Logan. Ceed.
A couple of cursory inspections. And how it was, and a little about the choice of BU cars.
To start Led. Sold his girlfriend... It's about something, says Yes))) And it says that the minimum % of what the car is good... Why I say so? For one simple reason... How many I cars people picked up? And one bought from a girl? I'll answer myself — NEEEEEET.
Just imagine a single machine not purchased from the girls... They will reconsider if they have a good machine, the price lomyat, as for the plane, then just sell all pokerkeno... Now understand me, when I see the announcement that went a girl, it pushes me, not a plus this seller) I have already written about it... But in life there are situations that you have to watch their cars, because of the small choice or other reasons. Yes, and they are good cars, but sooooo rare example HEREand could not agree on price... And now fate throws me again to the inspection of the car with the girl.
On the phone. 1 owner. All THE dealer. Warranty. Mileage 54 000 km. All intact. And so... No significant chips on the body.
About the chipping on the body say many... And they are of course on BU car always have and that's fine. But the scale of these chips will show only the examination...
Was very cursory examination... I understood that the customer will buy it... not just take a picture of him in schools that he hadn't asked what happened to her... Car is in original paint
Already, here and there... does not look for the machine 2012 GW...
Another thing... Before, I thought that the main thing in the car is the body, and the rest they say it's repairable... but hell there... the Main thing is the engine+gearbox+body+holowka+mileage. Only together the goodness of all these factors will be a good car! No one wants to mess with BU car after purchase, so initially we must look for the best, not only with the whole body...
Examples of this are many in my blog. Even in the Almeria classic, which recently watched, because they were also without Ponkrashov in General, and with one painted wing, and I bought two podkresli the car. And all from what? From the fact that in the totality of all the factors, the machine is much better than the others sold, and requires less investment and attention...
Therefore, cars with more features, you have to buy, considering how much it will fix to repair these joints.
Further, Farah has a melting... I'm told that it is their disease... In fact, there is no disease, there are curves Russian hands. And the sores of Seeders I wrote HERE
You probably know already that I have every little thing has a story... Here is an example about curved hands... I Have a friend, he drives a Lancer 9 2 liters. He called me over, said, look and the tail lights have melted the elements inside... Tells you how to fix it? Sorry I have no photos... But really? Change the rear lights... But from what melted, you know?
Says stuck the bulb better, more expensive, brighter... And the result is what?
I always say, do not meddle where they shouldn't, and let the car ride... But where necessary, and to climb Khodovki repair and bodywork, and lights let stand kopeeshnaya, but without harm to health car...
And then her second look, you'll bargain for it, and you answered — so WHAT? HEADLIGHT A...
And sid, I'm told, under warranty can be changed... So replace! What to sell something? And no one will change because under warranty... Here's the problem...
And so the entire machine need to paint that lights to replace the forehead with a crack there was... It all the time, attachments etc... And for comparison You can find here is an option — LED, but that's about it, but a HUNDRED. And Yes, it has more mileage! But he served under the rules, but in the totality of the factors, the money it will invest much less than viewed the girl...Go ahead...
It happened — and watched Logan. What you need to know about Logan? The most reliable this car? Neeeeeeet. I wrote how the bike went... From taxi drivers... And about the warranty Logan written HERE
DSV.
All DVS Logan reliable of 1.4-1.6 liters and 16 valve and 8 valve. They are on the timing belt that needs to be changed... For it is not everywhere taken, because a Frenchman? Because there is no tag on Grime... Need the keys for replacing the timing belt 16 and 18. I write all this because I personally changed it the belt. Not the most easily repairable cars... I, for example, keys bought for Logan. Oil tube under the key? hex? or is there an asterisk? Neeeeeeeed... There square crap... I did Unscrew the bolt from the breakup nines, gently giving the shape of nodake... Like a trifle because described... But, not knowing this, I arrived at the garage and butted... then the key is not present, the oil is just not to replace... But one thing I can tell You 100%, motors seamlessly, not guzzle a lot of Benz, sluggish not much going for this car. Why I love the Logans people.
