The jump-start how as not to harm and why it is required
Greetings to all.
Continuing the theme of emergency situations, talk about the most dangerous action is the jump-start.
To avoid any confusion, just write the algorithm that you think is right and safe. Thus it is possible to light all. Although it is more correct to use the term "recharge."
The donor — who is charged (working machine-Saviour)
Recipient — the person to charge.
Hybrid cars — a thing specific and they need to open the manual.
Gel batteries also have their own characteristics and on deep discharge (write that the resistance of them with a full charge, which is illegal, falls)
Version abridged) (look on the recipient, his battery and asked the owner to this has come and if all arranged — start the process):
Shut down all the machines, throw the terminals on the battery with the correct polarity, run donor, wait 5-20 minutes, killing the donor, remove the terminal, run the recipient. Does not start — repeat, or go, run well)
Full version:
1. You can charge those who have battery voltage the same (in trucks can be 24 volt).
2. You-the head of the process, regardless of the role of the donor/recipient. In the minds of people is a mess (will explain why below), control the every action of the process.
3. Touch battery of the recipient.
If the battery of the recipient warm or hot, and the car did not go anywhere — a sign circuit of the recipient, in this case, do not continue and leave.*(1)
But if it's cold and the car stood for a while at a temperature of from -10 may need to warm the battery into the cabin and try again without charging to start the motor. At -30 the battery freezes a little less than a day of downtime.
4. Both cars must be muffled and not to touch.
5. Connect the wires to the battery of the donor. The recipient must be connected observing correct polarity (and the order that fewer sparks were) + to +, — to — *(2) .
If the place of the battery of a recipient are not ventilated, there is high humidity ( shop or garage), or battery recipient looks weird — minus better to attach it to the body ground (Cup suspension hook for suspension of the engine, any unpainted iron piece) to avoid the possibility of undermining the released explosive gases.
6. Start the engine of the donor and wait 5-10 minutes. The recipient to hold on a short povodine machine.
7. Stop donor and remove the wires from the battery all the machines (first the negative).
8. Try to run the recipient. If nothing helps go back to step 4 and increase the initial interval of 5-20 minutes.
9. The jump-start is completed. This files most often successfully, otherwise, the battery itself is dead or the problem is not in it.
*(1) This paragraph has caused a heated discussion, short cans so not gonna give myself away, but short in the wiring itself will be given, but not for long as there is charge in the battery. Check that the heating takes place can paper clip and crown house.
Frozen fully battery when you touch is as cold pole.
*(2) is Also causing controversy associated with the practice. The instructions are usually written for the mass, sometimes what is not and only manual Suzuki explain why: to prevent possible explosion of detonating gas from a spark.
But the probability of explosion in practice is extremely small: modern batteries are mechanisms for pressure relief, sparking is most likely when removing the terminals, and the consequences of the explosion of mostly light fright and battery in the trash.
You can see on the explosion itself and its consequences.
The probability of explosion increases with: wet weather, a faulty battery, battery frozen (frost -30) and the lack of ventilation — these moments cover method.
In practice, the explosion in the worst conditions — it is as lucky. Recharged in a damp garage in winter, a faulty battery (from the faulty regulator was overcharging and boiling the electrolyte), and no explosion did not happen, although the charge she hissed.
If the probability of explosion is in fact small, then the probability of finding a bad ground is very high. For fun will ring negative terminal and a potential (unpainted) fastening crocodile in a modern car to find a good point masses — no easy task without instructions to the machine. A good supply always on the glass rack, but even it is closed (on Skoda Rapid closed mesh of leaves for example, which is to remove without removing the brush impossible).
In addition, we always lose at the wire at the terminals of crocodiles. Now imagine what the contact area on the bolt of the strut and which to the battery terminal. The loss in cross-section to be able to stand for 20 minutes and not run what is charged by the terminals and then starts successfully after 5 minutes, while not exploding.
Is it worth the loss in cross-section and time minimal risk of explosion — You decide. If the manufacturer specified a specific point mass on the body or engine — use it.
Alternative safe option. (actually, without the donor car)
Is called starting from the live battery or Jump Start.
1. Put a live battery beside his truck and throws crocodiles in the following order:
+ battery to + of battery cars, battery to ground on the engine *.
2. Start the machine and allow to work for some time 3-10 min (time warming up the motor enough).
3. Park the car, disconnect the wires starting with the cons.
4. Start the car and leave, removing the battery from the road)
*Here the weight should be good and in cross section will only win, as a lot will take the starter and the engine block, which are bolted.
And now I'll try to explain why so many manuals, the concept of the jump-start out of date, and in the minds of people mess.
d-cd.net/bca936as-960.jpg width=960 height=720 itemprop=contentUrl>Although it is reliable, it's not perfect. In connection with the impending environmental and nishtyak in the form of a / C idle carb sometimes regulated motor, which was ruled by coinjecting control unit. But this only applies to some foreign cars.
From about 1985 (and maybe even a little earlier) cars began to appear electronic components, in particular control fuel injection. The old concept of lighting was to sink into oblivion back then, but not sunk. Before to explain everything, delve into the past in order to understand why the jump-start everywhere described in different ways.
In those days, when the fuel injection system could survive a nuclear war, and electromagnetic pulse, and programming resource were only for household lamps (for lamps of the car shaking spoil the whole raspberries probably) when battery has been simple:
1. Using wires of large cross-section connected donor: first the pros the advantages and disadvantage of the mass donor to the recipient.
2. The donor car was. And the pedal maintain the momentum. circa 2000.
3. The recipient wound up the machine and then the terminals are disconnected.
Sometimes the process cut - start a car without battery, and then throw it on the terminals.
