Buying EU cars in Europe
Peace to all local!
In the very first post on L-Solo, as you remember, I talked about how buying the car in Europe. Today I would like to raise the issue at the level of the blog, which started for the sake of new knowledge and information to the entire group seat, not just my car.
So, according to my records, the purchase version of seat Leon style, which includes a 1.6 diesel or 1.8 petrol engine with a capacity of 110 horsepower with the automatic transmission, the inhabitants of Germany will cost 25,000 euros (1.65 million rubles according to the exchange rate on 28.07.2015) plus 2000 (133 000) can fall on top for additional services, which will include LED lights, built-in navigation system and for example winter package: heated seats and nozzles. All this can be done in the Configurator on the official website Seat. And you think that this is the only Configurator? As it is not so. The car I started to look for Feb 2015 and found dozens of other configurators on new cars seat Leon. But before we begin detail to go into, delve into the history. Since 2004, Europe has taken some steps to reduce the difference in the price of new cars in the member countries of the European Union. The trend is due to join the EU on 1 may 2004 ten countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Of the 12 EU member States within the Euro area, the highest car prices was recorded in Germany and the lowest in Finland. In the other 13 EU member States the cheapest cars sold in Denmark and Estonia. In order to achieve certain shifts in the direction of financial stability, Europe has gone both to increase the prices in some countries and decrease in others. Thus the greatest increase in the cost of passenger transport was recorded in Italy (+2.6 percent), France (+0.9%) and Germany (+0.3 percent). The most significant decline in prices were registered in Poland (-7,6%), Czech Republic (-6%) and the UK (-1,2%). Despite the fact that the pan-European trend alignment of prices has remained unchanged for many years, the cost of certain machines in different countries may differ quite substantially. For example, if a resident of Germany buys a Ford Focus that is in the top ten the most sold in Europe cars in Finland, he will pay 30%, about 4,000 euros less than at home.
Despite the fact that Europe had to regulate the prices of all countries to the machines and to take such steps, garages found a loophole and easy way of purchase of new cars cheaper than in Germany, that is ridiculous and going in the same place. These garages offer you to order a new car through them and buying EU cars is cheaper. How? For fun I used the Configurator and the difference in the amount turned out to be nearly 6,000 euros (about 400 000).
official site seat
through car service
I'm looking forward to your next issue, which is likely to be: So what's the difference?
As we know seat their car collects in Spain and Germany. I think all the machines for the "long voyage", that is, outside of Europe, was collected in Spain. Cars for Europe are assembled at the factory Volkswagen in Wolfsburg, where he built L-Solo. In order to obtain the following information, all I had to communicate with my friend who works on the Assembly line Assembly of machines at the same plant. It turned out that the difference does not. I'll even tell you that there is no difference between Golf 7 and Leon. They gather the same people, the same tools and that's the most fun, WITH the SAME DETAILS. In his words, a single Assembly line, packaging the same, but the last zarisovochka in the form of documents and the starting of the coupons are different. My L-Solo, which was assembled in Germany and shipped on the truck went to the Czech Republic, where it was sold, and two years later returned to Germany. With new machines is similar. They are transported to the Czech Republic, Poland, Finland and Estonia, and then quietly without a single km of mileage on the same truck returned to Germany to the threshold of the German who ordered a EU car and saved another 5,000 euros. The difference on the Assembly line in the Assembly is only for the Asian market, where cars are sold in RHD vehicles and more rich electronic equipment. For example, my friend said that virtually all of the VW Golf 7 is equipped with large TV screens for passengers in the rear seats, and other small items electronics.
If you look at the situation itself locked from both sides and thereby narrowing the search range only to Germany, where I live, purchasing a car can be expensive. But if you know such detail as the purchase of cars from other European countries where not be paid to the state 19% tax, you will be able to buy a car with a much more pleasant anicom.
Of the minuses say that the service book and manual in the Czech language. I did not stop from that would download the manual in pdf version on the phone, and the Germans the mechanics, I did not see problems in completing the service form.
Thank you for your attention!
I wish you a good week, sincerely yours, Boris and L-Solo.
Well, the sea, and what? I as a non-resident of Germany no one in leasing the car will not sell. And to pay the full amount for new can't afford.
in the photo some special the seller?
Buying a home is still cheaper(sometimes)- promotion and a good discount.