CAT.
With guns cases had never, but with the manual gearbox problem was not a single Native friend... the clutch goes in different ways... Well, it's obvious how to drive... the torgovec passed 130 000 km, which is too little for this car, the taxi driver 200 000+km, as it should, ride the clutch...
Hodowca.
Here is interesting... Stand on the Urals, with our winters and weather in the Urals, go often around 70 000... And the warranty on them 60 000 km, and That, in fact, exactly as they visit... my friend and they replaced under warranty.
Ball. They are up to 100 000 km is almost never reached... they often run 70 000 km. my friend replaced under warranty, and after warranty is also changed... It's even a problem I would say. All my friends have replaced the ball on the Logan. + it is necessary to press in, not bolt-on, which also costs money, and sometimes not to do it myself.
CV joint inner left, also a problem... Begins to flow, often up to 100 000 km mileage... Just look on the Internet as it changes... In the service say-take a drive and not a grenade, then replace it... And so, too, are not taken often...
Wheel bearings replaced all my friends to 100 000 km, some of them twice even.
The tie rod up to 100,000 km replaced all. Steering rack for up to 100 000 km did not die for ANYBODY.
All these sores were my friends, and many revised me Logan... But the thing is that the engine+transmission problems does not deliver, and the rest depends from Your riding, and then goes to someone longer, some less... And most expensive, reliably on Logan!
Body.
Live rotten, Logan, I do not see... And really rotten, run for 500 000 km... But had to go with taxi drivers mileage, which is 400 000 km and the car is not rotten.
Paintwork is not thin. I do not remember, but up to 180 m across — the native LCP.
Salon.
Salon simple Steering wheel if leather, you will certainly bosarkany and pomeneny under warranty, or just bosarkany. Without exception all leather steering wheels were changed under warranty. Everything is simple in the cabin, the materials are too simple... But that doesn't mean that the mileage of 50,000 km, the whole area will be dead... Noooo. But the cabin is not as durable as I would like. But it's cheap, generally reliable car.
Likvidnosti.
Logan was the Frenchman who to buy and who always liquid in the Urals. But there are problems with this... Almost always mileage is huge, take them to travel a lot... Often the most simple configuration... No air conditioning on 90% sold Logan. But with the motor 1.6 l extremely rare on the Internet in Chelyabinsk. Often entire, but often with NO real runs... Look for BU Logan is very hard...
But there is another side of the coin. Logan is good, can cost 300 000 rubles and more. But for the money there are other cars that look better)) And that is to sell Logan for 200тр., simply, if it is good. But for 300 000 rubles, it is not willing to take, because there are other brands of cars, which are more liquid...
Often took a new Logan's grandparents, but, alas, they are without air conditioning... And without conder BU inomarka – illiquid, in fact... Because hinomaru and buy only because of the different lotions.
Now it is worth saying that the order was gone. Logan and only Logan. Necessarily Necessarily 1.6 l with air conditioning. from the 2011 release. How many cars sold? 4 pieces)))) 2 killed in the region at the same time... one Sajany was... the One You show below.
Sold sign up. But in the absence of exploring other, went to see this... I'm not going to paint too much... there in 2012, single households, all intact and so on.
Painted on one rear wing and even then not completely, and the rib on the wing... On the condition and mileage judge for yourself
Yes, I know, in General it is not bad! And the motor 16 valves etc. Not going to write anything at the expense of mileage...
NOT procjeni seat, and only made himka and they look good
Steering wheel worn, but, in fact, that's their problem.
Pedal bosarkany, but not so much...
STO will judge us, I thought! No book service... in Short, I have doubts, and the diagnosis can not deliver... And I can't always understand everything... But knowing what sells outbid, you know that he jerked his mileage is 99.99%.
