Budget car is the right choice

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The recording was meant for followers of the blog, but hit the trends Драйв2. In connection with this came a lot of new readers who do not know what is happening and many have created a false impression.
The entry about how the situation in the country changed and forced to choose a new ECONOMICAL car. And with the Grand Cherokee it compares only because this was him and not some other car.
Before you write something in the comments about Polo, please check here with this entry (mid and end) — www.drive2.ru/l/505496348775154823/
There's also the border you will find how and what I chose, I chose, how and why it was suddenly bought this Polo www.drive2.ru/l/504962261001961486/

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The article is written by my son, Qirex-RD, for my blog. It turned out great and as capacious as an article about suburban building — Suburban life instead of the city?
But unlike that, this I read is not recommended. In self-deception to live much easier.

Hi all. It's time for me to write about cars. Just turned up the case — buying the family a new Ford sedan. The car was purchased to replace the previous, for the city of Moscow and for a visit to the country (good roads). Mandatory requirement — only new.
Just in case let me remind you — I am avtoservisne and held services for many years, since childhood.
In this example I will show how to count 2+2 (and many not under force))) ) and at the same time something which will dispel misconceptions.

First, arrange that we are:

adults
— know how to read and count
— capable of adequate and rational thinking
— understand that the car serves us, not we him
— know that gasoline prices over the past 8 years has changed a bit

Everyone else can just go in the comments, because it is already clear where everything goes. :)

Compare the two cars

New:
Volkswagen Polo Drive, 1.6 MPI 110лс, automatic transmission (2018) — here it is

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With what was before him (another no):
Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo (WK) 4WD, 3.7 l 214лс, automatic transmission (2005) — here it is

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And now review potential...

"But how can you compare, it's two completely different car!"

Seriously? I even know why you can't do that yet but will pretend they do not understand what it was about. ;)
Perhaps I'll start with the simplest, price the cars at a certain mileage.

The price of the car for 100 000km+ on the odometer.

Why 100k km? Because it's not a lot but not enough. And the fact that the results of the calculation for fuel for the mileage it is convenient then to divide or multiply when you need to quickly calculate 50K, 150K, 200k km.

Let's take the original prices:
Polo 820 000, new, top of the range. For the record: new 2017 year in the minimum salary with automatic transmission you can get for ~650к.
Jeep — 000r 530, 2005, the minimum equipment and cheaper will not work, it's the bottom of the market. It may seem that it is cheap and that the new budget sedan he's no threat at all, because cars of different classes. But not so simple...

Polo will pass 100k warranty, while the Jeep is guaranteed 100k will not pass and will require substantial repairs transmission and engine... and maybe even transfer case, because the total mileage of 13-year-old car is already big, all worn out.

THE consumables for the 100 000km mileage

At Polo is more expensive because it is out of warranty and it is done at the dealer, but it saves him from sudden repairs. The jeep even though we repaired, but no insurance we have, at any moment something can break and repair will for your money. Yes, and the jeep alone oils 3 times more than the Polo, and he brake likes to eat. In short is possible to equate them and to strike out for convenience.

It is necessary to tell and about the price of rubber, as well as mentioning the exactions of the state.
Count the tires, the same model from the same manufacturer, standard dimensions for each car.

Set of summer tires:
Grand 35 600R
Polo — 13 200p

A set of winter tires:
Of Grand — 45 160r
Polo — 19 640р

Difference (winter+summer) between two cars — 47 920р.

Levies (road tax):
Grand 13 900p
Polo — 2 750r

The difference in levies— 11 150r.

Summary for the money:

The attraction of unprecedented generosity — I propose to equate the two machines, given the significant investment in the Jeep for it to these 100k km was able to overcome and yet it is still on the go after, not just died in the end. Because Polo then another 100k rewind without any problems, so everything has to be fair.
I even close my eyes to the fact that after 100k of mileage, the body of the Jeep is already rotten, will require serious body work and painting almost complete, which will cost more than 200 000.
Of course in reality there is no equality in price to the Jeep fly for a million. But we do believe in fairytales and Santa Claus, right?

Depreciation of both cars I can safely fold, and jeep are all doomed.
Polo slowly depreciates with age and mileage, while the Grand is not much to invest (and invested a lot), he ka was worth 500k and is worth 500k, i.e. money is invested in "the void". He's still gonna rot in addition to finishing the 100k run and get on the market status of "trash". This is perhaps the biggest problem with it.

Someone will say where is the hull from Polo? The difference in levies is half the cost of the franchise on him. Add another 10K and you will be the hull.

There is another word For a loan. In any case! In a typical loan all sorts of Polo and his ilk cost ~200k more expensive than the original cost, then its relevance drops to 0.

Fuel consumption for 100 000 km run

And here the most interesting, because it's the middle of 2018, the year, and we have lived up to the "European level of life", i.e. the fuel costs in the budget class of cars became a priority the price of the car.

