Why do I pour oil 504/507 tolerance and advise you
The text is written in the summer of 2015 updated January 2017
Let's hollivar...Again about the oil))) primarily concerned with owners of vehicles of the VAG group, but others will be useful. Japanophiles can not even read)))
Lately I see a large number of "house theorists" have in mind has developed a certain "trash" from what has been written in a network of other "sofa experts". Foaming at the mouth and those and others talk about the quality of gasoline, the brand of oil which must be poured into the engines. etc. in relation to motor oil, you can often hear that the seller of oil is recommended, the dealer said, a good friend a thousand times so did, etc. In the circle of Vagovagal often the debate is about what to pour into the engine — 502/505 or 504/507? In this case, from a professional point of view, few have tried to understand whether this is so. Recently re-stumbled upon an interesting discussion, quite long and chaotic, but it spurred me to write this post to arrange for myself and many others on all the points i.
I see a steady trend of praise 502/505 oil in various blogs and videos. Fry some butter in spoons and mugs, which in itself is absurd. The main message — it supposedly cleans the engine better, lubricate better, more adapted to our gasoline, which we have terrible bad and in the end, it recommends that VAG. Indeed, in developing countries like Russia, India and China recommended 502/505 tolerance and conditionally not recommended 505.01 and 504/507 and here's why. Latest oil belong to the category of Low SAPS with low content of sulfur, phosphorus and sulfated ash. These oils have a low base number. Neutralizes alkali formed in the combustion process acid. But if fuel is of poor quality, then acids are formed too much oil produces a resource base number very quickly.
What do you mean poor quality fuel? Frankly is nebrendirovannoj filling stations procuring gasoline in the middle of nowhere and some oil companies that produce gasoline Euro-4 from power and counter the rise of this standard. All the time you run your horse on these? Then you can stop reading here and pouring 502 or mineral water, but I, like many others, never refuel at such gas stations.
Next, head over to the official website of the company Lubrizol
Few people know this name, however, Lubrizol is in the business of supplying additives to manufacturers of autos in the world. Additives produce only 4 companies in the world — one of the most famous names Lubrizol. The company has an extensive research base.
On the left, choose Passenger car. In the tab select Volkswagen Specifications tolerance first 504(2012)/507(2004), then 502(2005)/505(2010) and compare the obtained results on the graph-the web. The chart shows the properties of each of the tolerances in question wear, deposits, savings, etc.
On the attached image comparing oils with tolerances 502/505 and 504/507. The more coverage the better.
1. Soot thickening — particulate sediments
2. Wear — General wear
3. Sludge — the sludge (thick mud)
4. Piston deposits — carbon deposits in piston
5. Thickening Oxidative — antioxidative properties
6. Fuel economy — fuel economy
7. Aftertreatment compabillity — compatible with diesel particulate catalyst
I.e., the tolerance 502/505 oil is clearly inferior oil 504/507 in all respects and at many times. In the diagram professional assessments on the 502/505 oil is generally no such thing as compatibility with catalyst, fuel economy, and antioxidant properties — and the latter operate on the adherents of 502/505 oil. Paradox?
But special attention I would have placed the figure of "Wear and tear". If you fill your car at the pump are known quality gasoline of Euro-5, where a low sulfur content, then I will do under any circumstances is not advised to use oil 502/505 — too little performance or resource. Take any can of any manufacturer with a high probability of tolerance 502/505 will be there, and not only on sintetica. It is too simple conditions for obtaining this permit.
Technician as an alternative, you can use the 505.01 oil category, where the differences are smaller, they also match the category of Low saps, i.e., no catalyst, no DPF filter won't harm you.
504/507 is the hard admission to date of all the oils produced in the world, and if the oil got this tolerance, it is worthy to dabble in engines of any car. Even the tolerances BMW LL-04 MB229.52, despite the relative freshness where something does not hold.
In comparison with the BMW LL-04
In 2016 at Daimler (Mercedes-Benz), a number of new permissions, one of which is a very "harsh" MB229.71, which only began a little to exceed the admission requirements of the VW 504/507. But no oil with such requirements I do not see. The Internet is also not know about them
Compared to MB229.52
The disadvantage is also there — almost all 504/507 oil viscosity 5w30. No matter what, I would not recommend to ride a 504/507 oil more than 8-10 thousand km, and on the 502/505 especially. Even if you are a hard-nosed skeptic, and I believe that the official wish us well when they say every 15 thousand miles to change the oil, and that is enough, then 504/507 more likely to have a living oil in the crankcase. While 502/505 can work with already 7-8 thousand km ago. No wonder Toyota, even with no turbodiesel, has an official limit-10 thousand km, however, I understand the position Volvo all new turbo engines have rules of replacement of 20 thousand km. Smart owners have reduced this term at least twice, but most in fact do as prescribed. Besides pour liquid 0w20. However, it is a General trend of manufacturers to pour the oil thinner in the latest not terminallerinin engines to achieve profitability and sustainability.
I hope that what I have described here will help you decide what to pour in your engine, but not impose their opinions.
PS a Small addition a year later. Lots of opinions there about the use of oil that is initially VW 502/505 and has different tolerances, MB, BMW, Dexos, which is almost completely filled with oil not covered 502/505 area. I have nothing against this method, dear driveway Lefravi explained it in his blog, but there too there are subtleties. Still, for durability, for hours of almost any 504/507 will surpass the "relatively best" 502/505.
P. P. S. also, the wide spread begins to obtain a permit to VW 508/509, which develops a group of lubricants for modern VAG cars with engines of EURO IV and EURO V capable of working with low quality fuel in the countries where VW forbids the use of oils standard VW 504 00/507 00. In Russia, these oils also appeared in 2018.
cap4to
Perhaps) but who knows for sure)?
Someone has done research or maybe test))...
In Murzilka like 10w40, but when it was written)? Then oil the most part had not yet been invented)))
And then, in my opinion, the viscosity and temperature are not the same.
