In this post, we will talk about a very interesting topic for many. And more specifically on budget Indian MK 80х131 under prior/grant caps.
Decided one of my friend to buy this MK at widely known online stores. Bought... Then the movie begins.
Decided to check it out and do chelovechachi, as they say.
And so it went:
1. The knee has no HDTV processing journals. It seemed to be not scary, but any non-standard situation(for example someone looked at the oil level) and the first under the wear will go in the knee.
2. Conservation, as they say for ages! Indian grease does not wash off. Trying to wash gasoline and wash chemistry to success has not led. It was decided to pollinate neck.
This is after attempts to clean with gasoline and washing with chemicals.
Decided all this business to send for check and balance. That's what happened.
3. Kolenko had a runout of 5 acres is greater than the tolerance, well... corrected.
To edit
After editing
4. Balancing. The imbalance was bigger than the factory lap
So it was
So it became
Photos from balancing
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Videva
That basket came out(LUK)
Basket
It
Became
To take this MK or not. Matter. If you take, then at least to do all of the above work. Although I, too, would every knee. How it will go, only time will tell. Maybe someone came across better copies. Oh, and the bolts of the connecting rod with the MC also suggest to replace prierowsee in order to obezopasit.
That is now a movie.
and you whence, I later called about the liners, and then come up with the balance.
No, I did not pass what you want only you know and I know about it only when you bring me the iron. But you'll bring him or not is again a question.
I'm just not realized it)) Theme — the word Artem or from the word Theme.)) You don't know him.
mechanikus
thank you guru engineering
Hey dude it says! And we got garbage being engaged! All the steps in place now will return! Especially the intake! And the automakers all figured out, especially classic cylinder head designed 40 years ago under a volume of 1,200 and continuing to put it into the volume of 1.5 and above))) they Have the same main aim is not to earn money the maximum unification, and all the steps to calculate))
nerd then you, you personally, no one spoke, this time !do you care if I eventually succeed ?this experience I have more than many here that used to judge whether there is a step or two steps it's three!mind your own business and stay out of other people's
Not for that. At least what to teach wise men, who think he is smarter than everyone. Fans of large holes :-)
Well as though Yes. Or do all the car manufacturers are such idiots that I can't exactly stojakovich manifold and Cylinder head? The steps are not small the functionality relating to the exhaust. To explain will not be here long.
To remove the step on the Cylinder head — an occupation ignoble and stupid. She's there for a reason, if you do not know.
the connecting rods by weight, the knee on the balancing, flywheel for turning and balancing...cylinder head is also finished and it is necessary to do the matching with RES
You decided to spread out to balance?)) We also did that last year with one engine))
nikita21093
The person in the video name is Artem?)
Yes, there's even some Artem)))
Mishka692
And where, my friend, if not secret? Address pzhl)
Epatazh already answered. Also this person is known as CASP.
Well shit not shit — view, while of course more in the direction of shit)) Yes, so-and our new knees, too, was beating more than normal. A lot of people goes to this, who as much depends on the approach)) www.drive2.ru/l/5463169/ www.drive2.ru/l/6814952/
I don't really get what there is our discussion. The fact that it is shit — it is clear from the record. To do laboratory tests do not see the point. For what? To prove xxx-tuning that they carry the floor-the knee? And the rods are just normal, and that the bolts need to be replaced by prigorovsky. About the forms of casting, what to do in Totti — not much prettier.
Below in comments is mechanikus, who for 12-tykov skated on this MK without balansirovka and weight, and not far into vegetable mode(there are also links to how goes).
highly unlikely FM also pours the knee in such a poorly made earthen form.
before you put in the mill I would put the chips in Mat lab to understand % bird droppings in the alloy. it is not that good injection molding manufacturing will make such miserable shape casting.
I guess strong porosity inside castings
Are we there yet fortunately or unfortunately was not... So it took to try here and see. Federal Mogull nothing prevents to have a factory in India.))
anyone who has visited in India, life will not buy this facial joints local rag pickers
in the first photo have seen these crankshafts after overheating...because of the sharply broken Carter...it's warming up and wedge
Well, the price of indium in district 13, our 18. Personally, I would sent any of these procedures.
:) cool che... the issue price of the knee will eventually make sense...
though in fact, now probably any new knee needs to be balanced...
In this, too)) No normal — or as in General)) and Therefore have to travel to other regions and send))
Shoot a video and tell more about the whole process there is a possibility? I think many will be interested.
WHEN balancing some momentum, I can not say because I do not know the model and har-Ki balancing machine. But I will say one thing, that they are not as high as on the ice.