Strike a pose.

I'm going to assume for the city, considering the average of the two seasonal consumption (winter + summer).
Note — for track mix, and a loop gap will be the same wild. Where Polo on the road eats 5L, jeep hawala 14L.

Most likely scenario:
Polo — 9 liters per 100km
Jeep — 21 litre per 100km

Worst case scenario:
Polo — 11 liters per 100km
Jeep — 25 litres per 100km

Will be considered by the average between them:
Polo — 10 litres per 100km
Jeep — 23 liters per 100km

Fuel prices in Russia in June 2018. It is not difficult to notice that they changed little over the past 8 years

Will round them for convenience, they still will soon grow:

AI-92 — 42r
AI-95 — 45r

Total:

Jeep Grand Cherokee (AI-92) — 966 000
VW Polo (AI-95) — 450 000

The difference — 516 000

Here is a twist! But who would have thought that big black banger for just 100k km eats 92 octane gasoline for two own the original cost? Though that here to think, it is generally the obvious, that's the only reason I few people such calculations were seen.
Again, because we believe in Santa Claus, for self-deception and soothe the psyche rounded this sum up to exactly 500 000.
Now let's see what we overpaid so much?

Acceleration
The jeep almost 4 liters in volume, V6, power dynamics, dominance in the flow! Let's see...

How many there was up to 100, 11-12s? Speaker the speaker. )))

Let's look on the Polo with the 1.6 automatic and. Fresh video alas is not found, and I own the car running, so we'll settle for 2014, a year when the Polo was slightly less powerful engine CFNA and not CWVA as it is now.

Something I difference with the Jeep do not see the two cars equally NOT COMING, both ~11 seconds to 100. To me all this talk about the alleged dynamics are reminiscent of the choice riders — 520-th BMW body E34, which is up to 100 again slower than the Polo 1.6 on the handle. Lol.

Polo in the city quickly, while the jeep thinks box, Polo had already made a leap forward thanks to the fast modern 6-speed automatic. He literally omskakelaar jeep in the flood.

Somehow jeeps are coming with V8 4.7 l (9 seconds to 100 km\h) or diesel. First you explain that the consumption of 23 litres in the city it is garbage and you can go to all 30 if even a little click. The second you less than 900K (the car is in good condition) when you buy do not get, plus additional service old Mercedes diesel is now on you. He is a good and reliable... but only when new and not when it is already squeezed all the juice but the real mileage under 300K km!

Braking
Polo stops dead in its tracks, the Jeep can't compete. Moreover, if Polo will brake sharply in front of the jeep, that it will just enter.
The city is extremely important to have good brakes, not just to other cars its not obestochivaete, and sudden stops when the wheels on a pedestrian red suddenly fell on the Sunny pedestrian. Unlike the Jeep, Polo your brakes can protect from going to jail. A small thing, right?

Handling
Compact aerodynamic the car is, after all, is customized for highways and high speed (A05 platform as the Audi A1) it is better not to compare with a high and heavy SUV like the Grand Cherokki which back on top of the bridge. Everything for Polo.

Permeability
If you think the Grand Cherokee WK is the big scary SUV — you are mistaken. Direct quote from the official TV advertisement Grand Cherokee (2005) — "The off-road legend continues on road." ("Off-road legend continues on the road.")
This is a great ZJ and its successor WJ were real SUVs, with two bridges, 242-mi razdatki grassroots and high-torque motors. ZJ even met with a manual transmission (the motor 4 liters).

WK 3.7 is a great all-wheel drive wagon with high ground clearance, well, or crossover, call it what you like. He nondisconnectable all-wheel drive (transfer case NV140), long first gear (gaining at 60 km\h) and no down-range. If he fell into the goo and it will instantly burn out the clutch first gear in the box. The maximum that it is safe (for him) it is possible to drive on a snowy road in the winter. Yes, it's working perfectly.
Of course it will pass easily where Polo will be stuck. For the area and cottages this is true, but the city really need a few times a year, but it is necessary to pay constantly, all year round.

If you want real off-road, it's either WJ or the more expensive version of the WK machines, with advanced all-wheel drive systems Quadra - of Tgas II (NV245). But the trouble is that it not only affects the initial price of the machine, but to such age and mileage all of these systems are already the problems begin, because in the WK they are electronic and not mechanical as on the ZJ/WJ, and hence more time in service and more money into maintenance.

Salon
Polo interior is much more ergonomic and thoughtful, although by volume it is less (car-less), space for passengers is more in it, especially in the back. Plus for Polo.

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Homosalate
Although Polo the insulation is adequate, the Jeep she can say exemplary. This parameter can compete with expensive Mercedes, BMW and range Rover goons not only because he has a lot of carpets and vibroprotective, but also double the glass! Against such can compete except that the Passat but not the Polo.

