PVP LADDER (Diablo 2)
1. First of all who wants to participate writes in PM on the forum his accounts with pvp characters that he is going to get fair pvp, indicating their buildup. Approx.: *akk1; nickname; bone necromancer (the table will be a corresponding reduction bnec).
2. After such registration, these players have the data will fall in the ladder list in the following form:
3. Duels are Softcore Expansion.
4. All participants will have zero wr,% against the other builds in the ladder until he can play a duel with them.
5. Index wr,% specific duel will be based on the number of unique meetings. This means, if player 1 played against player 2 build at least 1000 times, but it is not played against the same builds in the ladder as the player 2, the resulting wr,% this duel will be averaged with the others have not played to avoid calculating the rating, only one frags. Thus, a particular duel in equal measure will affect the calculation of wr,%.
6. To play runes or other in-game values — driven players. To publish data of players in the leaderboard need mutual consent of both parties before the duel and the inclusion of the moderator fair pvp. This is in order to rule out fan duel from games on rating.
7. In order to avoid the so-called vifromline on nubah, that is, when one player intentionally gives in to others, it is proposed to introduce the lower threshold total win rate (twr,%), below which if the first is to get (less than 2% for example), then duel with him the other members of the ladder will just be deducted and not to influence their wr% and such a player will remain statistics of played duels. The lower threshold of the twr is set by the moderator of the ladder.
8. All data of played duels sent by the moderator, fair moderator of the pvp ladder, and in turn, the moderator of the ladder publishes it.
v.1.2:
9. Because non-ladder characters to intersect with the ladder can't in some games and for some players, time consuming and there is no desire to gather again the characters for pvp, there is a proposal to conduct parallel 2 League: landernau and non-ladder. If reset PvM-the ladder, the ladder characters from League just moved to non-ledgernew taking into account all dialed frags, but counted afresh indicators wr%, taking into account the existing players accounts in a non-ladder League.
10. Expressed the idea of automation of conducting very difficult and costly to implement, and the result of the neglect by the administration intervention in the subject of this topic, her need only the attraction of the moderators fair games.
Add v.1.3
This will certainly be useful to know players interested in how this will work in General, including, and materiel to this idea. Let us examine some of the controversial issues:
11. Mirrorwriting
For example, in the ladder created 4 players who have coldsore (csor) with nicknames in the table below. The first number is the number of won duels against the player in the column, the second - total number of played duels against him.
Buildup one, respectively, as it will be considered, you ask? Very simply, it will be calculated taking into account the arithmetic mean, for example, we count on the wr coldsore against coldsores player cold_one:
wr% cold_one (vs csor) = ((5/11)+(7/21)+(4/7))/3*100% = 45,31%
Can see that the number of duels is not the deciding factor in counting, play at least 1000 times against one player of the same build will not give special advantages. Therefore, to set the overall rating, as mentioned, you need to play a lot of different duels.
12. Inactivity/deliberate draining of the rating
Suppose again that the player cold_four zaregalsya to the ladder, but didn't play any duel. The accumulation of all data of played duels all players zeros that player will be considered, and, therefore, slightly reduce the overall ratings of the other players. But due to the fact that the ladder will be updated periodically, this player will not be removed from the ladder, and just be paused, that is, in the future nick will be grayed out, i.e. marked as inactive and zeros on the calculation of rating other players temporarily will not affect. The player can remedy this situation, playing a duel against every other player in the ladder and in the future he will be able to fully participate in the rating.
Let us examine the situation where a player deliberately gives in to others, to increase the rating of the others. In this case, if it will be observed, given the fact that it will have too low rating (close to zero), it will also be paused, but a different color. The player can remedy this situation, but he will need to play a greater number of duels to get a plus. As you can see, doing this the player will be very inconsistent if he pleases again to climb the stairs of the ladder your character (this will be difficult).
