Let's talk about medicine? (USSR, RF, Ukraine, ...)

http://altapress.ru/story/65966/gallery/item/3/
"Both Vladimir Vladimirovich and Tatyana Alekseevna told us all the good things about our achievements. Indeed, so much is being opened, so much is being introduced, so much is being built. Only a blind person does not see this or an angry person. "

hello to the Radzekhuvskiy cat from Dr. Roshal :)

"... we began to speak loudly to both the presidential administration and the government about the need to raise the share of healthcare in the gross domestic product from the shameful 3.5% to 6. And we are not talking about 8-10-15 % as in other countries "

In other countries, there is no Soviet power, but they spend more on medicine than in the Russian Federation. So the moaning about "ah, it was better under the USSR, medicine was free" I think is stupid. Because I doubt that free medical services are worse now than they were twenty years ago. By the way, for all sorts of "cats" I inform you that in the USSR, pharmacies sold drugs for money. And then, just like now, when he came to a patient with a cold, the district doctor prescribed aspirin, which had to be bought for money at the pharmacy.
I found http://www.agropressa.ru/index.php?page=view&r=3&s=0&n=493
"Financing of the health care system in the USSR began to decline noticeably since the 70s of the twentieth century, and by the end of the 1980s, the decline was almost 40%. Evgeny Chazov:" The most depressing thing is that the contribution to the health of the people of capitalist society is much higher than our socialist, - I wrote a note to Gorbachev for the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU at the dawn of perestroika. - This is evident from the share of GNP (gross national product; its indicators differ with GDP indicators within one percent. - LB): USSR - 3.2 % "

The Soviets do not understand free medicine, as in other democratic countries, and they constantly whine about the Soviets' squalor.
Regards, Nihiliant.

stalker7162534
Because I doubt that free medical services are worse now than they were twenty years ago.
You doubt it in vain. Why? On the following points:
1. The salary and status of a doctor in the USSR were much higher than those of the same now.
2. Medicines were paid, but affordable for almost everyone. Yes, some were difficult to get, but even expensive and imported ones were always given to patients in really urgent cases, if there are any in the country at all.
3. The level of training of doctors was then much higher in view of the long and compulsory practices and the absence of "commercial" universities with not understand what training.
4. Responsibility for their mistakes and the quality of work of doctors was much higher, because commissions from the city committee / regional committee is extremely dangerous and difficult to hang noodles about "we have completed all the necessary procedures."
5. The saturation of young personnel was much greater and more even throughout the country, due to compulsory labor at the place of distribution. Likewise, doctors gained experience faster and more varied.
6. Investments in medicine were orders of magnitude greater than now.
7. There was practically no such thing as a charlatan doctor or counterfeit medicine.

I know one girl (is the hint clear?) ... who, well, was completely stupid, stupid (and is still the same) (I very rarely say this word, I say it means there is already a diagnosis) .. and on you, for the grandmother now studying to be a surgeon .. her dad said that she wanted to treat .. oh stalker ...

The level of training of doctors was then much higher in view of the long and compulsory practices and the absence of "commercial" universities with not understand what kind of training.
I strongly disagree. All students undergo internship, moreover, many months, later - internship. The level of training is excellent. The problem now is different - not everyone is conscientiously fulfilling their duties. All this is happening under the pretext "I don't want to, I won't, I'm embarrassed." Before, laziness wasn't so sticky, I guess. I didn’t have a chance to live, study and work in the USSR, so I have to judge only by stories and comparisons "before" and "after", plus my experience.
Who wants to, he learns. The level of training is the same as in the scoop. But for some reason damn desires are different.

Ankh 8
1. I will not argue.
2. Some were inaccessible to mere mortals in the USSR. "Always issued" - this is blah blah ignorant.
3. Blah blah.
4. All the same blah blah dilettante.
5. All the same blah blah.
6. Demonstration of stupidity. For the figure has already been given at 3.2%.
7. Oh, this boyan - everything was better in the USSR.

What can I say. Continue to be silly. This is already familiar to you.

Again blah blah blah Stalker.

Let's go back to what the specialist said. To Roshal's speech.
http://altapress.ru/story/65966/gallery/item/3/ for
now I will propose the moment where Roshal talks about "cutting" funds by thieving officials.

"94-FZ brought us a lot of harm. Now it is being corrected, this is correct. But the Ministry of Economic Development has distinguished itself again. Order No. 601 came. Did you receive?" On the approval of the range of goods, works, services for the customer's needs. " non-combining groups, for example, antibiotics and anti-influenza drugs. Now we can buy either one or the other for a quarter. Or group No. 96: we combined cotton wool and X-ray equipment. We just stand up! These are laws and orders that discredit the government. As if someone comes up with something on purpose
...
I am a direct person and I cannot but say that this is a misfortune, that the Ministry of Health and Social Development does not have a single experienced normal healthcare organizer. (Applause.) "

I hope that everyone knows about the fact that State Duma deputies stupidly press buttons when voting on the adoption of laws. So we have a situation, the ruling party, using the majority, adopts any laws without thinking. the law must be passed, and the law is passed.

Who is to blame that the State Duma deputies are like that? Those who elect them. That is, we ourselves.
Why are we so obedient? Well, you know my point of view about the legacy of the past.
Who appoints the heads of the ministry? I miss blah blah - we ourselves are to blame.

Now back to our "cats" who want to go back to the USSR. Comrades, is there a difference? In the USSR, there was a ruling party that single-handedly approved the laws coming from the party leaders - now the same thing.
So what's the difference? Will it become easier for you if the EP is renamed the KPSS? Will tricolors be replaced with red flags?