This is not the issue. Explain different... this post was written for people who thought or are thinking about buying the MK. So, maybe those who sell the product will also read and draw conclusions. Because Indian colony is not only in PP. Yes, if the situation were similar, and the post would be called(for example) "Togliatti history"(respectively in the title role knee Togliatti production), it might sound like a question?
balancing the bottom in the gathering pays off — 100%. Especially if not under the drain. Not on one engine checked. It was even so that the motor went two years, then dismantled it and went to balance — the result, the Motor is completely different rides, especially at high speeds.
Thank you. Ideally, this work should be carried out with the Assembly of each engine.
What is it? From Kaspa(Artem Kirgisen) everything on the site is the tuning-Lada ryu
I where is it written? Or encourage someone to do so? Do not be stupid questions to ask about obvious things! No one will do it, even in sport, because there are just a few of the prepared kits.
Fatmachine
About HDTV, I think)) the Savings are not offset by)) Who said that our knee would be ideal for runout? And certainly they are not teetering on the production under higher revs. Yes, especially in Assembly with pulley, flywheel, basket. It is known that the knee/flywheel/basket balanced from the factory, but who said that their axis balancing should be the same, when will it all come together?
do you think when you replace the clutch must be removed and re-balancing ? pricey!
I'm not the procedure, but about the volume. In principle, all above/below set forth, in Moscow, makes Mechanics, only HDTV I do not know.
About HDTV, I think)) the Savings are not offset by)) Who said that our knee would be ideal for runout? And certainly they are not teetering on the production under higher revs. Yes, especially in Assembly with pulley, flywheel, basket. It is known that the knee/flywheel/basket balanced from the factory, but who said that their axis balancing should be the same, when will it all come together?
Yes, to live it maybe more, just I would imagine under the hood is not stuck in any time)
People have already made the choice. Here you can see how this set was done as 12000 and under what conditions www.drive2.ru/l/5463169/ www.drive2.ru/l/6814952/ with it without those procedures, which we have done. Now the motor moves to the other body. Here wait for Ilya it will mess up the balancing of and how it))
VS-team
first, I'm talking about a new SA, but they are NEW. There are 128 connecting rod and piston 82, not 82.5! The pistons are Federal Mogul, quality. This is the bottom, which prior 123л.with. or 130l.with. on 127ом receiver! Hail 93л.with. like it stated.
Second, this bottom will go West for 1.8! And this article to be about him, it's not an Indian shit!
The topic needs to be decided if the bottom change!
He now fell at the 21tys for the whole kit with the pistons already sold!
Read on health www.super-avto.ru/production/dvigatel.html www.zr.ru/content/article...-razbiraem-po-kostochkam/
This is not Indian shit. World.
Yes, it is clear that different, but the owners of the sets discovered the inscription 21177 on their rods, then perhaps something has changed. In any case, it's much better Indian gang Bang and not expensive.
About the replacement motor not addressed to you, and to the owner of this tribe
Where I said I was going to change the bottom? Dear, if You were in the thread, you surely would know that a NEW engine super-car and the engine VAZ 21179 — they are different engines! Specifically, the bottom Super-car 82х84х129(neck 47.8) — motor VAZ 21179 82х84х128(neck 43, as at Opel).
first, I'm talking about a new SA, but they are NEW. There are 128 connecting rod and piston 82, not 82.5! The pistons are Federal Mogul, quality. This is the bottom, which prior 123л.with. or 130l.with. on 127ом receiver! Hail 93л.with. like it stated.
Second, this bottom will go West for 1.8! And this article to be about him, it's not an Indian shit!
The topic needs to be decided if the bottom change!
He now fell at the 21tys for the whole kit with the pistons already sold!
Well, first from Super Auto 129-th rod. Secondly the bottom of the tractor. Thirdly, it is not quite justified, especially because of the piston to release. This kit for other purposes. Or who anyone else has. This is a normal training of the bottom. If the same article was about the Super Auto knee(God forbid, no edits) — also would someone mind doing?
But at what price? Why not get a set of new Super-car for 84 knee with the connecting rod 128 and not have a head?
New motor is assembled, but not yet launched. So nothing yet to blog about it there.
I also bought a similar knee.
At the end: — the runout on the 1 hundred is greater than the tolerance Vase, not rule of steel;
— balancing separately to the ideal.
Stroke 80 mm, PP WHA was 61mm, 71mm, small-scale is 75.6 mm and 84mm. So Yes, this is the knee can be considered tuning.
Well, how would like Yes)) I do not understand Your question. Can pereformuliruem as something different?
