KZR. Session 2!
To begin with, that the only real clubmaker from rucogoza set myself and recommend to others great cuff ends of the crankshaft of the brand MS fufelnye "made in Germany". I am an active opponent of the counterfeit, but will strengthen the thesis evidence:
Full sizeOnly a day in petrol!
As we see, the working edge of the burst of the swelling in gasoline, and there is a violation of basic geometrical parameters. On the front side was written: "Silicone"... something I haven't heard that it refers to the oil content! In General — do not place in the Assembly of motors of this shit.
More — more...
Full sizeTwo worlds, two systems...
Here are two caps, right — native of this motor 74, the year. Left store-bought from Ivan on the street hydraulic engineers, it — 91-th year. Perfectly clear that where the home drain for oil from the edge of the cuff, the new — cast recess, there is a reduction in the cost of production. It is also noticeable and the difference in the diameters of the holes lower pins holding the cap on the block: the new 6mm and native — 12! In this catalogue the part number is the same! If I carry in ADS native the lid, pre-cut mine, which stump from fixture and nasverliv mine, which is just a stripped M6 thread, the cap will already be of nonferrous metal more expensive. So — will severly that new!
Full sizeChinese Unbolted all the bolts the two caps back to back, combined hole and started... Only chips of nonferrous metal on the sides!
Drill more than 11 mm was not. Took the so-called "carrots"(well — not meat!), and cutting area: 12 mm expanded holes. He rolled the lid to the unit, arranged not all:
A full sizeeyes — a noticeable step at the left edge.
I'll try the depth gauge to determine the height difference:
Full sizegraduation — 0.02 mm on the black arrow total — a difference of about 0.08 mm. is a bit Much!
Conclusion — slightly raised edge, which formed a step, take a nano-grinder Дремель200 and sandpaper ring rubber spacer for the clutch lightly expand the inner diameter of the hole, rolled to the plane — the difference is 0.01, good, trimmed the strip edge-to-edge and mounted all on the block, tighten. Coming up next — laying and installation of pallet:
Full sizeLow — single bolt will not reach to the thread...
Do not worry: locksmith tool chisel always at hand:
Full sizeCarved the space for possibility to put on a head bolt Allen key and tighten.
What success made, the pallet is put on, tightened all and have the time to give to settle down the strip:
Full sizeBut there has not been without honors Club Famous Ryazapov: the photo shows that not all bolts are the same, the third in the upper right corner of the image is different!
And all of that motor superscalar, "master which know everything" and one of the most prominent members of KZR tore the M6 thread in the block, but the bottom of the motor Assembly I'm already in ADS in the hands did not suffer. Took a longer bolt and put a pan to Flanco block, pulled as far as possible to the protruding section of the thread, put the washer and nut welled... how long?
Once the question to ask could not: put the clutch housing to toranut studs and lightly grinded the starter stud to facilitate installation of the crankcase on the car, if necessary, replace the clutch of my forces:
Full sizeclutch too spoiled!
Then ripped to a depth of 10mm ALL 4 thread M12x1.5 in which uvorachivatsya bolts! Why did this happen? From what honored pictures took too thick a gasket, sealant poschedree, and began to pull, not getting in the entries thread no one bolt... Well that bolt is quite long and thread — pretty deep!
All day swearing...
T-Auto
coupling, see for yourself... (but bearing left) and at the expense of seal... in XS... no there is explosive mixture... it does not corrode the seals... the problem is not that... they have erased the inner edge, and they come out (leak) from the system...so your test about anything... as someone here wrote — about the Soviet seal — Yaroslavl buy conventional (don't remember where fakes have less... or YARTI ANRTI) — generally take the most smelly (if you smell)...
