How do radiators
The Netherlands is not the country which are associated with the production of automotive components. However, it is here, in the town mill, one of the eight factories of the company headquarters and engineering Department NRF — one of the world leaders in the production of various heat exchangers for vehicles, special vehicles, railway locomotives, ships and industrial sector. The rest of the plants in Spain, France and India. All work by the same standard of quality and combine to produce over two million radiators a year.
For those too lazy to read and who want to see more details, I have prepared an 11-minute video about how do radiators:
Full sizeview of the factory NRF from the height of bird flight
The company was founded in 1927 in Amsterdam as repair of radiators, a few years later began its own production. In 1954 the factory was opened in the mill.
Full sizeHere this windmill is just a few minutes drive from the factory
To find it for the thickets of flowering shrubs somewhere in the middle dotted with windmills prosperous rural hinterland was difficult, but eventually I managed it.
Full sizeview of the factory NRF on the other hand. Old copper shop — with a triangular glass roof, the rest of the shop built later
Visitors are greeted by a beautiful metal bas-relief on a brick wall — and various samples of products.
Full sizeHeight of the plant — only two floors, why the big building is not visible behind the trees
At the enterprise two large shop. In one to produce aluminum radiators in the other — of copper-brass.
Full sizealuminum In the shop
Yes, the classic technology of brazing of radiators made of copper and brass is still in demand in the special engineering and agriculture. In addition, there have radiators for the discontinued European tractors. Shop copper-brass radiators — very warm and tube-like, but not only because here and there a lit acetylene torch.
Full sizeCopper shop. Then apply all the same technology and raw materials as ten years ago
On the walls are old tools, photographs from the family archive, the workers are mostly middle-aged. In the shop atmosphere. It generally is throughout the factory, but here especially.
In another shop produce so-called box coolers radiators cooling for marine engines. They were invented by the engineers of the NRF at the end of the fifties of the last century. They quickly became the standard for the industry and since then production technology has changed little. The Dutch company is still the world leader in the manufacture of box coolers — they even equip future unmanned container ships and tankers.
Full sizeBox coolers look impressive and structurally almost unchanged for the last 60 years
But let's get back to the topic of post — manufacturing automotive aluminum radiators.
Full sizeTransport operations are performed manually. Thus in aluminum the shop all the equipment is running computers. Also adopted the technique of Kaizen, which mean continuous improvement process based on the suggestions of the staff
There are two fundamentally different technologies of production of radiator This mechanical Assembly and soldering. Trade radiators often only available on the secondary market, while from the factory, most cars are equipped with brazed radiators.
Full sizeon the Left in each picture — brazed radiator, on the right —mechanically harvested
In the first case, the radiator is made entirely by mechanical means. Through openings in the package of ribbon of corrugated aluminium foil is manually inserted into the tube. The pack is pressed slightly on the tube side plate set-collectors, which then then Darnytsa for better fixation. The collectors are installed polypropylene or polyamide plastic tanks, antennae plates are clamped on the plastic. That's all, the radiator is ready. Quick, easy, cheap.
Low cost is the main advantage of mechanical radiators. They can be several times cheaper solder. While they have a number of serious drawbacks:
— Round shape of the tubes does not provide the desired turbulence of the flow of the coolant.
— The efficiency of heat transfer is lame. Tubes emit much more heat than the edges due to the lack rigid connection between the tubes and fins. According to the specific capacity of these radiators soldered twice as worse.
— Rib away easily.
— Radiator is able to withstand less pressure.
— Operating temperature of the engine, which is cooled mechanically assembled heat sink inevitably increases. Right there with her fans, the big question. There is a risk of detonation, overheating and so on until engine damage — especially in the heat and under high load.
The factory NRF in mill do only brazed radiators. They are delivered to the Assembly lines of BMW, Porsche, DAF, Iveco, GINAF, Liebherr, Claas, Fendt, Damen, VDL and other automakers.
Tubular-band brazed radiator consists of four components: oval tube, cooling fins, side sewers (Donji) and tanks.
Full sizeOval tube, aluminum sheet in coils or plates — everything you need for the manufacture of the radiator core.
All of these parts are made from aluminum, but in the case of whiskers possible "plastic" option. Instead of the simple flat-sided oval tubes in industrial heat exchangers can be used tubes with turbulators — the swirlers of the coolant flow, or plate placed between the turbulators (here corrugated aluminum tape).
Flat-sided oval tube and plate comes factory ready in six boxes. Their surface is pre-coated with solder required for soldering. They are cut to the desired length to fit the specification of a particular model of the heat exchanger. Then, in the case of the plates they are covered with flux on a special machine — first with one and then with the other hand. Flux is necessary for uniform distribution of the previously applied solder at the time of soldering.
Full sizeMachine for applying flux to the plates
Manufacturer of corrugated strip fins the cooling on molding machines, which are fed from a roll of aluminum sheet of the desired width with a thickness of 0.2 mm.
Full sizeJob moulding machine
The result obtained forming a sturdy structure which has high rigidity in the longitudinal and in the transverse direction. Corrugated ribbon also is cut to the desired length.
Full sizemolding machines are manufactured as cooling fins for tubular radiators and similar vortex generators for plate radiators
The lateral collectors are made of aluminum plates in two main ways, depending on the specs of the products — laser cutting and pressing, or a combination of these processes.