An example of this is my purchase. Well, your next purchase will just have to wait for such shares, although the difference in 7 thousand Yes
elementary, is it possible for Germany, but not for Latvia. I'm buying EU cars BMW 3GT 320d xDrive came at 37,000 euros.
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don't know how you looked.
Consider BMW 3GT 320d xDrive
the most expensive in Finland and Estonia, it is cheaper in Latvia(45250), even cheaper we(44990) despite VAT 22%, the cheapest in Germany(44.900).
But if I'm buying in Germany, from there I drive 1500 km, Poland is not considered yet.
All of these purchases are made through the dealership, that is you tax no do not pay. In Denmark I think 230% on the purchase.
I will now show your article when someone talks about European pricing Seat. Especially comparing it with our before the crisis =)
> The cheapest cars sold in Denmark and Estonia
I understand you say about the cost before taxes, as in Denmark, the tax on buying a new car, the biggest in Europe (from 105 to 180%)
PS
In Latvia, relatively cheap car.
Well, not everyone knows it, this is the first paragraph.
The second point that that there is no information about what quality machines and so on. People are wrong to think the EU machine something worse. I was able to get information about it only through a friend that works in Wolfsburg. And that is the opinion that the seat had a hand, in order not to worsen the EU version, VAG have the same philosophy, but BMW and Mercedes are the same they say the cut quality of these machines. The third paragraph is a kind of propaganda of the German dealers that the EU machine is not supported by the German insurance. A lie of course, my insurance didn't even say anything when he saw where the car came. Also the difference in the discounts. It used to be that on EU cars were no discounts, now they have improved this data that you can see in my photo number 3 where on the right side there is a whole list of discounts.
Well, the fourth paragraph it is a guarantee from the factory. In Germany this case is strictly and quickly. The EU machine spreads of OD guarantee, like Russia.
Now I understand what this phrase means: to bring in from any EU country and pay tax as if you bought in Germany (19%).
Does knowing that there are people buying cars in your country?
19% this is Germany. Just buying the car so I don't pay German taxes, I pay tax in the Czech Republic, which is much lower.
> European countries where not be paid to the state 19% tax
where can a list of countries to watch?
PR0ft
well then, earlier this to take. at the time of importation must be 36 months
Already on Craigslist looked. Not bad at all, with the engine 1.2 on the machine by 600 000 to take Frco with 1.8 engine found over 900 000. It is quite reasonable prices. Cheaper you to take.
In the 12th it was the third of Leona? Although we have BU-shki 2014 still cheaper 15000нвро are
PR0ft
If you buy a car for import to Russia, you pay taxes don't. More precisely it is necessary but you will return them after customs clearance (similar tax-free). So no matter where you buy, in Germany, Denmark or Estonia.
The problem is the cost of customs clearance for a new car — 48%, min 5.5 Euro/cm3
So the most profitable option a car 3-5 years old with an engine of up to 1500см3 — "only" 1.7 Euro/cm3
But this is an option this year cars built in 2012 with petrol engine 1.4 you can take say style version for 14.000 euros. Pay extra money to let those same 2,000 euros for rastamozhka for 16,000 Euro and it's yours in Russia.
The problem will only be in DSG, they are really very small.
The main thing we had to buy)
By the way, at us in Peter still is the last new almost empty of Leon 2014 699r: usedcars.audi-peterburg.ru/loc/car/79172
If the seat is not gone, it's similar to the new Leon 2015 would stand for the 1200r. And to whom it such is necessary? While in neighboring Estonia it exactly as is: www.seat.ee/?346
I don't think I am.
WV sells knee atmospherically 15" hats from the 1100r, and then sold to Leona in the initial configuration from 1000R. Compared to the price a year ago on an empty león (600R without discounts), the price is now increased in proportion to the Euro (and the dollar got to do with it).
About the clearance in the course...but I'm searching for a low initial price)
I think Leman? Well, maybe so.Now 2-3 years for sure we can not see them...and as the dollar strengthens, then)))
we have compared the Zephyr is added an intermediate stage — the customs clearance. Between the purchase and importation into the country. So buy in Germany is not profitable.
About the pricing — again, in Russia it is completely different — other taxes and other logistics and customs clearance est. If Leona is now sold in Russia, they would be worth just below 7th in Golf, i.e. from 1 Leman.