The car is not harmed clearly — it was primitive, without electricity and such schemes lighting survived until our days, because AVTOVAZ only in 1994 released the injector. The consumer was not ready for such and until 2006 (when the Euro was introduced-2) people are buying the old reliable and serviceable carburetor.
Took a little less than 10 years since new cars in Russia are not sold with the carb. Has changed a lot: we got to the cars, spit on the archaic and horror stories. Now these cars are not even used, and "experienced" advisers left, lead to the vehicle too write anything. Now the car is a pile of electronic components, the main of which is the engine ECU. He often becomes a victim of lighting and the manual for the car could not be saved.
So let's understand why today it is impossible to light in the classical sense.
Electronics are extremely sensitive to surges and overvoltages and relay-regulators of the generators today are of a different design and circuitry.
It is worth noting that the faulty relay-regulator in the injector Sierra (ford sierra) set the voltage of the onboard network 16 to 18 volts, the whistling of the speakers, hissing from boiling electrolyte battery and flickering of everything came in the kit. The other car probably would not have survived such abuse for a long time, but back to the old algorithm.
1. Error today to throw the load on the machine running. Yes, the relay-regulator such drawdown digest a few times, but very smart ECU can easily hang a bunch of errors in the sensors, or will get those gauges where subsidence was more serious and voltage to the sensor comes low.
2. Bug today to try to start the engine when the donor is back on the donor drawdown, and then a sudden relief — the generator of the recipient. And serviceable if he had a regulator? Maybe at the time of Your relief is late and moved briefly above the nominal voltage, but it was enough to stall the car donor whose ECU was bedrooms (rumors are rumors, but ECU's do burn not necessarily from lighting).
3. Error and reset terminals of the washing machine. The load will not be lost, because the generator's kicked in it's not as noticeable, but still there is a risk that the regulator dropped the stone would not have time to process and in the battery there high voltage.
In these cases, the jump-start immediately dangerous. The automakers came to the same conclusion: someone bans a jump-start, someone writes an adequate statement someone writes to spit on the car of the donor (primarialy it is still going).
Any voltage drop is a risk, because the load is very large, and the condition of the car is unknown, but from changes affected donor: the voltage regulator may be imperfect. Also, the electromagnetic coils tend disabling to generate a pulse of reverse polarity and to generate may be just the starter motor donor.
Now about equally important. Wire.
5 meters will be enough for all.
Longer - better, more ratio is better (because of the section I recommend to hang on the negative, not ground, contact with the ground is often worse and that starts in 5 minutes of charging in this way may not be charged, if you connect a ground to the body). The situation for lighting are different and the battery can stand as 2.5 metres and 4-5 if both cars wide. The wire is imperative to carry in the winter.
Another question, what kind of problems that lead to the jump-start? Face it.
First of all, faults are mainly associated with the discharged battery, you can try to get the pusher (modern cars with catalytic domain starting with pusher and got raw fuel in exhaust), and you can recharge the battery. The following are the causes of low battery charge.
1. AKB. The most popular problem, the most popular and not always an objective decision.
The battery life behind the scenes 2.5-3 years. But a battery may last much longer. Why do so - a separate issue and has no clear answer.
Battery does not like to discharge the small charge is a so-called sulfation of the plates and the battery capacity. In order to revive, you can try to desulfatation, by using a small charging current (0,1*capacity battery or up to 1A). Charging it will go 20 hours, but it is possible that it revives the battery.
To check the battery only after it is fully charged. You can use a very crude method of assessing the state of the battery loading plug and the table. More details of the remaining capacity will show expensive devices.
Battery is often the source of problems with the launch, especially if the car with the standard signaling, for radio young and not a bit, but the problem is not in it (and battery manufacturers hoard money because of the low-skilled advisors).
2. Undercharge the battery
Diagnosed with a multimeter. With no load on the terminals should be 13.7 to 14.6 In (on average). And with the headlights and all the consumers not to fall below 13V (at least, in which there is no charge, on average, 13.7). Often this voltage check at idle, and at 2000-4000.
If this warning lamp battery clean-up — then the problem is with the alternator bad belt tension, the wire excitation, the voltage regulator, internal defects. But the lamp will pass the generator does not always, so you need to check it all separately with a multimeter.
But sometimes poor contact and other losses from the generator to the battery and if the alternator voltage is normal, terminal no — you need to improve the contact.
In older machines, very often the wires from the battery to the terminals are the source of the loss of 1 volt or more.
In this case, the drop occurs as due to oxidation on the terminals, and oxidation of the wires.
3. The discharge.
The process is natural and not ugly while the signaling and blocks consumed according to the prescribed norm.
Lemon alarm system installation, breakdown diodes in the Chinese radio and other blocks — the main cause of current leakage and discharge. A clear sign of any leak or the presence of leakage current to 1A or more. Sometimes without signalling it is not, and with the alarm it is.
Reasons (in descending order of probability): step-radio, after market alarm system, interference in the wiring, broken brake light sensor malfunction indoor units of the machine, a short circuit due to frayed wires (very rare).
How to verify and locate leakage in detail chewed in the Internet, in a nutshell, the leakage current of 30mA in average (but there are numbers and 30-150mA variety of sources, and we must consider that the electronic components of the machines go into sleep mode with a different delay, up to 40 minutes). If the leak is - throws on the night of the terminal. But in the winter battery will freeze quicker from this operation, especially between -20 and below.
The problem of course is not uncommon, but very often it is forgotten lights and stay in the cabin with the music when the engine is stopped with operating the stove).
Implications and practice
As practice shows, and comments often all goes well. Cars like mine can even without battery to work and there will be nothing. But can we say that all the cars are? No, of course.
"I'm 100 times doing the old fashioned way and everything is fine" — do next time the machine allows.