Full sizeLaser cutting is performed on CNC in the relevant product program. Compaction occurs when part of the operator who places the workpiece on the press
Next, on a special stand on which the operator stands on a lifting platform, the build of the radiator package.
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Full sizeradiator Assembly package
Layer cake — corrugated strip, tube, again tape back up... the Stand is necessary for accurate Assembly, he performs the role of the press to preload the package.
Full sizeAssembly radiator package
Hydraulic component necessary for Assembly of large industrial radiators, but little is collected immediately. On this line, by the way, most women. Hearing Russian language, one of them smiled — a girl with a scythe came to the Dutch factory from Lithuania.
Full sizeAssembly radiator package
After Assembly of the package of the radiator, it is transferred from the stand and install the side collectors. This is a manual process, with the help of crimping pliers and a heavy rubber mallet, so call a specialist operator here does not work: in this seemingly simple operation is easy to be mistaken and hush tube, and the radiator will be spoiled.
Full sizeInstallation side of the reservoir is done manually
After installing the manifolds, the radiator is almost ready to solder.
Full sizeTop — podobrannye oil coolers for the BMW S65 motor. At the bottom left of the same radiator with the already welded to the tank. Right — ready radiator for Porsche
Almost — because if the design includes metallic tanks, they are placed prior to soldering by welding.
A full sizeInstallation of tanks on the radiator of the BMW S65 by welding
We were lucky, and we watched the process of welding on tanks on the original oil coolers for the engine BMW S65B44 — 444-horsepower naturally-aspirated V8 model M3 body type E90/E92/E93. BMW places an order for their production once a year, and in recent years it is not more than 200 copies. Near are like radiators for the Porsche. On tanks — the mark of the legendary German brand radiator Längerer & Reich. Subcontract! TIG-welding is carried out in an inert gas environment.
Full sizeComplex of furnaces for brazing most overall radiators, e.g. for locomotives or industrial machinery
Brazing of radiators is in the oven. Depending on the type of heat exchanger used in furnaces of various types. Large heat sinks along the conveyor sent into a huge oven where they are baked vertically for 2-3 hours at a temperature of from 600 to 700 degrees Celsius.
Full sizedownload of the radiators in the oven
Those that are smaller, going on runs along almost the entire workshop line, by which the radiator moves like a pizza on roller guides.
Full sizeIn the first picture podobrany radiator packet is sent to the furnace. The second picture is an intermediate fluxing. The lower pictures show the radiator after soldering
On first install of the conveyor furnace is cleaned the radiator, then it falls into a special chamber, where the surface flux is applied evenly by spraying. After that, the radiator is dried and crawls to the control site, where if necessary, the operator increases the number of flux During the next couple of hours the radiator is moving along the furnace. Happens thermochemical reaction, flux and solder melted, and we have almost finished the radiator, in which all its components constitute a unified whole.
Full sizeRadiators after soldering. It is clearly seen that all the components are soldered together
You can now install plastic tanks, if applicable. Unfortunately, in the day of my visit to the factory, nobody has performed such an operation. I can only say that on NRF for the production of cisterns use only primary raw material is recycled plastic not used.
Then the radiator should be checked for tightness. This checks all products without exception. The radiator is placed back on the stand and lowered into the bath water. It is the air pressure of fifteen atmospheres, and the operator visually ensures that never flowed the air bubbles. The test takes a few minutes. If all is well, the master takes a metal stamp and emboss on the radiator of his brand.
Full sizeTop — to check the car radiator for leaks. At the bottom — check the oil cooler
Oil coolers is designed for higher pressure, so they are checked at the auto stand. Is supplied the fluid under pressure 16 atmospheres, and if everything is in order, the machine sets the corresponding brand.
When you talk about testing it is worth mentioning the factory laboratory, which is primarily used for testing prototypes of new products. Test them in different ways. For example, I showed test new models of radiator for locomotive, pressure in it every second was varied from 0 to 2.5 atmospheres. In the product specification says about 148 000 cycles, and the test report shows that the radiator has passed without the destruction of more than three million cycles.
Full sizerig for destructive testing pressure and the output at the bottom right
In the next room, mounted a kind of wind tunnel — test bench for evaluation of thermal parameters of heat sinks. Around him —the tangle of pipes and wires. The radiator is mounted on the pressure chamber, the tail setup is a powerful fan.
Full sizewind tunnel for the radiator
In front of the radiator are temperature sensors that allow you to track the change in air temperature. The test program is controlled by a computer that also allows to accurately evaluate the efficiency of the radiator under various conditions.
After checking for leaks, the radiator is dried and sent to the packing area.
The full size ofthe packing Area
Packing here is almost entirely by hand, without the hustle and bustle, with lots of cardboard. To radiators with logo EasyFit are making and a necessary set of fasteners and gaskets for easy installation.To date, the installation kits supplied with approximately 2000 items of products.
