What do the manufacturers to reduce component life.

Yes, despite the fact that the reduction of service life of cars is an essential direction of technological progress caused by the desire to reduce the cost of production.
And I support it. Because I believe that there is no sense to make cars which will serve for decades.

Modern cars comes with inherent in it a life expectancy of 150,000 km Is about 3-5 years of operation.

Then the car start to roll and require more and more investment.

Here comes the next that modern cars need to change to a new one every 3-5 years or 150 000 km.

And again, I think this is correct and normal.

And used bought and will buy in the secondary market. The question of price.

During those 3-5 years a new car loses about 50-70% of the initial value.
And that's fine.

So if you buy Novo car for 15 000$
Then in 3-5 years it adequate value on the secondary market will be about$5000

But personally uninteresting to me how much the car loses value. I'm interested in how much to pay for it in a month because I'm going to buy a car exclusively in leasing. And after 3 years (after warranty) to change it again and again for a new lease.

Ie in fact I have such a scheme, always a new car, you can tell in the eternal rental.

And I think it's normal and comfortable.

Same theme I have for example with your mobile phone.

Over the past 10 years I have bought all the phones in installments.
I take the phone in installments for 1.5 years and after paying go get a new more modern phone and the old one to sell on the secondary market and I don't care how much it will cost on the secondary. For me it is important only the size of the monthly payment.

For me it's a one-time thing which task without problems to work 1.5 years.

Same goes for cars.

Further discussion is senseless because I already chewed even to the most stupid.

Yes, I, too, who is against. And here only a selection of cars and a shorter lifespan? I told you about it if the car is five years for the dump to go with bumping the engine and spilled a box, then fuck you who will buy it at the normal price in three years, and you, I'm going to change in Europe I will change in Europe.
Nah what Europe, my brother in law is already 10 years old so rides, takes prior, goes a year and a half and sells, now took the first lead, now they will change. Classmate in Moscow dentist, he earns more, but change less frequently (because the price drops sharply, prior poltos threw given, and gelding the hell are you sell) now on E200 W212 2016, next year it will merge and take something new, to 16 years were charged Golf a couple of years, he Kia led, takes all the new, he has no time in the garage to sit. What are the problems and where is Europe?

Good luck to you.
You can take it as you want.
For me it changes nothing.
I choose a new car, followed by its replacement on a new one every 3 years.

Igar82

According to the scheme in which you live in the civilized world.

Bought a new car lease for 3-5 years leasing a car for rent paid to the dealer (it goes to the credit of the first payment) and takes the new car back to the leasing.

Just statistics.
The average age of cars in the US is 11.4 years.
The average age of cars in Europe for 10 years.
Your theory is just talk.

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well, shipping and cod already did ))))

Totally agree. Too soon put. Kum 8 thousand have already passed.

today only put, advised teammates, while the runs are not large, everyone is happy, bad reviews about them I have not found ... if 30 000 depart, then it is well considering their cost

Yes, Vinnytsia)))
How much have You traveled?

I put exactly the same, Vinnytsia, many of them began to put, because the bones staba turned into consumables !

Thank you!

The ball joint should be the boot, and in the photo I saw.

Thank you very much! Like the ball joint is.
I usually take TRW, and here we have a firm that does such things and they call them reinforced, decided with the godfather for fun and test to try, he's already 8 K. rode, I just took it and had not set.
Photo obratnoi side

Depends on the suspension design. The details in the photo of the ball joint no finger savonarolan in rubber. Such details normally work in the hangers, where 1) stabilizer link is mounted between the control arm and a stabilizer and 2) moving the finger is small. In suspensions, in which the hinge is attached at one end to the stabilizer, and the other shock tower to the steering rack, these parts will last a long time, the finger at large angles of rotation will turn meat made of rubber, so in these suspensions used ball joints.

As expert, what do you think about these racks?

Progress

I'm going to do. Not only on credit and in leasing.

Take the credit, and how to pay it immediately and throw a car, and then the new loan and car. So the whole "civilized world" lives

Will be in about 2-3 years.

Igar82

50 will not. And to me this is unnecessary. But in 15 to 20 000$ more than you can.
15-20 000$/60 months. 250-330$ per month.
+ After 5 years you can return (by selling cars) about 40% of the original cost.

This scheme I was more than satisfied.

