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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20 06:08 am

Small upgrade

Hello. Such a situation is that there is a computer with the following parameters Athlon x4 640, Radeon hd 5670 512mb, 4gb ram, and a power supply like 450, or. 550.
I will need to spend about half a year on it, and I would like to play something) completely upgrade, there is no way to spend money now. And here's the question: if I just change the video card, for some Bu, costing 50-60 dollars, (GeForce gt 640, Radeon 6670), can I play the latest games, and games of 15.14 years, at least at low ones, medium settings, hd resolution, but no lags, at least 30 - 40 FPS?
Or the processor will not pull everything smoothly, and there is no point in changing the video card?
Now, for example, dying light, at minimum settings, in hd resolution, is played with brakes. I think about 20 - 26 fps.
Thank you
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SonyK_2 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote: I
didn't find what I needed
in Google You have special Google, or they banned it - why did I immediately find information, but you can't?
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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

You didn’t understand me. I can google, and of course I found the characteristics. But I don't understand which card consumes less, which one more. And where to look at all? what characteristics.
The fact that the minimum required power of the PSU is written there does not tell me anything.
What is a reference video card and what frequencies should I look at?

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SonyK_2 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
... I do not understand which card consumes less, which more ... that the minimum required power supply is written there, it does not tell me anything ...
Enter "Radeon HD7770 TDP" (or "power ") a problem for you?
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And do not say that the first time you see the abbreviation TDP, in the post above I wrote about it. If I wanted to - I remembered, if I did not understand - I could ask again.
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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

SonyK.
Well look at your screenshot for yourself. The power consumption of a regular 7770 is indicated there, the brand of the card is not indicated, such as asus, or xhx. I already know this power consumption. I was interested in the consumption of specific cards from asus, or gigabytes, etc. After all, each has a different cooling and possibly different frequencies. But as I understand it, it seems that almost everyone is the same.

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SonyK_2 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik Is it
difficult to write "TDP" or "power" in a search engine after the full name of the card?
Why, in the first result, I found an article with comparisons of video cards (by the way, there is mine in the review, only with a smaller amount of video memory), but you can't?
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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Then I'll try to explain it in a simpler way: first of all, you look for the characteristics of an ordinary 7770; of them, you need to pay attention to the following parameters: GPU frequency, video memory frequency, additional connector. power supply and power consumption. The same thing you need to find about the rest of the video cards from which you choose. It is unlikely, but it may be that it will not be possible to find information on the consumption and availability of additional. power supply of some video card, then look at the frequencies: which card will have the highest overclocking and the highest consumption. If you are very worried about your power supply, then take a card that is closer to the usual one in terms of characteristics (you can ignore the difference in a couple of percent). Make sure that your power supply unit has a connector for connecting to a video card, otherwise you will have to look for an adapter (it may be bundled with a video card). If, after these steps, there are still several suitable options, you proceed to consider the cooling system. Personally, I would take a video card with a more massive radiator and more fans, so that there is less noise during operation and better cooling, but you can just take whichever you like best. Plus, if you take a used video card, its condition decides a lot, so pay attention to this too.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

SonyK.
You found only his power consumption, I saw that too. About others I did not find. But as h understood, most likely everyone has the same consumption.
There is a 6pin wire in the power supply unit, and yes I take a boo card, but I don't know what to look for. They seem to look the same)

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SonyK_2 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
You have already been written above - look for yourself and compare the characteristics. Which ones are more important to you - I don't know. I needed 2 GB of video memory, support for DX11, low power consumption, an additional power connector - so that there were fewer problems with the PCI-E 2.0 slot, which does not "pull" more than 75 watts.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

I'm not talking about that. I know what video card I need, I have already decided on this. 7770 1 GB.
The person above wrote that I would pay attention to the state of the card if I buy a bu. So I wrote that I don't know what to look for when you buy a card.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

SonyK.
In short, I'm just making excuses to you in this thread. Did I ask what to look for when buying a bu? I explained my answer to the previous post, which you also misunderstood. In general, I initially asked about the power consumption of the same card, but from different manufacturers. I wanted to know if there is a difference. Already found what I need.
Your advice helped me a lot (go to google, go to youtube) Thank you. I will try to cope further without your help, but I don't know if it will work out ...

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

In general, an hd 7770 from Gygabyte is coming to me, and 4 gb ram has already arrived.
How I put it, I will write how the system shows itself, if interested)
Now I think about at least a little overclocking athlon 640 x4. Then someone wrote, if you do not increase the voltage, then the box cooler will cope.
How true is this? and is there any sense at all?

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
if the voltage is not increased, the boxed cooler will cope.
How true is this?
A boxed cooler will not be able to cope with high overclocking 100%, and without raising the voltage, overclocking the percentage is significant. will fail, so the capabilities of a standard cooler should be enough for you, but do not forget about the state of the thermal paste between the processor and the cooling and the power supply unit: although overclocking is planned without raising the voltage, the system consumption will still increase.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Len4ik00N
Well, for example, does it make sense to drive from 3.0 to 3.3? and is it possible in a box, without raising the voltage?
or does it make no sense?
I just sold a card.
in total, according to calculations, I bought 7770, and 4 gb frames, and sold my card. The upgrade cost 56 bucks. The card will come on Friday, I'll check how the system behaves in games. I hope that the PSU will pull. If not, it will be very stupid))))

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
does it make sense to drive from 3.0 to 3.3? and perhaps it
can be even higher in boxing (3.4-3.6) - the main thing is that it works stably. The performance gain will be most noticeable in applications that are sensitive to the processor frequency, in the rest it all depends on the overclocking level. In general, Athlones are quite cold processors. I once overclocked an Athlon II (I don’t remember exactly which one) from 2.8 to 3.6 without raising the voltage: on a boxed cooler, the temperature did not rise above 50 degrees even in summer, but you’ll know how it will be in your case only when you try it.
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
I hope that the PSU will pull.
without overclocking should definitely pull. By the way, what is your motherboard?

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Len4ik00N
asrock n68c-s ucc

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
before overclocking, make sure that you can manually set the voltage to a percentage in the BIOS, because if this is not possible, mat. the board itself will increase the voltage, even when overclocked by 1%; accordingly, overclocking the processor without raising the voltage will not work in this case.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

Len4ik00N
And what is correct in general? Why is it possible to raise the tension, or not to raise it? which is better?
It seems like this motherboard allows you to play with overclocking

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Len4ik00N 23.12.20

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
How is it correct?
it is right to do something only when you know what you are doing or do not feel sorry for the computer if something goes wrong.
Without raising the voltage, it seems to be safer and relatively simpler: you can not be afraid to burn something, you don’t have to change the boxed cooler, the consumption of the entire system will hardly change, etc., but then you should not count on conquering high frequencies.

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Zefir4ik_kefir4ik 23.12.20

I understood. Without raising the voltage, I cannot reach high frequencies) it
turns out, can I drive up to the maximum possible frequencies that the voltage allows?

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MunchkiN 616 23.12.20

you can set the voltage automatically. during acceleration, respectively, the pitch itself will increase the voltage.
and to where such overclocking will be possible to where it is generally possible.
in any case, I did not get any additional stability and further overclocking when setting very high voltages.