They say to buy, drove a HUNDRED? There the customer will be so and so, if all is well, will oformiteli today.
Outbid — I'm not going anywhere, I'll be there brain fuck, haggle and so on... just wasting time...
I understand, the car you have is not bad, but without checking a HUNDRED will buy it...not
Outbid bye, then, with the first market will buy it without your checks!
Well, what to do in this situation?) Nothing... Buy it at your own risk, I don't like anybody... well, I just didn't expect that it can be at all))
Usually tell the person, go to the service station, if all is good will buy it, ALL AGREED.
Perhaps hide the fact that it is impossible to understand my inspection... who knows...
In General, there I have all different... All over the WORLD
Nikita-2
If I went the girl at 20% is just the perfect car. Myself have relatives of this girl. In other cases, it is broken/kozena machine, box/bottom jammed, incalculable damage. Very often ignore So just go changing anything until it stops. They are "victims" of the garages where not doing anything and take a lot of money. In the end, they believe that the car is maintained and in fact he laid)))) If she bought the car used and then went at least 5 years, not changed anything. Suspension and brake parts usually are worn out completely. Liquid or never changes, or only the motor is very rare. The level of the oil no one ever watches. If in the morning under the car the puddle is not clear why they sit down and go. They do not hear the noise of the bearings, removed the wheels, stretched the handbrake, you can use the run-flat tire all day, etc.
That's the point. I remember last winter coming home from work, watching the accent goes... the sound of shuffling. Stood up. It turns out the girl, walked the car side, the village, little more gas and drove on. What happened? Frozen pads on one of the rear wheels, followed a trail on the asphalt of 200 meters on the road and out of the yard (I passed). So she went on with a locked wheel. The question of how she left with locked a wheel and went? It could home to go for boiling water, etc. And the answer is simple, she didn't even check why tight left the car Park again drove another 200 metres up the road to the bus stop. Not checked, because pofik. So 100% this will go even if under the car in the morning will be a puddle of oil or antifreeze.
Mypppo4ka
Aw, that's silly
Not stupid =). I have a similar observation (for example, wife and her friends). Not all girls are, but many. Just a different attitude to the car. There are men like that, but because of the influence of childhood environment their is less =).
One pleases. As breakdowns of machinery girlfriends, my wife will teach them all what was happening =).
Here such "nonsense" these are the realities of life... One friend broke both the apron wheels in the winter and traveled until they were resocialise in the trash. The other whistled the alternator belt, and not a day or two and a half year. She was out of town for this sound)))) Another friend went to supported the Fiesta, sagged springs and the car was very low. She broke all that is possible. Broke the a / C compressor, gearbox housing is busted, the tray was jammed. I urged her to put at least a protection for the engine not to mention new springs. She did not understand in an emphasis, assured me that the protection is though she wasn't there)))
Mypppo4ka
do not understand about the stone in the garden girls, so for me it is a stereotype)
If I went the girl at 20% is just the perfect car. Myself have relatives of this girl. In other cases, it is broken/kozena machine, box/bottom jammed, incalculable damage. Very often ignore So just go changing anything until it stops. They are "victims" of the garages where not doing anything and take a lot of money. In the end, they believe that the car is maintained and in fact he laid)))) If she bought the car used and then went at least 5 years, not changed anything. Suspension and brake parts usually are worn out completely. Liquid or never changes, or only the motor is very rare. The level of the oil no one ever watches. If in the morning under the car the puddle is not clear why they sit down and go. They do not hear the noise of the bearings, removed the wheels, stretched the handbrake, you can use the run-flat tire all day, etc.
so why not have a one size fits all) and from the floor driving style does not depend) men are not less which is frankly stupid driving
Yes ) not bits do not paint) went a girl))))) third owner))))) for three years the mileage was 50000 ))) I think I adequately ahahaha
do not understand about the stone in the garden girls, so for me it is a stereotype)
you have me on the hood chips seen! compared to them, Sid had just five significant tocheck! )))
EngineerGarin
About buying cars for girls it is: find a good option to go looking, as happy, agree on a price, and in the last she changes her mind. "Such a good car most need it."
