Everything is sad, gentlemen ... - Toyota Mark II, 2.5 liter, 1997

Hmm. really, you see ... only on the third from the bottom there seems to be something else, but next week I will ask what and how, maybe a friend is asking what is the matter ...

Throwing off the pictures ... You can't see a damn thing on them :)))) In fact, it looks like whitish age spots, visible from certain angles.

Maybe the soil itself is to blame? and on top the chameleon is varnished, if yes, then it is also possible and such a nuance as varnish is guilty, the pictures will be as they will, then I can ask the painting specialists ...

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and the photo is really beautiful! maybe you should have had a snack? just kidding. of course shitty. time and money! Well, I think changing the paint will help.

Lesh, don't be upset ... I think the paint is to blame, definitely. So we hope for the best and look forward to the result!

As I understand it ... I waited my month, and even after a month - and then I found jambs nemeryanno.

Thank you. I try, honestly ... But, in any case, this is 20 thousand + a week of time ... I haven't been on a tourer for 2 months! : (((((((((((From Vista already nauseous :) Soon the white nights will pass, and there will be summer), and I didn't even ride. :( The original line was the first week of June. But wings, due to the sudden decision to roll out the rear arches, now because of this garbage with paint, the 3rd week begins "and still no felix" ... You get very tired of the long construction.: ((But, in any case, thanks for the support.: )

I see ... Well, I get 14 + about 20 ... :(

The acquaintance did everything besides the main job + I came to him to help. They cooked the back door, the sills, the left door, digested the fenders, made gills, got a lot of hemorrhoids with a hatch to put the zapadlitso + overcooking amplifiers, completely disassemble the car with interior paint, experiments with paint. And all this was done by one person inside and out + I helped a little in sanding and disassembling the car.
zs Due to a bad experience with the first base on the boor, I got 23 thousand paint :(

Thank you for your answer. :) Yes, the spatula goes before that, but there is still soil on top of it, but it is not hygroscopic :) No, this is not subsidence of layers, I know what it is ... We have Dupont, PPJ and a couple of brands on the market, for me unknown. As for the price, as my painter told me, I get 300-500 euros for the whole car, for 4 liters of Gtransovsky paint I gave 14,000 thousand, so the difference is not very big. I just don’t want to order paint from them again - this is not the first negative feedback about them: ((((((PS - why is it so long for 9 months? What did they do with the car? :) I have the process itself after preparing the car took a couple of days, well, another 3-4 will go away for repainting (they paint completely, except for the engine compartment) ...
PS I'll stick fives in gratitude :))

This is not gud, because the putty is put before that, and it has such a property as hydroscopicity - it absorbs moisture, and then such jambs as subsidence of layers appear, maybe what you described, although I have not met with this ...
zs I have Sickens varnish and Du Pont thinners.

Orangeleo

It's okay, I've been steaming with this paint for 9 months!
The painter said that he would never paint her again - so much hemorrhoids. Did the painter filter the paint well? I have seen sequins the size of a small pebble. And by the way, then he ordered an additional 0.5 liters - he sent another paint, even at first glance, the color of the paint turned out to be different. How was it diluted by the way? And what varnish did you use? Did you sand Jamshuts with a case not with water?

I found out. Skinned with water, some kind of diamond varnish (he said that he was not very famous, but Sickens' level).

I asked us on the market, there is only Du-Pont from 25 mowers per liter) And about the quality of xs ...
As my mlyar said: "Judging by the smell, he dilutes it with 686 (it seems this number he said) with thinner - the cheapest short" ... And Sergei himself suggested to increase the number of layers to dilute it with them all the paint thinner and apply them stupidly more)

Oh hurray! Thank you for looking at my page, comrade in misfortune :) The paint went as if it was finished, i.e. already diluted. Than - HZ. It was not filtered, because there were no jambs a la large sparkles. What varnish, and how they sanded - I don’t know, I’ll find out tomorrow ... Tell me, plz, what is the difference.
PS Tomorrow we'll go to the market to buy a branded boor ... The money is the same, but the quality will obviously be better ...

It's okay, I've been steaming with this paint for 9 months!
The painter said that he would never paint her again - so much hemorrhoids. Did the painter filter the paint well? I have seen sequins the size of a small pebble. And by the way, then he ordered an additional 0.5 liters - he sent another paint, even at first glance, the color of the paint turned out to be different. How was it diluted by the way? And what varnish did you use? Did you sand Jamshuts with a case not with water?

My paint + varnish turned out to be about 8000, and paint and varnish - RockPaint, plus 20 grams of xirallik in varnish - about 200 rubles more.

Well, here ... Today we went to the points. No one has anything in stock. The price tag is space, basically. 500 (DuPont) -2000 (PPG) euros per kg ... A car needs at least 1 kg. But ... Still, they found one option, and stopped at it. Mobihel Helios Prestige series I will not say the name :))). A bit similar to what was, but more interesting, strictly unglamorous. The colors are the same (blue-gold-purple) with a slight addition of red, but ... The color is darker, there is much less violet, there is much more blue and gold (as I wanted). The price tag ... yyyy :)))) 277 euros per kg (remember, you need 1 kg for a car), i.e. 12000r - cheaper than FuturePaints. Tomorrow I will order food - on Friday or Monday he will arrive ...

