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Stanislavich 27.10.19 02:21 pm

Katana is The worst choice of a primary weapon? (Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice)

Good evening.
In the game there is only one (it is basic) weapon - katana. In theory. weapons should be strong enough, but on the basis of use, except single damage and harana at Catan more and there was no advantage to solso.

I have a suspicion that if the developers have changed the primary weapon, for example, on a straight sword or curved sword, then the game would be much easier.

a little personal perception of the katana, on the basis of soltow: the weapon does not have spam CD between strikes is longer than Gsof (MKD 3-Ki sends warm greetings); the weapon does not have a high-quality series of strikes (Hello from the pair of axes of the 3-CI with their third hit); the weapon does not have a single high damage for no HP, no balance, and therefore has a weak stunlock effect.

As a result, a katana, even in Sciro didn't fix it. The main weapon of the Wolf - still, slow, non-spam, of medium length (this is not drying out 3) have little or no stopping effect. But opponents of Sakira not remained at the level of DS-2, and become as nimble as in BB, maybe even faster. And the GG - slow weapon with a weak steklokom.

I never katana in solusek didn't like (with the exception of twin Katanas in Nor-Oh), the same straight\curved swords have always been more enjoyable to use as it is much faster Katan, and the damage and stunlock have a similar effect (for 1 punch) but much better in spam series. And also, in terms of weapons, the same GSI often longer, have more single target damage and more damage to balance attack speed a little slower (except for some instances of 3-s), but each hit is much stronger than the Katan. And then there are spears and pikes, halberds, which in Sciro he went to a Bang (and by the same halberds to fend off the blows would be much more epic than a katana). And yet... and yet there is a great weapon if possible, select it in Sciro - would imboy fierce, as more than 90% of opponents would receive a full stunlock from power punches and all the big mobs would receive a full stunlock with two tychek.

Here you sit, thinking. But really, put the choice of weapons (though small selection) - then the game, like gameplay, drastic would have changed. Due to the long CD between attacks from the katana, almost always a second blow with the katana opponents in Sekira block (if they have the active capability of the unit, not the situation with sticking when Genichiro catches in your body for 9-10 attacks while trying to cast), and replace the sword for a curved sword - the same falchion or sabre - it is easy, almost always he had the time after the first shot put a second shot past the block of the enemy. But to replace GG katana on GS, you would be stupid to give crazy stanlake almost every big enemy, and the damage per hit would be much nicer. And if he replaced the katana on some sort of UGS, the charged attack instead of the lunge with a katana, guaranteed would drop any small mob, and large - Stanley. And give him a Big hammer, the Wolf, instead of fumbling with the focus, stupid hammered most of the enemies in the land, without giving them the opportunity to rise.

There's a lot to show and compare, but my IMHO by far the katana for Sakiro - not the most pleasant selection of weapons, since the game is too fast for Catan and too fat for a single damage with a katana.

And what weapons would like to try in Sciro you? I'd like to run with a Halberd, a UGS and a Great hammer. The Halberd - would show off stupidly give the poke to the approach of the enemy, and then circular, or charged - in the end the enemy is in the block and stupidly taking all the blows in the face\block. From Psow I would like to witness the humiliation of the charged power that attacks that fan blows. In the first case - throw back the enemy, and the second rubbing into the nearest wall. And the block did not help. From the Big hammers - Ah, the IMBA impedansa. Type Grandfather in the ground at KD to see how he istoshno trying to climb and catch myself re-serving Batons on the back.
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Zakkon13 27.10.19

Katana forever! Nah everything else, you are a shinobi or something?

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Angry Cat 27.10.19

On the katana the particular Allergy you do not have, but all agree that the first blow in the standard Comba quite slow and is not always convenient.
In General, I for the choice of several types of weapons for greater variability and diversity of gameplay. There is no contradiction in the fact that shinobi will take a different type of weapon, not even the samurai with no hitting fought. Make Fromy at least the axe with a spear full, it would be more interesting.

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Stanislavich 27.10.19

Good evening.
In the game there is only one (it is basic) weapon - katana. In theory. weapons should be strong enough, but on the basis of use, except single damage and harana at Catan more and there was no advantage to solso.