Outbid understand that after a HUNDRED there will be an occasion for bargaining, so refused to go. Hopes to sell more to the less demanding buyer)
And Sell the same)) I often sell cars, and their friends, soooo many "suckers" arrives, that's really, sit listen to music and buy. Prior now its just set for 220, although the actual not more than 185, so call want to come if all the rules to take, and any watany car you can sell more cars to sell in the rain or right after rain and the price that was the average of the market)
my car is almost 17 years old, appliance paint everywhere 0,01 ))) is chipped, but chipped it does not scratch.
A remark Led headlights FL. They have no problems with melting. Had some problems at the beginning of production, "breathe," they're bad and sweating because of this.
All reflow — because of the curves of the hands of the owners trying to stick to a different left lamp of big power and every Chinese xenon. But the problem is not that he was Chinese and cheap, but again, in the wrong hands of installers not knowing elementary things. Now out on the General wave of moronity, the fashion in PTF to try to shove the xenon. Powerful cool white light in PTF?! Absolutely no brains, no elementary school knowledge.
One car drove on the highway, the other in city traffic. Mileage is the same.
The question is, where will be stronger worn pedal pad.
Here the wheel — worn the same way.
Modderman
I certainly do not know what the rubber pad on the pedals, but when I took your vases with mileage 54т.km. cover was no serious signs of wear. To Logan when he took also of traces of wear was not visible on the pedal couplers. Immediately she is already well worn, and this is clearly over 100 tons.km.
Mileage kurochan )) I Have a 66 tick. and the pedal couplers not rubbed(it is entirely plastic with no lining), people and wheels are moving and the brake discs grind and a lot more then ))
Yes, the only ones))) for anyone who pays attention to such details as lining are usually well versed in the condition of the car and new pads on the worldly life of the car — a serious reason to doubt the "sincerity" of the seller and the real condition of the car.
There is a separate unique, go 40-50 thousand. changing pads, etc on the other. And when you sell then move the original slightly worn parts... 've heard of it.
I certainly do not know what the rubber pad on the pedals, but when I took your vases with mileage 54т.km. cover was no serious signs of wear. To Logan when he took also of traces of wear was not visible on the pedal couplers. Immediately she is already well worn, and this is clearly over 100 tons.km.
Rafson
4 years 11 tkm machine wife and 6 years on my 66 tkm )). Why machine the wife bought? Wanted )))
more than a year logo mileage 11700
So my friend's wife 3 years ago got, want land Rover of EVOH and all, but the Honda CRV is not particularly driven. In the end, the machine is purchased new and then venuto was in her 70 pieces of America. Over the past 3 years of EVOH in the words of a friend failed and 10,000 km, my wife already want another. He was in shock, the machine is in like new condition (count tested passed), and most 25-27 pieces no one will give.
Ceedov
I have over 2 years mileage 10000km ))))) I'll sell or who do not believe
4 years 11 tkm machine wife and 6 years on my 66 tkm )). Why machine the wife bought? Wanted )))
runs schA twisted everywhere.
zaposchu and here the old bayanchik:
www.yaplakal.com/forum7/topic1065872.html
about "girls," in my vision, then clearly "aggravating condition": the machine does not follow vaasche. A typical pattern is: get a girl in the car, go and@#$evesy "as you vaasche ezdiesh? you have suspension rattles, soppec. And grip killed versts as 100 thousand!" . And in response: "Really? And I don't notice!"
the seller refuses to go in the service, especially services which are paid by you! Yes, so ridiculous motivates the refusal! machine one hundred pounds with some large flocks! I'd still spit in the face!
gangsterbrothers
I have been working Logan with a 1.6 8кл, so the bastard ate 10 l 92 km!
If the city, then this is normal consumption.