Full sizestorage complex in the Netherlands. The lower pictures show a radiator of the air conditioning system EasyFit with mounting hardware
Because the brand had 8 factories around the world, in 18 countries including the Netherlands have their own distribution centers. One of them is half an hour away from the plant. Here the area of nearly 9000 square meters equipped with more than 13 000 places for pallets. At a time in the warehouse is stored up to 400,000 boxes with the products. In this center processed orders for Western European countries. The products for Russia are shipped with a similar warehouse in Poland.
So do automotive radiators at the factory in Holland. I will be glad to your comments and additions!
Read also my other production reports:
— How do Mercedes E-class in Russia
— How do Lada Vesta
— How to make lubrication
— How do brake pads
— How do the Nokian
— How do Mitsubishi
— How do the Nissan cars
— How coal is mined
artemspec
I think it all depends on the car, for a BMW in Russia is sure to offer these radiators (because they are all original)
There are OEM supplies — best quality.
There are aftermarket for the North American market — best quality.
There are aftermarket for the EU market — great quality.
Is there an aftermarket on other markets — shitty quality.
The price the quality is not affected.
It's a shame not to know.
It is beyond doubt. But the General direction of the article is misleading when selecting a radiator, the buyer will remember the image of the plant in the Netherlands, although the actual products in Russia this plant has not, "in addition to powerful machines."
I think it's normal for powerful engines — cool radiators. on a simple with small resource — those that are easier.
Colored also sends to the Toyota radiator. Few, powerful cars, a fraction of a percent of issue.
It would be more honest to specify numbers, but sends from the total production of consumers.
In the post I'm writing right where the factory sends its products: BMW, Porsche, DAF, Iveco, GINAF, Liebherr, Claas, Fendt, Damen, VDL + locomotives, industrial machinery, etc.
In other plants the technology is fundamentally the same — soldering instead of messori.
And, this is a post about radiators for the V8 BMW? The inexperienced reader it may seem that buying a radiator NRF, he takes the product of the Dutch factory.
Medico
What you saw comes to the EU, in Russia there is another conveyor. The same kind of plant with hand-brazed radiators is, for example, in Japan, Koyorad, in the Russian Federation are under this brand the air conditioning condensers and radiators from Malaysia, enough for a couple of years, aluminium is thin, melted from cans of Cola, not the Assembly manual.
I think it all depends on the car, for a BMW in Russia is sure to offer these radiators (because they are all original)
Well, statistics on the taxi I took from there (in the sense of Wikipedia, the photo of the bus from the same place). That's why I say about relativity, and that ecology is an illusion). If to simplify to the example of the taxi that chadit stronger 4 PCs 24 Volga or 100 PCs Solaris?)) About the traffic in Moscow in the 90s can not say anything. I lived in ECX. And in the 90s to be honest tubes not seen those tubes I have. Machines 100 times smaller. My yard was no more than 10 pieces 6 entrances 9 floors. Today, to spit anywhere on the number of machines in the same yard where I no longer live, and next he stuck a lovely Park with an underground level and it was filled to capacity. But this is again a subjective vision.
Wikipedia open, there are statistics for the same Moscow. Regarding 90s and today. The owner doubled (so) while the quality of the engines grew to a head. Let's say this year at +30 I'm boiling machines and not remember. Smoking if caught, even a few times per month.
In the same nineties in traffic sick to stand it was sometimes smelly neighbors, as domestic production and written off over the hill foreign. If you don't remember, I remember it well.
About the automobile also the calculation is purely subjective. For example, how much earlier was taxis in Moscow? 3-4 thousand... It was a Volga. And now Solaris Yes Rio with catalysts etc, but they are more than 100 thousand, and it is only those who have permission. And runs they have to date in 2 or even 3 times more than at the end of the eighties)) And the great mass of motorists jamming Egry, emboss cut, stitch ECU to power, etc.
Ecology and transport is an illusion.
About Hyundai in my post, I'm not talking about diesel and other seeds, and about the buses of County or XS that. By the way Lyase to this day, like how to dissect in Moscow...So that the essence does not change.
Though sustainability 1 unit change in the direction of improvement, the quantity and the service life of the units makes the whole environment in there.
One stinking LiAZ route burned 120 gallons of leaded petrol. The oil burning differently, someone a week did not climb, someone every day for a pint refilled. 20 Hyundai route not dangle, and carry personal ass, the hours of work, hours on the job. Let's say I'm on a weekday drive about 40km a tank I have enough for 10 days. To zero not roll about 40 litres pour ie 4 liters a day. Multiplied by 20 Hyundai 80 litres 120 vs Diaz. Having neither the catalyst nor acceptable in today's understanding of the mixture formation
It's all relative. Cars on the road is still ten times more than 25-30 years ago, not to mention the trucks and machinery. With buses too. Used to go one stinking lyases, and now 20 Hyundai, which together smelly as 5 lyase. That is, fundamentally, nothing has changed. Only a semblance, an illusion. If earlier under the Windows stunk the carriage 1 but much now it smells like 15-20 each but much weaker and at different times. But the amount they stink like 5 carriage. It's just a subjective perception of the individual pixel in the picture in 4K. And the fact that people drive less... it is also a controversial issue.
Well, Yes, Lada. And the fact that rosavtobank consisted entirely of carbureted equipment, regular lyase, the ZIL with the same engine, about the oil puddles under the car was parked did not say, then for freight transport was almost the norm.