I have a suspicion that if the developers have changed the primary weapon, for example, on a straight sword or curved sword, then the game would be much easier.

a little personal perception of the katana, on the basis of soltow: the weapon does not have spam CD between strikes is longer than Gsof (MKD 3-Ki sends warm greetings); the weapon does not have a high-quality series of strikes (Hello from the pair of axes of the 3-CI with their third hit); the weapon does not have a single high damage for no HP, no balance, and therefore has a weak stunlock effect.

As a result, a katana, even in Sciro didn't fix it. The main weapon of the Wolf - still, slow, non-spam, of medium length (this is not drying out 3) have little or no stopping effect. But opponents of Sakira not remained at the level of DS-2, and become as nimble as in BB, maybe even faster. And the GG - slow weapon with a weak steklokom.

I never katana in solusek didn't like (with the exception of twin Katanas in Nor-Oh), the same straight\curved swords have always been more enjoyable to use as it is much faster Katan, and the damage and stunlock have a similar effect (for 1 punch) but much better in spam series. And also, in terms of weapons, the same GSI often longer, have more single target damage and more damage to balance attack speed a little slower (except for some instances of 3-s), but each hit is much stronger than the Katan. And then there are spears and pikes, halberds, which in Sciro he went to a Bang (and by the same halberds to fend off the blows would be much more epic than a katana). And yet... and yet there is a great weapon if possible, select it in Sciro - would imboy fierce, as more than 90% of opponents would receive a full stunlock from power punches and all the big mobs would receive a full stunlock with two tychek.

Here you sit, thinking. But really, put the choice of weapons (though small selection) - then the game, like gameplay, drastic would have changed. Due to the long CD between attacks from the katana, almost always a second blow with the katana opponents in Sekira block (if they have the active capability of the unit, not the situation with sticking when Genichiro catches in your body for 9-10 attacks while trying to cast), and replace the sword for a curved sword - the same falchion or sabre - it is easy, almost always he had the time after the first shot put a second shot past the block of the enemy. But to replace GG katana on GS, you would be stupid to give crazy stanlake almost every big enemy, and the damage per hit would be much nicer. And if he replaced the katana on some sort of UGS, the charged attack instead of the lunge with a katana, guaranteed would drop any small mob, and large - Stanley. And give him a Big hammer, the Wolf, instead of fumbling with the focus, stupid hammered most of the enemies in the land, without giving them the opportunity to rise.

There's a lot to show and compare, but my IMHO by far the katana for Sakiro - not the most pleasant selection of weapons, since the game is too fast for Catan and too fat for a single damage with a katana.

And what weapons would like to try in Sciro you? I'd like to run with a Halberd, a UGS and a Great hammer. The Halberd - would show off stupidly give the poke to the approach of the enemy, and then circular, or charged - in the end the enemy is in the block and stupidly taking all the blows in the face\block. From Psow I would like to witness the humiliation of the charged power that attacks that fan blows. In the first case - throw back the enemy, and the second rubbing into the nearest wall. And the block did not help. From the Big hammers - Ah, the IMBA impedansa. Type Grandfather in the ground at KD to see how he istoshno trying to climb and catch myself re-serving Batons on the back.

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Ded MastDay 27.10.19

Stanislavich
This is not Dark Souls. Katana - a great murderous and fast weapons. Wolf knight-Jock in armor to swing a UGS-AMI, a shinobi that uses the opponent's force against it. In the second passage, a butterfly killed over 1.5 minutes on the first try. In the second phase to the moment as soon as she called the spirits, she was already dead). Genichiro - 4 minutes, with the second try. With the proper understanding of mechanics, does not need to pick bosses for half an hour, dealing one hit the window, cutting them HP for half of a millimeter per minute. You can easily endure the entire concentration of the enemy in just a couple of good counter-attacks.

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Zakkon13 27.10.19

Katana forever! Nah everything else, you are a shinobi or something?

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urist666 27.10.19

Yes, indeed! Who ever thought in the game about medieval Japan to give the hero a sword(!!!)? Doesn't make any sense. Halberd would be better suited for action.

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sandman.90 27.10.19

A murderer and a saboteur armed with a giant hammer...
It would be interesting to see how he Elda behind enters the Fort.