And what has already been purchased for today? Where is the new salon, which will have to go to the scrap after 5 years?

I'm happy for you.

Unlike rainbow clowns, I'm in this "civilized world" are more than you in the fresh air.

Another balabol brainwashed about the decadent West and so on.

Igar82

You look around!
With this need. So it's all good.

Another lying sack of shit, brainwashed about the "civilized world".

Probably so. But I, for one, would be better off buying a quality, albeit more expensive.

I agree, at the expense of the producers and live for the quality of their kicked out of the market.

It is possible that our market is going cheaper parts.

Can American Russian is not a friend and the liability to ZERO!
Plus udivlyayut product and look take Russian. Opyatzhe Russian direction of the wind do not change in the EU and the money takuu, but we always suck carried . Just like in the casino to feed and breed.
Today the West is building a new-generation equipment and they have no reason to harness the quality of exhaust technology!

We are clever, but they are even more cunning. Even with careful use, the resource products is still very limited, due to the lack of margin of safety.

You have to operate a car carefully! :)))

Totally agree with You. Unfortunately, it is.

This applies to absolutely everything, has long been important in the automotive industry engineers, and marketers whose goals are diametrically opposed, desires, and expectations of buyers .The only goal, money.

I agree, now it's the same everywhere, not just with car parts. Recently was looking for a heater in the apartment, a huge selection, but nothing to buy, a complete slag.

Well, as the owner of the Vase, and before that the Muscovites will agree that this crap exists. In ' 96 on Mosana was looking for a used knee, because the quality was better.
As a former radio mechanic can report that the current electronics sucks unreliable. Buying a cheap smartphone. There's at least honest that the one year warranty. However, he began to hear early. Do not take technique where the specified service life.
Say, were the TV Onida from Kaliningrad. At a stated term of 10 years fair work on 20. The manufacturer unknown.

make the eternal parts and machine makes no sense, because after 5 years the car changed to the more advanced . This is the trend . Of course the people of the old school would like to buy a car which will serve 20-30 years , but this will not be .

I agree, the cheaper. Plus another "bonus" — decrease the resource details.

The thing is that a simplified tax system, to reduce the cost of production of cars .

Alexander, thanks for the rating! For CTR 25 tkm mileage is still normal, they are approximately and go. Apparently, trying to make the resource even less.

Good day! Just yesterday, changed the steering tip of the CTR company, which withdrew 25K and I wondered why, and then your article. You clearly said my comments about the quality of products CTR. Thanks for the report!

I have seen this when buying clothes from the us and abroad. I think with parts could be the same.

Any salesperson will tell you that parts for our market and for European are very different, regardless of the brand . The market has taken, solvency is not, reduce the item so that the market is not to lose. In General, all because of the quality of life.

Not at all, but sometimes that ball really looks too small.

On new parts the diameter of the balls of the fingers even less than before

Never simply sign!)

Thank you. Always glad to new subscribers.

Then the signature! I love these studies!))

When you have interesting material.

Often writing this?

Thank you. Glad that you liked.

I'll give you that! Well done! Valuable information!

Please. Glad that you liked.

Thank You for the interesting and instructive material.

It is similar observations.

Yes, totally agree with you, native STG departed 65t. strums, put new was enough for exactly a year, winter and summer survived and PPC, well I thought it was a marriage, bought a new set and all the same exactly fucking year and zdohlo. And many complain that STG began frankly to do shit.

Thank you for rating.

Therefore I asked permission. And the article is very well written. Thank You

I don't mind. If you want to share on Drive2, then there is a button "Share". If you want to copy to another site, then add a link to the original article www.drive2.ru/b/3001448/ Just had a number of cases where people gave out my materials as their own, it was not very nice.

Do you mind if I share Your article? Loved it.

I agree with You, it was better to compare the same, but was not available. However, assume that the hinges are standardized, so the conclusions are likely correct. I myself, too I trust the CTR, but now stopped buying them.

The article is excellent. Only it is not correct to compare different racks. The comparison can be different with the same issues. But in General СТR have not trusted. To Nexia bet your ball, was nearly 2500 km. Set TRW have forgotten them and sold. Thousand 15 Tosno has lain at me. The price difference was exactly 2 times. But the quality...

Road — Tverskaya (mostly) + the Moscow region Driving was not always accurate, in that year, a couple of good wells were scored.

Yes, an excellent result. Apparently, good roads and careful driving.