I bolts wag from then on sin)) KASP says he has on several of these rods have stretched the bolts, unable to withstand the tightening torque is 4.5 pounds.
Well, my knee it's not Indian, bolts, connecting rods, you can leave, the nephew on some of the rods 60 thousand km clocked.All the rules.Myself at that config swept thousands 35,no complaints, but the beating to was zero, the maximum weaving, balancing on the same level as the knee, but the flywheel front pulley is drilled into the trash.
Each brought together a MK Lesnar and stuck in a long field. Goes more than six months, pleased.
Credit Solaris, the head of the case in hand the iPhone, the face with a brick. Reputable people. Jacob smart.
As a rule of oberly — minded people who eat the candles changed in service, and hands work only in the office shifting papers.
Comments kill) Some of oberly around. The most interesting thing that they on foreign cars. Why here to climb their stupid questions and comments. Pass by comrades. VAZ bucket. India shit. Everyone knows that without You. We like we go!
Respect-hands grow from the right place!5+++++Less critics listen-PI...St no bags to carry-that's it!
Small world))) That I then called and was told that in Krasnodar moved from Saratov)) were Asked who better to talk about rides, etc.)))
Tom, my applause. Better not say. Fans of freebies this approach of course does not appreciate, the better to work with those who remain. Theory of specially trained people, no one ever cancels.
The world does not consist of fools! There are people who are smart and SAVVY...
What do smart-oslocentre ? As soon as they see something interesting (IDEA, HINT), so they go repeat it... and even more to make IT BETTER. What can I say... well DONE!
I believe that is not all put it on the Internet. And do not spread. Let the people be fed with information from VLAS PRUDOVA, Zhorik ... there I never saw one...standing water. Here at Travnikova I recommend to stay on the rollers (there is meat information can be obtained).
Let's see HOW many FOLLOWERS VLAS PRUDOVA!
HOO.
We are interested not subscribers, and STUDENTS.
So we paid information. And if you allow this narrow circle of Your readers will go through some topics...
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well TEMKO, etc., which are not interesting. One such clip, I'll post here in this BLOG... (the clip no comment...it is very brief)
However, thanks for the feedback, I think you're still at a ridiculous questions answered)) I Think you need to dash off an article on the website still.
Accidentally got to this post. Insert your 3 pennies.
1) My opinion on the crankshaft...
Such crankshafts sent to me 3 times. Everything is covered with preservative. The preservative is removed by polishing the journals. It's not tricky, usually polishing is done each crankshaft (even standard...) But excessive knee or covered as Indian will create problems for prisms which rests on the knee when balancing. And the balancer is likely to refuse to spin without the prior polishing (at least three journals... extreme and average on which rests a rotating belt).
The first elbow had the factory tolerances for runout... (1 and 2 grams) that can be called GOOD! The second knee (remember from Arkhangelsk) required correction on the one hand in the 20g (this is VERY BAD). A third knee (as I understand Saratov) had a slight otklonenie from the factory tolerance. Even the second knee if someone tries to be nicknamed by the name "SHIT" after balancing I understand from the "shit" becomes no longer "the SHIT."
2) Runout. The particular instance was SIGNIFICANT runout. Factory tolerance is 2-3 acres. Any knee can take the beating. And if it makes it "SHIT", then I can't do this knee to be called "SHIT" after done straightening... because of the residual runout of 5 microns (1/2 acres).
3) the Fact that the neck without HDTV is informed us the seller (in Togliatti) with the caveat that the Indians think its not so necessary as AVTOVAZ, etc.
I don't know... if there is HDTV or not. Or maybe there is nitriding, And maybe its technology...XS.
But because I went about it, you can do a test...
Take three crankshaft the 80s INDIA, 75,6 AVTOVAZ, 80s OPP (43mm neck)
And Merim hardness of the necks of the hardness tester. I think that this will be the answer to a question (anyone can
to check the hardness of the surface itself, if you have a hardness tester).
4) My observation. The crankshaft is no undercut under the fillet. Some knurling at the third crankshaft was, but if you make the first grinding, the roll will disappear. To make the crankshaft sold need to minimize labor costs. The absence of grooves beneath the quirk and HDTV is naturally cheaper. BUT if the crankshaft passes the road test, it's JUST GREAT.
But about the quirk. Imagine that it is not present GENERALLY... let's Say you did grind in the first dimension. Or Indians told ... MAKE his KNEE EVEN CHEAPER AND don'T MAKE the KNURLING!
What do You say... Do the knurling YOURSELF. And Your shit will once again be "Candy".