13. Counting the total (TWR%) winrate
This figure is based on previous winrate xx,xx% against every build and will also be averaged. TWR% will be equal to the sum of all wr% (the table is xx,xx%) divided by the number of different delay, which will determine the players that fill the ladder. If you don't count the mirror of the duel, then the denominator is subtracted 1 when calculating.
14. The solution to the problem with a passive game
Then either leave as is, either of the following:
Solarpoolheater duel remains a classic - 5 minutes on 1 fighting game. No arrestov and other locations to replay. If a duel lasts more than 5 minutes, it can peregrevaetsya 1 time in the same location and if it is not known the result of the duel, then pasewada side on the decision of the moderator shall count or loss or such a duel will simply not be taken into account. Thus, both parties will be interested in timing the end of the duel.
but as a second paragraph to realize the full.. So both players were interested in winning?
it's okay if one is not, normal matanic able to account for such effects
but the effect of that one man is constantly chopped with all the tops, and the other among the tops picks only a few, where he anticar, to take into account is problematic. On the same opponents indicators winrate will be more of pharmocracy-autistic, other things being equal
in short, we need kakayato prinudna love
type VAS, if you're online, you go out, you petcom have not fought, he had your necro his Sorka by serv is looking for harosh some smitheman drive. Otherwise, drain prescribe.
Not but what else? You can OFC make a stupid ladder in frags, and will steer firk, chasing noobs bow with Sorka's tomb. Only to sense from it? It is necessary that the real power shown, but not the ability to Dodge duels with antichrome under the pretext that my mom sent.
bd_sm[TDPG]
You have found method of implementation: some of this ladder makes sense to keep only the results table pvp tournaments with the bet.
Just regular tournaments, statistics is like HS. If TSU really need this pvp ladder, then it takes care of. What about me, I would have helped him to sue the duel, provided that typed more than 10 people and he himself can not cope with the refereeing. But to take weekly tournaments themselves, I certainly did not intend. So, greenstyle, ask moderku, do tournaments, lead the statistics, but the top players... or just forget it.
Moe imho, prost nado 4tob kto to regulyarno provodil turniri so stavkoi ot gul. I po resultatam etih tyrnirov to vesti kakoi s4et, dopustim pervoe mesto o4kov 10, second 9 i tak dalee. I prost vesti tabli4ku po resultatam pvp tournament wonder i tam budet vse taki dovolno prosto.
yamas
but as a second paragraph to realize the full.. So both players were interested in winning?
You can challenge only those who are above you in the rankings and if he loses, it will fall and you will rise up.
A victory over a guy who is below you in ranking does not affect your position, to rise in the rankings you need to duel with those who are Above. This will eliminate getting your rating through the duels with noname. And OFC if you are called to fight those who are below, you have no right to refuse.
But I don't know how to be here if you nakor, and you calling the esk one and then another and another.... and how to avoid a situation when Nucor will be taxed eskimi a few notches higher (stuck tipo!!!)
The idea of PVP Ladera is good, but very difficult to implement.
The idea is very good, long everything needs to change.But we need to find like-minded team with a leader at the head, and then neither moderki in principle, not necessary, nothing else.Just enthusiasm and a little time, allocate responsibilities, and periodically the leader to control them.And the rest when everything spun catch up anyway.You all know me well and know from where I came to P,so that on another server it's all been done, and everything works fine, every 2nd week the boys hold a pvp tournament, and chopped to cheer.Maybe there is no League, but the server knows his characters believe.Yes, there are awesome pvp system which made Enzel ,and which rezhit ABSA , the extra cuts and everything else, but the tournaments conducts modernization and monitors proper conduct thereof.Maybe he can have helpers,but then they Nada anyway ,there are a lot more people graze, but the tournaments here for the last leader was held already 3 times in 3years +for fun.Draw conclusions and gentlemen.....
kot-stargazer
but the tournaments here for the last leader was held already 3 times in 3years +for fun.
I'm only 5 participated, and as much again was that I was not involved. From where you just take your info?.. Although you know, you just have to shoot. Come on, then, potryndim.