Yeah, maybe they're somewhere around here, but still...
Murzilka is only a translation and clearly not for the Siberian conditions)))) And I have -30 for Hello day after day)))) heating no car on the street, I say, 5w30 even our "everyday" -30 feels quite sharply))))) it would not pelted with tomatoes...just Shh)))but I do my best thinking about winter^^
So every crochet as he wants))))
And I have in fact now 5w30 normal flight)))) something like this))))
Well, if the day -30 through day)) Try 0W-40 502.00 safely!) I think his "eyes" will be))
Addinol, Valvoline, Mobil... I Think they are even cheaper gastrolavage 504.00/507.00 requirements will cost You)
And better bear runs in these temperatures ;)
drive2tiguan
Now from the little oil that kordinalno depends. The current General trend of construction of motor — resource of 100-300 thousand km and the engine in the trash. Compared to the teeth — it is useless to treat the teeth, if the roots are rotten!
On my old Viano 2.2. Mileage 400tysyach.km was covered 5.40. The last time I filled 5.30 tolerance 229.51 . 10 000 km gram of oil is not eaten really poured oil GIOIL
Good times! I want to add my 5 cents. On our favorite OYL club appeared test testing the oil on the audi q5, which showed better result than all of us favorite oil is mobil1 esp 5w-30. Called oil motul 504/507 — I personally think that this is an indirect proof of your reasoning! Thanks for the article, I like it too, very much.
www.google.ru/search?q=mo...VCCSwKHVEHBMgQrQIIUigEMAE
Here it is interesting to read how one lives it
There are many unknown factors — how and where is it used gasoline, which motor, operating mode, etc.
Galucci
This assumes that good quality fuel EURO-4 go 600 hours, but that's too optimistic
I watched humanality testing M1ESPFormula5w30 Ollab'e have seen that in the 504 gasoline engine lasts 170 hours, then TBN=TAN, then to go on this impossible!
You diagonally all read and are now trying to present the final conclusions are quite the opposite, funny logic.
Galucci
One thing is clear — what is the one oil fits all requirements do not exist, but we can thus find the most suitable to our requirements.
The main requirement is that the oil does not leave deposits! What is actually the problem many owners of VAG. What tolerance is already a secondary question))
Yes, most likely they shifter as it is to grunt that there was (don't know how to explain it) the engine had not been heard in the cabin. What I was disappointed relative to the Erad, probably better proven over the years Мобил1 0 40 poured.
What's not to like? Noise hijiki or at all? It is very subjective. Once the experiment was conducted, thought my motor is quieter than a friend, measured a sound level meter is the same.
Yes, like new motor — 3011 km, but they say the oil is consumed as a Lada 79 year without capitali... Yes, even worse if blogs similar machines here on the Drive to read all you can sell immediately)).
I filled on the recommendations of the local inhabitants Liqui Moly Synthoil High Tech 5w-30 (9076) Tolerance: API: CF/SM, ACEA C3, VW: 502 00/505 01, say synthetic PAO and didn't like the way the motor on it works, after Castrol EDGE Professional VW LongLife III 5W30 which the purchase was drenched and paranoid me))
You as a person is more versed in the topic of oil please tell me, this oil has a poor compatibility with elastomers (rubber seals) how critical is it for the motor and if the engine runs noisier than on HC-synthetic oil (3 groups) of which the majority now, does this mean that the engine is increased wear of the rubbing parts?
GorkyHaBkyc
many do not agree with anything.
"502/505-existent concepts such as compatibility with catalyst, fuel economy, and antioxidant properties — and the latter operate on the adherents of 502/505 oil, which on oxidation and not even tested" — required test, and 502, and 504, the test PV1449. And in General many evaluations in the web is exaggerated in favor of "environmentally friendly" tolerances. For example, the only significant test for compatibility with the catalysts is present only for the admission of API SN (for volatile phosphorus).
That is, if I put oil in the motor (VW CWVA) classification SM not SN, that my catalyst will the end come?..
NNFF
I recommend everyone to just read the sections about the oil in the journal bmwservice.livejournal.com.
To clarify, finally, the truth about additives, oils, marketing, the "oil burning" and many other things.
Countryman, read it definitely.
While your post is not much different from noodles marketers with these additives.
Also I used to read this blog that reputable made very dubious statements such as our gasoline is no worse than the European, drip Proba — nonsense, and better water nothing. Over time, Smirnov has made to the list of people whose opinion should be interested to do the opposite.
Use already the second replacement of the oil X-Clean FE 5w30 very happy. In principle, I think nothing bad will happen if flood 504/507 X-Clean+ 5w30.
In principle there is nothing wrong tolerances, oil 504/507 one of the most resistant to wear and tear, your engine is not so much killing him as turbocharged tsi
Good article thank you! Here only interested in the question of whether this oil with a tolerance of 504/507 pouring in the Opel Astra-H engine Z18XER (hot)? Friend gave a can of Motul 8100 X-Clean+ 5w30, I look at her and all in thought!
On the contrary, TSI is a detrimental effect on any oil))) It quickly wears out. So it makes sense to pour more resistant to wear and tear and destruction of oil.
Galucci
In principle there is nothing wrong tolerances, oil 504/507 one of the most resistant to wear and tear, your engine is not so much killing him as turbocharged tsi. This comment confused ! So the oil that I have indicated with a tolerance of 504 detrimental effect on tsi or not)))?! 😊
Good day, good article, but I don't quite understand about turbocharged engines?! I have a Skoda Octavia 1.8 t 2013 with mileage 105000км, only took... Want to fill Motyul with 5W30 504/ 507 tolerance! I understand it's the same thing?! Certainly not following the advice of a dealer 502 tolerance. By the way the previous owner poured down.