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Angry Cat 27.10.19

On the katana the particular Allergy you do not have, but all agree that the first blow in the standard Comba quite slow and is not always convenient.
In General, I for the choice of several types of weapons for greater variability and diversity of gameplay. There is no contradiction in the fact that shinobi will take a different type of weapon, not even the samurai with no hitting fought. Make Fromy at least the axe with a spear full, it would be more interesting.

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Stanislavich 27.10.19

sandman.90
And armed with a katana is better? Murderers and saboteurs largely armed with short swords, but not as long, such as a katana.

But for a Giant club and hide it is possible, at least some stealth.

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Ded MastDay 27.10.19

Stanislavich
This is not Dark Souls. Katana - a great murderous and fast weapons. Wolf knight-Jock in armor to swing a UGS-AMI, a shinobi that uses the opponent's force against it. In the second passage, a butterfly killed over 1.5 minutes on the first try. In the second phase to the moment as soon as she called the spirits, she was already dead). Genichiro - 4 minutes, with the second try. With the proper understanding of mechanics, does not need to pick bosses for half an hour, dealing one hit the window, cutting them HP for half of a millimeter per minute. You can easily endure the entire concentration of the enemy in just a couple of good counter-attacks.

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Stanislavich 27.10.19

Grandfather Mastday
Well, nooo, not at all. She's not murderous. in the game has another mechanic where you don't apply damage to the enemy. But to parry away a long curved sword so it is possible, but it is faster and more dynamic. and that means more opportunity for their own attack, and not, as it turns out in Sciro. when under normal circumstances, minibossom gives you the opportunity to only 2 strike, and third strike, for some reason. GG often makes with side turn, fully open to enemy attack.

Oh and don't forget. what is the effect of parrying in the same UGS is much better and also parry with a Lance\Lance\a Halberd is much better than a katana.

Replace the sword for a Halberd\Spear, the same bosses times would be much faster as parry\block as the effectiveness of blows from Spears\Halberds significantly higher than that of the katana.

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urist666 27.10.19

Yes, indeed! Who ever thought in the game about medieval Japan to give the hero a sword(!!!)? Doesn't make any sense. Halberd would be better suited for action.

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sandman.90 27.10.19

A murderer and a saboteur armed with a giant hammer...
It would be interesting to see how he Elda behind enters the Fort.

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Stanislavich 27.10.19

By the way, does Wikipedia says that Shinobi blah... did not use katana. Their main weapon - Nindzyato - short blade, often a common samurai katana shortened, as a full-fledged katana was of little use for the Shinobi. And, on the basis of alleged history, Shinobi almost did not oppose the Samurai head-on, as was much weaker equipped and trained for other purposes.

In the game, more presented not Shinobi, and Samurai-the Hermit, or ronin.

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Stanislavich 27.10.19

sandman.90
And armed with a katana is better? Murderers and saboteurs largely armed with short swords, but not as long, such as a katana.

But for a Giant club and hide it is possible, at least some stealth.

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Nevoeiro 27.10.19

Grandfather Mastday wrote:
In the second passage, a butterfly killed over 1.5 minutes on the first try. In the second phase to the moment as soon as she called the spirits, she was already dead)
That is, in phase 1 still had a long finish.Good video would this skill look.

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Ded MastDay 27.10.19

Nevoeiro
Yes, no dexterity, could be faster, just I pictures.
Estrachala a video of the fight 1:33

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NightHawkreal 27.10.19

Im just too lazy to do the builds.

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Stanislavich 27.10.19

Grandfather Mastday
Well, nooo, not at all. She's not murderous. in the game has another mechanic where you don't apply damage to the enemy. But to parry away a long curved sword so it is possible, but it is faster and more dynamic. and that means more opportunity for their own attack, and not, as it turns out in Sciro. when under normal circumstances, minibossom gives you the opportunity to only 2 strike, and third strike, for some reason. GG often makes with side turn, fully open to enemy attack.

Oh and don't forget. what is the effect of parrying in the same UGS is much better and also parry with a Lance\Lance\a Halberd is much better than a katana.

Replace the sword for a Halberd\Spear, the same bosses times would be much faster as parry\block as the effectiveness of blows from Spears\Halberds significantly higher than that of the katana.

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Nevoeiro 27.10.19

Grandfather Mastday
Well, you give 7 vials, band life ,and even attack power pumped.
I thought from scratch.