Strengthening the body. - Toyota Celica, 1.6 L, 1984
Hmm, the thought began to torment me that it was worth strengthening the body. No, not a frame. By other methods, but all this will increase the stiffness for lateral, longitudinal torsion, as well as much improve handling at high speeds. It is also worth clarifying the parameter - high speeds are somewhere between 170 and 250, and "handling at high speeds" is maneuvering along the ring at 180-200 km / h.
Celica rests at 215 km / h - 5th gear is unscrewed
If someone drove at such speeds densely enough, then you know that after 170, slight discomfort begins, because the composition and wear of the rubber makes itself felt through vibrations on the body, and when maneuvering, the feeling of a "floating car" is obtained - especially with our asphalt.
No, well, 170 is a pretty decent speed, well, personally, I don't think that tin is as fast, and everyone who drives more than 150 km / h is dalpayöpy. It is important how to ride and. what time ... at 4 o'clock in the morning - at least 200 squeeze out on the roundabout - it is still empty.
Okay, back to the topic ...
It is necessary to strengthen everything: TV, motor shield, racks, trunk, spars, load-bearing structures for suspension glasses, kerchiefs between thresholds, thresholds, because longitudinal rolling resistance depends on them, and it is also necessary to strengthen the elements of the roof, which I have not yet decided ...
All this is reinforced by welding and sheet metal (from 3 mm to 7 mm).
Now the main thing.
I would not want Celica to be a sports car and quickly ended up with an inexperienced pilot. I wish she was a local style icon. She is quite original (from the point of view of completeness), interference in her life is a serious decision. However, she is almost 25 years old, the metal has its own service life and reinforcement, which will greatly improve handling, will not harm. So should we do it?
A good friend of mine, a ringman, answered unequivocally: "Of course, do it!" I myself am still in thought, although this will not harm the body, but then it will no longer be a standard car, but a modified one ... Let it look ordinary outwardly.
The question itself is of relative relevance - this must be resolved by the beginning of the sandblasting of the body.
FDRMAMI
There is one definite answer to this question "Yes! Cook."
Recently I watched the Opshenov video about how Khachiroki is boiled. There are not only additional points. but also additional kerchiefs in the right places. glasses, bottom, arches, etc. I also advise you to dig up information about special foam filling the thresholds, which is also a very effective JDM way of strengthening the body without using a bolted / welded frame.
Have already found)
FDRMAMI
Ninado to kick me, I'll tell you everything.
Hot Version AE86 Club Vol.07.avi
Here is how Tsuchievskaya Khachiroku is prepared.
Throw off the link! I can't find it myself!
Ninado to kick me, I'll tell you everything.
Hot Version AE86 Club Vol.07.avi
Here is how Tsuchievskaya Khachiroku is prepared.
Shcha will come, kick him =) I would also just name and number. In order not to search hard.
FDRMAMI
There is one definite answer to this question "Yes! Cook."
Recently I watched the Opshenov video about how Khachiroki is boiled. There are not only additional points. but also additional kerchiefs in the right places. glasses, bottom, arches, etc. I also advise you to dig up information about special foam filling the thresholds, which is also a very effective JDM way of strengthening the body without using a bolted / welded frame.
:)
But can you tell Opshna the number? I will soon upload the whole AE86 Club - it seems there is also about strengthening the body. But, all the same, my body is even stronger than the hachiroki standard ...)
Listen, do you still have a video on hachiroku? There is no way to lay out anywhere? We need such aids! We will have the same thing with the tegra.
The body must be boiled and it is with amplifiers and linings. That's just about the places of amplifications, this is still a question for me personally. What, where, how and how much, so that it is efficient and effective, that is the big question.
There is one definite answer to this question "Yes! Cook."
Recently I watched the Opshenov video about how Khachiroki is boiled. There are not only additional points. but also additional kerchiefs in the right places. glasses, bottom, arches, etc. I also advise you to dig up information about special foam filling the thresholds, which is also a very effective JDM way of strengthening the body without using a bolted / welded frame.
WAREHOUSE)) And, by the way, the LKAD can still be with us, because after 2010 the second transport facility will be built, but 30 km around the city ...
Of course in the topic :)
Recently we discussed just your ring road, and then why it is called that way and not PKAD, SCAD, LKAD, etc. by analogy with the Moscow Ring Road :)
Ahahaha) Did you?) Yes, you're in the subject)
No, these are my comments, just abstract ... and in St. Petersburg there is also a ring ... the current is still unfinished)
By the way, quotes in italics from Wangan Midnight chtol? Only there I met the word "annular"
Roots-nsk
www.mat.fi/n_index.php?na...984toyotacelicaturbo&g=13
I think it will be interesting. Although, of course, this is a pure sport =)
saw) even before buying ... they are great)
www.mat.fi/n_index.php?na...984toyotacelicaturbo&g=13
I think it will be interesting. Although, of course, this is a pure sport =)
uh ... as they say, google it) in the internet there are various data ... and on the drome there is a topic where RomaGTR4WD discussed (by the way, we are old friends, and he also has AA63, and he bought it the next day after me - they themselves did not knew about buying the same cars)))
TYSON84
What kind of motion is this? first time I see.
then what is it 4A is to love!