Good day! Great article! I just today saw that yesterday filled VAG 5W30 504/507 tolerance. And a little upset that I saw this setting! The previous owner was pouring Castrol 5W30 with a tolerance of 502. And I've already read that it is for the TSI motors need to pour 502 tolerance. Otesgo 8 thousand, see. But You reassured me!
Immediate replacement through full 2tys km, will Try the vag 504/507. Interest in how pagedata oil!
Analysis-analysis, but in everyday conditions it is not available. Never seen a transparent oil, it usually darkens after a thousand mileage. Any
that show drop test of if these oils almost nothing launder, it is clear that it will be transparent) and burn is not an indicator. Only a full analysis can show the result of this analysis shows that the oil quickly worked
Yes, even 10 euros, in some sort of Germany he will conform to the standards Euro-2. how long will it 504 tolerance? besides, with our climate and conditions?
each article is of course hard and I don't like to bring negativity to someone's work, but then I'm sorry too... What nafig LP 504 tolerance? why mislead people to enter these texts and pictures? the slurry worked in the turbo engine to 5тысячам. more acid than alkali to such mileage, due to which it keep going? People, you at least take the time to see what oils are "strong" and poured in a sports car! and pay attention to tolerances! all are paleosalinity with high alkaline and a rich additive package! at 504 a tolerance of only plus - not so much clog the catalyst and.largely depends on fuel. For comparison, take a look at the analysis zarekomendovala 502-nd mobile 0в40 and 504 mobile 5в30 cap
And sometimes the owners pour oil perfectly without tolerances. Yes, many modern oils simply do not indicate such, as, in fact, it is an innovation or feature of concern VAG.
You can even mineral to drive and spindle oil - and the engine too, nothing will happen for some time)))
Based on my observations say that it is possible to use oil with both tolerance and no tolerance, important to look at the quality of the oil. Well, to consider the recommendations of the manufacturer specified in the book manual for your car.
It's too bold statement. 504/507 is most often made on the basis of PAO (group IV) in combination with esters (V), AN (VI) or hydrocrackate high purity (III). Whereas 502 on the basis of III or II+III groups — that is, initially the base is much worse, because stupidly cheaper. Plus evaporation less, and hence waste.
In 504/507 anti-wear additives, is partially replaced by organic matter and not turn into "ash". The majority of 504/507 oils have even more additives.
And in General runs a lot more tests that 502 does not pass at all.
502.505 and 504/507 is simply a marketing trick of the concern, in order to distinguish itself from others, such as GM — DEXOS2 specification is. But still the owners pour in j-emulsie the car a totally different oil, and nothing "bad" happens.
NNFF
I recommend everyone to just read the sections about the oil in the journal bmwservice.livejournal.com.
To clarify, finally, the truth about additives, oils, marketing, the "oil burning" and many other things.
Countryman, read it definitely.
While your post is not much different from noodles marketers with these additives.
These comrades of BMW service as the result of the experiments got what the world's best oil — mineral — burns without a trace.
The more synthetic additives, the more of a Deposit.
Are you ready to shed in your car for a soda?
Eugene generally very smart and competent surveys for oil and related topic, it's here too, somewhere wrote your review.
Webs the webs, and I recently discovered that some of the oils from 504 tolerance have no tolerance API. Do any...
And here is a wonderful article www.drive2.ru/b/2493019/ in which I write that the 504th tolerance reglamentary phosphorus content in General...
But API SN in contrast to the SM reglamentary still and the evaporation of the phosphorus...
And oils having 504+SN at all times-two and obchelsya...
Ie, it's not so easy with this 504-m katalizatora-ability to kept the tolerance.
Galucci
Each company bother as you can))), for some reason, PAO unable to get a 504 tolerance. And how much are they each?
Could not or did not want, may not need two of these oils?
Galucci
Each company bother as you can))), for some reason, PAO unable to get a 504 tolerance. And how much are they each?
And don't confuse "unable" and "Not wanted".
Galucci
Top Tech 4200 has a formal permit of the VW second Synthoil High Tech does not, then Liquidated, Molly drew it yourself — the list can be found here:
502-505 — www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rc...RQ&bvm=bv.113943665 d.bGs
504-507 — www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rc...v.113943665 d.bGs&cad=rja
All these tolerances are for ordinary people, which is 90% of the total weight.
Galucci
The tests don't show that there is 100% PAO www.oil-club.ru/forum/top...-mb-2293-vw-502505/page-4
I don't need to explain anything.I read a lot and carefully.No weighty argument for 504 tolerance, in addition to graphs(web from Lubrizol).Half of the test 502 is simply not passed, and the test conditions for admission 504 was close to the light modes of operation.504 European tolerance initiated by environmentalists and marketing experts, but not engineers.Policy the use of oil is almost a religion(belief without evidence).All the best to You!
Don't want to explain for the umpteenth time — what, why and how. Once again, read the above written. It is not right, but somewhere closer to the present. If briefly — 502 is a legacy admission, like a classic naturally aspirated engine for a 92-octane gasoline with a high sulfur content with his intake system, release, etc.
Galucci
The tests don't show that there is 100% PAO www.oil-club.ru/forum/top...-mb-2293-vw-502505/page-4
I have compared him.the composition of the oils taken from, you respected, oil-club.Well, what did I see?Cuts two times a package of calcium, phosphorus and zinc(you have to understand what these elements of the periodic table answer).Due to this and the ash content below.Again, I think in favor of the environmentalists.Boron is present at 502,at 504 it was not, and no.What kind of unknown supertopos(504/507)?:-).
Galucci
The tests don't show that there is 100% PAO www.oil-club.ru/forum/top...-mb-2293-vw-502505/page-4
In short, I feel, without a global conspiracy of automakers and manufacturers of additives have not done:-)
The tests don't show that there is 100% PAO www.oil-club.ru/forum/top...-mb-2293-vw-502505/page-4
You did not understand me.Admission is just simply a marketing ploy for car manufacturers.It's not a bad source of income.And that Top Tec 4200 (HC) Sinthoil more High Tech(PAO), we conclude:"Clearance 504 ahrenenno which way".Buy good people hydrocracking at a price more expensive than RAO.