3 years, 60+ thousand km on lincah CTR. How would too much for aftermarket, not factory parts. While not knock.

Yet we can say, wild capitalism, to lay claim to the quality of parts when it breaks down, almost unreal. I am surprised, for example, that a vacuum cleaner or refrigerator year warranty-three, and spare parts, depends on your life guarantee is in fact not.

heartbreaking, but a fact of existence.

and this will go on until until the the system that will be hard to require a specific resource on the technique and, most importantly, effectively on the first call, to punish the ruble vendor/manufacturer for "non-conforming goods".
what uzhos going on in the plumbing on the market for example. and with the auto chassis is it may be a criminal crime, in fact!

how fabulously looked some American movie, where he sued the automaker, which deliberately did not eliminate the fatal flaw of the design, calculating the statistics that the insurance for potential accidents money to pay less than the elimination of the defect:/.

Yeah, plus periodic replacement of the lubricant helps to increase the resource.

Therefore, when buying you have to fill them шрб4 or counterparts, and the anthers do not always have time to replace with normal ones. And the exploited.

I agree, in today's environment sometimes there is no sense to overpay for brands and their imaginary quality.

Yes, the truth can. Unfortunately new is increasingly becoming a not very durable stuff. So I take a penny for the dismantling of the murdered one side of hinge cut +welding, and new reliable stabilizer welded, two bet and go with the advanced replacement of the lubricant. The second option is portable to do through the wizard on a lathe. But to choose each his way. You can just change every 30tysyach.

It is not our methods.)

You can sell the car and not to worry, no car, no problem. Let others have a headache)

Polyurethane bushings I put, are fine. And what about polyurethane stands stabilizer reviews contradictory.

The polymer of the NSC, where I ordered the supplies to springs, there are polyurethane stabilizer bar bushings . doing themselves. Look as an alternative

Well

Sadly, it's not even a marriage, conscious reduction of construction.

All defective parts are thrown in and good shops to their cars. This is the only plus. And so many disadvantages from the fact that original parts not because it produces all of the parties or a third-party company for contracts and agreements with this or that brand;)

For myself, I chose Sidem. Selection criteria see www.drive2.ru/b/2920141/

So what to put ?

I agree. Also before installing the parts lay the grease.

The main profit. I when buying new stands, filled grease in them and condensed the lower part, I have a small o-ring was, but rubber)

Everyone's right to disagree. Engine mount, for example Febi — full ...clearly. And HUTCHINSON sell felled with inscriptions Volvo. And serve for longer times. At the steering tie rods and racks staba the same. Ball generally slag.
In General, despite what is considered a great resource yet. His car had to replace the suspension components, for example, on the 117 000 (tie rods and rack staba). 170 000 zeropower one shock front. by this time, however, replaced already and a ball, and tie rods, again with ferrules (AE notorious changed on lemforder, but I think that is also in vain.).

VoldymarU

I can not say about Asian brands, but AF for Volvo, which as "original" or brand, which comes in the original, are rebuildning. Ie restored from the B/C. But they are often better than any Febi, GP, etc.

I do not agree about ina. Set himself on Skoda silenty rear Predna levers. Febi, a piece of iron-housing with markirovki Gretsch drums and bands original vahovsky. It's possible they go on the road, only on the piece of iron will be marking Vaga.

Yes, the largus chase sometimes, God forbid, and do not complain

Are certified and without stabilizers. My friend Lada Largus from the factory without the stabilizer.

I think they need to be certified and nothing more

On some models of cars do not put, and anything, go.

I do stabilizers and stab rack removed, did not feel the difference what they are, that they are not(riding fast), the site of Magicians assembled, more than 100T km so ezdiyu

Rebild is practiced by manufacturers. It is believed that the restored at the factory a detail is not worse than new. Of course, it is not so, but still better than the item made by unknown Chinese masters somewhere in the basement.

I can not say about Asian brands, but AF for Volvo, which as "original" or brand, which comes in the original, are rebuildning. Ie restored from the B/C. But they are often better than any Febi, GP, etc.

All can be, from it nobody is insured. But I'm not in the alley of huckster bought. Besides, I bought the package ZF/Lemforder, and this company is officially packing details CTR (it's their partner). So if a fake, then double under Lemforder and CTR, and it is less likely.

It's just a leftist.Fake.

