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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20 06:08 am

Small upgrade

Hello. Such a situation is that there is a computer with the following parameters Athlon x4 640, Radeon hd 5670 512mb, 4gb ram, and a power supply like 450, or. 550.
I will need to spend about half a year on it, and I would like to play something) completely upgrade, there is no way to spend money now. And here's the question: if I just change the video card, for some Bu, costing 50-60 dollars, (GeForce gt 640, Radeon 6670), can I play the latest games, and games of 15.14 years, at least at low ones, medium settings, hd resolution, but no lags, at least 30 - 40 FPS?
Or the processor will not pull everything smoothly, and there is no point in changing the video card?
Now, for example, dying light, at minimum settings, in hd resolution, is played with brakes. I think about 20 - 26 fps.
Thank you
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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

TwinFrozr
Yes, about the power supply , you most likely persuaded me to take the 7770) Although I'm still afraid that it will fail) Does the
power consumption of the processor increase during overclocking without raising the voltage? My case is not yet a fountain, it seems to me that it is hot inside) I am afraid for that too) although the programs show good temperature values ​​for both the processor and the video card.
And about the grounding of the PC, I just read a lot of reviews from people who burned down their computers and TVs. In ps4 there is something else, at the expense of grounding, I no longer remember)

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Look, I have an overlocking point in my BIOS. I just click there and I boost the frequencies as much as I want. Does this increase the voltage, or not?
see screenshots.
On the last photo, and put up a 15 percent increase.

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TwinFrozr 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
And about the prots, you can not steam, it degrades again if you strongly increase the voltage on it, and if you leave your own, it will work for at least another five years, consumption increases very slightly. Set Overcloking MOD to Manual, set CPU Frequency to 240, NB Frequency to 1333 and lower the NT Bus Sped frequency (for example, if there is 1000 by default, then set it to 600) Thermal grease can be left unchanged if the percentage will work stably and not get too hot after overclocking, but it will be possible to check after overclocking the AIDA64 program Press Service - System stability test, leave a tick only near the Stress FPU item and press Start and test somewhere for half an hour without forgetting to watch the temperature and if the temperature is very high then stop the test immediately ... In general, it is better to make screenshots of NB Frequency and NT Bus Sped and fill it in here so that I can say more precisely what frequencies to put there. NB Frequency lower to 1333 you have memory of 1333, not 1840, and you essentially set it to 1840 and lower the NT Bus Sped frequency by a couple of points.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

TwinFrozr
how difficult everything is) I'll probably look for manuals, what is NT Bus Sped, CPU Frequency and all that)
Overcloking MOD there is no Manual. And I tried to manually increase the frequencies, it doesn't work. only through auto settings, and then change the rest.
Lan, a little later when I do, I will make screenshots)
but 1.3250 v is the standard voltage, right?

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote: Does
this increase the voltage, or not?
Yes, with what, as a rule, the majority of mate. boards overestimate it, so it is better to set the value manually. And be sure to download the program to keep track of temperatures and voltages.

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TwinFrozr 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Then, firstly, set x15 3450 MHz then NT Bus Sped (this is the bus on which the percent communicates with the memory) during overclocking, you need to lower it by a couple of points (for example, if initially without overclocking x15 3450 MHz it costs 1000 MHz then set 600), just click on NT Bus Sped in BIOS and tell me what values ​​are there (you can not take a picture, just say the values), set NB Frequency to 1333 after you have already set x15 to 3450 MHz

And through autotuning, you saved 15% 3450 MHz and the Windows loaded normally and the frequency in Windows was 3450 MHz and nothing was buggy or lagged? If so, it means you have a smart mainland and it itself underestimates the frequency of the memory and the bus hypertransport, which means that you have nothing else to do. If so, download the AIDA64 program, go there in the Computer - Overclocking menu and make a screen. The same program can be used to check the stability, press Service -System stability test, leave a tick only near the Stress FPU item and press Start and test somewhere for half an hour, not forgetting to watch the temperature and if the temperature is very high then stop the test immediately

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

TwinFrozr
I did not dare to load Windows, at 15%)
Ok, I'll write you these parameters a little later)
I played Dying light yesterday, about 2 hours, maybe a little more. With msi afterburner included. I wanted to look at the temperature of the probe, and the video.
So, the percentage has always been, about 40 - 50 degrees. It seemed to me that it was a very low temperature. Is it possible?
And the video card did not rise more than 62 degrees, taking into account that it was loaded by 99 - 100 percent. While at Funmark, the map showed a maximum temperature of about 76 degrees after 12 minutes. True to the previous owner's computer. I have 65 degrees in funmark, in 4 minutes.
What is the maximum allowable temperature for the core?