YARTI is a construction company, and ANRTI so times in production of rubber technical products
judge for yourself... rubber 81-year pressing...(double = double-breasted ) (2.2))
well ... since MBS MBS... so... (in principle, there is a place you can... Chinese)
I put the Soviet nawanuke 81st year. Soft twin-edge. Tests no I didn't, but once in the description of the motor design written MBS-rubber, that means she and she alone, and not silicates.
coupling, see for yourself... (but bearing left) and at the expense of seal... in XS... no there is explosive mixture... it does not corrode the seals... the problem is not that... they have erased the inner edge, and they come out (leak) from the system...so your test about anything... as someone here wrote — about the Soviet seal — Yaroslavl buy conventional (don't remember where fakes have less... or YARTI ANRTI) — generally take the most smelly (if you smell)...
T-Auto
the one I'm talking about the cuff reinforced (Nar."the seal")... and the bearing will die first (more goes) — he is a fake...
Everything in the text. In short: I decided to check how much oil and petrol resistant material cuff. It turned out to be shit. Now with the bearing? To remove the clutch?
intezet
and Soviet seals ever served in 100ткм?
Easily. I have three Muscovite was. 2140,412,2141. And all was absolutely clean engines.
Parts received personally on auto and rubber factories. Such work was for the supply of collective automotive CC. Left from those times are still some in the garage in storage.
Expert opinion such a deep level of knowledge I am very pleased, authoritative and important. Write more!
seems it was about the quality of the Soviet rubber products "type oil seal".
at the Moskvich their low quality was compounded by the low quality of processing of working surfaces. however the valve seals, because of the lack of trouble does not deliver.
but the rest of the gaskets, when replacing, scattered like ebony.
now Muscovites do not come across, but on vases seals are at least 150ткм. and constructive solutions, like two seals on one shaft, is not found.
but the valve seals in the engines of VAZ, had to change 70-80 tcm. seals crankshaft up to 100ткм-working conditions easier.
In farming Yes, but in the great human minds of the engineering activities was only progress
Moskvichmoy
That's why I did not buy. Definitely — Soviet works better.
and Soviet seals ever served in 100ткм?
Moskvichmoy
Petrol — where? The bearing rotates nice and soft, put it not me, another currently there.
PY.Sy. don't take it seriously... I sell this stuff... (with 2001.g.) all in our time, the lottery...
JT88
"Then ripped to a depth of 10mm ALL 4 thread M12x1.5 in which uvorachivatsya bolts! Why did this happen? From what honored pictures took too thick a gasket, sealant poschedree, and began to pull, not getting in the entries thread no one bolt..."
Just doesn't like people to use a torque wrench unfortunately (
sir... you are right... but have you considered this option ... if seat took... (all the same years... the hardships... hardships... etc.)
MaxKremenchug
no matter from where hands grow if they are gold...
The main thing that the gold hands do not grow from the Golden ass)))))
It is not clear who does what you describe. So do you, so does the factory or anyone else? The message "going", "extends" and "milled" — as if everything is well done.
everything is going to seal, in a relaxed state, tighten the bolts, and then milled plane, with a stretch cover.
I do not understand the NAC to change the cover in a second?
Do you mean that the plant is going to host? And if the bottom plane of the stuffing-box cover is flush with the plane of the block, and the oil seal is normally centered?
Somehow, inexperience washed original seals Reiki in kerosene, happened similar, edges are similar to vermicelli.
For Chevrolet Lacetti such trouble with salinism was flowed through a month, removed the nozzle, too, though he took the original Korea. But the second time the box was quickly removed
TOPOTUN777
Pfft. Critic x...V. you haven't even smelled the aroma of new Vesta and climb to the same criticism.About Vesta too early to judge, but the space was as g...and it still is.
if I cut the motor abruptly on the West, the box zaborowska say Hello
I have 10 years был2106 and all I was doing with his hands. The machine worked for wear. And taxi and goods for market were taken. Lam km was Varied, it was all more than once and with his own hands. Then 2 Lanos 1 295 thousand was 2. 56. The repair was current straps locomotive rollers Amity and fines. Hundred afford he could not do himself. From Vesta factory defect of the motor was change the motor under warranty. And that's what the fuck you have to be to climb to warranty the motor? I have all the. Do not write me anymore you fucking moron.you fucked her stupid.