So I about it and lead the conversation from the beginning...Bob wrote about it, and that he, being a resident of Germany may buy the same car in Germany from a dealer for 26,000 euros, and, for example, in Finland the same car for 19000 euros...Machine made for EU countries) it turns Out that 19000 +9000...and multiplied by 65 rubles per Euro...still 1820000 rubles...ass...still prohibitively expensive...
My at the time of purchase was 30,000 euros...so that now it could cost Russia more than 2 million?!)))))
No. If the car is 18000Евро then you pay 48%*18000 = 8640евро at the border. But for 18,000 you can't buy, because taxes can be returned only after the customs clearance
Yes, but cars for the EU amounts to 18,000 euros...that is all I care 45000 will be released all together?
In short, no. If the cost of the new 30000евро, then customs clearance will cost you 45000. The only sane option minicar BU from 3 to 5 years. Then customs clearance will be 3000evro cost.
So in one year and enough...in General I want to, for example, the new Seat...if I can buy it MYSELF abroad? For the right price...
as a legal entity customs clearance more expensive and their troubles with the refund of VAT in Russia. Anyways, only the official can normally. But for physicists the so-called grace period and only import one car per year.
The darkness and horror...it is clear that everything is invented and if it were possible, the machine new would buy there for not very expensive...
But as it is not a natural person can be mean...hmm...
Well, new will you bring as an individual. You buy it, place the property, will bring in Russia as auto up to 3 years of clearing, and then sending the invoice to vozrat tax to the seller.
Here is a rough algorithm: auto.germany.ru/mwst.html
Whoa...that is, if I buy the Leon over 30,000 or 18,000 (both new to the salon, but one for EU and one for Germany), then I'll end up all at the same price?
If you buy a car for import to Russia, you pay taxes don't. More precisely it is necessary but you will return them after customs clearance (similar tax-free). So no matter where you buy, in Germany, Denmark or Estonia.
The problem is the cost of customs clearance for a new car — 48%, min 5.5 Euro/cm3
So the most profitable option a car 3-5 years old with an engine of up to 1500см3 — "only" 1.7 Euro/cm3
Yes, but customs clearance...customs clearance of cars sold for the German or for the EU? The original price is different from new car...so I think that it is cheaper?)
shtirlitz74
Thanks, Bor!) Have been waiting for!)
Awesome it's interesting. What do you think, if you buy a car the same as Estonia or Denmark, or somewhere else where it's cheaper than in Germany...or...well, you know))) That Sean: it's possible somewhere to buy and bring to us, losing a minimum of means? I mean, we have the same cars are not sold...
Slav, there probably lies the RUB, because if you do it through the dealership, he respectively in Germany, therefore the purchase is for a person living in Germany. Further sending to Russia and is likely to be the customs, where going to have to overpay for a car the corresponding amount. So not an option.
Thanks, Bor!) Have been waiting for!)
Awesome it's interesting. What do you think, if you buy a car the same as Estonia or Denmark, or somewhere else where it's cheaper than in Germany...or...well, you know))) That Sean: it's possible somewhere to buy and bring to us, losing a minimum of means? I mean, we have the same cars are not sold...
Numinor85
Why make, except in showrooms impossible cars to order to do?
Once asked the dealer about the simple Chrysler 300c, answered that legally can't put a simple version, is prohibited. Search for gray dealers or deliverers. And there the difference was a 4 cylinder with a velour, or 8 cylinder/4отключающий on the skin and all the packages.
so the dealer thing, but the plant is not important, even though automatic, though the handle will deliver, the main thing to agree about the price of this.)
so there is 100% possibility to order it with the gears at full 100% prepayment
I'm also told that you cannot order allroad A4 with a 3.0 TDI and Tiptronic)
my friend came in Peter to the dealer and ordered by making a 100% payment and after 3.5 months the car was in his garage!
if the machines are generally not allowed with the mechanics of the lineup — Yes, impossible.
about picking it, my model is not available in the top handle. Ku 5 generally the mechanics are proposed.
in any showroom when you make full payment you can order models with a handle. do not enter here all confusing.