There are from where you came tournaments because ppla no, and then all the admin happy. And then, there's the prize Fund certainly not from the pocket of modders or players comes and simply resuets. And who then will allocate the ked to the prize Fund, you chtoli? And if you pick up the prize Fund, who will carry out something? For example, I have nothing more to do than to kill every Saturday or Sunday to tournaments. Pira and finally got lost somewhere, maybe if once a week go to PG and that is good. And the more modders there to judge the duel no one else. Everything is just much to say that they would like to see, but when it comes to recover and organize, all altruists. I to you I would like to see a tournament of 200 SVS, remember? When your bretodeau said, they say well go do. What about you? said you were just offered his Mego innovative, the most awesome and fresh idea, someone in the thread who wants to do it. Well damn, even arsego it would be clear that the idea of this is quite ordinary, and something to spin it, none of the third parties would not undertake, because it is not interesting. Her could only you and no one else, but did you feel like doing nothing and see what happens. See?
What about the idea with the pvp ladder, it is normal and may be worth attention, but too gemorno to be left by someone.
T-Fox
come on potryndim means.
I will to reply if you don't mind.
there is a prize Fund certainly not from the pocket of modders or players comes and simply resuets. And who then will allocate the ked to the prize Fund, you chtoli?
Then you are wrong, the moderator just collects contributions in the form of runes, and since there are clans,his clan is quite often the sponsor of the useful runes and armor runes there is no problem here at all ,as there is lust-rush. Runs for 1-2 hours a couple of times it is possible to fill Gul or vex what they collect I don't remember.
who will carry out something? For example, I have nothing more to do,
I did somewhere said that this should do?Yes, and if you encounter such issues you can always dream about the post losing it to someone who wants to engage in, or enter another Madara -problem or what?Well you wrote out all correct Grinstayl,write Alero ask moderku.Honestly, do not understand the issue or claim, especially to me with your hand.But I figured, whatever.
Everything is just much to say that they would like to see, but when it comes to recover and organize, all altruists. I to you I would like to see a tournament of 200 SVS, remember?
Yes, I remember,and you're absolutely right.But all you're missing a very important detail,namely:
I'm not saying let's hold a tournament,I want to see.blah-blah-blah.and from the beginning clearly formulated topic title: Accept for consideration!!!later in the thread, I clearly outlined their attitude to this event, and accusations of either your or someone else's porosto lisheen sense, as I proposed to look at the idea and how to implement it, because in principle this is a forum,or am I wrong?When I answered I quote you: When your bretodeau said, they say well go do. What about you?
Her could only you and no one else, but did you feel like doing nothing and see what happens. See?
Yeah saw that, and even without a trace of modesty will respond,I wasn't that surprised.I even took to host the tournament,spent time, etc. etc. but such things are done for normal community on a normal forum,for normal people,not those who write first, the idea of gamna, the author of word of Sarki 200 FKR -whore, and I'm your house pipe shatal:))),and then after a couple of posts so can gash us tournament, and that we are evil skeletron, don't know what to do,you suggested,let's do it.
You so well know all these PG-shnye Mansa like me and you something else surprising about my attitude to all this?Ha-ha's,you yourself just wrote:for example, I have nothing more to do than to kill every Saturday or Sunday to tournaments
That's why I support the green,he is unlike many any the case offers,at least something prepared to discuss,but as you know things always start conversations and discussions upcoming.
come on potryndim means.
the intellectually loaded topic for a long time. but then came the cat and everything was back to normal. ;D
Only the we the system will be exactly the number of different duels and wins them, as each of all possible with other classes and builds will equally affect the overall wr.