Top Tech 4200 has a formal permit of the VW second Synthoil High Tech does not, then Liquidated, Molly drew it yourself — the list can be found here:
502-505 — www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rc...RQ&bvm=bv.113943665 d.bGs
504-507 — www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rc...v.113943665 d.bGs&cad=rja
Immediately can not answer about the price, but I know one thing that any tolerance - it is a marketing ploy, like sunflower oil write "no cholesterol":-).Well, clearly oil on PAO(even 20-30%) will be a bit higher in performance than gidrokrekinga oil(semi-synthetic(from "NOT synthetic"). We must not look at tolerance, but rather on him.the composition of the oil.IMHO.
Each company bother as you can))), for some reason, PAO unable to get a 504 tolerance. And how much are they each?
LIQUI MOLY hike washed-up, obsolete motors company.No 504/507 tolerance:-), except for the Top Tec 4200 (HC), which, as you say, certainly better than Synthoil High Tech(PAO).:-).
Read all the comments.Oh, how many contradictions in your words.Well, okay, for the suckers descend.
Does not matter, since the greater part of the urban operation I would change once a year.
The wife's car "of the day" for the year comes over no more than 4000-5000 km. How to change the oil at mileage 7500 km or strictly a year of operation? Oil castrol 5w30 ll.
Got a little smart...
G12, G13, and so on. Ohlajdauche
The brake is marked DOT4, DOT5...
The main point of technical liquid develop with cars. Antifreeze have not G11 and G12, and G13 now, gasoline 98/100 and 92 only for old engines, the oil is not mineral water — a technically complex product as 504/507. But regularly there are comrades who think, and let the old fashioned way — pouring Mineralogy in turbotweak to refill his 92-m, to treat a sore throat with potassium permanganate, conjunctivitis tea, etc.)))
Well 504 is still better. Like a quarterback on the course.
502 is like a pensioner with viagra
A million times already, these webs were Razgulyai, and the meaning that the coating 502 is no, because different tests, and some tests are not conducted at all and there is no webs coverage.
Okay, then a question, the engine 1.4 TDI with pump-nozzle 2008 GW, tolerance is 505.01, catalic cut, just pouring 502/507 oil and not bother? Thanks in advance)
Andrej3132
Good evening I would like to ask your opinion . Audi a4 b8 2.0 TDI CAGA, mileage is 250 tons, oil change, make 9-10 thousand, from the date of purchase pour Motul Specific 504/507 5W-30 , like all satisfied with the 10 t top up 200-300 GRM, recently advised me Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 , like better protects the engine, or Motul 8100 X-CLEAN+ 5W-30
Interested in the experience of using these oils, or the advice of a good oil
I would be grateful for reviews and informatsyyu . Thank you
Alternative to. Specific — Texaco Pro-Ds V 5-30 same tolerance 504, a good oil from a renowned manufacturer.
Texaco vag 502 5-40.
At the Mobil esp we have a negative experience, but God knows, maybe the forgery was
But the other engines, the TSI solely because of the nature of
If the oil is enough, why change it?))) Used Motul and Mobil, on gasoline of course. I have formed the opinion that Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 will be better and more consistent. You can try it if you are not satisfied — you can return.
Good evening I would like to ask your opinion . Audi a4 b8 2.0 TDI CAGA, mileage is 250 tons, oil change, make 9-10 thousand, from the date of purchase pour Motul Specific 504/507 5W-30 , like all satisfied with the 10 t top up 200-300 GRM, recently advised me Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 , like better protects the engine, or Motul 8100 X-CLEAN+ 5W-30
Interested in the experience of using these oils, or the advice of a good oil
I would be grateful for reviews and informatsyyu . Thank you
the engine developed under the oil? Kamon. How would you react, for example, to that manufacturer for the same engine recommends over the years, different oil? The engine was designed once, and the tolerance is varied.
It's all crap, it is necessary to pour the oil, under which developed the engine. The conclusion from my own experience, to your 4.2, I first Lil original 504, then Castrol 502, mobile 504, and then in the end came to the 502 RAVENOL (but! He's special, t freezing -52), here on this RAVENOL engine (remember, fsi) is quieter, for me it is a sufficient indicator of the milking comparisons. A rattle in 4.2 trust there is nothing.
Not really, the design flaws of the engine CFNA in this case, no relation to the oil do not have, though Bardal in him lay.
Thanks for the article, 504/507 is the concern about ecology and not about your engine. The nudo oils are judged by the mining and not the pictures on the European advertising booklets, fuel we are not European.
Then Lily original VW 504
Kapitalka on 30000км
vwts.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=201365&st=0
Dmytro8
Strange turns. On one hand, you cite data from charts of Lubrizol with an incomprehensible scale, on the other hand say that vw and its recommendation 15 thousand service — evil. So we believe the manufacturer or not? Or do we believe somehow selectively? For example, the way we measure "excessive wear"?
And if there in the manual VW recommendations to reduce the interval with the * owing to the severe conditions?
Even if not, in any case, 99% of the engine out the entire warranty period.
Dmytro8
Strange turns. On one hand, you cite data from charts of Lubrizol with an incomprehensible scale, on the other hand say that vw and its recommendation 15 thousand service — evil. So we believe the manufacturer or not? Or do we believe somehow selectively? For example, the way we measure "excessive wear"?
he nutal a bit, read my comments above, do we want to go but it is very long and dreary, but so breaking anything is possible!
Not as critical as the clearances in the bearings and performance of the oil pump, depending on viscosity, plus masakali but it's all interconnected and has five working clearances the nominal clearances are two different things relative to piston rings.
well, respectively, if the pump and bearings of the crankshaft is calculated on 30 viscosity and Chu will be done by this viscosity.