"In a book otherwise written" — book hybrid — the essential guide. But otherwise, the jump-start and its variants are dangerous for the donor. The manufacturer of the car a little spit whose concern donor, Toyota for example will still recommend the recipient to pass on a problem diagnosis.
In the comments unsubscribed donors-fire victims from the traditional method:
The jump-start hybrid www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=0#a141295668
VAZ 21074 and burned electrician www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=0#a141146679
A glitch from the lighting on 21123 www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=1#a141337229
Singed alternator for Honda CRV (II) www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=2#a141475327
From experience about Peugeot, Hyundai, Kia, Opel www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=2#a141395811
The machine of the author of the review www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141608638
RAV 4 and the burning brains www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141612777
Excavator and electrician www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=3#a141483455
Some people think they are fake brains is a myth. It just so happened that a constructive auto provides 2 types of regulator, separate regulator on the alternator (they are heterogeneous circuitry) and voltage control winding engine ECU. I think there's a connection, and You?
There is a perception that pinkie gets only the donor, and the voltage drops, the myth, insignificant and harmless — here is the winch and the audio is. Well, harmlessness is verified by the incandescent bulb and household network, one works in the city and the other in the village, where the construction is progressing and voltage drops are not uncommon. To whom the situation is familiar — it is obvious that where bulbs have to be changed more often) Where differences of course.
Affected recipients:
VW Tiguan www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=1#a141364658
Dodge SRT and a pack of errors in the ECU www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141607978
Opel and burning brain a HUNDRED www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=3#a141484759
Machine the comment author (although he is convinced that the reason is different) www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141642050
Still interesting to read the following discussion is about the voltage regulator, drawdowns and so on:
www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=3#a141510746
Confirmation that recharge by connecting to ground is to no avail, and to the terminal normally:
www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=3#a141527838
And another link for a tentative schedule of freezing of the battery at the temperature and the density of the electrolyte, as proof that winter battery will freeze right through in one night:
tak.tomsk.ru/yeto_nuzhno_znaty/
Don't be afraid to light the others, if you can manage people. Follow the instructions posted at the beginning of the article. And if You have a light — not to delay the repair. Thank you for your attention and special thanks to those who left sensible comments. And those who have thanked — thank you).
the inclusion of beam's electricians always advised (in my experience) and not instructions (recommendations )
Just an alternative method if without the work of the donor. But what about the jump — discharged to 0 battery and discharged is insufficient for the starter is 2 different loads. Links to the effects I added (there is already the recipients in particular).
And the us regulations for cars of the domestic market do suggest consumers to enable and keep momentum. But help is not always — in the comments was the discussion of the operation of the voltage regulator.
Well, Toyota recommends to do so after lighting to go in service on diagnostics).
grxd
In General, such as tired of answering the same attacks, so try universal answer.
1. "Yes, I did 100 times as it should, as written in other places, a normal car should be, tales of horror, the bike "
Well, and do further
so Your car was designed well, it works and so on. But on it light a wedge has not converged, as evidenced by comments: 2107 injector, after lighting a half burned down fuse. Tiguan — burned MDPS and some problems surfaced. And people write about the practice of repair after pretoriani, particularly unflattering about the electrics of the French (Peugeot), and write about the generator too.
2. Criticism and accusations out of nowhere.
Constructive criticism is always taken into account. I have corrected the voltages, leak — OK, proved, checked, corrected. Also complaints were difficulty — added a short version, which will settle in the head in fact.
There are comments, of which I'm trying to pull technical justification. Most often I don't get is, people repeat someone else's thought, and to explain how such insights can't.
But the most common criticism is reminiscent of populist statements. There was even the accusation that criticism is not welcome here.
If I hadn't welcomed constructive criticism, comments would be disabled sooner or later. And such imgur.com/zipwbIm garbage I do not do.
It happens that you do not read the entry, but leave a comment on the content or part of it or start to distort the words. People read what they want to read and sometimes write comments.
Something like that. Who need to draw their own conclusions.
less need for a lot of repelent. and the engine will not start faster start than to waste time charging it up his Akuma and if the donor opened to light, to turn the dim light to make sure nothing burned out if the race.
grxd
No, that was brief)
In the comments unsubscribed donors-fire victims from the traditional method:
The jump-start hybrid www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=0#a141295668
VAZ 21074 and burned electrician www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=0#a141146679
A glitch from the lighting on 21123 www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=1#a141337229
Singed alternator for Honda CRV (II) www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=2#a141475327
From experience about Peugeot, Hyundai, Kia, Opel www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=2#a141395811
The machine of the author of the review www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141608638
RAV 4 and the burning brains www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141612777
Excavator and electrician www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=3#a141483455
Some people think they are fake brains is a myth. It just so happened that a constructive auto provides 2 types of regulator, separate regulator on the alternator (they are heterogeneous circuitry) and voltage control winding engine ECU. I think there's a connection, and You?
There is a perception that pinkie gets only the donor, and the voltage drops, the myth, insignificant and harmless — here is the winch and the audio is. Well, harmlessness is verified by the incandescent bulb and household network, one works in the city and the other in the village, where the construction is progressing and voltage drops are not uncommon. To whom the situation is familiar — it is obvious that where bulbs have to be changed more often) Where differences of course.