Suspension work
On a good road Polo, for he is not swinging when moving, unlike the Jeep.
On the middle road Polo, for he willingly eats the bumps at speed, again, not swaying at the same time.
On a bad road Jeep, tire size and suspension moves take their toll.

I.e. for most operating conditions (mankind builds the roads are not so simple), the victory over Polo.

Comfortable options
The jeep is the only comfortable option — heated mirrors in the Polo is, almost everything that is in the new cars that are twice as expensive than he is. Here Polo wipes his Jeep floor.

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The trunk
Of course more Grand, although under typical operation, the difference is not noticeable, if every day with him not to carry the washing machine. Roof racks for both cars.

Security
Jeep takes their weight and physical strength, but has a number of design failures in safety — for example punches the head near the temple, the holder of a seat belt at the slightest side impact (what idiot designed it so, what was he thinking?!). The machine is not modern in terms of security.
Polo is smaller and weaker, but makes up for it by modernity and reasonableness. It is commendable in him and that he still is based on the quality of the body and the classic passive safety. He has good results cristescu despite the fact that just two pillows Although a couple would obviously not prevented.
And the performance of the pillows of the Jeep under a small question (not quite adequate behavior of the presence sensor in the passenger seat).
Also speaking of safety, I should probably mention the fact that Polo is much better handling and brakes that can help avoid accidents.
For and against then you can bring 2 pages, but in the end both cars are about equal, each has its own pluses and minuses. A clear winner here.

Reliability and trouble-free
And you can not explain what the new and the known-good machine is different from the 13-year-old with high mileage? Don't even know how by the way, the facts indicate that it could be twisted, as happens with most Used cars.

To summarize:

It turns out that for the extra half a million rubles for fuel, we get better insulation, four-wheel drive, a few centimeters of additional klirinsko and trunk like VAZ 2104. In all other respects while significantly losing.

The result:

Go back to the review at first...

"But how can you compare, it's two completely different car!"

Easy, because all the figures above relate only to standard road operating and leisurely drive. And God forbid you are on this Jeep trample on the roads, this is equivalent to what can go on the Polo track day at Moscow Raceway. Both cars will fall apart into a large sum of money.
So NO difference between these two cars there is two road car for standard civilian use, and they can easily compare, which I did. But I of course did, because the conclusion is sad.

And here is the place I recommend to anyone weak to move away from the screen, because there's the answers to some previously obtained in the logbook Polo comments. I intends to change, keeping the meaning, but those who wrote them still know who they are.)))

Call a spade a spade, do not confuse cars with toys.

"A car is not just a vehicle but a lifestyle! Polo you can not buy!"

All the above written points out that Polo in this case, the car and Jeep can be viewed is as a toy because of the crazy maintenance costs make it a daily operation is meaningless.

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By the way playing with toys is expensive. To prepare this Grand to light the road will cost serious money, well, and then the increased maintenance costs due to high loads. If you have the money — great buy this (or better) and have fun.

And if no money, do not try to deceive anyone buying powerful old trough or some type of SUV, shouting what have you got "the car of the day". Money you have not what to play, and even gas. And it tembolee not necessary to climb with his toys to people with cars to drive and women who serve their masters, not vsasyvanie of money in entertainment.

Again — despite the low initial cost, a used Jeep is a toy not for the poor. 500k price is just the entry ticket, and followed the main investments. This also applies to other large and powerful cars.
Also do not forget about time costs. Any cars toys require a significant time investment, which not all pull. Very often it is even a greater problem than the budget.

For us this toy just was not needed, due to time and the fact that exploitation is a purely urban. Meaning the cost of steel nasopalatine with the recoil and it started really straining.

Followed by variations on the theme of why the jeep is better Polo. I was laughing reading these comments...

Mentally ill

They are certainly EMOTIONAL reason for buying a particular car.

"Polo without a soul is not something that Grand, I would've never went!"

Of course you (who wrote a similar comment) is not going to ride on it because you don't have it, and who have, you know why I bought it — because the car is good.
No difference in "soul" between the Polo and the Grande no, they are equally callous in and of themselves only the owners can animate.
Go to the section car here Драйв2, watching Polo, overcame the Giants, and indeed any other cars and make sure in all of this for yourself.
All the cars that the owners really love them and pay attention to reciprocate. And even the dull buckets are transformed to be a reflection of the style and charisma of the owner.

If the charisma and style, to seek their in a car, and even more and some old trough (I'm not even on the Grand)... you will not find, because they are not there and never was.
Keep in mind that individuals claiming that certain cars have souls, it take Kashchenko!

To seem and not to be

"Jeep prestigious Polo, and no matter what, he's old!"

A favorite in our society, to buy rotten garbage of all kinds and especially necro-premium class, and then from the building itself. The harsh reality is that the gift is not necessary.