Don't know, maybe in the regions, little has changed, but in Moscow and St. Petersburg it is a question of great improved. By the way about 1/20 most of these cardboard trolleys, in any case, we now are under the Windows the livelong day. Sometimes even you wonder why people bought cars. Or do they go to work?
However, what I can tell, the screams from the occupants of the first floor "off the beaten path your carriage, breathe" I can't hear you.
zaluPOLOg
It only seems so. All so slowly changing, we just have to get used to. Who caught the nineties must remember the mass of the Smoking cars, in Europe the problem of smog earlier was quite relevant for big cities.
To some extent Yes, the theme Padalitsa under the dough blade. But where this subject came up (over the hill) I think at least 50% of the dough all the LCD before the topic reach. We have a situation in some places has improved only thanks to the closed factories. But again, remembering the "before" still claim, smoldering shit on the roads became less.
But enough of that. Some of the Smoking Lada then, now have a dozen cardboard trucks, production of which has nasadil as 100 cars for 20 years and to produce them must be 10 times bigger and 5 times more often. They also heavily smoke anyway, though less on the individual unit, but the mass still calls now and then. And the questions remain where disposed of all environmental consumables and how litter the environment and their conditional processing. Reducing in one place, always increase in the other. Even electropulse on batteries is not a panacea.
I don't life in one grupinski lived, there were several)
The first channel does not look like the rest of the public — everywhere cotton propaganda and patriotism. Hate this.
artemspec
drove all there rules
It's with us everywhere — "from the native grupinska nowhere, never left, but on the first channel said, so be there!" 😂🤦♂app
Well, not all "go to Amsterdam" — this is the store on the next street to drive)
Diman-Ageev
I was not there, these associations from the literature and TV)
drove all there rules
SPBThor
by the way the norms of the radiator — not much more expensive than SAT or termal, but the packing and quality of material used is much higher. was pleasantly surprised by the presence of fasteners and gaskets on the nozzles of the condo !
SAT, Nissens, Termal, NRF(?), and other products of cluster in Shenjen, China. As the author writes, a sub-brand, it turns out, subsubbranch.
Bodhi76
Thanks for the article. I'd love to read. Never knew how to do the radiators, now I know.
Thank you !
Thanks for the feedback)
But even if it is 10%, then the conditional cost 2P 1P Europe and China And sale price 3P we get the following picture
100 parts in Europe cost 200R one in marriage. Total
Europe 99х3=297р the cost of the realized goods. Minus the production costs 200 Profit 97р
100 parts in China cost $ 100 ten married. Total
China 90х3=270R the cost of the realized goods. Minus the cost of producing 100 Profit 170r
Exaggerated of course, but something like this
zaluPOLOg
And what's wrong with her, well, there is not 1% break and 10%. By reducing the cost of production, profit is still higher.
10% think too much...
ali-vlad
At that time electricity was worth a penny. Fact. Gasoline cost pennies. Fact. How much shit in the air produced? Yes, not environmentally friendly was the car, but how much shit we are selling under the guise of any product ranging from food, medicines, household items and indefinitely? Generally not comparable. Yes, comfort was much smaller, but the quality of any products was not commensurate with the current. But now what? Moreover, the products are very short term and they are almost not utilized. The more materials and goods not eco-friendly. It turns out even more shit. One-sided?
As for me, though comfort will be less, but all harmless, and repair durable suited. Tasty, useful and cheap than the maximum of comfort, but Bo's horse money, tasty, but the liver will fall off and die not from old age, and from the amount of shit that you ate, breathed in, absorbed through the skin.
You, as I understand it, prefer the latter. Well, that's your choice, so the DIALOGUE will NOT WORK. GOODBYE!
In 80-e years of a liter of 93-octane gasoline cost 40 cents, two loaves of bread. Not so cheap, in my opinion.
Thermoloft their manufacture was jammed out of the box. Riving by jamming failed. The seller has changed to a new one, it was the same :(
www.drive2.ru/l/472728153488359523/
Quality control, NDA
artemspec
What do you mean again? I have just posted. And in no advertise — just show how it works
just post. just lived and lived, and then decided it was about NRF to tell. no ads, no)
artemspec
What do you mean again? I have just posted. And in no advertise — just show how it works
Here on D2 already has a blog that the NRF, with similar material, here's what I mean...
artemspec
It is now a major trend in the global auto industry, whether we like it or not. generation Y and Z don't want these problems...
It is now a major trend in the global auto industry, whether we like it or not. generation Y and Z don't want these problems...
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How pathetic is marked banal greed. :)))
zaluPOLOg
While I was there, the weather is the same Peter, multiplied by two for the rate of change of rain sun. Until wasted, as even over the natives sad for myself. By the way the natives were surprised, especially the girls. The rain is cold haracic, and they are on their Lacepede with umbrellas on the edge of scratching. And no, by the way of sad faces about the rain.
Smoking in our reality is not worth it)
Yes, I have the Toyota native is already 35 years worth) even in the accident had been, the lower tank has bent the arc, I straightened it with a hammer via a piece of wood, thought flow, but no cost)
The Lancer in Russia, the radiators do not. But the eight I have, when I sold it, was still factory. And it was the car 16 years.
In India they also have plants there, but it's not bad) but you, as Russian production estimate?