Metal without heat treatment, the simplified construction details etc. are All attempts to reduce the cost of production.

Original front stab out xl (even from the factory), file finger Neher how to do grinds, as if made of tin.
Try it Taz finger to whittle down...

Maybe so.

In specification footprint "drawings" in the contract the delivery time for the conveyor of the customer, but release details for this term more clearly, because when the contract terms end, lemfoerder on the details later in the manual zapilivat original Meursault-articles, it is often met when the party comes to details.

Watching as the written contract. Must be some kind of specification that CTR is obliged to comply with as the supplier. Another question, what are the requirements for products laid down in this specification.

And I believe it was like this:
At the time of signing the contract the producer with lemforder they did well, then went and changed, because the contract is already signed 😉

Thank you for rating. Unfortunately, this picture is everywhere, not only with spare parts.

All clearly written with an example like was like was! The author well done! Thanks for the info, although udevlyus have nothing!

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Just now, useless things with very long service life, instead, it is necessary to buy more and more often.

Simplify the design to the detriment of the resource.

I took ten small rings, and Mandowski such was not-no underwire, no floating silentblock((.

Great choice, take what people praise.

I put on the Audi 80, but it did not really have time :)

Never had to deal with them.

And Crafts standards, who knows?

Yes, it is. Living in the era of disposable tableware.

It's a well known fact. Almost all corporations stopped making products with a huge stock of wear resistance. So disappeared one million engines, etc. is not Profitable to do thing that after decades of not break! Nothing personal, just business!

I agree, the reduction in resource is a result of the price reduction. but not the goal

I'm not disputing that. Of course, everything is dictated by the market. It's not about collusion. Wins the one with the lowest production costs, and this is achieved by saving materials (e.g. lubricant) and simplifying product design and reducing the number of technological operations (clean rings, ribs, etc.). The reduced yield is a consequence, which is also beneficial to the manufacturer.

if there was no such thing as competition, it is possible byloby to think about the fact that the producers as a result of collusion may specifically pursue a policy of undervaluation of the resource.but in this case, who in this conspiracy is not involved automatically is a delicious niche in the high price segment. the rest are just patreaus this market. so stories about control of the resource is think fiction. everything is dictated by the market

Yes, these "small dirty tricks" reduce the cost of production and also to sell more parts.

These are "tricks", and we Robson supposedly "was a success, and now just to sell"!

Don't know the bike or not, but they say that in Chinese language there is no word "conscience." Maybe Korean too. So we will vote ruble, it is more effective measures.)

A letter to the Korean open through the newspaper "Pravda", saying that so and so you chink at all ...hinely.

Good result. Here are my reviews of the 555:
www.drive2.ru/b/467856492343591051/
www.drive2.ru/b/479771624975892859/

555 sb6642 out in 2014 have put. Already 85000 on them game. The car of no regrets. All summer fishing.

PUFF88

In our time, specifically and universally used "planned obsolescence". And it's not just that the producer wants to sell a lot.
There is another important point, probably the most important!
Let each reader remember who he works, and I will give an example on the stabilizer, which quickly breaks down.
Let's imagine how many people are involved in the process of its creation and delivery to the vehicle: 1) Employees; 2) logistics and transport of the Russian Federation; 3) Different customs; 4) the parts Stores in the Russian Federation; 5) the Technical center, where it was installed, and there are many related industries that also take in this process is indirectly involved.
Now imagine that it is ETERNAL! Think how many people will be without work. Then follows a chain reaction that affects the entire population of the planet.
And this applies to all!
You cannot stop the process of consumption! I was very disgusted, but it is.
One way out - consume that may contain that will not devour you. This system can not win, you are in it!

This system can be defeated. Vote for me!

It is.) I was immediately reminded of a scene from the movie "the Fifth element":

In our time, specifically and universally used "planned obsolescence". And it's not just that the producer wants to sell a lot.
There is another important point, probably the most important!
Let each reader remember who he works, and I will give an example on the stabilizer, which quickly breaks down.
Let's imagine how many people are involved in the process of its creation and delivery to the vehicle: 1) Employees; 2) logistics and transport of the Russian Federation; 3) Different customs; 4) the parts Stores in the Russian Federation; 5) the Technical center, where it was installed, and there are many related industries that also take in this process is indirectly involved.
Now imagine that it is ETERNAL! Think how many people will be without work. Then follows a chain reaction that affects the entire population of the planet.
And this applies to all!
You cannot stop the process of consumption! I was very disgusted, but it is.
One way out - consume that may contain that will not devour you. This system can not win, you are in it!