TOPOTUN777
Pfft. Critic x...V. you haven't even smelled the aroma of new Vesta and climb to the same criticism.About Vesta too early to judge, but the space was as g...and it still is.
th tazoodle always in trouble...they do not ask, and they love to open the fuck up...everyone knows that tazovogo hands of assholes grow...all the travel services
Pfft. Critic x...V. you haven't even smelled the aroma of new Vesta and climb to the same criticism.About Vesta too early to judge, but the space was as g...and it still is.
jealous at Kalita West...sorry.sorry for the people that they believe in that crap they impose on
TOPOTUN777
Well you started shit with this seal disgusting to read .
much nastier to ride West...why does all Chasovoy forgotten.
41 in General was another pan and never had flap.
We are talking about one and the same.
The hatch was made to clean maslozavodska from shmurdyak.
And in the 80s with the advent of engine oils with the index "G" he ceased to crawl and the need for it anymore.
I'm talking about the flap that is on the bottom of the pallet as it were removable bottom. Such pallets with the hatch began to set on the M-2141 in the late 80s. And what are You talking about the flap say?
now was the oil in the engine to fill
exactly as written in the instructions
otherwise oak Soviet seals in accordance with GOST
can not move fresh additives
the oils of the latest developments
PS: I last a Muscovite engine
went through 35 years ago
but if memory serves
one or more of the bolts of the pan was precisely through
under bolt with nut
in the area of the brackets pads engine
Yes, and the pallet is why the non-native
1974, they were even with the hatches bolted
it probably has changed over the 50,000 mileage
Moskvichmoy
Well — there is a spring and shit...
speak in front where there is thin and torn! I bought in Existe for 150r ! Shit of course the real thing is 1000 ! You need to put the original guts
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The impression that the commentator divan motorist and kicker.
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To list ALL or will it just be withdrawal? To couch the criticism personally: this is the motor I did, and redid, and, unlike all other ryazapov and craftsmen threads in nonferrous metal, I'm not ripping. And wrong, usually, those who are sitting and waiting until then to get in enough hard work to correct mistakes.
alexcei2007
And what brand gaskets do not fufel? Changed the oil seal on the camshaft, put Raines — two days started aplevich, and now a trickle...
And the camshaft no scuffing or cutting from the edge of the seal?
the price of Sennheiser is not so high to call it "the overpayment for the brand." and in the line of the same size almost always have several varieties, differing according to the type of seals, extra seals, materials, etc. From disabledskin to the "brand."
YahrKelt
Corteco. I have never been let down.
Why on brand attention not perestal to pay? I buy gaskets, for example, in a specialty store RTI, the quality is significantly better than any car. The main thing is the size know. And much cheaper than the "brand." And bearings also in the room watch and take in a shop that sells just bearings and all the bushings. Too much cheaper, but the quality is lost. And then for the brand overpayment, but it was no use.
UrbanVibes
Plus.
Batey shop, the domestic auto seals: Mintex and Ruben, the rest is in fact a hat (((
The Yaroslavl plant has more or less goes on the axle shafts, shanks, but the engine is better to buy a better though more expensive at $ 100.
I went to the store "Muscovite" to buy oil seals on the half-line odes. The quality of the seals is disgusting. There is no other. Ng with the tenacity of their purchase. Idiots? Why buy shit when you can buy industrial seals, they are of all sizes, the quality is amazing.
like what?
Yaroslavl plant of Rezinotehnicheskie — Yaroslavl, street Soviet, 81 and.
On the Volga, for example: 13-2402080 SEAL SHESTERNI ASS. BRIDGE 42Х75Х9.
A lot of things he releases, but not all products are so good compared to other analogues.
Plus.
Batey shop, the domestic auto seals: Mintex and Ruben, the rest is in fact a hat (((
The Yaroslavl plant has more or less goes on the axle shafts, shanks, but the engine is better to buy a better though more expensive at $ 100.
And what brand gaskets do not fufel? Changed the oil seal on the camshaft, put Raines — two days started aplevich, and now a trickle...
fully support... I bought this cuffs for ZMZ-402... to install couldn't... he size had more seats. In the end, it completely pakaraima while trying to score it. Went bought new, the cheap, suitable for ZIL and lawns. There is still GOST specified... and stood up all right.