Affected recipients:
VW Tiguan www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=1#a141364658
Dodge SRT and a pack of errors in the ECU www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141607978
Opel and burning brain a HUNDRED www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=3#a141484759
Machine the comment author (although he is convinced that the reason is different) www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=4#a141642050
Have to follow the algorithm, I would not want to add to the list.
seregaCVT
Came to us 2 cars with a burnt ECU after lighting — the Nissan cube and the Toyota Vits
this happens due to the fact that confuse terminals, battery plus and minus at jump-start
Well, theory is theory, but in practice personally the 2nd customers changed the ECU after lighting
From the truck lit up chtoli? ))))Greater than 16 volts in the vehicle electrical system in any WAY can not be, unless the generator is defective of course))))
acvolinn
Like a well-written, but it's all reassurance. Nitiin control unit dviglom from lighting yet did not...theoretically — can fly regulator for the gene to give a light with the engine running. What is the charging current in the car know though? But if simultaneously to include the middle far + fog lights? So compare currents)))) Naturally the car donor is better off in light to all and the radio is desirable, too. But that's all)))
Came to us 2 cars with a burnt ECU after lighting — the Nissan cube and the Toyota Vits
Aureum
You are certainly a scholar, but also seems to truant from school) Current will flow from the source with a higher voltage, and this source I hope you have heard the generator to keep the voltage it will overwork . It's basic physics.
Will not, he will give as much as you can give and that's it.
jurik-71
I have a friend recently 190th Akuma blew up. Ripped like a grenade. Well no one was hurt. So there's less laughter, more of the brain.
A dead cold battery which is within 10 minutes of trying to revive not bahnet ever.
The fact that the iron tends to rust. The necessary condition is the oxygen and water from them and rust. But if the current flows - faster rust.
Example: in podkapotka I have 2 relays to switch on the cooling fans (1 relay for ventialtor). One fan turns on often the other hand, when the temperature of the overheating almost.
For 1 year without lubrication relay contacts are often the fan is rusted so that the contact is gone. But the second was all right.
Podkapotka - aggressive environment itself (dirt, temperature changes and possible condensation) in the case of battery there is still the acidic environment that accelerates the process of oxidation.
So the point is simple — to protect the contacts from water and air as well as suspected chemically aggressive environment.
Very informative. Many bukaf, really... niasilil all. Sometimes just ran. Well, once you understand this, tell me, what's the point in greasing the terminals with grease? Some argue that it is essential, others do not and I have not heard any official recommendations on this topic.
Volgarist
Ipat you Alesha it. I can not understand why, but how to understand the jumper cables directly to the stranded Akuma?
what can you not directly?
You yourself Alyosha) directly — this means connect the positive terminal from the battery of the "donor" to the stranded battery and negative terminal, respectively, negative. I.e. "plus" to "plus" and "minus" with "minus" ! And should be : "plus" to "plus" and "minus" to "MASS".
MECTHAY
well, not directly + from the donor on + of battery and — by, if required (minus) the donor and the weight of the body you have) That is the only true way since then)
You are absolutely right.
Volgarist
Paul well you would say that. Right, minus to ground! Like))
Well, I'll have the same thing wrote! And you could not understand)
MECTHAY
I wouldn't trust you and nut on the wheel to spin if you say that the engine is not powered for the weight of the body. teach Mat part then if there are gaps don't need navyalivat force their opinions under the guise of pseudo-righteousness(((
And by the way Clem and minus the weight of the body are always interconnected...And answer me one question if you know the answer of course as the current flows through the wiring of the car, the sequence in which polarity?) And why all the same "wire" as you call it (not minus Clem) from the engine goes (screwed) to the body?
and I have no where it was written that negative to the engine not provorachivaetsya
also you Scorpio 80g of issue and did not see anything the poor man and you're my son even if do not know what body in the case plenty to do when not rushed and the Germans you have only seen in movies wee not reasonable look older
Wow, wow, police kid! What I the son? While you're in the garage basics repair pelvic learned (and I don't fully understand as I look) Your humble servant already dismantled and collected all the famous Germans with their eyes closed. And finally go to the basement, a Professor of sour shchi! Stop trolling, the answer won't you do what I wrote above (teach math) And Yes I understand the lack of demand and a midlife crisis at almost zero (ageing) of the strength and capabilities harmful thing spoils the character (as you have) making the arrogant who believe the only correct only the opinion of a sheep, resting on the fact that he even said is not correct\written\advised. And Yes, two — I feel sorry for the poor souls whom you have taken for the repairs.
terminal son is that soldered on the wire ends and between the terminals is a wire on my Nissan from the minus of the battery, one wire, it prevernal to the body and then to the transmission. all in all vases minus prevernal to the body of the thin wire and thicker wire prevernal to the head and to the body minus prevernal for that would work in the car all the electrics and the engine minus separately because it hangs on rubber pads sometime in the early 90s I hitched a lot from the body to the engine but not to the crankcase and to the engine and there was no wire and how it was called braid can on your car from the body to the crankcase but it was produced from the mid 80's x I Mat portion 39 years of study into practice son repairing machine such as you're smart
I wouldn't trust you and nut on the wheel to spin if you say that the engine is not powered for the weight of the body. teach Mat part then if there are gaps don't need navyalivat force their opinions under the guise of pseudo-righteousness(((
And by the way Clem and minus the weight of the body are always interconnected...And answer me one question if you know the answer of course as the current flows through the wiring of the car, the sequence in which polarity?) And why all the same "wire" as you call it (not minus Clem) from the engine goes (screwed) to the body?
39 years ride and fix cars but that would be with the body on the Carter went weight the first time I heard already 15 years old, weight is minus Akuma on the body next to the akum always a stud is welded, and the thicker wire goes to the engine and the Nissan single wire, it prevernal to the body and then to a carton
sasa1958
on the weight of the engine minus mesh and not on the body
it is the same if that) Clem masses from the sump where you have prokruchenny?)))
A light car of a neighbor with a dead battery, I have the engine worked. The car started up with sex trafficking. He's got the battery 2 times as much as I was. Everything is OK.