Hnya it all. Bought it a month ago on the same tale about the Netherlands, European quality, etc., etc.
Well, what I sent the radiator for the manual transmission, it kaneshno hope the fault is entirely the vendor as I ordered the machine, I need article. Again, the garbage that I couldn't find a single review on installation of spare parts of the manufacturer on the Lancer (it's in the end a rare car on the territory of the Russian Federation).
No, it's the little things.
What impressed me most was that on the box that this pribludniy was written that made it not in INDIA, not in PAKISTAN! And looked by the way is not better than the product of any other nonam Chinese manufacturer.
I generally agree and iPhones in China are collected. And willing to admit that I slipped a Chinese product under the known BRAND. But does anyone burned like I want to take that chance again?
artemspec
Where in the end settled instead of the Radiator? it's UMMC?
Internet service provider and for the past 7 years
SPBThor
by the way the norms of the radiator — not much more expensive than SAT or termal, but the packing and quality of material used is much higher. was pleasantly surprised by the presence of fasteners and gaskets on the nozzles of the condo !
Not really, it's a half-two times
BritvaBoris
Here there are men on copper and aluminum mutada😁
Go to Cuba, where in Havana the pedestrian area across the road is fenced off dead upright bronze guns fucking size, taken from Spanish ships. Ala posts. The guys of socialism, about the nonferrous metal, only know by hearsay
Great report!
But I panou: I can't see anything on the combined pics. Very fine on the phone.
The flux is a composition for removing oxide films and prevent oxidation during the soldering process. Solder is a bonding alloy, with a melting point below the soldered parts. The solder can contain a flux. As for solder paste, for example. But still the aluminum melts at 660 degrees. It znait that the furnace temperature is above the melting point of aluminum.
There is no solder and special flux, and at a certain temperature in the furnace is the sintering of the radiator! Here's a process!
Wonder how brazed aluminum radiator in the furnace, if tempertura aluminum melting below 700 degrees. Any solder has a melting point lower than the solder material.
Thanks for the text, most modern "articles" consist of a video on YouTube with a guttural voice...
SMIT-SOL
Who gave you the title of the auto?
Zarubica constantly asking the same question, silent.
But who is the question-what was it? The author?
Getz76
Read the comments below and you'll understand why... If the brain is poor.
the Scarecrow was talking to you?no?then cover your mouth.the imbecile.
The Netherlands probably are on the order of the plant or production only, and for the consumer in Russia I think not higher than India, maybe China is not plant ))) nothing personal
artemspec
you yourself set? what kind of machine?
Renault fluence . Under decent pressure came — the shipping cap flew off during installation (:
migrant workers work. everywhere they are there. even on the street of red lanterns we Mat overlaid the girl in the glass doors when I saw a camera in my hands.
igor-vernuy
it is necessary to look. and then the "seasoned" say, "if it was copper it would be possible to solder". and I thought no on aluminum brazing for the home environment.
There is a special solder for aluminum. All perfectly soldered. But you need to choose quality and be sure to check. A bad solder will leave a soft and fragile layer. Good practicest not differ in strength. On yt there are tests of different solders.
Well copper, you cleaned, then treated with an acid, and then quietly ludyat tin. With aluminum it won't work, after mechanical Stripping of the aluminium immediately again covered with tape, and soldering rosin or acid is not take.
and copper from soldering impossible. initially treated with acid or rosin. and solder to copper does not stick.
Aluminium in the air instantly covered with an oxide film, so normal solder will not stick to it.
it is necessary to look. and then the "seasoned" say, "if it was copper it would be possible to solder". and I thought no on aluminum brazing for the home environment.
interesting article! and for me hot! last week, to the office Logan broke the radiator. he was soldering. and put team. I saw the difference of quality, so to say "touch"! plan to try to repair the home! how to solder aluminum tubing?
you take off the glasses already, and socialize with people normally and not hiding his face in communication is a lack of something
I realized, most importantly the welding of the radiator, you have to be bald.)))))
Left from a direct question, have latched on to the phrase, taken out of the text and based your opinion on that. Since you like useless dialogue. You don't answer inconvenient questions for you. You don't want to see. So you're not quite an honest person and speak with you more about.
ali-vlad
Began for health, finished for the repose. The whole dialogue started with the fact that we shit are you peddling. A hawala and admire. Positi my earlier comments or do not write anything in response.
Almost forgot. My first car was VAZ 2101, which is really survived their master, but in 30 plus years of ownership he's hitting as much as 90 thousand kilometers and at this point the body is pretty ate corrosion, the suspension had to shake up, and the engine required major repairs. Now my current car: 160 thousand mileage and the number of parts required to bring it in close to new condition requires ten times less)
Here is the "before the grass was green", and "now sell disposable shit"
The deficit and the lack of quality lubricants are of course also was the place to be, but few think about the fact that "from Altufevo to Butovo" 30-40 years ago and now for the car (and owner) is not the same, this applies not only to our country.
On the approach to judge cars solely by their surroundings.
red-dozen
Not lazy, read delusional comments. And now the questions:
1 why, if the products is shit from where the liver is bent, the life expectancy is constantly growing?
2 why a new car in hours is much more reliable and easy than absolutely low-tech shit that they did before?