Well, it's Largus GP there other speed is greater, the weight is more in comparison with Logan, but damn 10 liters is still a lot...
Logan was 7-local, mixed driving cycle more than 100km h did not go, oil change, filter and so all the official was doing at the time.It was two in the firm, and both Hawali same...
well, gasoline is shit, filter change and check the remaining technical osnashenie...it's not right for Logan...
Yes, if he is there and if not then hammer is heavier).and Logan actually blow a toy hammer to knock the can)
Rammstein16V
about the unusual keys, for the Logan smiled))))) have a son-in-law an oil change going in the garage with me))))) well, he poked, and there ...the same square crap)))) I have in the garage fit kakayato crap lying around, from classics like or Hz. what I do not remember) we cut it down and everything's okay, now have the key replacement for oil)), has to replace the struts also needed, unusual keys), but change is very easy to rack, easier than 9ке, you don't need to knock out( I'm talking about steering the tip on 9ке) ball, is also easier to change than 9ке) burdock importantly, do not mash it fine
nothing to beat( I'm talking about steering the tip on 9ке) ball (s) never need to knock! this puller is.
Yes, girls mostly-it's just a rider ))) they do not like to spend on the car. Even if you already have something to fix and change begins to huddle and try to save it I their friends the ladies judge. And what about the condition of cars, right, the author writes, there is a combination of factors by which to judge the state of the machine. And about the mileage I will tell you so. I have not the first machine, and all low mileage. Here's an example on my Corolla mileage 24000км all. it is September 2006. No one believes, they say they say unwound 100 thousand, and I say rummage, type, test, prove. How do not take if until 2012 was still a working machine, constantly under the ass. Everywhere on it. And from may 2012 I changed jobs, now I work in 100 steps from the house, so to work on foot, to walk too, like walk + bike there.
makhozhev
well, find me the same Citroen 90)) Uncle sold the Passat 1992 in very good condition for 170. It is the market.
Monsieur knows his perversions? (C)
Well all girls have different attitudes to cars. Should not one size fits all.
I, for example, the essential condition of the car. This is a priority item of expenditure. Yeah, I'm not a mechanic myself hardly something you can do, except to change a couple of filters but to top up the oil/antifreeze.
But that doesn't mean I don't listen to the car and not notice extraneous sounds, or monitor the state of the brakes, fluid levels, how the box worked, engine and so on. There are doubts about the food to the service. And not sit there on the sidelines, always ask for the masters to explain in detail to me about that car.
Yes, there are friends, who are all strangers, but they are men))) and the car is in excellent condition.
Machine from under the Girls don't even look.
They don't understand how it works, and go to the last, until you die.
Have a friend selling the car for 350, he says, like a bomb, and run for 10 years 48т. km, like super. But first, the girl, the second is the automatic robot, then the equipment is not complete, then in a 3 door, but most importantly its market price in the region of 250-270 thousand at that time was...But insisted she supposedly run small, etc...It does not figure...
How about Evo 9?
What can I say about this almost new nine-year Эво9?
rostov-na-donu.drom.ru/mi...r_evolution/19449181.html
I feel there is some catch...
About the girls... Watched one Kia, 2014, 19000км, not a bit not crash. In the end, 4 badly painted item, there is no nameplate on the trunk...
Swears that her new sold in the salon...
I'm not understand what is the meaning of your inspection?))) and why do you need a specialist to drive the car to the service station? you do what can do in addition to the device and visual estimate of the fading? without device I can't the body to assess qualitatively? honestly don't understand your clients :-) no offense.
www.drive2.ru/b/2169774/ also rust karanika steering — so what's the difference? disease of Seeders?
good, informative article myself with the same thoroughness I bought the car. As they say choose for yourself, but the main course depends on — whether you're willing to put up with shoals of BU cars. If not, you can go to the salon for a new. Outbid is a separate story. And the sellers also different, someone potatoes with sheep in the Cayenne carry on leather.seats, and someone Zaporozhets for business meetings :)
1. The symbol for us became a small, growing family.
2. The character drove 86 thousand km 100-120 thousand km would be replacing the steering, couplers and hodowca.
3. Liquidity 7-year-old Character is higher than 9-10 years old, who for 240-250 thousand rubles definitely not sell, but also have to invest in it.