Once the punks were asked to light the Subar ' (which after Parking not to get upset with their words), after 10 minutes they tried to precruise from another machine didn't boot up. A light was left. The Subar ' obvious malfunction, a light is as useless
grishakrasiy
A lot of variants, for example the wires 35 KG-or Pugu 1х35, or even a larger cross-section, they are crocodiles to catch and all.
As an option to put AGM-battery. I 40ач AGM without problems launches with a capped donor to another car. And in principle, if ensure that there is no drawdown on the wire from the battery-from the donor prior to discharge consumer, why would muffled by a donor not to have
Why 35? I have a wire made of KG-16, crocodiles opany. Great plow, even had the KAMAZ them to have
dakaxxx
From experience with the electrics of the car will tell you that a light is possible but not all cars, some brands I would have forbidden to even think about it.
And so with both machines nothing will happen if you put the wires on both cars and have a donor, after 5-10 minutes of operation turn the motor off and start the car to re... (as it) is shorter than the body.
According to this scheme, clearly the problem is not not for anyone.
Now, about the packaging, brand owners especially Peugeot models 206, 308, 406 forget what it's like to have a light or someone, you the bitch is dangerous, even terminal to remove. Such attitude Hyundai Sorento, Opel Vectra and Astra last. There are still a few cars but do not recall any
Yes, it was on the Opel akum villages decided to light, so this bitch ECU blocked.
I described in the case of blocking was not.
Because the battery sat down, the "experts" took the field. Did not realize the truth polarity :-)
The result:
1. Before 275А power on to the starter;
2. Power pred to 80A on-Board electronics;
3. Half m/s CAN the ECU for a replacement;
4. Repair and installation (engine) fuse block. Recovery of burned compounds.
Car1s0n
Quite often! Now restored Opel Astra J GTC 2011
Sat battery, then lit it, and then to us by the tow truck
Yes to throw it is necessary for Opel spices is locked when removing clamps from the battery. ie stupidly removed battery to charge not when you reattach the block to the ECU.
3,14 zdets Lope of letters about a jump-start on the thesis enough. Waiting for a post about the fill nezamerzayki, replacement bulbs, about oil change will be even more fun :)))
how many are not lit up. problems nebylo.(Yes, Yes, you can breed demagoguery about lost brain, predohranaa starters and the mother of God)
common, threw the wires(well, here I think it is clear) wait a few moments and set up, if not immediately, usually the donor podrazumevaet...
and then this article. a lot of letters...
read finally about to "jump-start" through the cigarette lighter.
here there Yes, need manual... from 1-St row. The cigarette lighter of the donor into the cigarette lighter... of recipient, or whatever... stick a special cord with two plugs to cigarette lighter, wait 30 minutes take out of the cigarette lighter plug and start, just not all the hood is opened mechanically.
voted I understand the difficulty, and then paraspinal text out of nothing.
and sometimes light from under denissa(when doors do not open mechanically). but it is quite difficult, here that used from battery to light an entire article with black lines )
A lot of letters, not an indicator of the "talent" of the author .
Guide to very modern and literally "hammered" under the hood electronics engine FA-20 DIT:(page 9-13)
only 6 years old! points; 4th paragraph:"... (-) to the nut mounting rack run"; 5th paragraph: "...start the engine of the "donor"(with) and keep on "moderate" speed to start the engine with the low battery...".
That is characteristic: since the carburetor Kariba (Toyota), and if you go back in time - Moskvich 412 all still there. The author was surprised by the "depth" of the abuse of the ordinary :)) for the Russian winter process.
BlackVolg
do not quite understand the meaning of written. Take (relatively) the battery voltage given by the alternator voltage regulator = 14,4 V. turn the music up, the voltage will go from (again, conditionally) from 12 to all the same 14.4 V maximum. Explain to me how music can help the appearance of the battery 16 or 18 volts? I like when the car is thrash or death metal hammer fervently, so much so that the earwax from the ears off, but the voltmeter is why it shows the range of 13.5 to 14 V. never seen any 18-20V.
The ECU can withstand kratkovremennoe a power surge (especially on older engines, like mine), but the new tender cars don't like that. I have a friend so a few years ago decided "good thing" to do is light a six frozen. Threw the wire. he started his RAV4 began to twist the top six. After a few seconds the ball was got and Rafik went out. The service was naturally sent for a new ECU instead of "boiling" from the surge of the old block. He then, like 18 000 got (took on disassembly).
So call morons all around and preach the old-fashioned ways, of course. But then do not anyone to be offended. when something burns)))
In General, we have democracy — who else wants to, etc...so I personally will better be reinsured.
The voltmeter, especially a digital measurement is not made in real time, and discrete, through small equal intervals of time. This is done for convenience, so the numbers on the display at the crazy has not changed. Basically the same thing with the regulator that controls the output voltage of the generator. When the pile for louder music, then this relay can simply not keep up switch and the onboard network can cause emissions of more than 14V. Voltmeter these emissions may simply not see, because his refresh rate is less. The jump-start the same as the bass, because at the moment when the turns of the starter current is obtained huge.
"And another link for a tentative schedule of freezing of the battery at the temperature and the density of the electrolyte, as proof that winter battery will freeze right through in one night:
tak.tomsk.ru/yeto_nuzhno_znaty/ "
"Warm inside," is this a joke? Even in a warm room on a battery half the ice melts)
well KZ I think we will see the connection. And again, your live will burn accum wire lighting if they are close, but not suffer.
A polarity reversal is to connect the minus with the plus and the plus-minus — here is exactly fejjerverk the consequences will be )
Yes, even when a dead ghoul, what can he do? might wind up with a faulty relay-regulator, giving the network 50 volts. But it's your BATT will eat and not choke.