Do not pretend not to understand. You asked "what are you doing?". I answered.

who can argue. for God's sake. each has its own quirks

I got it right.

a man is what?

It's called greed and meanness.
Vote for me in the name of honest politics!
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Today anthers were changed in all the racks of stabilizers, and then stand the whole, and the anthers Khan.And water sand and dirt-not
Gud)) if you need someone, anthers perfect.
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Here is a larger photo of this sticker. Honestly stated that the item is made in Korea:

Petrovich35

Hence, the company ZF products is your partner CTR sells fakes. Item was purchased as Lemforder (ZF), the brand officially shipped, and production CTR.

I wonder what part number was from Lemforder for Toyota RAV4? Not visible in the photo.

About disulphate we do not know and do not know, we give what you need, , information: in the economy and politics are dirty tricks , blackmail, fraud, the bases , that's earned a lot of money , the Americans ate it,

Hard to argue, but personally I have the impression that many firms are now hold by past accomplishments/reputation, otherwise there would be scandals of the type of disilicate with VW ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0...B5%D0%BB%D0%BE_Volkswagen

I agree it is a puzzle, but we argue based on my experience of life, but we even can't imagine how they are different and not thinking like we , the client is won by quality and nothing else, if I have a candy washing machine for 15 years I next time buy candy, , , for parts I think that instead of the CTR wants to get a new player with , speaker, in the name and for a long time, and about the bases of it really, the whole world is doing , fighting for our purse

Your reasoning is quite logical. On the other hand, is presented in this post observations confirm the General trend that started somewhere in the early 2010s (and maybe earlier) — disposable equipment, which shall serve its desirable small strings, then the consumer goes to the store for a new product. This is evident throughout, and household appliances, and electronics, in the automobile industry. The smartphone begins to fail after 2-3 years, the car starts to roll in 5-7 years, etc. are made. to the consumer it was uneconomical to repair, it is easier to buy a new one. So I do not see the bases. When everything is programmable using the aging of its products, and thereby limit the service life, reputation goes by the wayside, more important than turnover. Therefore, under the famous brand Lemforder we see repacked the items cheaper CTR, see for example www.drive2.ru/b/2890221/

Not so simple, there must be something else, , , I will try to explain :another 2-3years and CTR would be a monopolist in our market ie buyer coming into the store would ask the ball and the seller would not ask which firms would give a CTR, and reducing resources, it loses the Russian market, and the only way out is bankruptcy! We have 50 million cars, it's a huge loss, even if the parts would go the years, it's still billions in sales to other markets, few will be allowed(everything is protected except us and Africa) all know that the credibility earned over the years and crap one's pants enough times, everyone is talking about their greed, but they're not fools, selling shit lot of money but not for long, I think it was a setup(the Chinese?) the struggle for our market

There are technologies of production of whole parts ball pin (turning, landing), there is a connection by welding. Here is an example from the manufacturer's website, quote: "...welded the ball to the finger on the contact-butt machines. But the contact-butt welding method is very difficult in terms of technology... Our company has developed a plasma-arc method of welding of these elements." Source: links-master.ru/technology/, refer to "Ball".

The ball kind of like to be single
No welding

There the condensation is unlikely to occur with too small a volume of air for this.

If tightening the clamps is likely to be sealed. Another question would it not be in the middle of the condensate...

My opinion is that any additional sealing of the hinge will do him good, if this protection is not letting water and dirt and does not interfere with the suspension. As for Bicycle tires, I'm not sure what happens tightly crimp the edges so formed as folds.

But tell that to this idea. Take, for example, a piece of a Bicycle tire and wear it as a collar for this knot, both ends of the tightening wire, thereby securely protecting all swivel optional against dust and dirt for many years!

Reviews on their products 50:50 because such a construction of hinge, not all suspensions will work fine. For reviews, if anti-roll bar fastened at one end to a swivel shock-absorbing front, it will pull the hinge pin (bolt) of polyurethane fills. So myself, I do not buy them, too expensive experiment.

What do you think about the company no depreciation, they stand staba do without lubrication in General, there is a stupid bolt filled with polyurethane.