time loops where cause and effect are closed and shuffled in time. That is, all of these events have always existed, there were no other, never, under any conditions. Just because of offsets in time, chronologically mixed up cause and effect and they locked each other, so that this integrity is preserved, so that no one could interrupt that chain. This is called Samosoglasovannogo, time and space themselves are organized in a complex and closed structure in order to maintain the integrity and minimize the conditional work. That is the reason to create a Counterweight to happen far in the future after 17 years, but established it will be right now, because there will arrive people from 2016 and will ask about it. But for a person to be in 2016 went back for a counterweight, the counterweight should disappear somewhere between 2010 and 2016, to the same man went back in time in search of him and in the end, not knowing about anything, he was the cause of the counterbalance. Here is a textbook paradox, which Novikov Principle and solves.
This is the main batch, which will be revealed in the second part, when Jack apparently will try to get into this self-consistent loop and interrupt it. He will try to save Beth, what causes the paradox (by the way, exactly talked about this Doc in Back to the future), which will lead to the already incorrigible to the End of time which saw Beth and Sayrin in 2021. Apparently with his abilities he is in some form will be possible, despite the fact that everyone around him saying it's impossible.
And if all this first to understand, then it will be not difficult to understand how Beth appeared suit against freezes. She got to the End of time to the young Sirinu of the Monarch, which is already 17 years old taxied Sayrin, which since 1999 have lived in parallel with his young version. That is, with Sirenum, which are selected from the End time with it since 1999, will build the Monarch, and in 2010 you will find the counterweight and uses it to create those costumes that he saw Beth at the End of time. She was already familiar with the old by Sirinam, it worked for him.. but once in the End time, seen that Sirena, who still knew nothing about the Faults, Costumes and Balances. In fact, she saw it was the beginning of all the events in which she has managed to participate, but at the same time realized that she was in some degree the cause of all those events that have already participated..
Immediately after the disappearance of a young Paul Sirina began shooting and commotion, which gave the Monarch to take the core of the time Machine. All was not to search the Floor in the first minute, and then the events and did a 180. What happened globally after the young Sayrin gone - we learn in the sequel, because all events in 2016 of the first part of the game is limited to one day - October 9, all the action takes place in 24 hours because after 24 hours since the disappearance of Sex Sirina, as all thought, was supposed to happen the End of time that Jack was trying to prevent. Then it became clear that no End on 9 October 2016 and did not happen, but the events of the first game ended.
denisyfrolov
All the super painted,then cleared up ,but as you correctly understood where it had all started..because young Sayrin when first entering the time machine did not work on the monarchy, he wrote that if prekratite funding the scientists will go to the monarch who pays more and second:I understand that if the type change is all in the past ..to take the counterweight and fix the fault all goes to the other script and will break the chain of events that in the past to fly should not be changed because all is well,but according to the theory of the game, all that will happen should in any case ..who should die and etc,but you're right again where it had started, then will repeat according to my theory Beth was in the past told Wil about the rift ..well, for example: after the first 2016 nursing Sirina in a time machine( what we see in the beginning of the game) Bet gg and his brother saw the whole thing..somehow get together (HS and will both close at the moment and Beth is at the time of the withdrawal of people from the collapsing building ) will confess and reports on his time machine in the pool and they go in there..something goes wrong ..whatever ...thunderstorms...and Beth uletaet in the end of time ...meets Sirena ...and then everything on the game..as you can see..then the chain is created and it will be repeated ..here are my thoughts..if you think brad will not be offended.
Justin003
as you correctly understood where it had all started..because young Sayrin when first entering the time machine did not work on the monarchy, he wrote that if prekratite funding the scientists will go to the monarch who pays more
no no no, just the opposite.. no where it started, there was never peace without a Monarch, or the Monarch, who ruled not Gender Sayrin. Always had a Monarch and always drove old Sayrin. A young Sayrin always lived in parallel with the old and didn't know about it, he always saw the Monarch, and knew that they were doing research Hromonov and also razrabatyvat a time Machine. This is what prompted him to speed up the experiment and prevent the withdrawal of investors to the Monarch. He just didn't understand what is the acceleration of the experiment and start the chain of events that will lead him to the creation of the Monarch, which caused him to speed up the experiment. It's all a closed loop, the principle of consistency of Novikov. No other event here has never been and never could be, otherwise there would be no loop, the Monarch would not have appeared, or Beth would not work in it and Sayrin would not get the idea of the vests and the Counterweight. The game is filled with these loops, and everything that happens could happen if even one of these loops was torn.
according to the theory of the game, all that will happen should in any case ..who needs to die
Not really, the game implies that nothing change at all.. not even a trifle. And all attempts to do so lead exactly to that result, which prompted the attempt to change the past. For example, Paul and Jack young in 1999, he saw in the street a dead man, later Sayrin from the future falls in 1999 and trying to prevent the death of this old man, but his attempt he frightens the old man, he falls and dies.. and that's what you see young Jack and Paul in 1999. That is Sayrin not have prevented the death of the old Man, and he caused it. And it was these events and saw young Jack and Paul in 1999. It is also self-consistent Novikov loop.