I think even here in most cases inept factor and albeit short-lived, but the polarity )
I'm sure burning the brains of the machine from not ispravnosti stiff. Is the dead boy on this one and the owner doesn't understand why Akkum villages or whatever does not give a car to start. Think I'll ask for a light maybe you will succeed.
Turezkiy
Chita podobnom the topic is not the first time. But the first time came up with the idea. On the donor car navedenom burning brains. We often hear, and that is a dead patient? It's his starter in 70A. And then I suddenly remember that jeeps winch veshatsya directly on the terminals of the battery. And from these terminals 300A sucked under and more. And to this who have toiletery brains? Never heard of it. And yet the process of lebiine not a one-off. Sometimes to remove the auto driver several times nadime the button, winding the winch i.e. a few so-called runs. And once again the current is over 300A. So maybe it's not, in principle, recharge a dead car, and his health. If the dead person is not normal, why he KZ, etc. then asterisk to die and the donor, but if indeed the dead man froze in the winter then nothing will happen. But TKT the second point if the deceased is not working properly, it means his feeding/pozarane 5-20 minutes are also able to disable our brains and generator.
So. Thousands of cars with winches, winches guzzle more starter and work much longer starter and all living things.
Met such a thing but did not understand what it means, you know that the starter 70A
Well, even in 5 times of 70*5=350A
Winch Electric Winch 12000 LBS (forum.auto.ru/4x4-offroad/100345/)
Load/Current
4000lbs/220A
8000lbs/330A
12000lbs/450A
The starting current of the starter — familiar with the concept, it is 5 times more operating current.
Turezkiy
Chita podobnom the topic is not the first time. But the first time came up with the idea. On the donor car navedenom burning brains. We often hear, and that is a dead patient? It's his starter in 70A. And then I suddenly remember that jeeps winch veshatsya directly on the terminals of the battery. And from these terminals 300A sucked under and more. And to this who have toiletery brains? Never heard of it. And yet the process of lebiine not a one-off. Sometimes to remove the auto driver several times nadime the button, winding the winch i.e. a few so-called runs. And once again the current is over 300A. So maybe it's not, in principle, recharge a dead car, and his health. If the dead person is not normal, why he KZ, etc. then asterisk to die and the donor, but if indeed the dead man froze in the winter then nothing will happen. But TKT the second point if the deceased is not working properly, it means his feeding/pozarane 5-20 minutes are also able to disable our brains and generator.
"It's his starter in 70A" — you confit with scooterclub confused :))
Discrete or not, and winch eats 4 times more starter and auto live. Correct winch of course.
There is written also about the readability and the multimeter is in fact not an indicator www.drive2.ru/b/2423974/?page=5#a141848903
Went to the link, there the people write that they have genes for 100вольт give ))) I have not even serviceable regulator so not chudil, but serviceable and certainly 14.3 clamped in the machine . Last year went through and changed the controller after a long storm under water. The spread is literally 0.2 volt
Chita podobnom the topic is not the first time. But the first time came up with the idea. On the donor car navedenom burning brains. We often hear, and that is a dead patient? It's his starter in 70A. And then I suddenly remember that jeeps winch veshatsya directly on the terminals of the battery. And from these terminals 300A sucked under and more. And to this who have toiletery brains? Never heard of it. And yet the process of lebiine not a one-off. Sometimes to remove the auto driver several times nadime the button, winding the winch i.e. a few so-called runs. And once again the current is over 300A. So maybe it's not, in principle, recharge a dead car, and his health. If the dead person is not normal, why he KZ, etc. then asterisk to die and the donor, but if indeed the dead man froze in the winter then nothing will happen. But TKT the second point if the deceased is not working properly, it means his feeding/pozarane 5-20 minutes are also able to disable our brains and generator.
Aureum
You are certainly a scholar, but also seems to truant from school) Current will flow from the source with a higher voltage, and this source I hope you have heard the generator to keep the voltage it will overwork . It's basic physics.
odd you new physics some preach, skipping all the same
elektrics304
Don't know about you but I know the battery + and battery +, — to do it not immediately but after a winter where almost every day for 5-10 cars to light after the winter around February my brains on the car broke the momentum dance AKB shows the crinoline tester measures the 14V and 18V crinoline says the temperature in reality shows 60 90 and so on. The result of all after the communication with different Electricians were told (Someone get you a light — weight just for the engine + on Klem battery if it has a dead battery the car will start smoothly and then it's his problem) the Donor is also the one who lights up a lot better to take from the masses if you are not sure about the other battery + terminals from the battery total replacement of brains and flashing money spent 8000R before the crisis now will be more expensive
But I wish somebody explained why you want to cling to the engine, not the battery.
Electrician electrician strife. And in recording are described recharging, and not a jump-start in nature.
Don't know about you but I know the battery + and battery +, — to do it not immediately but after a winter where almost every day for 5-10 cars to light after the winter around February my brains on the car broke the momentum dance AKB shows the crinoline tester measures the 14V and 18V crinoline says the temperature in reality shows 60 90 and so on. The result of all after the communication with different Electricians were told (Someone get you a light — weight just for the engine + on Klem battery if it has a dead battery the car will start smoothly and then it's his problem) the Donor is also the one who lights up a lot better to take from the masses if you are not sure about the other battery + terminals from the battery total replacement of brains and flashing money spent 8000R before the crisis now will be more expensive
SuperBlackBird
you try in plastic containers to fill petrol at the gas station and then another hand filling pistol.
were these books interesting, they are on the ring road in the late 90th handed out for free. Useful starnicy driving they were called. Here at me such was, there, I'm out of it and learned knowledge, and how to light it and what R the tire is not a radius, according to some assholes. Look, anyone can and will find. That's what the title. USEFUL pages
the technical rationale is to eliminate sparking.
