God of War - Plot Discussion (Spoiler alert)
Topic for discussion of the plot
10 minutes ago, reptail said:
In the game, it is said in plain text that Balder initially followed Kratos' wife, unaware that only ashes remained of her.
where is it said?
19 minutes ago, B11zzard said:I think there is just a ring of marked trees, when Kratos cuts the last one, the shield falls off and evil spirits penetrate into the circle, plus a balder immediately flies in.
20 minutes ago, Kurzgesagt said:26 minutes ago, Jenea said:
put some kind of protective special enchantment on the house. After her death, the spell disappeared
the same thoughts
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Last panel says:
Andlát föður, father's death
Svik, deception, betrayal
Hörmung, misery, distress
Some kind of deception or betrayal happens, Kratos dies, BOI doesn't take it well.
Found on the forum above. The very words that were under the fabric are of course more of them, but apparently these are key. In any case, for some reason it was on a part of the wall that everything was destroyed and only 2 frescoes were preserved, one with Mimir in a tree and one where Atreus is holding his father in his arms. Hmm, maybe he'll revive Kratos with some magic spell in the next installment, or it won't happen because Kratos rewrote fate. Who knows, maybe if Balder had killed his mother, something would have gone differently. But if you remember the words of Kratos before he broke Balder's neck, he said that the cycle would break here, just like Zeus told Kratos in the second part. So inadvertently and knowing that Kratos is doing the right thing, he changes the course of history. Therefore, the fresco in the center has been destroyed.
17 minutes ago, Kurzgesagt said:
Interestingly, and it seems that thanks to this tree (with a mark), they burn Freya and at the same time this mark, it turns into dust, and no matter how strange it sounds, it helps them on the journey? HM. And spoilercast, do you mean these lost pages?
Damn, it's a pity that you can't return to Jotunheim, you'll have to look for a passage on YouTube and write down the runes and translate them.
Spoilercast is when a bunch of reviewers gather and talk about the game. In this case, the easy allies podcast
1 minute ago, B11zzard said:
Spoilercast is when a bunch of reviewers gather and talk about the game. In this case, the easy allies podcast
It's clear.
4 hours ago, Jenea said:
where is it said?
At the very end, when they find drawings on the walls, straight from the mouth of Kratos.
Now I reviewed it, Kratos really says it. But if Balder was hunting his wife, why in the first battle does he say "I thought you would be bigger, but you are definitely the one"?
Assume that he was hunting not specifically for Kathos's wife, but for a giant
After all, Kratos does not know for sure and may also be wrong. 
PPC I listen to the barlog and go nuts. When Kratos enters the pillar of light and walks, the whole game is shown there until the very end. And even then the blades can be seen in the house. We need to reconsider the moment)
Modified on April 25, 2018 by B11zzard Well, in general, in principle, everything is clear there in the plot. And betrayal, it may be Freya, who, in revenge, wants to kill him, having previously rubbed herself into trust in the stupid Greek
By the way, on those letters above Kratos' wife, there is an inscription that is clearly longer than her name. Or is it just that I don't know the language? :))
2 minutes ago, TA_Rubedo said:
Well, in general, in principle, everything is clear there in the plot. And betrayal, it may be Freya, who, in revenge, wants to kill him, having previously rubbed herself into trust in the stupid Greek
By the way, on those letters above Kratos' wife, there is an inscription that is clearly longer than her name. Or is it just that I don't know the language? :))
I am now translating the last wall, from top to bottom I am translating from the world. If I can translate (try).
Kurzgesagt In the sense of the latter? I'm talking about the one to the left of the hole in the wall, where Faye is showing something to the giants, and above it is an inscription of 5-6 characters.
1 minute ago, TA_Rubedo said:
Kurzgesagt In the sense of the latter? I'm talking about the one to the left of the hole in the wall, where Faye is showing something to the giants, and above it is an inscription of 5-6 characters.
I understand, I am telling you that I am translating the one that is destroyed.