3 processing of raw materials: start to read about the Audi A2 — then we will discuss who and what processes and how are new things, OK?
Again: "things have outlived their owners" — to remind you what were those things relevant? Specifically, to machines, for example, owners who incessantly ssbbw, oiled, stretched, was spricevalo, regulated? Most motorists Soviet machine took time and effort more often than other things. And those who ignored these actions — rot, junk, wouldn't start, not driving, not slow) Many know who their brand new Toyota after the purchase drives in the garage fluff pussala, to stretch and lubricate, and then repeats these steps with enviable regularity? That's right — this is not needed, what is shit?
Going back to your refrigerator: how much was it? I think now the equivalent of its cost easily bought Rosenlew, which is not something that you and your grandchildren will survive.
Finally understand: neither you nor I nor anyone else do not sell, and give to each according to his needs and possibilities. If you knowingly buy crap — well, it is your...
PS Among my friends there is no one who would have bought the car new and had with him some serious problems, and nose I have everything: Hyundai, VAG, Volvo, Mercedes, Nissan, Citroen, Lexus, Toyota, Subaru, Honda, BMW. Some for over 10 years — Yes, small things some demands attention, but no more.
Strange as it may sound, but the machine in the USSR rarely shore. Depended solely on the owner, would he open once the user manual or not. You think that if a modern car shed practicing from the lawn and nigra in a box, then it will ride happily ever after? No, it's not. The true story of the Soviet motorist — a total lack of normal consumables and more or less important parts. And from this constant need to invent the wheel based on the advice of grandparents and the relevant headings of the magazine "the ruble." Lil someone in Soviet times, at least the oil according to the regulations, and with high-quality additives...
Oh, my parents received very different, but in General the average s/n in the country could be considered a 120-140 rubles (or am I wrong?) The price of the refrigerator ZIL was 340 rubles (and Rosenlew then was 700), i.e., either a 2.5-3 or 5-6 times the average monthly salary of a Soviet citizen, now the average monthly salary in the country is called 38 thousand rubles, ie, the same product is 100000 (or 190000, in the case of imported equivalent). Now, when we found out how much it should cost today, open the search engine and find the proverbial Rosenlew: depending on the model (read — volume) the price is in the range from 100 to 200 thousand rubles.
And all this ultimately means that as half a century ago in order to have a quality refrigerator, the family must be either wealthy, or the quarter/six months to live at s/n of a member, and s/n of a second breadwinner to postpone the purchase of the much desired household item. But now, unlike those ancient times, there is a certain freedom you don't have to save and buy a refrigerator for 1/4 of the monthly s/n and it will even work, not as long and not as good, but sacrifices for the sake of buying it will not have to go, but you can buy Liebherr 1.5 s/n, which "your age is enough" — that's you choice.
It's like the law of conservation of energy: there are quality item and the price for it is almost constant: no money — no quality. With sausage, by the way, the same story)
Can interpolate on cars.
With processing plants "on my planet," all right.
What planet are you from?
Read a part of some sort of sausage or yogurt or other food product. Anything you want is there.
Don't know what cars you saw, I guess on your planet is really a machine was rubbish. You still remember the days of the tsars. Then the capacity of the equipment was no
Don't know how your ancestors got, once you kind of astronomicheskaja proportion poochies, but my family was earning quite good money.
And processing plants? Perhaps on your planet their 3 pieces in each city.
Are you talking about.
All sorts of freaks deliberately understated the quality standards of production in order to sell normal quality at exorbitant prices under the guise of beautiful words. Or say that it is not? Turns out fat man has a multimillion income per month he's not worthy of quality products? So according to your words?
Not lazy, read delusional comments. And now the questions:
1 why, if the products is shit from where the liver is bent, the life expectancy is constantly growing?
2 why a new car in hours is much more reliable and easy than absolutely low-tech shit that they did before?
3 processing of raw materials: start to read about the Audi A2 — then we will discuss who and what processes and how are new things, OK?
Again: "things have outlived their owners" — to remind you what were those things relevant? Specifically, to machines, for example, owners who incessantly ssbbw, oiled, stretched, was spricevalo, regulated? Most motorists Soviet machine took time and effort more often than other things. And those who ignored these actions — rot, junk, wouldn't start, not driving, not slow) Many know who their brand new Toyota after the purchase drives in the garage fluff pussala, to stretch and lubricate, and then repeats these steps with enviable regularity? That's right — this is not needed, what is shit?
Going back to your refrigerator: how much was it? I think now the equivalent of its cost easily bought Rosenlew, which is not something that you and your grandchildren will survive.
Finally understand: neither you nor I nor anyone else do not sell, and give to each according to his needs and possibilities. If you knowingly buy crap — well, it is your...
PS Among my friends there is no one who would have bought the car new and had with him some serious problems, and nose I have everything: Hyundai, VAG, Volvo, Mercedes, Nissan, Citroen, Lexus, Toyota, Subaru, Honda, BMW. Some for over 10 years — Yes, small things some demands attention, but no more.