You may want to test for curvature (i.e. the stiffness of the crankshaft) with knurling and with additional knurling. Loading on the crankshaft 200 kg and to fathom the amount of bending. To roll the neck and repeat the load. All done in garage conditions. I feel that would be written such an article, you only need to learn about the method of checking the stiffness of the crankshaft (the engineers of AVTOVAZ).
5) trial Run of motor which is done in parallel — is running HOT.
You type in YouTube the word Simtester. The world does run. We at the garage have done such a simplified thing. However we made it not the purpose of my RUNNING (only running), and for the purpose of BALANCING. If the task is to balance the knee complex and the task to do it WELL. It means to balance the assembled. The roller is driven around a standard VAZ 8V the bottom of the motor we put together for a guy from PENZA. Here's more information in future on the channel YOUTUBE...
PS What engine to put in my civic or sports motor decides every man.
Perhaps India crankshaft supper alloy CAST iron and he is stronger in structure and
stiffness from this... XS. In any case Fatmachine DONE, because it took care of the crankshaft and assemble the engine and have done a lot, so the crankshaft was GOOD (even with us).
On the old SU oblique one!
I would recommend not 2 oblique, and oblique 4, will be even better!
I just remember You had the new crankshaft, so I asked. Maybe it was the opportunity for fun to test his balance. Myself then I put it six months ago. Recently my friend purchased a set. Hardness no. At the expense of 41.5 the reviews are mixed. Someone turns and to 8ths and does not break. And who and up to 5.5 thousand about broke. And 41.5 drilling what? On the new single sideways. And already hear comments like grease not the wear all the cases, although half of those who wrote it in eyes did not see and in hands did not hold.
I'm not picking on this gland. and therefore it was not possible to fathom (hardness and balance).
If You get such a knee so You and promera hardness.
Breaks down everything. But would like to make a piece of iron while not broken, it will bring her good performance in terms of power.
Here is an example...
We have a ring... car VAZ 2110. My body, it's my car, but driving it drugan (because he's a kart driver in the past and knows how to steer). But transmission and motor IT. He buys a piece of iron ... I collect.
Motor atmo. Is the min free. I predelay to collect a motor by crankshaft with 84mm waisted 41,5 mm. He is afraid that it TISNET. I argue that the previous 2 crankshaft (which he gave me) Drysdale, although they are on a thick neck (it was 80mm). What knee do not put IT CRYSNET!
The last time it is not much... and it was exactly to the moment until it collapsed gear oil pump.
The crankshaft is 84mm the neck is 41.5 mm I to buy today for 7тр. Let's bought them from 3 pieces. Them to last us the season (hopefully). Although one may be enough for 3 seasons.
Or need to find a STEEL KNEE for 4 so £ English? which crysnet as well!
Artem and no data balancing and hardness of new knees from SA on a full neck. That "Italian cinema"
Not that hard... and people!
Although if you remove the sad and return to the always fun "INDIAN CINEMA", what do we have?
Clipping photo article tuning-lada.ru/articles/36/
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Hardness say is excellent (I like it). VAZ sometimes it is much worse (and goes). So it is possible to assume that India will go.
Well, you read Artem's log where he wants to send to and sent. There he and the link here gave.
kasp71
On February 16 2016goda...
The price of crankshaft 80mm (India) + cranks 131mm (India) = 14500р (I sell at this price).
The price of crankshaft 80mm (India) = 12000r
I believe that this is the budget proposal for the tuning of the crankshaft on the market .
On this day in the presence of just over 100 pieces. The price on the trail. the party is not indicated.
Balin))) Yes, take ambulancewoman bylob easier than you to send)))
Yes, we've got pawson current took two sets and you later want to send. And so would you and all at once))
How many clients do you have to be in the spring!
The concept of cheap...relatively!
If you add balancing, straightening, polishing, it is necessary to throw another 4000R about!
On February 16 2016goda...
The price of crankshaft 80mm (India) + cranks 131mm (India) = 14500р (I sell at this price).
The price of crankshaft 80mm (India) = 12000r
I believe that this is the budget proposal for the tuning of the crankshaft on the market .
On this day in the presence of just over 100 pieces. The price on the trail. the party is not indicated.
It was ~5 dozen (~50+/- acres ) was ~5 acres+/ - than straighten the crankshaft? grinding in the 1st repair? or a deflection? and the rest of the neck was normal then? At the load of about ~70 kg for a couple of days on the cold straightened as it is, a couple of acres out of 4. On the block did the deflection of the block of wood on top of the anvil, a granite plate, battery, and 2-3 cans of iron bolts. Then he spent another half year deflection did not changed 2-waste water side respectively for one hectare.