Just now, TA_Rubedo said:
Kurzgesagt Well, there are a few words, not a manuscript)
It seems that words are composed, but why they do not want to translate and search, I do not understand.
Hasn't anyone translated it on the net yet? There will definitely be connoisseurs of such a language))
2 minutes ago, TA_Rubedo said:
Hasn't anyone translated it on the net yet? Connoisseurs of such a language will definitely be found))
Translated only 3 sentence with Atreus and Kratos (where Kratos lies in the arms of Atreus)
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Last panel says:
Andlát föður, father's death
Svik, deception, betrayal
Hörmung, misery, distress
I give up, I can't translate, I can't. The only thing that I translated is what is written above. On the left is a raven - Khugin, on the right is a raven - Munin. Slightly below it is written - Mimir friend (in) tree (e).
Corey also interestingly told about the fact that the trilogy has already been written, and in the "first part" there are already a lot of references to the next games, for example, he hinted that Mimir did not fully convey the meaning of the words of the world serpent. 
Just now, B11zzard said:
Corey also interestingly told about the fact that the trilogy has already been written, and in the "first part" there are already a lot of references to the next games, for example, he hinted that Mimir did not fully convey the meaning of the words of the world serpent.
Is that what he said on that podcast?
3 minutes ago, TA_Rubedo said:Hugin and Munin eh? Looks like the names of some drunks)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugin_i_Munin
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Okay. So. At the end of God of War, Kratos kills Baldur and heads to Jotunheim with Atreus to scatter his wife's ashes. Along the way they discover Kratos wife, Faye, was actually a giant called Laufey, and thus Atreus is half god and half giant, with another name: Loki.
There are a lot of questions which we pick apart in the video, but here's a quick run through of myself and Sam Loveridge's theories and thoughts.
Is Atreus destined to kill Kratos? 
Fathers killing sons is a reoccurring theme in God of War. There's a side mission involving a bandit stabbed in the back by his own child, which Atreus fixates on a lot (he can't understand how anyone could do that). Kratos later admits he killed his own father, Zeus, which becomes a more significant admission as a result. We also see this image above in Jotunheim, showing Atreus bending over Kratos, apparently linked in someway by a rope like line. Is he helping him? Healing him? Talking? The game puts a lot of effort into making you think about patricide, so it's looking a little bleak. We even see Atreus shoot his Kratos after he destroys the first gateway to Jotunheim so we kow he's capable of rage-based impulsiveness. In the original games Kratos killed his own family in Greece as a result of Zeus manipulating his rage.
I've tried translating the runes around that image as well but it's either gibberish or an anagram. The game is meant to use Elder Futhark runes, but following that for translations gives you '? Ndlal foluo hormung' - the first letter doesn't seem to have a direct Futhark representation, although 'hormung' is close to an old word for ' descendants' ...
Atreus is Loki, but how does that fit in to Norse mythology?God of War has always played loose with it's source material so the fact that Atreus' 'real' name from his mother is Loki doesn't really give us much to go on. A lot of the legends Mimir talks of in the boat would have technically had Loki involved classically so we're already straying from the source material. In some of the old texts Loki is actually the father of the world serpent which raises questions here but would explain why the Serpent says Atreus looks familiar when they first meet.
Traditionally Loki is also a shape shifter in classical lore. It's kind of his thing and clearly what's being referenced when Atreus asks if he can turn in to a wolf, apparently confusing Kratos for a moment. The mistletoe is also a callback to the original legends where Loki deliberately engineered Baldur's death using a mistletoe spear, or arrow, depending on the text.
Because the game is using Norse mythology for inspiration more than actual factual basis it's hard to tell when could come next but it's worth noting that the original legends have Loki fighting with the Jotnar against the gods, where he's eventually killed by Heimdallr. Thor fans might recognize the Anglicised version of that: Heimdall.
What happened to Fey and why did she hide what she was AND expose Atreus at the same time?
We never find out what happened to Fey, Kratos' wife. She clearly died recently given the game's funeral pyre opening. She also appears to have died naturally given that Kratos isn't blaming anyone. Mimir comments at one point that giants don't really die of old age though, so what killed her?