RedStriker
As far as I understand, the film thickness and vsyakosti matches including the gaps of the internal combustion engine to ensure a steady oil wedge, which actually provides protection ( separation of friction pairs)
Yes, but mostly the bearing clearance and performance oil pump.
That anything it meets. Take 0W-40, 0W-30, 5W-40, 5W-30 and they comply with all clearances. From Ford Model T to the hottest BMW. If only the additive package does not precipitate :)
Urano84
Well, excellent oil, but the protection it will never provide such as this kind of oil 5-40 www.amsoil.com/shop/by-pr...-oil-5w-40/?code=DEOQT-EA
the film is thinner at the cap
As far as I understand, the film thickness and vsyakosti matches including the gaps of the internal combustion engine to ensure a steady oil wedge, which actually provides protection ( separation of friction pairs)
Urano84
Well, excellent oil, but the protection it will never provide such as this kind of oil 5-40 www.amsoil.com/shop/by-pr...-oil-5w-40/?code=DEOQT-EA
the film is thinner at the cap
He has no tolerance at all VW)))
GM. I have a question: you use full-flow oil filter, which is clean oil. Then show traces (that is traces!) metals in oil analysis? And how can you compare two oils at the burn-in parameters? Type Norm: maximum permissible metal content "And" working out is "X" mg. Мобил1ЕСП after run in training is X/3 mg, and the oil "LUKOIL for $ 100" in the same run gives X/2 mg. We say Luke is worse Мобил1ЕСП better. Cool logic.
Norm of haemoglobin in blood for male 130-160 g/l. you Have the 130, I have 160. I'm better than you? My blood is cooler? No! This figure, which says that if falls into the normal cool, if not gets the bad oil. You can't compare oils at the burn-in parameters. This is nonsense! I'll throw in fresh butter 50gr of steel wool in the pan. That will show the results of oil analysis through a 50km? Will show anything? Or to hell in the filter will and it will be the new oil? You know?
Dmytro8
Damn. What kind of protection are you talking about? How to measure you? You met somewhere two of the same motor that is in even remotely equal intervals was serviced (oil change, air fillrow for motorcycl) and one easterly and the other not? Or what to protect and why and from whom?
Protection can be judged by the amounts of various metals in waste oil and Мобил1ЕСП at the height of it according to Alclub
Dmytro8
And from what zhor? The reasons common at least two valve seals (there is no connection at all with the oil that flowed into the engine), stuck rings (here specifically the role played by the oil). Two oils of the same manufacturer may be different additive packages and one can stain the motor, the other is not.
Apparently many or all of the oil with a tolerance of 504 have similar, maybe even identical additive package. But this is not accurate :)
I'm talking only about the TSI engines, as well as work with them. For that motor 5-30 504 better, as evidenced by our observations and practice.
You're talking about oils with exceptionally viscous characteristics, the other parameters in this statement are not taken into account.
504 tolerance has a lower coefficient of evaporation according to the documentation, there is not only the viscosity is important, the formulations differ. In practice, and the working temperature of these oils is very different. There is a oil temperature sensor is, you can see everything clearly.
Noack talking about? Better? In the Noack test the oil is good — it's the worst. Nonsense said? Let's see. Thick oil is always occuring, right? See what he says about this ASTM test is progressive: "The more motor oils vaporize, the thicker and heavier they become, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economyand increased oil consumption, wear and emissions." The more evaporates (and the first to evaporate, obviously, the most light fraction), the type, the thicker the film (and thicker oil), the worse the circulation, the more gasoline and oil auto eats, more wear. Obviously a bad(?) "thickened" SAE60 oil automatically becomes in this test the winner — it before the test is... the best. Bingo.
Dmytro8
And from what zhor? The reasons common at least two valve seals (there is no connection at all with the oil that flowed into the engine), stuck rings (here specifically the role played by the oil). Two oils of the same manufacturer may be different additive packages and one can stain the motor, the other is not.
TSI motors are hot, have high operating temperature of the oil. High T leads to accelerated degradation of the oil. A higher viscosity is further affected by the growth temperature. This is all clearly observable.
As 504 tolerance is a better indicator Noack (evaporation), here's the prerequisites for sakatsuka miledistance drainage. To 100 thousand km 70-80% of these DVS at 502 tolerance produce consumption.oil liter per thousand km of Such statistics.
Dmytro8
And from what zhor? The reasons common at least two valve seals (there is no connection at all with the oil that flowed into the engine), stuck rings (here specifically the role played by the oil). Two oils of the same manufacturer may be different additive packages and one can stain the motor, the other is not.
+ the quality of the oil. These motors are very demanding
Zhor from the Chu construction and mode of operation , the problems with malatjalian. Specifically at TSI
And from what zhor? The reasons common at least two valve seals (there is no connection at all with the oil that flowed into the engine), stuck rings (here specifically the role played by the oil). Two oils of the same manufacturer may be different additive packages and one can stain the motor, the other is not.
Dmytro8
Damn. What kind of protection are you talking about? How to measure you? You met somewhere two of the same motor that is in even remotely equal intervals was serviced (oil change, air fillrow for motorcycl) and one easterly and the other not? Or what to protect and why and from whom?
I have an example with a slightly different theme. Two colleagues who live nearby at the same time I bought the 1.8 TSI. route to work is the same, filling the same. One 502 5-40 makarora to 120 thousand litre per thousand, another at 120 and 150 makarora never came. 504 5-30.
But the first rashkavar and then traveled for on 504 5-30. While there is no problem.
All generally true but you forgot about the base oil is not unimportant what it is. The package itself!
Cool. Any oil being a liquid is not compressed in any way. The simplest transformer is not compressed exactly the same as the most advanced synthetics. And the engine oil for lubrication. Spoiled only by the products of combustion of the fuel. If the additive package is crappy — and even stain dviglo winning additive package. And access to a side at all.