Really iconic cars on the fingers to count, and all of them (not in a disgraceful condition) go far beyond the budgets of those two cars (put together!) I then compared the.
Everything else is just rusty or even rotten junk. Get pleasure from these cars, standing in front of them, on his knees, physically — before, economically — backwards.

Dynamics? Well, 25 years ago kind of was. And by today's standards, is already it is not so, and dynamics, and compression 7 in a pair of cylinder capacity not increased. Fear on the road some Polo or Rapid 1.4 T.
Comfort... seriously? In the car which is technically worn out everything, including interior, comfort? Well, not compared to the Lada in similar condition — Yes, perhaps the comfort. Only with the new Solaris don't compare, just in case.
Status? Ie someone seriously thinks that if he managed to buy from a salvage yard a rotten bucket for 5 minutes before it was under pressure, he became the owner of prestigious classic cars and now he's somehow better than the neighbor on the new Logan. Oh really? A niche that Logan is 2-3 times more expensive and benefits society?

And if you drop all this demagoguery, the fuel consumption will put all of these "rarities" from the landfill, to rot under the window. Let's not to deceive anyone, where a person buys a car for 100-150K, and generously invested 50K rubles, "recovery", the money to 15-20 liters of gasoline per hundred? He's got enough there physically, not to mention the appropriateness of this action.

Applies to any car, any conditions and brands. Look at the example of Grand. He is technically sound and is not killed by the trash, but even he at 100k km will eat fuel two own prices! But there are worse ways to go.

P — popabol

From my side it'd be rude not to support the above, a good example of what's right.
The car to which I have access, is a good example of luxury that is worth it.

BMW X5 (F15) 40d M Sport, 313лс, 650Nm, automatic transmission 8 speed, sport line.
The car is M Sport, front — wheel 275/40 R20, rear-wheel — 315/35 R20. This is the way of the rolling resistance, which is contrary to fuel economy.

Consumption during a leisurely drive.

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If you start to put pressure on the city — 11-12 liters per 100 km And the press as you know there is something. Torque the three Gazelles (!) pulling the car up to 100 in 5.9 sec.
In the end, the X5 twice as fast to 100 despite the fact that fuel consumption in monetary terms is more than twice less than the above Grand Cherokee.

What I actually cited this expensive X5? Solely to all intelligent readers visited the idea — time dynamics is missing, maybe even not worth it to pay for her absence? Yes, Yes, I mean about one million rubles that the Jeep and similar "prestige cars" throw in a tube just like that, without results.

R — rationality

"Rationality for old fools, only live once, consumption is not important, you need to buy a cool car and not a boring Polo!"

Romanticizing mindless approach to life — destiny 14-16 year olds. They can be, no claims to him, the main thing that they do not become seaparate and roofers. But when such nonsense are uncle under/over 40, it becomes mildly ridiculous.

Let's see what life you can deprive yourself if we restrict ourselves to primitive judgments about the beautiful and not to be able to count 2+2. What do we have there? 500k on petrol right?

The fact that they can advance to invest in a better car I think no need to explain, let alone the completely toys times it's boring. A few examples...

You can buy a new motorcycle KTM Duke 390, with even money on equipment or a trailer for it will remain.

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Or take a good boat, too, along with the trailer.

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Maybe the new Lada 4x4 for follow-up training her for the real off-road.

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And in General turnkey to build a small but very very good like a house in the country.

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Dozen times to go on cheap all-inklyusiv or 5 times to get somewhere less than budget.

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Well, in the end, if imagination quite tight, then back buy a Jeep.)))

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That turned out to be that "boring" Polo is not boring at all. Dough to save on a lot of fun, instead of just to burn as fuel.
No matter how is called your "Polo" — Solaris, Rio, Logan, Grant, Duster (diesel) or any other economically viable machine, new or Used doesn't matter.
The main thing that they all worked for the benefit of YOU and not Vice versa, expanding your possibilities in comparison with other, less dengkefang options.

To be rather than to seem

I hope you understood everything correctly. In no case do not impose what car is right for you (this is a great explain for me, in the comments ;) ). You choose it yourself, this is what you need. I just showed in the illustrative examples, how big can be the difference in suboptimal choice.

My recommendation:
Cars, times and situations are constantly changing. In the budget segment (new or Used — does not matter), pay particular attention to fuel consumption, because now, for most cases, it was decisive.
Of course not buy anything in the "standard credit", because then you not to consumption will not save even 2 liters/100 km.
Always make only informed choices, carefully tracking what you actually get for your money, clearly thinking through and calculating EVERYTHING. Only a conscious choice opens up additional opportunities in life and allows you to be rather than to seem!

If you liked it and you want more material on the topic of informed choice of the car, there is some useful thinking — Why do I go for the pelvis

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