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik your
critical temperature is 71 degrees, so don't worry about overheating yet.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Len4ik00N
got it.
TwinFrozr
Ht bus speed has values ​​of 230,460,690,920,1150mhz. I set it to 15% overlock
NB Freequency Multiplier is x6.0 1380mhz. To put it?
There is also memory clock, Dram voltage. There is a car.
And I was wrong, you can manually change the frequencies)
if I increased the frequency to 3510mhz, then nb Frequency multiplayer, there 1170,1404,1638, 1872 ....
Ht bus is also slightly different.
234,468,702,936,1170,
voltage like 1.3250 remains
I also understand that the mother affects the overclocking. Is it safe to drive with my motherboard?

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
Is it safe to drive with my motherboard?
If dispersed gradually and without fanaticism, then everything should go smoothly. For your own comfort, after overclocking, be sure to conduct a system stability test.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Len4ik00N
I thought to immediately overclock to 3.5, and then test) or should I gradually overclock, and after each time test for half an hour?)

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
I would advise you to first test the system without overclocking (including performance), so that you have something to compare the subsequent results with. Many motherboards, even with an insignificant overclocking, automatically raise the voltage to the maximum recommended by the processor manufacturer, so try a slight overclocking (for example, up to 3.2) and see what voltage your mat will set. board, at the same time you can test the system. Or you can immediately manually set the voltage to 1.35 V, so as not to sweat about this. There they wrote to you above that you need to monitor the value of the "NB Frequency" and "NT Bus Speed" parameters, or rather, whether the motherboard regulates them automatically as it accelerates, therefore, even if you manually set the voltage to percent, intermediate overclocking still needs to be done. If everything goes well

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Well, I looked at the system in the game, monitored the temperature, looked at how many percent was loaded, etc.
Yes, when I increase the frequencies, Bus speed, NB Frequency is set to Auto. I can choose other values.
The voltage is 1.35 automatically, and I can supply it manually the same way. And the BIOS says that 1.35 is like the maximum voltage.
NB Frequency "and NT Bus Speed ​​is all that needs to be changed? I read that it seems like the frequency of the RAM needs to be lowered too, and like the memory clock, Dram voltage, these items are responsible for the RAM

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TwinFrozr 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Ht bus speed set less than 1000 or so (as standard without overclocking it is set to 1000, values ​​920 or 936 after overclocking are quite enough)
NB Freequency Multiplier seems to be the frequency of memory (RAM), set it to about 1333 after overclocking (tell me everything its values ​​without overclocking)
memory clock this is the frequency of the RAM (after overclocking should not greatly exceed 1333) So do you have both settings in the BIOS and memory clockclock and NB Frequency? Tell me all their meanings without overclocking.
Dram voltage Do not touch it at all, because the word voltage is understandable without translation, in this case it is the voltage settings of the RAM.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

TwinFrozr
Initially, all values ​​are set to Auto. Therefore, I do not know what settings without default.
Yes, there is NB Frequency and memory clock
AND Dram voltage is also worth the car, that's why I'm asking, maybe I need to lower it if I raise the frequencies of the processor.
sec, throw off the pictures it may be easier)

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

One photo, at default frequencies, the rest at 235
in the background, you can see where 3000mhz, where 3525mhz.
Voltage, this is the voltage to the RAM
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TwinFrozr 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik The voltage does not need to be touched at all, since it is what it was and remains, but only the frequencies of the RAM and the hypertransport bus grow, which is why they need to be lowered before overclocking so that after overclocking they are about the same level as before overclocking, for example, if the memory 1333 MHz then after overclocking its value should be approximately at the same level or slightly higher or lower, the same with Ht bus after overclocking it should be about 1000 (since by default it plows at 1000 MHz).

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

I just ran a stress test FPU through Aida 64, at stock frequencies, after 3 minutes the processor warmed up to 72 degrees. I turned it off)
Comrade Len4ik00N wrote that 71 is the critical temperature for this processor. Apparently it is impossible to overclock the percentages yet?)
Although in games the percentages are colder, about 50 - 60 degrees
With the Cpu test, the percentages are also about 56. What is FPU?

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TwinFrozr 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik This test artificially creates a maximum load on the percent (no game will create such a load), in real applications it will never reach such temperatures. So, after overclocking, not Aida 64's father-in-law, but a father-in-law in ordinary games and applications, since this test creates overloads by percent.
NB Frequency set x8 1880
NT Bus Speed ​​x4 940
Memory clock 626 - 1253
Save the settings in BIOS and see in Windows or Aide64 whether the percentage is overclocked or not, after overclocking sweat in games, if it fails, then reduce the frequency of the processor by about 100 MHz. Leave the rest of the settings approximately the same (memory about 1333, and the hypertransport bus to be about 1000)

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Mr. Freeman 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik Buddy
! Take a look at my profile and see my configuration! THIS IS ALREADY A BUCKET WITH NUTS! I think that you will draw all the conclusions yourself)