So. And what does this mean? I must confess that I hear he's dezelic in one and in another case, and direct much of a difference do not hear. But even if we assume that the difference in sound is. What does this mean? How is this even affects what the oil in the engine need?
Dmytro8
Oil from the oil? Or the motor from the motor? I mean that is where the wear and tear that so choose the oil just to be on the analysis of the wear was not 1 gram of 200 kg and 0.89 g. Ask on the forehead: why would I butter superfood category and than I pausing bad? Where my engine wear out from this super-mega bad and cheap hydrocracy? The number of acidic, alkaline, vegetable, whatever. Wear where?
here on this oil
Oil from the oil? Or the motor from the motor? I mean that is where the wear and tear that so choose the oil just to be on the analysis of the wear was not 1 gram of 200 kg and 0.89 g. Ask on the forehead: why would I butter superfood category and than I pausing bad? Where my engine wear out from this super-mega bad and cheap hydrocracy? The number of acidic, alkaline, vegetable, whatever. Wear where?
Damn. What kind of protection are you talking about? How to measure you? You met somewhere two of the same motor that is in even remotely equal intervals was serviced (oil change, air fillrow for motorcycl) and one easterly and the other not? Or what to protect and why and from whom?
Well, excellent oil, but the protection it will never provide such as this kind of oil 5-40 www.amsoil.com/shop/by-pr...-oil-5w-40/?code=DEOQT-EA
the film is thinner at the cap
For example the last part of the Mobil ESP — there is a high alkaline and admission 504:
154279 — Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 1L
154285 — Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 4L
Galucci
Everything is clear there, read again. The testing of oils for compliance with the prerogative of the certification bodies. Service 15 thousand km a conditional evil, because it does not take into account the individual characteristics of operation, it is better to consider the suitability of the oil for hours.
There are oils that for example in a diesel engine has about 25,000 miles or 700 hours, in the goal of they live less than 15,000 miles or 700 hours, but then I would have relied on the watch.
Dmytro8
I'm here to what. You really believe that the Bay 504/507 in your engine Bay and you will be able 502/505 at least some nanolaboratory method to see any difference outside of measurement error? No, really. I'm not talking about the difference in the times at the cobweb in the "fuel economy". About the only metals in the form of oxide — pleased. That is a "wear and tear" means corrosive wear under the impacts of acid? I thought this is due to the friction of metal-to-metal. Then it could be unrealistic alkaline to make oil and oxidized it to 100ткм. I think the oil ages a few other criteria
Practice shows that in the MSC DIC vag 1.8-2.0 TSI on admission 504 5-30 do not suffer ( or does not suffer) by makarora unlike 502 5-40. That's where the visible difference. DD will not say(( but it is in principle not so important. Replacement piston for maslaguru comes early
Dmytro8
that is not the same. You asked "I'm not talking about the difference in the times at the cobweb in the "fuel economy"". What you said above? "The economy is influenced by many factors...". So that means in the cobweb economy to 0 for 502/505 and as much as 5 for 504/507?
efficiency 0 for 502/505 means for getting the admission tests no is not provided, since not necessary for 502.
the same thing about compatibility with diesel particulate filters.
believe. Proto you train on the basis of their reasoning. Can standard oil fuel economy 10000 and 10005 other :)
I don't know, it's a figure that known to those who created these standards. I am not its developer.
that is not the same. You asked "I'm not talking about the difference in the times at the cobweb in the "fuel economy"". What you said above? "The economy is influenced by many factors...". So that means in the cobweb economy to 0 for 502/505 and as much as 5 for 504/507?
You confuse warm with soft. Do you have conventional oil in it add the package and the output 502, more added -504, it is not so.
summarizing the last two answers: 504/507 better than 502/505 so that the latter is worse basis than the first. In fact, any other method to feel the difference in the specific car it is impossible.
"Ie oil tolerance is clearly inferior 502/505 oil 504/507 in all respects and at many times. In the diagram professional assessments on the 502/505 oil is generally no such thing as compatibility with catalyst, fuel economy, and antioxidant properties — and the latter operate on the adherents of 502/505 oil. Paradox?
But special attention I would have placed the figure of "Wear and tear". If you fill your car at the pump are known quality gasoline of Euro-5, where a low sulfur content, then I will do under any circumstances is not advised to use oil 502/505 — too weak performance and resource."
Well, you understand. In fact, "Paradox" and "marketing". You wrote that the package of additives to fuel economy, especially in such a scale, is not relevant. Oh, I thought you'd have this issue sorted out
Something I was tired already with you))) mineral water will not pass the test no 502 or 504 even more, then think for yourself what belongs to what. Lubrizol here and. It demands tolerance and all, nothing more! Lubrizol just allows us to understand.
the same basis is not something that makes Lubrizol. The web that has no relation, even as to the admission
The efficiency is influenced by many factors, in relation to the oil viscosity — for example 0w20 as well as the base oil. Compared to mineral water, polysynthetic can save up to 2-3% of fuel, and synthetics average of about 5%. Consider that 502 is hydrocrack typically, a 504 — hydrocrack+PAO, etc., or pure synthetic. The latter, by the way — a little.
I'm here to what. You really believe that the Bay 504/507 in your engine Bay and you will be able 502/505 at least some nanolaboratory method to see any difference outside of measurement error? No, really. I'm not talking about the difference in the times at the cobweb in the "fuel economy". About the only metals in the form of oxide — pleased. That is a "wear and tear" means corrosive wear under the impacts of acid? I thought this is due to the friction of metal-to-metal. Then it could be unrealistic alkaline to make oil and oxidized it to 100ткм. I think the oil ages a few other criteria
The metals can be in fine state, in theory after the fall of the alkaline, resulting in the testing of acid can eat up some metal, but then they will slightly be present in the form of oxide (salt). I do not understand why you all these details?