Apparently some kind of limited series of motors for rallying. kick-ass.
no, this is 4T-GT - a rally version of 3T-GTE ...
3T-GTE - 1.8 liters, 8 (!) valves, 2 shafts, 2 candles, ~ 180 hp
4T-GT - 2.1 liter, 8 valves, 2 shafts, 2 candles, 370 HP
The 4T itself, in principle, cannot be reached ...
Raver-65
they put the engine on the whole there, as they did on the 86, only turbocharged.
wrong answer)
on the sports Selick - AA63 / TA63 that I had - there were only 4A-GE 16V and 3T-GTE. The rings were naturally aspirated 4A-GE for N2 and turbocharged 3T-GTE for rallying. The homologation version of Celica for Group B - TA64 - had almost the same as the 4T-GTEU combat engine, but only 64 were 220 units, including racing copies)
I'm not talking about a standard engine, but about a forced engine, for circular ones.
not quite the same ...
there was a 16 valve on the khachik, and this is 8. and in addition, two candles per pot.
What kind of motion is this? first time I see.
then what is it 4A is to love!
Apparently some kind of limited series of motors for rallying. kick-ass.
good) but the gain will be a little later! One of these days I will take off the braid, then I cook the katabatic stands for the car and an overturner, I take off the suspension and leave only the body, then sandblast, epoxy primer on metal and then welding)))
upload photos in the process =) it
is very interesting to observe the progress of work.
Yes, I understand that too, you need to do it carefully, then after amplification you need to drag the bodywork to the stand to check the geometry ...
Well, as everyone understood, the decision was made)
It is necessary to cook unambiguously!
the main thing to consider is the fact that welding is a serious thermal process that leads to a number of consequences.
old metal can lose strength after overheating. and the structure may bend.
but if everything is done correctly, the strength will increase significantly.
Yes, there will be a lot of work!
It is also worth clarifying the parameter - high speeds are somewhere between 170 and 250, and "handling at high speeds" is maneuvering along the ring at 180-200 km / h.
cool of course ...
Did you see how Eric drives ?! Here he walks 300, so what you say, the speed is acceptable (170 km h)! =))
Regarding boiling, it is certainly not boiling eggs, quite a responsible step and precise and precise work, make as few mistakes as possible ...
Boil or not, this is definitely "YES!", The fact that it is original should not stop, the machine will also undergo serious changes! =)) The
safety and the same life of the celica metal is at stake, so the best option, of course, is a neat welding of the body, the rigidity will increase by an order of magnitude! =))
So should we do it?
Do and not think about retreating much! =))
Well, first of all, thank God, I'm not a Honda driver, but a Toyota driver. This is my part-time job.
Secondly, I do not deny the usefulness of Japanese anime (I myself was surprised at the reliability of initial D). Wangan Midnight will definitely look, I haven't just crawled yet, but, alas, he won't answer all the questions. I know how to reinforce the body in a classic rally, but something may not be suitable for "civilian" cars. Why I want to arrange an exchange of thoughts and ideas, because, I believe that the collective mind will someday win. This will help to avoid many mistakes in work, so that there is no excess metal in a car that does not work! And if it is still out of place, where the body, on the contrary, should have a certain "degree of freedom", then all this can come to harm. That's why I'm so worried =))))
In the third, about the tilter, in principle, it was necessary not to paint. Even though we live in the village, we know what this is =) We learned the blessing on this whole topic.
Well, why did he ask about the sand? It is because of "not overdoing it." I understood about soda, and I also heard by the way about walnut shells (!), Although no one will use it in Russia. Okay, waiting for the report after sandblasting.
Well, check out Wangan Midnight first. (Unfortunately for you, the power of rear-wheel-drive and four-wheel drive in this anime is obvious, sorry Honda ...). If not all, then at least the 9th episode. Also available on RuTube in Russian translation. This is a very simple base, but in terms of materiel, the series is correct. Pay attention to the body and its reinforcements, kerchiefs from the racks to the TV, etc.
The whole sandblasting will be in a special chamber and with a twist (a thing that will rotate the car 360 degrees, so that it is more convenient to process the bottom, and then cook and paint it. That's why
I strip the car to the metal. Yes, I'll crawl to the guys soon , they have many fractions of sand, fine sand - that's it! He should knock down paint to metal and also knock down putty and rust. I thought about soda, etc., but they said that they had tried soda, and it was not at all - even the paint does not really confuse. The main thing is not to overdo it. It is necessary that the metal remains flat, and not speckled from the impact of sand on the body ...
Sure. But you yourself understand the meaning because they are not alone. Everything in the complex. That's the problem. Anyway, we all think what and where to weld =) We will arrange an exchange of experience and thoughts later. By the way, do you have a full-fledged sandblasting? I mean, a whole car? And very good. I wonder what is being processed now in Russia. All the same, it is sand that is not the most suitable abrasive for the body.
Uh, seams need to be patched anyway! 25 years of welding can no longer really handle the loads calculated at the factory! There are even cracks in the seams in places.
Igoryan means by this the welding of all native loaded seams with a second layer =) And so of course amplifiers and only them!
Uh, well, the term "procooking" is a little undefined) in general, it will be seen)
To boil the body to mine is not quite what needs to be ... strengthened - yes, but not by boiling ...