Installation of brakes from the mustang. — Toyota Supra, 3.0 liter, 1990
Anyone who drives a 70 more or less actively is eager to do something with stock brakes. Single-piston machines with discs with a diameter of 304 mm overheat very quickly and the brakes end. 3 braking from 120-140 in a row - and there are none. High-temperature pads from America did not change the situation much - but I took some kind of axis-type slag - now I’m looking at the drain, you can take stoptech pads from them. In general, I wanted to solve the problem of braking radically. And here are several ways.
The first, the most inexpensive one is to buy used calipers from Skye or fashki through spacers with its own disks - there are options for 4-piston calipers, although the disks there are still slightly larger than relatives. Also Brembo with Evika people from the forum set. I didn’t want a used one, a new Brembo stock from Evik costs a lot, and therefore I didn’t consider this option until the third option appeared, which is lower.
The second is to buy a kit from a good manufacturer "there" - for example, Wilwood makes 4 piston 330 mm discs for 70-ku. Everything goes bolt-on, you can choose discs with a collapsible hub, etc. Disadvantages - no anthers on the pistons, i.e. the option is not quite urban (of course, you can clean and wash them = extra crap) and the pads, as I understand it, are only from them.
I went the third way - new brakes through spacers, but so that the kit would be assembled technically competently. On a foreign site, the Merikos developed this kit as a daily drive for 70-ku - it was bought from them (in the sense of the spacers themselves). Then they made 50 of them, two sets went to Russia, one, by the way, remained unclaimed. Here they are
Allows you to install brakes from the Mustang Cobra SVT 1994-2004 - two-piston machines with a floating caliper. Discs were selected separately - 330 mm, 17 wheels each. Here they are next to stock.
The block does not capture the entire surface of the disc - but at a smaller radius there is a small area, and the dimensions of the disc itself provide better heat dissipation.
View from the inside of the wheel - bracket with spacer
Reinforced hoses fit the old ones - as always, I had to work a little with a file.
Barely fit in 17 wheel
And here is the result of the freedom of choice of pads. Native Amerovs were bought with cars and worked well - they were semi-metal, Then I bought a stock from a mustang made by Lucas - terrible crap, threw them out almost immediately as I rolled them up - they overheat (of course, not like stock, but after native US earth and sky), in addition, overheated disks with them had to be machined. But just in case, the second set of brake discs lies - all of a sudden something is wrong. And now I bought 2 sets of pads - one semi-metal type of native, the second EBC ceramics. Let's try it next season. In general, there is a very large choice of pads for this model - there is a Hawk, and there are a lot of different ones. And they cost, for example, EBC to come here 119 bucks in total.
Well, in the end, the feeling of the brakes on good pads. In the city at home, I could not overheat them. If the relatives gave up after 3 good braking - then these - 5-6 - didn’t really work anymore - we don’t drive on a closed track. Notched discs eat great pads — that's why I bought 2 sets. Well, this is - when braking from high speeds at night, you can see sparks from under the front wheels ... At first I was worried when my comrades told me about this - I dismantled the brake system, checked metal on metal for scuffing and scratches - everything is fine. Then they asked the Merikos - it turns out that they also observe this - they call it fireworks ... And it appears on braking from speeds of at least 140 miles per hour. How much I drove then - I will modestly keep silent, but more than Pindos ... much more.
Stuper! Everything from the Skye brakes sag, but here it’s very original! The name alone is already scary!
for 2-wheels and — stands behind the stock with Amerovskim pads and native new stock discs and reinforced hoses.
That is, you got 1000 for 4 wheels, which is already wildly profitable - eminent ones on only one axle will come out from 40 turbo rubles)
For a piece of evergreens ... On the one hand - a lot, Wilwood from 1000 to 1500, on the other hand - inexpensively, taking into account the upcoming, I hope, trouble-free operation and the cost of pads and discs ...
Because this is a whale - I didn’t have to draw and invent these spacers myself, I don’t have such an opportunity. Or you can put some kind of endless with a rework of the hub - and you don’t know how it will end + pads without options at obviously interesting prices + not quite a daily drive. Something like this. You'd better call if you have any questions, but I'll erase my fingers.
There is no doubt that they are good, but one question is why from the muntang then?)
Well, let's wait - I'll be in Moscow time in the spring - I might be able to stop by. But I also overwrought a bunch of information on brakes - and settled on this option. In addition, there were about 3,000 Merikos on the forum in the 70s, and they had a shaft of options - and they have much more opportunities than ours. Nevertheless, this particular kit was chosen - from a car of a similar mass and with a bunch of options for tuning pads.