And this we all fucking fuck.
well, so that there is Zadar who want otparit the first place, using documentary methods — avoidance of antichrome and duels with strong opponents and vikochka the best of the rest
Can offer to introduce a system of announcements with the support of the chat engine, which would have offered the participant of League duels with a number of opponents from those that are online and also gave recommendations about the time when he should enter the game to meet an opponent, which has not been beaten for some reason (avoidance, for example)
Also implemented in this engine mechanism a formal challenge to a duel, a systematic disregard of which would have consequences for the ranking. This we is a real hole, which can and necessarily will vytachivanija next persons.
If you have the support of the staff, such a script they'd be able to realize in a short time. You can do it all manually, but it is a fierce bitch.
as a variant to this question is just to score, and focus on more primary,namely the search of like-minded people ready to participate in the process, although the author can decide.
it will be a plus rating, however small, rather than just avoiding duels like everyone else, and we get zero.
you contradict yourself, but for a little more than one-step logic don't see
you're trying to make games with fundamentally zero-sum (being in the middle of the ladder is zero, the top plus on the bottom — strictly equal to minus) a game with supposedly zero-sum. Either it won't work, no matter how you wound layers of additional logic or a ladder will reflect anything but power. Sociability, for example (I played a duel with all antichrome). In other words, if a couple Vasya Petya, having played a number of duels, from the air byformat a medium gain rating, non-zero, then it is not a pvp ladder, and the rating Vkontakte.
you can see you don't even understand what I wrote ((
you can't give bonuses for a duel
you can't give bonuses
adequate the algorithm is ladder — only to shuffle points between the players, and not to charge them initcode
any ladders obtained by sorting points accrued snitched sucks (well, not any, but you're demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how to make normal)
well damn look. Are you doing [V]pechatnik. It's like Vkontakte, only litts PG. For your scheme will turn out that a group litts, prodavilsya ONLY WITHIN THEMSELVES, will be total points more than it was before they started to batter. That is, the group is farming your rating out of nowhere. That is, this group, being fully underneath a body with a ladder, risking all together to rise above it, just after a series of optimized games between each other. It's like how is it formed in accede based on the number of likes and reposts, not transitive relation between the parties.
Grin and MB idea not bad. MB PG not need jerk-off rating, based on strict more-less between the two players, and [In]Asya [At]the ladder based on the number of unique meetings. Thus, the top will not come out of the spinal rippers, and the stars open, constantly wanting new duel, all the famous Hotties.
greenstyle
well, that's nonsense, of course
the loser has to fall in the rankings, but not to stay Noynoy
although such a rating is understandable why eclipsing where you are going to copy
this is done in order to encourage players to play more
more, but not better
in this ranking is a significant component of the number of duels, not the quality
so, who played OCHENMNOGO will have a higher rating than who played better duel
in addition, such a man can naparnitsa on the number so that the father is the Ripper would be impossible to catch him without having a commensurate amount of duels
If you are not in smoke what about in the lead I have, I will merely restrict myself to the conclusion that it is not the Power ladder, and the ladder of the club of merry meetings.
There is such a thing: the Elo System
(in wow'e, for example, long ago she works for arena teams)
qwerty1999
this would be great as a million similar systems, don't be antikarov and related effects
greenstyle
Is it not clear that these pvp tournament are not suitable to justify the situation with a free ladder? In pvp tournaments for prinudni playing or not was gets zero, and appeared to win, or they both receive zero (conventionally, we shall not here bother with the expense between them). Do you want to make conditional among hundreds of participants of the ladder had the advantage of someone who, say, play with ALL the HUNDRED with a mediocre winrate of 80% with someone who will play with the best ten with a winrate of 100%?
>> look at screenshot a file with the calculations
I have one there is a blank document?
greenstyle
Well top ten just to win he will not give in the first place.
This is not an argument. This is the first.
Second, you did not answer my counter-example, and something that he invented. If you don't want to understand, at least in my last post — forget it.
Your doxa is really empty.
P. S. For those who in the tank: Pvp tournament — participants is small, you can play everything with everyone. Ladder parties a lot, all the others will never play, and if more the rating is from someone who has more time for new and unique duel (ceteris paribus), it does not ladder power, and Vkontakte.