Moskvichmoy
Head I did. I hope it all normal. But the bottom of the engine just surprised: 12 derailed thread!
duck can you him for the work he stingy? here is the thread... to .pits rolling.
fanjapan
Their good seals in my experience.Corteco, Masuma, part of Hundai. Nok time to time, although in the original, the MMS usually...Maybe Nok is not the same.From the original Mitsu offer almost all seals I've received fake(they are in simple bags with no numbers, no nothing), tech immediately. Recently put Musashi to the touch inside is good but Obama not rubberized on the outside. That is, if there is any damage on the response of the current to the sealant to set.
Very good seals "Elring" like other products of this office.
Fortunately, in relation to classic Muscovites models 408 and 412 are only two options — the USSR and then Germany. But this word "sealant" in the days of the Muscovites was not simple.
Their good seals in my experience.Corteco, Masuma, part of Hundai. Nok time to time, although in the original, the MMS usually...Maybe Nok is not the same.From the original Mitsu offer almost all seals I've received fake(they are in simple bags with no numbers, no nothing), tech immediately. Recently put Musashi to the touch inside is good but Obama not rubberized on the outside. That is, if there is any damage on the response of the current to the sealant to set.
Not offended, do not read — do not fear the opinion of experts is very important to me and want to email us more...
Dear friend!
Sorry, I have not read all the comments,
but I realized that you kind of like doing a repair client of motors.
Dare to disappoint: you're not very familiar with the design features of Usama...
Then why climb?
Well, does the reading or literature...
Early units had four holes M6
and the two stud M8x1.
Where the "8" there were two guides dia. 12mm.
And cap sat on these napravleni and just physically could not speak/sink relative to the plane of the pallet.
You're the holes drilled himself, "on the knee", and therefore missed.
By the way, miss 0.5 mm there is a special role does not play, pan gasket rubber.
After the blocks were built with all six holes M6 and without any guides.
Centering of the cover on HF and the plane of the pallet has moved the conscience minder.
That's all!
Good luck!
Sorry if offended...
Forrest
Silicone bezopasnosti, if that.
Why, then, even one of the most persistent and strong sealants "Victor REINZ" when cleaning engine parts with gasoline, very soon (10 — 15 min.) repeats all the symptoms of "supersaline "Master" made from the same specified silicone?..
The photo does not show the results of spectral analysis of the shit made of the shit, which is clearly visible in the photo, if that.
nasset silicone — it was necessary somehow to make removable plugs in the channels of the lubrication system, I decided to do both in hydraulics, rubber o-rings. Appropriate-sized silicone rings picked up, and before to put them decided to protest — for some days put synthetics in the engine (shell ultra, although this is not essential). So for these few days rings swelled! Increased diameter and the material itself was full of loose. If this oil is about gasoline and say no.
Silicone as a material for seals is good only in some specific cases, for the internal combustion engine it is not very mildly. With a good material for motor-boxed seals is FPM.
And almost no matter who made the oil seal main material.
Might be interested www.drive2.ru/b/456185451292655913/
Mastersport it's China Chinese, good seals of Elring / Victor REINZ. (in the analogy, no, but in the parameters you can choose)
Moskvichmoy
Good specialist, a chemist from God.
well, at least not a jerk. and that is good.
I wonder how you checked the resistance of a motorcycle helmet or seat belts? Speeding up to 200 km/h and velevshie concrete wall?
oil seal runs in oil bath.
and you have led the argument concrete — no need to sit and impish face to tell me what I did on horseback and in white, and you're all nobody.
If someone once made the gland which has spread not from gasoline, it does not mean that he was good.
And you can show the photo quality of seals emerging from the impact of gasoline?
I recently decided to test this method seals. Took b/u Soviet and not Soviet. And both spread a completely similar way. So it does not roll this method for determining the quality of seals.
Moskvichmoy
Sucks trying to be smart there is only one "nerd" who is not versed in cars, but willingly climbing to discuss the Standards. If any standard was not varied during the release of the product(automotive engine Москвич412), then no other acts not reglamentary the use of surrogates. Everything You were told before that stupid verbiage. The next remark will be the last.