you are right again where we had started, then will repeat according to my theory Beth was in the past told Wil about the rift ..well, for example: after the first 2016 nursing Sirina in a time machine( what we see in the beginning of the game) Bet gg and his brother saw the whole thing..somehow get together (HS and will both close at that moment ,and Beth at the time of the withdrawal of people from the collapsing building ) Wil confesses and tells about his time machine in the pool and they go in there..something goes wrong ..whatever ...thunderstorms...and Beth uletaet in the end of time ...meets Sirena ...and then everything on the game..as you can see..then the chain is created and it will be repeated ..here are my thoughts..if you think brad will not be offended
No no, this is a violation of the principle of causality and paradox that can not be, under any circumstances. It is with this paradox is struggling with his self-consistent Novikov loops. All these events have never been the beginning and the end, there was no event that preceded the appearance of these loops. These loops have existed from the beginning by themselves, it's a defense mechanism of space-time against paradoxes. Time is linear and everything in the game understand this and for this reason all say that nothing can be changed.. if there were some other events that run loop - it is no problem to change the past and start a new loop should not be. But the problem is, none of the time travelers in igren managed to change even the smallest details, all their attempts to change something in the end and run the same loop, which eventually led them to trying to change something. The loops are no points of entry and exit, it's like a snake eating its tail.. every effect inside the loop leads to the cause of this loop. And nothing outside this loop could never and can not affect the course of events in the loop. They are completely self-contained and self-consistent.
I think that the reason for the end of time in 2021 will hatch their own ideas about their ideal world. I understand this is the world in hovering where gazoviki the tea is drunk and enjoy the stability and stupidity of humans(or whatever hatch before killing him crucified).
In General too little information. This whole game is reminiscent of the 1st season of the series on the channel SyFy. It ends kind of good, but feels a fierce zvizdets.
This whole game is reminiscent of the 1st season of the series on the channel SyFy. It ends kind of good, but feels a fierce zvizdets
It is)
Com_Bat
You try to duck during ejection throw on a shield! And while he was in the shield he threw Samegrelo and tygacil there a gun!))
denisyfrolov
You are correctly and clearly explained, I completely agree with everything you said and made the same conclusions, in fact, everything is simple if you pay attention to every detail during the passage, but you missed one and so for me the most important thing, that's why the hatch was so afraid of Sex, why sex had the possibility of choosing between events,why Jack in the end gained the same ability, it means that this disease allows you to change the time line, because time does not exist even the slightest of variables, and then from the actions of a Floor depends on several weighty enough lives that can impact on future developments, so the hatch was so afraid Sirina, because he was able to fix it, but convinced myself that everything is predetermined and even made up a plan of events so as not to break the chain, his mind and body consumed the time, this is explained in the descriptions of the dreams of the Floor, it tries to crush him, to convince that change anything
And people are completely absorbed by the time become gazovikami, but they should be promoaction. Hatch is like and have the time of his hand, which it tries to start the end time, so no one else could change its line as it was before the advent of time machines, this is a perfect world of harmony and order said hatch. Therefore, gazoviki destroy everything that moves in the zero state. But this is purely my guess, because of gaps in the story enough, each to their fills as he wants, even the writers have certainly not determined
And Paul in my opinion is still alive, just displaced in time, as did Jack when the first activation of the counterweight, the question is at what time
Speaking schematically, that all attempts to change the past has already happened in the past. And we, wanting to change something, their actions only make the chain.
By the way, I noticed that in the beginning of the discussion drew attention to the point that, at first, Jake says nothing frozen Beth, and in the end whispers I will save you. There is nothing special in the beginning was nothing knowing Jake, and in the end - it was already returned from the future Jake. The scene is not the same, it happens a little later.
Nik.wanderer
I also think that with the possibility of choice is not so easy, because already the first choice in the game affects a huge number of lives and one particular in particular. If time was so linear as we are led throughout the game then Sirena and choice would be no, but in the beginning Sayrin said that it often happens when you have to make a choice. An illness can be a payment for the opportunity to influence the time line.
Nik.wanderer
It all sounds quite logical, but it seems to me that this whole choice is nothing other than an attempt to show the futility of trying to change anything. This is playing a trick, the answer to the question what if?. But in reality all the plot changes that you make - make one completely linear story. That is, you actually do not choose, it's just such a mechanic that allows the Floor to look far into the future. If you were to change something, if it were that simple, then there would be all this story hinges. Although the hatch really seems sometimes afraid that the Floor will descend from the beaten track. On the other hand, the hatch can be in the same hostage situation, that is, he seems to not want to be present in all these events, but he knows.. that he was there and he has to help Paul.
Nik.wanderer
In the book, there is something on this topic. Generally Gazoviki in their natural state are in pain when you are inside a rich chromonema environment. They can only exist in their free hromonov environment, all sources hromonov (i.e. chernoochene) even hangs inside cause them to experience pain, so they immediately try to eliminate the source of pain. Tasovice is a Supreme being, something like the future of humanity. I would not say that they - this time, they are the evolution of life, which fills a niche in space without time.
Nik.wanderer
In his condition after the events of the finale already there is no concept - to travel through time. This too is in the book, he becomes a full-fledged gazovikam, and in this state he did not need to physically travel in time.. he sees time not as a linear sequence of events but as a single lump of all that was, is and could be. In the book the hatch, being physically in 2021 quite easily interacts with Jack 2016м, so that the Floor can actually become the force that leveled the odds in the fight against Hatch.