Another weird aspect of her death is that she marked the trees to be used for her pyre, suggesting she was alive at the time and aware she was dying. The marked trees then broke a spell that had been hiding her and her family, allowing Odin to find them and send Baldur in to cause problems. That's an odd thing for a mother do do to her child. Kratos didn't know she was a giant so it's possible Fey didn't know he was a god but she must have realized Atreus was at risk from Odin giant hunting ways.
What was Baldur / Odin after again?The giant's gift for prophecy. Ragnarök is meant to be the end of everything and Odin doesn't like that much. Hence his persecution of the giants, mainly for not giving him what he wants: their ability to see the future. It was something he was after to help avert the apocalypse.
While Baldur initially seems to turn up looking for Kratos, Mimir mentioned that Odin wants Kratos / Atreus to go "where he cannot reach", which is Jotunheim. Atreus is confused how anyone could know that before they knew the highest mountain in all the realms was in Jotunheim, but Mimir points out that Odin collects prophecies. He possibly didn't really know who Kratos was, or Atreus even existed, just that their journey was foretold.
Is Baldur dead?Yes. But that doesn't mean anything. Remember the bit just after Kratos has snapped his neck and Freya is promising to call down every bad thing she can to get her revenge? In the original Norse legends after Baldur died Freya (known as Frigg, in this version) struck a deal with Hel to release Baldur from the underworld if everything alive and dead would weep for him. Everything did, except a giantess called Þökk, who is widely believed to be Loki in disguise. Because not everything had wept, Baldur was kept in the underworld until after Ragnarök.
While that version is unlikely to happen in the game, Freya made it clear that she wold do anything to punish Kratos, so a little deal with heal is not impossible.
Are we going to see Ragnarok?
At the end of the game we're told Fimbulwinter is coming. This is a three year 'great winter' that proceeds Ragnarök, the Norse apocalypse. Now, there's a second ending after the initial credits roll when you return home and, here, Thor appears 'several years later'. It's a brief tease, ending after Kratos asks him what he wants.
If the extra snow and ice you see after you've finished the game is Fimbulwinter, then this flash forward sequence would be nearing Ragnarök. Although Kratos killed Thor's sons, I don't think he's here for revenge. I think he's here for help to prevent the end of the world.
Is Kratos Tyr?
Tyr is the Norse god of war who's continually referenced but never seen. We know he was it was a much loved deity who worked hard to maintain peace - a diplomat who traveled extensively to learn about other cultures.
In his vault we see the above image showing that he visited Mayan cultures, Egypt and China. That's interesting because, in an interview, Cory Barlog has mentioned Mayan and Egyptian locations as possible settings for future God of War games.
Now, bear with me here, but I think Kratos is Tyr. The mention of Fimulwinter and the appearance of Thor suggest Ragnarök is coming. One interesting thing we know is that the World Serpent is actually from the future - he fights Thor at Ragnarök and was ... will be ... essentially hit so hard he travels back in time.
Honestly, I'm not making this stuff up look:
The only reason I even noticed this is because when Mimir tells this story in the boat Kratos scoffs loudly at the idea in a very odd way. He doesn't comment, just laughs to underline the moment. 'Time travel? HAH '. There's also some dialogue when Kratos finds Tyr's Jotnar shrine and Mimir seems to think it shows the god traveling in some way he's unsure about, suggesting it might be magical in someway ... My theory is that Kratos is dragged into Ragnarök and, like the World Serpent, thrown back in time by the force of the cataclysm; wandering the the Earth through the ages until he eventually become the wise and peaceful Tyr.
Tyr never appears in the game but we know he was a big friend of the giants, which would make sense if your son was one. We also know he was wise, and a good man - everything Kratos is hoping to be. It's also convenient that Tyr's shrine has a secret message that can only be read by Mimir's eyes. Almost as if Tyr knew who would be looking at it later ...
The Symbol for Tyr is even in the logo for the game if this translation is to be believed.