Well, since no one else wants to talk about medicine in the country, then the topic can be closed.
Let's summarize.
Under the komunyaki, they spent less budget on medicine than they spend now. But still, the situation in the country with medicine is not up to par. Vovan failed, his policy of "vertical power" failed.
Corruption, theft. Due to the absence of a strong opposition, there is no control over the government. It means that those who assent to the oligarchs - scold the opposition, are also to blame for the fact that medicine in the country is not good.
Shame on the totalis, the accomplices of the oligarchs!

again twenty-five.
budget percentages mean how much labor the government is willing to put into this or that. Komunyaki invested less in medicine. So stop talking about how the komunyaki took care of the health of the common man.
Under the komunyaki, an ordinary person could not get to the hospital for the party nomenclature.

And do not pretend to be Gersh with his faith in the Stakhanovites at the Black Sea health resorts. And under the komunyaki there were palaces for the elite.

Under the komunyaki, they spent less budget on medicine than they spend now.

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Think about this: did they spend less in the USSR than they do now, just got sick as much as now? and there was no widespread drug addiction. You don't take this into account, as always, by unsubscribing in numbers.

Corruption, theft. Due to the absence of a strong opposition, there is no control over the government.
What a wise recipe for a stalker - just nah, the opposition forward! - and all problems will blow away like the wind

Why are we so submissive?
old songs about the main thing, they say, the people are stupid and inert: yes you googled how many national / anarchist / left-wing organizations have proliferated. Who in general considers himself submissive?)

So what's the difference? Will it become easier for you if the EP is renamed the KPSS? Will tricolors be replaced with red flags?
Your suggestions for improving the situation in the studio!

Will it become easier for you if the EP is renamed the KPSS? Will tricolors be replaced with red flags?
There is no need to rename. It is necessary to dissolve this gathering of hangers-on and parasites and create a new party, where there will not be a single rich man, general or cop, but there will be no cattle either. Cattle can be identified in a private conversation, although exactly how this should happen, I do not know. But dissolving EdRo is vital nonetheless.
And the flag can be replaced. And this will be done in the future. This will also serve as a signal for the beginning of a new era and the decline of the power of corrupt officials and bandits.

4ertovwiG
what is the relationship between the distribution of the budget for medicine and drug addiction?

A.Soldier of Light, and you have a drum, a budenovka and a tricycle! Every woman has a husband, and every man a bottle of vodka!
Do you know how to identify rednecks? We must see what he writes on the forum.

but this: if there were, for example, drug addicts, then there would be no need to build all sorts of drug treatment centers, psychiatric dispensaries, all sorts of unnecessary books to print about AIDS, proudly declaring that they spent less on medicine in a scoop. the thought is clear I hope

AIDS was not thanks to the USSR?
There was also drug addiction in the USSR.

stalker7162534
again twenty-five
Indeed. What is GDP? "the market value of all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct consumption) produced during the year in all sectors of the economy on the territory of the state for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the factors of production used."
You will not argue that the USSR produced more than the current Russian Federation? Or will you? Then what happens? If we take even a slightly smaller percentage of a larger amount, then it turns out to be more in absolute terms than a larger percentage with a smaller one. Or not ?!

Under the komunyaki, an ordinary person could not get to the hospital for the party nomenclature.
And now you can lie in the same hospital as the governor or the oligarch ?! Well, what nonsense to write.

what is the relationship between the distribution of the budget for medicine and drug addiction
Elementary. For the treatment and getting out of the lump of a larger number of drug addicts, more funds are needed.

There was also drug addiction in the USSR.
Was. And the crime was serious. The whole question is only in quantities ...

Ankh 8
in the elderberry garden, in Kiev, there is a
budenovka uncle and a drum on your neck, my dear kibalchish boy.

The rich man threw a hundred to charity 0.0000000001% of his income.
The poor man gave half of his earnings, 83 coins, to help the suffering man.
The rich man is more merciful than the poor. Or not?

All this is garbage, even in Soviet times, medicine was limping (my grandmother was forced to throw nasvai under her lip at a student cotton picker to recover from a toothache))))))), but still if this is compared with the current situation, then today's medicine is in Stephen Hawking's estate.

stalker7162534
The general epigraph to their comment was chosen correctly "in the elderberry garden, in Kiev, uncle".
It was about who allocated more money for medicine and with whom she felt better, and not about who tore away more from himself. According to your logic, the Haitian government is several times better than the French government. in Haiti, most of the money just goes to feed the population.

Ankh 8

What happened during the USSR? People were distributed to various regions, faced with local typical diseases, developed the practice of diagnosing.
Sorry, but this is nonsense. Anyone can go through the practice wherever he wishes. And what are these diseases "typical" for a certain region? Did they go to diagnose and treat qingu or what? What other "typical" diseases we had, tell me.

Who works in private universities is generally a song: mostly "own" and "thieves".
No, well, this is no good. And what, the whole staff of teachers is like that, right? Or are there only private universities in Russia, but no state ones? This judgment is fundamentally wrong. There are people whom you mean, but there are very few of them. So stop exaggerating.

The teachers came from the 90s, as a result, many exams are passed on a tax or part-time basis. pleasure.
And before, in the scoop, weren't they? There was always someone to give on the paw. They won't put anything with a machine gun, but it was possible to get what you wanted by pulling. And it has always been and will be.
You paint everything exactly the way your imagination paints this image for you. Didn't you go to college and don't know what the system is?