PS I propose to finish the argument about the effectiveness of the brakes - this is enough for me for MY operating conditions, the drain from Toyota (Lexus type LS with 350 mm discs) can also be turned on - but find me really good high-temperature pads for them - except for the drain? Discs from Celica 205 will die on a machine of this mass (1560 dry). And the fact that, in addition to the size of the discs, the material of the pads matters - I already understood empirically.
ZY2 Even at the car in stock there are air ducts for cooling the brakes from the bumper lip. Current when laying piping had to remove them. Right now I'm thinking about how to get them back ...
Well, for starters, they made a purely mathematical comparison, the pad area, the diameter and thickness of the disc, the presence of ventilation and its features ...
Next - the number and diameter of pistons at the caliper, the diameter and stroke of the GTZ, and much more ...
Then they carried out purely sea trials on the same, or both it is possible to have cars that are closer in characteristics (there is no stand yet :)), in general, sea trials fully confirmed the initial, theoretical calculations ... Which completely allowed us to carry some statistics ...
Based on the foregoing, I am absolutely not afraid to state that the 4-piston calipers installed on Toyota cars (Selica ST 205, Supra 80. Celsior) have simply amazing performance, and are far superior to the much more well-known Brembo brake systems installed on Evo and Impreza, about Nissan ones are out of the question here - they are sad ...
Let's say the disks from the Celica 205 are generally almost impossible to overheat in near-civilian operation ...
In general, you can continue for a very long time :)
Well, they definitely didn’t compare with what I have, in Rush there is no such thing anymore.
ZY And in general in more detail - how compared? If the current tests of foreign maniacs ...
4 pot suprovskie before put with the replacement of the hub from the 80s, while the geometry of the suspension is seriously changing to the risk of tearing off the rack. It is not that simple. The back of the 80 matches suits bolt-on, 324 mm wheels against the drain in 302 mine. Before, no. At least 70. Different sorties - and there is no interchangeability. In addition, a new stock of this money costs (or even more expensive, and the size of the front discs for 80-ku is 323 mm, smaller than my whale). All this passed — of course, the first attempt was to get the replacement info from a more recent model.
Threat It’s not a fact that the stock 80 will slow me down - it’s still necessary to try ... The fact that 4 pistons affects the sensitivity of the brakes and is generally considered to be a more rigid design - that’s it for racing. My version with a floating brace is of course more civilian, but I'm completely satisfied ...
In general, of course, a strange decision, it was possible to put Suprov 4pot calipers, they get up without any brackets, they are not too expensive and much better in terms of characteristics ...
Thank you - but what does the presence of "ferrierworks" say "a lot" about? A lot of people have tried to ride on slotted brake discs and BRAKING from 290 when someone behind could watch the process? I doubt it very much - I am a supporter of the practice, when after such things it is possible to look at the brake system and make sure that there are no problems. And the Americans in these things are 20 years ahead of us - they also see no problems.
Okay, it's up to you ...
Although the mere presence of your "ferrierworks" says a lot ...
Good luck on the road...
Well, this is the dry weight from the manufacturer - I'll weigh mine in the spring - I'll tell you. But I only have electric seats heavier than stock by 30 kg - I compared it myself. By the way, on the 205, the 16th wheels are stock, which means the brake discs are a little more than 300 mm - and this is like a stock on a 70-ke.
The data from the weighing is completely different ... :)
Even mine, without all-wheel drive and with some relief, weighs 1460 ...
Yes, in general, there is no dispute, it's just a discussion and exchange of experience ... :)
and for reference — 205 Selick weighs no less than your car;)
When I smoked this topic tightly, it slipped somewhere. But now I can't find it. But now, at least for the 2nd 70s, the owners plan to put 4 pot brakes from the 80s. If I find it, I'll post links.
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These are thoughts out loud - but practice may show otherwise. Suprovsky big brake kit with the 80th supra bolt, he does not get up - such 70s can not be seen even in the States. And in general - 4 pistons is not an indicator of the resistance of the brakes to overheating - the size of the discs and the material of the pads play a larger role ...
Even on my idle turbine, I didn’t have enough stock brakes ... I think all owners of 70s feel it ...
And I’m already looking for 80s front caliper discs. four piston and rear two. preferably aluminum from Skye.
Please tell me what is the danger with the racks?
Well, I won’t argue, it’s over, but what did they come out to you on the price tag?
These are thoughts out loud - but practice may show otherwise. Suprovsky big brake kit with the 80th supra bolt, he does not get up - such 70s can not be seen even in the States. And in general - 4 pistons is not an indicator of the resistance of the brakes to overheating - the size of the discs and the material of the pads play a larger role ...
Well, the brakes are excellent over, but it seems to me that 4-piston brakes would be any better, at least from Nissan, at least from Toyota ... And supra 4-piston ones, just like that, Brembo will slow down =)