Began for health, finished for the repose. The whole dialogue started with the fact that we shit are you peddling. A hawala and admire. Positi my earlier comments or do not write anything in response.
www.drive2.ru/b/488739791567847730/
Here's to you about the range Rover: a very good read. The owners of these cars is not worried about suffering mechanics when changing the filter), and how this will make "Bob", who bought at the last and for 1/10 of the real cost — not the manufacturer's issue. On my fuel filter as a single part is absent: it changes with the pump and bulb is the only engineering solution: don't shed that was in the tank and will not have to change, and if you do — Yes, expensive, but fast and convenient.
About CVT: the Nissan Juke 1.6 turbo, all-wheel drive, CVT — 170 thousand mileage is only once in 15 thousand.
I do not deny that there is a defect and failure to constructively cars, but if you have a goal to buy a decent reliable car — are there, you just have to want it.
I see another "before the grass was greener, sky is cleaner, and the trees above," but that's what it was, and remained so, but there are individuals who have lived well, and not being able to adapt to new realities — whine: give it, give it. Dislike — everything is in your hands.
PS How much you personally flew the machines?
What resource from the variator? Especially the new? Maybe I forgot how to Karuah new machines out? How menchetsya fuel filtr on renice?
And do not pull out foutu from the text and build on her response. Or master the entire text? Or also, hear only what they want?
Such as you to engage in dialogue is pointless.
Goodbye.
I saw something about a refrigerator ZIL. So I Stinol has been working for nearly 30 years: and yet the same will work.
The nonsense about 30 thousand and the release of leave for owners of Lada and ancient b/troughs: right now I have a car well, ideal for our argument, come up with the 1.4 turbo, robot, lots of electronics: mileage without investment has exceeded 160 thousand (Hey, Volga, where are you, rotted and collapsed?) with maintainability, everything is in order, too, with the reliability, comfort and safety with what it was 40 years ago, even as it is inconvenient to compare.
Octavia and Camry taxi 300-400 thousand go — where there before them the ancient stuff, which even when it was relevant, it was necessary incessantly to fix. Come on, tell the tale of the gray bull as the Volga and Zhiguli with Muscovite went by 400 thousand without investing and I and all who are in the subject laugh.
ali-vlad
What we wanted to prove. The representatives of the oldest profession.
And it is not necessary for me to decide what I need and what is not.
I want a normal car, but there is so much money. Therefore, only BU. But what is it? And there is shit that we vparivayut such blogery. Bought it, drove 30 thousand and we have to change everything. That is correct, Yes?
It is a real deception. People hold for idiots, they shoved a spoonful of shit in your mouth and tell you how high-tech this shit of wakakaka. With pictures, with video, with florid texts. But that doesn't change the fact: shit is shit, as you call it.
"I want a normal car, but there is so much money..." — so maybe the problem is not the producers, and crappy cars?
What is there in the "unbreakable Union" with the prices of cars and s/n? Wait, the average s/n in the country was 120 roubles and the price of the Volga river at 9000, i.e., 75 times the average salary, now the country is called the average s/n of 40,000 rubles, so in the modern world in monetary terms, the analogue of the Volga should be worth 3,000,000 rubles: I assure you, for the money you can buy a wonderful auto which you drive much more notorious creations of Gas, giving the comfort and safety)
Yes, there are people like without the grass feels good. Judging from how to dress and what to drive.
zaluPOLOg
While I was there, the weather is the same Peter, multiplied by two for the rate of change of rain sun. Until wasted, as even over the natives sad for myself. By the way the natives were surprised, especially the girls. The rain is cold haracic, and they are on their Lacepede with umbrellas on the edge of scratching. And no, by the way of sad faces about the rain.
So why the sad faces come from, if the herb is legal😀
Woldemaar
As always. cognitive and mega-interesting. Thank you for your work! Advocate for the restoration of such production in our country.
Cheaper to buy the Chinese and glue their tags than to raise the plant.
As always. cognitive and mega-interesting. Thank you for your work! Advocate for the restoration of such production in our country.
Sniffus
In the Network go to the person due to the absence of the risk of getting hit in the ear with a right. :)
Come across the reviews about entom NRF — quality somewhere between AVA and Nissens.
Ava ask it avno. For a year and enough Nissens much better made
You obviously prematurely released from special companies, you are delusional. Since I'm not told who's special. Come back, you still are buggy.
as well as your
hondacar got out of the poses of the plinth to tell who's special...in Autoreview see Swami have not talked
SMIT-SOL
Who gave you the title of the auto?
Zarubica constantly asking the same question, silent.
sore subject really
as fans of Karasikova, but there just is no Pro — Pro in Karauzak not go
I saw a small factory
the human line
now I understand why they their products from time to time and is expensive
Interesting review. Read to the end, and interesting. Even a little envy you that it all looked!
Bought the heater core at NRF existential, put, the hose it is suitable to hot to touch not coming out too hot, but the cooling is so small that in the winter after a blow-through air, it is practically not heated. Flap work, no mixing. Question: I have a fake or they do such a g?..
Cool.
Clean and the staff normally work.
Our factory... will remember and shudder.
Thanks for the article! Now at least I know approximately what and how and what to eat 😊
Sergey-Kuban
I saw yesterday a bull to a cat climbed😱
I'm talking about what you saw in the video, 4 workers for the whole enterprise, in their clothes, if they from the street was invited to pose for your camera. Eminent firm, invited the blogger to publicize their work? Here is advanced so advanced that only few know about them.