Numinor85
Why make, except in showrooms impossible cars to order to do?
you can, in top trim is not available with mechanics in almost all models)
can. only inappropriate. depending on the brand of equipment will have to wait from several months to a year. about Moscow is not talking, at least in the regions it is.
well you have in Europe, can any engine with any transmission to order, not what we have( cause the machine to take
All right, I'm in the comments from below answered that in Denmark the percentage of the purchase of the machine is 230%, that is as you say, at twice the price. And if you read carefully the offer, I wrote the statistics based on 2004 and now we are in 2015, and then for 11 years, Europe has increased the cost of cars in Denmark twice. tin of course, now I know why Denmark is called Cycling country.
I recently worked in Denmark, often traveled to Germany, and in Denmark cars are 2 times more expensive than in Germany, and Estonia are not the cheap machine, for example, in Lithuania almost 2 times cheaper .
It is possible to say, if there were problems with car registration. But this stage I had already passed the look in BJ. No problem, the car is registered to me at all German laws.
Anyway it's the grey scheme, as care can be traced from tax, in such a case, VAT, especially in both the EU!
Car dealerships do not pay for rastamozhka, hence the plus in buying a car outside of Germany. Formally, the German dealers via for example the Czech motor show bought the factory car. The car is going to the Czech Republic, came there and they are there by arrangement to send her to Germany, where the German dealership registers it and sells to the Germans.
um, realized that they somehow muddy with VAT, but it's not quite the idea is that a car is bought the firm, then VAT can be taken away, and then how the owners save, except that the first registration in the country you have no tax?
I don't know all the cars it took. but I think somewhere in the Czech Republic is cheaper. By the rules of the EU machine over 6 months or 6,000 km. is considered to be used.from. and not taxed. Ie can be cheaper to take. Purely personal opinion :)
we can wonder who from personal experience. its took Kurzzeitzulassung which in my case means 3 months the car was at the dealership for subscribed after replacement ПТС1 + the rooms are new. Plus Vorführauto i.e. the exhibition in the salon worth it. Total 3000 discount.😉
No, you search in the same Google ask: EU Fahrzeug and you will automatically a list of dealers who work in this system.
And what to say in the cabin? I want such a car, but get it first in the Czech Republic? Oh that I doubt that will fly))
Apparently in Europe this works if I bought a car in the Czech Republic and drove it in Germany. And so it turns out that the dealership decides these things and how apparently among dealers and customs, rastasmoke no.
It's the interest. perhaps if you import a car from abroad, including from the EU, do not need to pay for customs clearance?
This way I avoided, I still remained in the Czech language. And why do I need 300 Euro to pay when manuals I downloaded in pdf on the phone. And other documents for registration made himself. See BJ=))
Yes such as parsley and here in Switzerland.
By the way, so VAG for me died in as car — monotonous mess.
Forgot to specify that the value of "German" documents from a dealer in Germany about 300EUR (manual, service book, etc are already in the price).
dmelnik
Why buy imported cars, yeah right now they are equal in price, and to serve as domestic labor hour costs 400-500, and imported from 1600 rubles and parts? even the petrol don't forget to fill the need. Butter and to change. Tatneft for 800-900 rubles in it to pour the don't Wake?!
At Samara the ring bosses on the FF2 Tatneft, as there was no place more, drove 300km, and died pump)
dmelnik
Why buy imported cars, yeah right now they are equal in price, and to serve as domestic labor hour costs 400-500, and imported from 1600 rubles and parts? even the petrol don't forget to fill the need. Butter and to change. Tatneft for 800-900 rubles in it to pour the don't Wake?!
I even in our cars not Lil Tatneft))) On the Orient remember the normal hours 900 rubles for owners of Mitsubishi have no warranty
Why buy imported cars, yeah right now they are equal in price, and to serve as domestic labor hour costs 400-500, and imported from 1600 rubles and parts? even the petrol don't forget to fill the need. Butter and to change. Tatneft for 800-900 rubles in it to pour the don't Wake?!
Autohaus can buy a car at a discount in another EU country — when there are discounts and promotions at dealers. But VAT still someone pays. I doubt that you can easily avoid paying VAT. You have the same screenshot rabat (discount)
I too about it thought, for the registration, I wrote to BJ and all paid for 77 euros. it is in your 19% tax? It is unlikely, therefore talk to people and I found out that among avtobusov EU VAT is not taken into account, hence the lower prices.