Stupid test sets a standard in some laboratory engine, most likely even a single-stroke, which uniformly grind a lot of hours. Rest in real life — depends on the design of the engine car, its materials, the technical condition and loads. There was a "Golden" little lay, but if the engine is raped and raped, the wear will go. Even if to change the oil after every race.
Catch the thought — in the course of the test VW 502/505 requirements quite easily pass a oil and 504/507 — only more complex composition. This post is just a rational study and choose for yourself what oil to use. God forbid, if you thought that someone imposed as a dogma.
DD: what about the oil filter? If I throw a bolt into the crankcase or shavings distribute — after 1000km mileage will show the test testing? I think it will show in the normal range. Just for the norm to fall out is simply unrealistic :) There are lab test for "Yes/no". That is, fit within the boundary values or not fit. This is even if you completely forget about masalem the filter. I mean, according to the test of practice it is impossible to rank the oil the better/worse. Because the value of "wear and tear" in the web has a very abstract meaning. As the actual fuel economy. Type in one oil it 8 points, else 0 points. How much to change fuel consumption in my auto, if it eats 10 in the city and 6 on the highway?
Gossamer Lubrizol demonstrates the requirements of admission, but not the quality of a particular oil, engine hours in Europe are just considered for fixed or flexible periods of oil change. What do you want to know about wear, how to define it? At the household level — in any way, and in the laboratory — the number of metals in the mining of oil.
Stop. Dosepack VW 504/507 who developed? VW has developed. For THAT to come every year or 15ткм who is? VW requires. Lubrizol just did the additive package under the specification. "it is better to consider the suitability of the oil for hours" — why smart guys from VW did not do that? The hours for the car to be considered even easier than the mileage, because there is no error due to the dimensions of the wheels. You have to tell them that it is better.
As the wear measure — not answered
Everything is clear there, read again. The testing of oils for compliance with the prerogative of the certification bodies. Service 15 thousand km a conditional evil, because it does not take into account the individual characteristics of operation, it is better to consider the suitability of the oil for hours.
Galucci
And who said that the oil should be fried at all? Blog bmwservice? So he long ago abandoned his method and found it wrong, but all this from the very beginning it was clear, only literate people no one listened. The real work to the engine oil roasted in a mug, flask or other container is irrelevant. And the oil standard 504 viscosity 5-30 because of the requirements of this standard is the highest and a lot of thickeners can not provide the required quality.
Strange turns. On one hand, you cite data from charts of Lubrizol with an incomprehensible scale, on the other hand say that vw and its recommendation 15 thousand service — evil. So we believe the manufacturer or not? Or do we believe somehow selectively? For example, the way we measure "excessive wear"?
Mean RN 0720? I suppose so, Yes. VW 504/507 requirements exceed many of the requirements for oils and specially designed to reduce ash, it's safe to use on Renault
Colleagues, can I ask. If the oil 504 507 for engines with fathoms filter, does that mean you can use it, for example instead of oil R0720? After all, the way to reduce the amount of soot the same?
Easy-White
Tatneft LUXE RAO 5w-30? Isn't it?
That is a damn good oil, almost Panasonic on PAO
Galucci
I will briefly and briefly, for mulon times all have commenters and chew thousands of people.
For sale in Russia practically there are no pure PAO — in the best case, hydrocrack+PAO(10-15%). Show me a 502 oil, PAO or esters in the commodity price in Russia — I'll use it, and now a little bit away from this topic. Think not find such. The benefits of a 502 quite obvious, when using a class Euro5 fuel and oil 504. About the viscosity of 5w30 and 5w40 let's not, that's just ridiculous, as well as about the hours long all chewed.
About the tolerances 508/509 and vsyakosti 0w10 0w20 and going to say?)))
Maybe they have more satisfied)))
Tatneft LUXE RAO 5w-30? Isn't it?
PawelKuzneck
This oil has a tolerance A3 I the viscosity was confused, and finished the year off But I think That will switch To motul 5w30... With a 504 tolerance
Oki, too, are different
PawelKuzneck
This oil has a tolerance A3 I the viscosity was confused, and finished the year off But I think That will switch To motul 5w30... With a 504 tolerance
www.amsoil.com/shop/by-pr...-motor-oil/?code=ASLQT-EA
PawelKuzneck
This oil has a tolerance A3 I the viscosity was confused, and finished the year off But I think That will switch To motul 5w30... With a 504 tolerance
www.amsoil.com/shop/by-pr...-motor-oil/?code=AELQT-EA here is your oil
PawelKuzneck
At Idemitsu such 5-30 no reason, and started looking, too, about amsoil thoughts were, did not think that motyul so-so... will Take note
Almost no iznosa, take that 5-30 or 5-40, here is the protection :))
Forget about Idemitsu, I got rid of the best oil, I would it current and went if had such cars like you.
Pay attention to their 0-40 for diesel and gasoline engines, is essentially 5-40. Can shed Heavy duty the goal of them will be nothing, will be even better as there is less ash content and a slightly different package. If you want 5-30 then pay attention to Heavy duty 5-30 for diesel. This manufacturer can pour 0ки but I still 5ки. :))
At Idemitsu such 5-30 no reason, and started looking, too, about amsoil thoughts were, did not think that motyul so-so... will Take note
The current Motyul don't shed this is not a very good oil. The fact that the photo oil on PAO Panasonic good oil. to find the same but 30KU would be ideal.
Tatneft PJSC Suite 5-30
Urano84
Here it is necessary to decide what oil will be 30ой viscosity and what 40th. Idemitsu Pat. But critical nicep you will not notice. The Vaga can ride and on and on. Again, the conditions and style of riding
There are pros and cons. If 30ка it is better to 5-30 and PAO with esters. 0ку not necessary.