Such defects are the result of not following the recommendations for the application of materials.
Here, for a start:
www.intercolor.ru/pages.asp?pn=141
Look for your defect, namely, cloudiness / streaking. Read on for reasons.
further, here is this photo:
[img] images.drive2.ru/car.jour..97a04d56040-main.jpg [/img ]
It is clearly visible that the joints of the doors with the wings and between themselves are painted over more strongly. This paint defect occurs when the painter, when painting, guides the gun, for example, from the beginning of the front left wing to the door junction, does not make a standard signal there, but simply stops painting, moves the gun a little lower and paints the wing again. and then when he goes to the door, he starts painting from this joint again. as a result, there is MORE paint at the junction than on the rest of the door area. Moreover, the rear wing is dyed weaker than the doors - a clear difference in color.
And I don't understand this:
"The car is blown over the base into one (!) Layer of the future three, without any varnish, so far, essno"

How can you get this saturation in one DRY layer? no way. Only if the layer was wet. 3 layers - this is the technology for painting metallic paint, I clearly and clearly gave instructions - to make the first 3-4 layers DRY, and 1-2 - semi-wet AND DO NOT PAINT LIKE METALLIC. And only so. If you follow my technology, there will be no apples / clouds and after one layer the car will have a slight ebb, and not painted over as in the photo, As a result, the painters decided that they were smarter and screwed up the car. And I do not understand why it was necessary to cover all this with varnish - spots and cloudiness were clearly visible without varnish, and it will not go anywhere after varnishing - why waste material? All that had to be done was to reduce the pressure, even from the photo you can see that the gun throws paint crookedly, spots due to either an already tired nozzle or due to high pressure.
Paint problems are when the color is either wrong or the paint falls off. Problems with application - problems of the painter and only, I did not say in vain - MAKE A TEST, and what is the result? The standard excuse for a painter is paint! I have already heard this many times, but upon repeated testing, it turned out that it was not the paint that was to blame, but the painter. You just need to be able to listen to what they say and understand.
Here is exactly the same defect, stains and stripes at the junction of parts, painted like metallic:
www.futurepaints.ru/modul...file=thumbnails&album=116
And moreover - when I just started doing paints and paint brushes - I had exactly the same the same problem. And I give my recommendations only based on my own experience.
If there is paint left, do a test on a large part following my recommendations and be surprised how simple everything turns out to be. And by the way, it is not clear why the car was not varnished 15-20 minutes after painting, it was also rolled out into the street! I do not understand this at all - a violation of all conceivable and inconceivable technologies, there is moisture in the air and whatever you want can be - then how to varnish it?

Hi, Sereg. I deliberately did not write to you until the car is repainted with a branded boor. After that, it will be found out whether it is a painter's jamb (the story with the clouds will repeat itself), or paint ...

And to roll the car out of the spray booth into puddles is no comment at all. Do not be surprised if then all this will fall off.

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Well, I immediately said WHAT needs to be done so that there are no defects. Why the painter decided to paint as it is more convenient for HIM, and not as TOLD to him, is unknown. Could the paint be to blame for the inadequacy of the painter? any exclusive color is prone to staining, this is a problem in all forums exaggerated, even on the intercolor, even on the refinish. I gave the link above, it clearly says WHY such defects occur. And the whole country paints with these colors - the only problems are in St. Petersburg. This is me serious.
And I recommend peeling off that layer of varnish from the car that lies on my chameleon after they rolled the car out into the street - I don't know what kind of humidity you have and how much salt in the air and how then all this will hold.
Any technical equipment from any brand does not allow such treatment with paintwork.

I will leave the rest of the comments behind - writing is long and dreary. We don't understand each other. You are wrong in many ways.
The painter painted with me the first layer on one element separately. As it was said, both in layers and in pressure. This element stained the most (front left door). Once again, I say, I propose to leave the discussion before repainting.

You know better, everything is fine with me. And a small addition - after ONE layer you should have seen an actually unchanged detail, but it turned out - judging by the photo that without varnish - a little different. You can talk for a long time on this topic - just how they cook and how they paint already says a lot, I'm sure that if we call and paint one detail directly online with the correction of the painter's actions by phone (we have to go to that) - everything will be completely different.

Yes, and in the tech that the intercolor website explains the occurrence of such defects, and there are written the reasons and what needs to be done. Note that there is not a word about the quality of the paint.

In-in. And I don't want to pour poop on anyone. I think the truth is in the middle. More precisely, we will find out literally the other day after repainting. :)

man, you know, for some reason, the paint also did not go down as the gtrans said. The qualification of the painter is beyond doubt. if something magical happens to the paint as it crosses Russia. toli sergey speaks and other painters speak different languages)

but the result made me very happy, although not at all what was planned.

py.sy. I don't want to expose anyone, neither my painters nor Sergei.