By the way, and really began to wonder what would happen if in plastic containers to fill petrol and to transfer other gas gun?))
I'll add:
If you give me a light — my car NOT START and the ignition not to turn. (It is possible to avoid problems with your zaglushina electrician)
Threw the wires on both muted machine — wound up — well, no — good-bye, blow the service.
If the accum standards, this start, even multiple, battery your not going to jail.
the wires controversial: Long - better, more section - better
Better still when shorter. At high currents the losses less.
grxd
In General, such as tired of answering the same attacks, so try universal answer.
1. "Yes, I did 100 times as it should, as written in other places, a normal car should be, tales of horror, the bike "
Well, and do further
so Your car was designed well, it works and so on. But on it light a wedge has not converged, as evidenced by comments: 2107 injector, after lighting a half burned down fuse. Tiguan — burned MDPS and some problems surfaced. And people write about the practice of repair after pretoriani, particularly unflattering about the electrics of the French (Peugeot), and write about the generator too.
2. Criticism and accusations out of nowhere.
Constructive criticism is always taken into account. I have corrected the voltages, leak — OK, proved, checked, corrected. Also complaints were difficulty — added a short version, which will settle in the head in fact.
There are comments, of which I'm trying to pull technical justification. Most often I don't get is, people repeat someone else's thought, and to explain how such insights can't.
But the most common criticism is reminiscent of populist statements. There was even the accusation that criticism is not welcome here.
If I hadn't welcomed constructive criticism, comments would be disabled sooner or later. And such imgur.com/zipwbIm garbage I do not do.
It happens that you do not read the entry, but leave a comment on the content or part of it or start to distort the words. People read what they want to read and sometimes write comments.
Something like that. Who need to draw their own conclusions.
all these "warmed half of the previous" occur because confusing the pros and cons with the jump-start when connected
Most Vazov is disabled when the battery voltage of the generator jumps up to 22 volts.
Discovered by accident, checking the generator on the stand for testing alternators, fell off the wire from the battery and the voltmeter showed 22V. This is an example of the fact that when checking the generator "by removing the terminal" burned ECU engine surge.
Oh, wise guy ... the vehicle ECU, such as for example the European bolshevskoe can easily withstand up to 24вольт and EVEN a REVERSAL ... and you are a light pissing
problems likely arise in places sucks contact Chinese crocodiles
kg/s author writes pop music not having sufficient information about the Mat
Shoti4
I like this light:
plus on plus, minus on minus, got a donor, 5 min then start repelent and after that off the wire at navidena repelente. So it was not necessary to do?)
I also...
Panterkin13
Pancake is always lit up (Yes, probably like many) drove up threw a wire + to + and -to — on the battery are not backwoods her, waited a bit and opened a second car. And as that is not what went down.
similar)
Classic2508
+to+ and — to is always the motor to the body but never to — all the rules of car even imeetsya special plug hook which come out with the mass of the body or engine and not from the minus of the battery. after starting the donor just occidentem minus ie ubiraem with the mass of the donor then at then +
In such comments the author does not respond)))))
Lubitelkhv
A lot of letters. In fact:
1. When you jump-start the donor perenapravljaetsja relay-regulator, if not stop the engine. The current starter But not 100-120, it's much higher. May work if the recipient battery is not completely dead.
2. Due to high current there is no sense in thick wires, even though the KG-250. The contact area between the wire and terminal with crocodiles ... no. PS. crocodiles do not use, dividing the wire into two pigtails bolted to the terminals
3. Always those who can't start the car not turn the starter, and sverkayut. Type "burn" the starter.
And now imagine a piece of steel and copper, weighing 3-5 kg cooled in the cold. How much is it to heat the starter current, it is necessary to "burn"?
So spin, spin until you start. We still after first cylinders to air from the previous run attempt. And change the candles, pour the oil into the cylinders do not want in the cold. In the summer it is a light piece of cake. But in the winter ...
If the equipment is not Yours, do not open the hood.
Good luck on the road.
burned wire inside - namely, the lacquer melts and the windings short-circuit occurs
Santeri1984
Read above!) And better read the manuals to the car!
And not to be confused with the warm soft!)
Dear experts, please advice the density in the battery banks of 1.17 to 1.18 and then it is not (since 1,5 years).
Long charging no effect not gives, but the starter turns confidently, battery AKOM 3.5 year old.
What are the thoughts on this?
Take the crown-charged, take the clip, make the conclusions of the crown and make sure it heats up)
Timer-dim
Not saying anything, but I was lit up many times, different cars. (well, expensive cars are rarely of course), and nothing happened.
Eight years ago, after lighting, bmw e38 went to the dealer on the tow truck. Ordering the engine ECU, the two-week wait up to 40 thousand rubles.
Okay, I understand — all the same winding as nikruti undercooked in the end, it just is not very good, and now back to Kalina, who knows how it go, etc., there is a chance that he was tired and the result, but again, not the fact that there coil is burned, there are some genes where the regulator burns out and eventually replace it Mustay 60-70% of the cost of the new that changed guys gene, touch what exactly what happened to us is not written(
The motor in the winch is often more powerful than the starter. Load there can and will increase for a while until getting out of the slack rope, it is idling a hundred eats. And every start of the winch under load — so in General from the maximum consumption.
And still all this does not matter, because the live battery all the consumption peaks smooth.
And as the experience of all users of the winch, even with a dead battery running the winch the generator is not particularly harmful. I think it's due to the decent internal resistance of the generator. The generator may not issue the requested current -> voltage -> drops and current consumption.
Let's separate
!) Start donor a load on the starter
2) of the winch load which is evenly vzrosleet
if wrong, happy to hear why
Winch consumes up to 400 A, is significantly longer than the starter. When the voltage drops until about 7 volts (I have), the car just stalls.