I was also on two plants in Germany, LUK, FEBI, even though not a blogger, so what?
Sergey-Kuban
Where rudeness saw?! Not like honest comments and close the discussion
the rudeness, the thing is invisible. contacting a stranger to YOU, that's the first sign of rudeness, a priori...
Sergey-Kuban
Here you uncles not teachable! I voiced what I saw. And you saw the rudeness and poor parenting! Well, you write an honest review about this office! To us any low quality radiators come from India, even though they claim that monitor the quality! Just what is the point then to advertise the plant parts which we can hardly reach? You can see that the factory is not big, shop small, tend to work only 10 countries in Europe
Come to us radiators from India due to low purchasing power. Anyone okay with this ability, buy the original BMW radiator, and in the box you will find the NRF.
Personally, I was curious about vessel sinks, although even more interesting would be to attend the production live
And where does the bus?
Alliance identity is doing well and, horror of horrors, they have a factory in India
And Trelleborg one time did Belshina, so what?
artemspec
The main idea of the post is to show how to do the radiators. The plant in India think such a process to safely remove would not work, and to go far. I do not appreciate the quality of the brand radiators in General, I'm just talking about what I see — made in Holland products for different techniques, including original BMW I saw the relevant invoices. Also you do not understand the point about boxcooler — that they were invented in 1959, NRF, and they became popular in the marine industry. The rest of your hints about the fact that he took people off the street for a photo shoot is disrespect and rudeness.
About the company Trelleborg ever heard? That's where the quality and the radiators easy and the Chinese are doing normal quality
On culture and education to their working class you as the moon... see Less propaganda-TV.
To keep such people on to this rudeness! To be honest, I deeply with a high belfry on these people in the second world war, too, the Europeans our ancestors were hanged and killed, and now you and they wonder what they are pedantic and good. Look above wrote:junkies, queers, Yes prastitutki here their whole working class!
What respect can we talk?
The main idea of the post is to show how to do the radiators. The plant in India think such a process to safely remove would not work, and to go far. I do not appreciate the quality of the brand radiators in General, I'm just talking about what I see — made in Holland products for different techniques, including original BMW I saw the relevant invoices. Also you do not understand the point about boxcooler — that they were invented in 1959, NRF, and they became popular in the marine industry. The rest of your hints about the fact that he took people off the street for a photo shoot is disrespect and rudeness.
Here you uncles not teachable! I voiced what I saw. And you saw the rudeness and poor parenting! Well, you write an honest review about this office! To us any low quality radiators come from India, even though they claim that monitor the quality! Just what is the point then to advertise the plant parts which we can hardly reach? You can see that the factory is not big, shop small, tend to work only 10 countries in Europe
Rudeness without any arguments is the tradition of the Kuban or are you just badly brought up?
I saw yesterday a bull to a cat climbed😱
I'm talking about what you saw in the video, 4 workers for the whole enterprise, in their clothes, if they from the street was invited to pose for your camera. Eminent firm, invited the blogger to publicize their work? Here is advanced so advanced that only few know about them.
you read the article? I have personally seen them in the factory with the invoice leading to the BMW plant
I doubt that this factory is a world leader and there is something first invented in the 50s! And 50 x probably ships without radiators went?! The second world war with all appliances no heatsink right?!And what a respected firm will be allowed on production of some blogger?!they even branded overalls no, cowboy desktop type sasica
It is felt that the company stepped up and is trying to make its brand recognizable in the market of Russia and CIS. Even some a couple of years ago about the company could find only fragments of data in the Internet, and now the whole report. It is nice though! Hope the quality will continue to stay on top!
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It is not necessary to judge all by itself. You said yourself that you're better off. The screenshot attach?
NRF Netherlands?) Ordered on Clio 3 Existential warned China, the app is also China... that's the original do not know where it was made but it costs 2 times more expensive ($500)
Achkasov thank you !
of course a report from a cafe shop
would be more organic
but the radiators and the Netherlands is also great !
One hundred eleven thousand three hundred fifteen
Informative! Only 6:50 in the video, talk about some 600-700 degrees for several hours — not krutovato for aluminum with a melting point of 660?
no, there's alloy, melting point above
Informative! Only 6:50 in the video, talk about some 600-700 degrees for several hours — not krutovato for aluminum with a melting point of 660?
Unfortunately, not all brands are ready to show the production in detail and even give to shoot there. All like to just poreklamirovat on behalf of the blogger. But I like not interesting, maybe, benefit from this no readers
No, thank you. I've already bought :-) will Put, see how it works and make conclusions for themselves. And the story is interesting, the more such need.
I bought this radiator. On the box and on the heatsink, sticker "Made in China". How so? Is there a factory? Or subcontract?
Bought condenser NFR, the phone on the radiator to suit failed and was welded the fitting is crooked, they put a low score...
We already pohren as well in Europe, the products do.Rushka only cheap China.Sanctions for us. Dolboyaschery delighted unanimously vote! Prolonged applause passing in Avatsii!
Bought a cooler from this company for a Lanos. Done well and accurately but does not engage on regular fasteners ( differs slightly according to size) had kolhozah to install.