4. Before the rise in prices of cars were the old prices to the new Logan and the difference of the additional cost was minimal, took advantage of the moment.
Bought from 2008, a year-old Renault Clio in the old body, then just came out with a new body.
Car I bought with mileage 3tys km (3050) real, been selling cars buying a Tiida boooolshoy rear sofa — the Symbol behind them was little space for the wife and child of the first owner.
295 Tr given, when the price of a new same 385 Tr (and that's without the flares, the wing flaps).
I believe that lucky... Skated on it until the autumn of 2014 and sold for 199 Tr with the real mileage on the highway country 85 t km the battery then it was a reliable car was.
In October 2014 I bought a new Logan for 470тр. Hope 10 years is enough it will not rust away like — according to the old Logan.
In defense of women's driving, my wife changed for the third car, no problems, goes a lot more careful me a car so took the ladies (our age) and also no problems.
The author, I would not be so categorical in the estimations.
I agree with every word. Never buy a car from a person, not podkrashivanija chipped pencil. That means he's nihilists and watched the car as well. Just chipped — they can be seen, and other signs of apathy are often hidden. The girls agree completely. It can ten times to be able to ride, but the ride is one thing, but to maintain the machine is another. The car needs to love and feel. Have you ever seen a girl loving machine? There is no way they have the brain differently arranged. When the owner loves the car — it shows, this car can be taken )).
well, there is ovno but at a reasonable price in which you can invest...and basically is what have outbid one ovno
he then realized what he said?)))how to trust a man who doesn't want to STO the car to drive?at least for the basic test suspension...MB there is the entire bottom of the HS or some other schools not only on the bottom...with the same success he could on the phone to say, like, yeah I'm not going to show the car give me money for andexcel I throw the car left with keys and docks)))and then th show it, Yes)
how much is he in the end, Logan wanted?If the price adekvatnaya and corresponds auto che to do?
've seen a lot of girly cars there's a mess and stinks.
.As much as I want to vomit !
.Well, hands don't grow to harvest, roll up to patsanchika to moecco they'll lick the machine. There is certainly a person where, but there are very few.
The block has no label, though if the belt is original (i.e. tagged), then it's IMHO not a problem)
You need to replace the timing belt marks on Logan present. At least on engines 1.4 and 1.6 8 cells. do Not enter people astray. Here's the drain plug — Yes, interesting stuff.
I was on the Mohave drain plug on razdatki square — so came key 3/4". Maybe Logan something "standard"...
Many people have the stereotype that girls mostly neat and well-groomed, also to assets. I thought so too until Smoking forums did not. In the yard there are a couple of cars whose drivers are women, the cars always shiny. One hostess actually too neatly and quickly leaves...But as said Sergei, what girls often put inflated price in the sale — and it did))
I too always ask myself the question "what thinks the seller when the ad says "went girl"?"
was on the market recently in Krasnodar, budget and liquid machines all sell outbid, only to see on the Internet, after calling asking the right questions, and what remains to go look))
Than Led is not satisfied? I have the feeling that the city do not go, the chips will be on any machine through 2-3 winters.
For the headlights, do let warranty change.
Thank you.Informative.
I think that's their old Symbol to the new change...
Very much I like it.Machine unpretentious, very spacious and comfortable in General.
I VAZ 2114. First car, bought it new in 2013. Love, care, lubricate, pour oil shell synthetic every 10 thousand, with mastic the bottom inside missed completely, chips small obscure. Over time, I came to the conclusion that selling the car will have the same price as everybody else, that the car really did not care. Otherwise, do not buy.