If an aggressive style then we should select the oil according to different parameters. Sure admission 504 written zhto means Mall on PAO to PAO well and they prefer to save and sustainability 5-30. But 502 admission if this Panasonic type ACEA A3 at PJSC block 504 tolerance. Longer be oxidized. In General, a crucial role is played by a proprietary additive package and no viscosity. It provides wear protection and all protection oils at equal viscosity different.😁👍
This oil has a tolerance A3 I the viscosity was confused, and finished the year off But I think That will switch To motul 5w30... With a 504 tolerance
well here depends on the composition of oil and its quality, and so it is true. But we need to take oil on PAO
I 0ку or when not used... Actually pour 5w30, looked by the way not all oils have the 504 tolerance. I understand correctly that the w40 has worse fluidity than w30, ceteris paribus? There is no reason to overpay for SEPRO?
Here it is necessary to decide what oil will be 30ой viscosity and what 40th. Idemitsu Pat. But critical nicep you will not notice. The Vaga can ride and on and on. Again, the conditions and style of riding
There are pros and cons. If 30ка it is better to 5-30 and PAO with esters. 0ку not necessary.
If an aggressive style then we should select the oil according to different parameters. Sure admission 504 written zhto means Mall on PAO to PAO well and they prefer to save and sustainability 5-30. But 502 admission if this Panasonic type ACEA A3 at PJSC block 504 tolerance. Longer be oxidized. In General, a crucial role is played by a proprietary additive package and no viscosity. It provides wear protection and all protection oils at equal viscosity different.😁👍
I'm very confused, all the time go as hotelindex... 5w40 In the Passat B7 1.8 cdab motor motul first and then to the sale at 120 K, all OK. Now Audi A5 sportback 2.0 go to zapro of Idemitsu 5w40 raising. And everything I tverdyat What to fill in the VAG viscosity of not more ххw30... That would not mind if chewed...
Galucci
I will briefly and briefly, for mulon times all have commenters and chew thousands of people.
For sale in Russia practically there are no pure PAO — in the best case, hydrocrack+PAO(10-15%). Show me a 502 oil, PAO or esters in the commodity price in Russia — I'll use it, and now a little bit away from this topic. Think not find such. The benefits of a 502 quite obvious, when using a class Euro5 fuel and oil 504. About the viscosity of 5w30 and 5w40 let's not, that's just ridiculous, as well as about the hours long all chewed.
About the tolerances 508/509 and vsyakosti 0w10 0w20 and going to say?)))
Maybe they have more satisfied)))
For my car I don't have 0-20 0-10 moreover, though Amsoil is not bad as well and judging by tests it with the least wear rate.
And what about the viscosity of the 5-30 and 5-40 chewed. are people afraid of pouring in the car instead of 5-30 oil 5-40 equal in quality because the fear that it will not penetrate into the gap of friction pairs, so I think not sho chewed, but I'll stop, okay. You go ahead, I'll read it :)
Amsoil, Tatneft oil right now at PJSC has released a new, RAVENOL is, but it's worth the money, pure PAO does not happen if the crack is added polysynthetic she, too, is different, PAO+Esters also in certain proportions, but now Amsoil has released a new formula and the current way he knows the formula of this oil, I saw oil mainly on the air. Esters
I will briefly and briefly, for mulon times all have commenters and chew thousands of people.
For sale in Russia practically there are no pure PAO — in the best case, hydrocrack+PAO(10-15%). Show me a 502 oil, PAO or esters in the commodity price in Russia — I'll use it, and now a little bit away from this topic. Think not find such. The benefits of a 502 quite obvious, when using a class Euro5 fuel and oil 504. About the viscosity of 5w30 and 5w40 let's not, that's just ridiculous, as well as about the hours long all chewed.
About the tolerances 508/509 and vsyakosti 0w10 0w20 and going to say?)))
Maybe they have more satisfied)))
So, let's see now:
1. Do not recommend travel on the 504/507 oils more than 8 thousand. and on the 502/505 oils especially, why?
2. What are the oils with a tolerance of 504/507 and 502/505 is it? It's one thing when we put oil on the same level and they both tolerances are gidrokrekinga consisting of a group of oils 3 and 2, and rarely 3 and 4, and another thing when we're talking about a polyalphaolefin oils for both tolerances, consisting of group 4 and 5 oils. This how to compare with the finger member.
Crack 504 and 502 PAO are completely different things, and 502 PAO kick 504 crack, but all of these tolerances for an understanding and knowledgeable person in oils full hat. There are documents SDS and characteristics of the oil, that is the composition of the oil viscosity index, and film strength and other parameters, should choose the oil for the specific operating conditions, the pictures you have the right but all on the surface and the average reader will only confuse to start we should understand that what are generally oil!
oil with a viscosity of 5-30 will never provide the same protection as oils with a viscosity of 5-40 if we take the oil of the same class, 5-30 will always be less resistant to the loads and to be essentially energy saving oil.
PS. www.drive2.ru/l/2077506/
Galucci
And who said that the oil should be fried at all? Blog bmwservice? So he long ago abandoned his method and found it wrong, but all this from the very beginning it was clear, only literate people no one listened. The real work to the engine oil roasted in a mug, flask or other container is irrelevant. And the oil standard 504 viscosity 5-30 because of the requirements of this standard is the highest and a lot of thickeners can not provide the required quality.
>And who said that the oil should be fried at all? Blog bmwservice? So he long ago abandoned his method and found it wrong
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what's that, sorry? And where about it to esteem? =)
By the way I agree, a friend pours in 504/507 vw t5 2.5 tdi pd 2003год (pump injector). Travels a lot for 5-6tys per month. We passed under a 200 thousand on it, thus taking т5ого also with mileage under 200. The result when removing the valve lobes for wear at all, no! Although this problem is considered to be the motor and Yes it change the oil 8-10K. Here you have a weak 504/507
I have 3 machines, one working horse(beads) at all pour manna and no problems)))
By the way here is one of the tests 504/507 oil at a temperature of 100градусов on a roller machine. The result is obvious. From this pole a lot of tests on the channel and the cindermen lose 100g when 504/507. For pump nozzle engines is a big indicator