Dear, You are right!
Two...
I also don't know anything about Moscow.
the same operation with silnika the same company conducted 5 years ago — everything was OK
the truth of the inscription silicone I don't remember
WinnerOfThursday
do not try to frighten me with your naked buttocks)))) I don't need your standards, I draw your attention to the fact that the method that you want to prove coachnet seal have nothing to do with common sense, change a post, give an excerpt from these standards that the material of the seal is not valid. but drench it in gasoline and then to say that the seal jamb nonsense
The default all rights ltno writes. The oil will always be some portion of unburned fuel, hence the gasoline.
blackf0xy
Seals, usually made from oil-resistant rubber. She's just in gasoline swells and bursts, so soak the seal in gasoline — not good test material.
But oil-resistant rubber (aka MBS) glands do not make for the reason that it is not designed to seal moving parts.
nonsense.
blackf0xy
Open the GOST 8752-79, it was done glands in the USSR. We find out that the gaskets 1-3 groups (this includes our product) is made from the nitrile-butadiene rubber. Google Wikipedia, find out what it is !all of a sudden! not resistant to aromatic hydrocarbons, which are part of gas...
PS For all the validation methods RTI checked they are in contact with the environment in which they will work. Next time soak of brake cuffs of the solvent, that is...
And in this the guests have a 4,5 and 6 groups of rubbers on the basis of fluorinated and siloxane rubbers)
it was an example of a normal industry, which could make many types of RTI. And as proof, to put it mildly, stupidity soaking Salnikov in Bense.
As we wanted to prove: almost linear. Material about? About motor Muscovite. What matters here fucking Camry? do not under any, but I want to get smart. You See... There!
they wrote based on something that could provide a miserable Soviet industry. And it could provide oil-resistant or normal. The other was not
on 123й mers is oil resistant
the Sierra is oil resistant
on E21 is oil resistant
in the Camry 17 goes (surpriiiiise!) oil resistant
and only in the USSR all was so smart, sho immediately put to oil, yeah.
in the USSR there was only benamaldena and ordinary rubber. And that's all. In fact silniki knee need is oil resistant. Gasoline should not be there
It is understood as: "Shkolota, go to hell. Said — shit, there should not be any "silicone" and all. Even be stupid questions?" In the best tradition yet and complain.
this should be understood as "I know sho have merged but it's still going to do blatant game of pusho can"?
Open the GOST 8752-79, it was done glands in the USSR. We find out that the gaskets 1-3 groups (this includes our product) is made from the nitrile-butadiene rubber. Google Wikipedia, find out what it is !all of a sudden! not resistant to aromatic hydrocarbons, which are part of gas...
PS For all the validation methods RTI checked they are in contact with the environment in which they will work. Next time soak of brake cuffs of the solvent, that is...
Seals, usually made from oil-resistant rubber. She's just in gasoline swells and bursts, so soak the seal in gasoline — not good test material.
But oil-resistant rubber (aka MBS) glands do not make for the reason that it is not designed to seal moving parts.
I had a rear oil seal knee Espra EO-3111(motor 1.7) no problems at all, all sealed.
Yes! Unfortunately, often densely such under/experts! Very often come after such things with similar or even worse artifacts!
I have these on the axle shafts(2141) two on each side. so there's directions there, and with one hand still flowing... but I don't remember what coincided rotation or not
In most anti-freeze is chemically active alcohol. Which the oil will evaporate (do not forget about the tightness)
Shumsky90
it is... And how often salnik knee in contact with gasoline? You used it in 648й stuck
And oil is not better and if the antifreeze in the oil will fall?
it is... And how often salnik knee in contact with gasoline? You used it in 648й stuck
Mers... Camry... Oil resistant rubber...
I'm not an expert in the rubber composition,
but somehow, I think that the packers actually haven't rubber do.
Sample burn rubber and set fire to the oil seal (not the one from Muscovite and modern, at least to 2010).
Compare the smell, the nature of combustion, etc.