LaCrema
Starter Touriga not eating more starter viburnum. Themselves probably did a good job. To burn a load generator is not easy.
wrong, the winding of the generator easily seat, the bole starting courage I think RANS 500A and genych this difference is not in a rush
You're the one without a head, starter with battery consumes 250 amber and not from the generator. Do not rummage fucking.
so potreblyaet it at the time when the gene is not spinning, but if put in the of the donor brush and the winding take
Danilabel
Choteau do not quite understand, if I was lighting a neighbor on the Gazelle, from your diesel Vauxhall by Opel drowned was podsoedenit wires started Opel, in a minute not Glusha Opel brought the Gazelle that supposedly messed up something in the Opel or the Gazelle?
Opel could want to be a Gazelle and Vice versa
ahahha Yes where you such nonsense that I read, my head does not have what. What engine does the Battery in action. Damn that's a real crap thing to say...
Very good topic! Thank you once again edited your knowledge to be recharged! )) For VAZ 21083 lit up all the car as it was still! At least she didn't complain! )) Now The Honda Fit L1.3A and even if you want to light the same car, then alas, but no! Somewhere I read that this engine is not for rescue was born! ((
Two cases of these in the post this winter, I became a witness.
E60 BMW rather its owner parted with the ECU of his car lit dead father's car.
The second case is a colleague from work on the Opel omega lit neighbor, the relay controller provides overcharge, the car falls into an accident, akum boils and everything listed in the post author.
Be careful.History is not invented stories.
Yeah fuck should someone get a light ! Buy a new battery, or pour good oil" toad "presses, but then all winter with the wires in the garage running:" Men ! Give me a light ! Urgently need ".
what to lead the process, definitely need to this FACT and the FIRST rule...
As it is sat accum. asked a passing...
Wound up quickly... but the machine is not kept idle and stalling. asked to disconnect the wires to the driver...
and this wise man was disconnected from his car and put it on my car... thank God nothing burned)
Links are not working. Classic injection time 10 got another battery, then disconnected and put his dead, which successfully and then was charged by genes. Own your aweseom not just a light recipient does not Glusha your car. In the end everything is OK...What did I do wrong?
I always hated those pundits.
how many cars I have not lit always stupidly cling + to + and — to —
joined, started, a little Pogosova and voila — the patient wound up
complicate to themselves life clever !
and the blocks you have are because of the INEPT ! pedants #%Eva )))
Was in possession of toyoaki without can tire on Board so I was always lit and I lit up without thinking just leaks and damaged bulbs were not... Now there is tieka in the family, intuitively came to the same procedure in the rescue repipe.as you there called;). Some guys insisted not turn off the engine when I want to try it for be done and in explaining the intricacies of the car sometimes nervous and even offended, not realizing all ravnopravno the reason for my refusal. Then I thought about one thing - if only from the psycho threw the patient my wire on the hood, and this one almost was.
Thank you ! Pick open the fuel pump yesterday already, contacts of the sensor cleaned, the float is fine... In General, crime is not found. The arrow fell into place with the second ( !) times. If it does not help pridetsja to undertake the clean-up.
Oddly enough, with a tidy. One friend was the trick associated with the feature of the alarm, whether with a fully discharged battery — the speedo needle sometimes went far beyond the maximum speed. Treated he is dismantling tidy and returning hands to normal position.
Thank you from the maker !
Guys, here's a question(from him :)
10 days in the cold the car was, I had to deal with crocodiles. The path had already discovered that the arrow on the fuel level has fallen over the max and was living there until the ignition is turned off. It may be the effects of lighting ?( a colleague says is garbage, just a coincidence) "Smoke" forums don't know where to start : with the sensor or with the fuel tank.
And this guide is not outdated it?
In the manual BMW says that the NEED to light a car with the engine running .
quote verbatim:
1. connect the wires, + to recipient + donor — donor to the recipient (the mass and not to the battery!)
2. start the engine of the donor and allow it to run for a few minutes
3. start the engine of the recipient. to include internal customers (fan, heated glass), to minimize the risk of damage from surges
4. disconnecting the wires.
next, take a ride on the dead car at least an hour so the battery charged
not a word about what you need to turn off the engine.
and what's wrong?
Ford fusion smoked Renault Logan and brains of Ford glyukanul, writes an error box and blocks access to the starter
Thank you, informative, today I made everything according to your instructions: it drowned out the Ford, threw the wires on the Fiat, Ford started, waited 10 minutes, again, drowned out of a Ford and started the Fiat. Battery from Fiat were planted in 5 volts. No problem.
Useful article, some moments, like a faulty on-Board equipment of the recipient, as it is not thought, though it might be. From the standpoint of an electrician, if you cling to body — contact is worse, given the potential for parts of the body, its articulation with the body/frame and the negative bus, etc. Safer to cling to the battery terminal (since the option with the explosion of the battery is quite unlikely).
For myself, I'll leave the technology JampStart, i.e.
1)to connect a live to a dead battery, disconnecting the negative terminal of the donor,
2) to have a recipient
3) disable BATT donor
4) return the "-" terminal on the donor.
PS. I came across an article, the author shared the experience of the successful use of AA batteries to start and operate the vehicle. Used batteries with maximum current of those that found. Stopped just on devices with background consumption — alarm, cassette, etc., as during the night they drank the accum low capacity.
The Chinese offer a lot of options JumpStarter, CarBooster and so on the subject of start a car in cold weather.
I saw one guy that every (!) morning, throughout the winter, stood in the morning with wires and asked for a light! Ska, when I am not wound up, I went to charge the battery at home and then went out and bought a new one. Honestly, I'm annoyed by those who ask for a light.