Filled more than fits in the tank: cheating at the gas station or the norm? We conducted an experiment.
I think many of you faced with such a situation: on the burning light arrived at the gas station (that is in the tank even just have a few liters), and then you poured more gasoline than is specified in the "fuel tank capacity" in the service book of your car. Exactly the same story happened on one of popular network the gas station on the M4 a couple weeks ago in another not empty tank Skoda Rapid with a nameplate capacity of 55 liters climbed 57 liters of fuel.
Full sizeBecause I was just about to scheduled maintenance, I asked the masters from my service (I bought and service the car I'm in “Atlant-M Tushino”) to help me conduct the experiment: to measure exactly how much fuel remains in the tank when you fire the bulb, and how much fuel you can pour into a completely empty tank. The service responded, for what they respect and mention in the post — good Director Sergey immediately said, that tank holds more than written, citing your experience in racing. For the experiment, I have purchased cans to drain the fuel, measuring cups 5 and 1 l funnel.
Full sizeFor those too lazy to read and watch pictures, I made a video version of this experiment:
Once I almost vegetal tank, I went in Tushino, and was circling the service until the moment the lamp lights up (it has happened about five hundred meters from the gate of the workshop).
Full sizeNext, we drove the car to the shop, and with the help of special installations for gas discharge pumped fuel into the barrel installation.
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Full sizeI have learned even unknown — that the tank tube can be hung on the flap, for that it has a special slot. As they say, RTFM.
Full sizeFirst drained through the filler neck of the gas tank, then removed the fuel pump leaked fuel from his glass, and residue from the bottom of the tank.
Full sizeI had about 8.6 liters of fuel. Why “roughly” — I'll tell you a bit closer to the end of the story.
Full sizeNext, we spun the fuel pump back in, called a tow truck. Unfortunately, the tow truck appeared with a sloping platform, and to the extent possible to align the car, we put under the rear wheels with wood blocks.
Full sizeAfter that, went to the gas station. City “Gazelle” on gas, of course, a hell of a car, despite the fact that the cost of the trip back was a distraction. The gas station has chosen the same network where you would normally refuel and automatic, to avoid questions on the survey.
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Then it all just started dressing. Manual Skoda Rapid (and other cars too) prescribes to stop fueling at the first click shutoff.
This is to ensure that the fuel does not fall into the tube of ventilation of a tank is designed to remove gasoline vapors. Have a Rapid (as well as many other cars, including the production of VAG) side inside the cap there is a lever which is pressed a tube when installing it.
Full sizeIt opens the appropriate valve of the ventilation system. It is also possible to click with the gun, then heard the hiss of escaping air and climbs into a tank of several litres. But to do it constantly is not worth it for the charcoal canister is not useful.
The first click shutoff is inserted into the tank of the gun occurred at around 55.9 liters. We poured petrol how much is shed, not paying attention to clicks, at the same time pushed the lever of the valve. Gasoline flow freely to the level of 60.5 liters. Shake of the car, we were able to pour more 1.15 l — total 61.65 L. We shook the long-suffering Rapid, and then poured in the throat — stopping at 63.9 liters.
Full sizeRemind, so much fuel got in a 55 litre tank!
Now we were faced with the main question: whether it is the number of gasoline was in the tank? To find out, we are not removing the car from the tow truck went back into service. After unloading from the tow truck (and unload my pockets on 5500 roubles for the term “Gazelle”) the guys were throwing Rapid in the same box, and repeat the draining procedure — first from the mouth of the tank then from the tank and “glass” fuel pump.
Full sizeIt took a lot of time — because shakes the barrel is not quick. In the process of unloading the fuel, we didn't push the valve of the ventilation system.
Full sizeSo we siphoned all the gasoline in the barrel. On a primitive scale made according to the principle of communicating vessels, we've got about 63 liters.
Full sizeBut the scale is there are too simplistic, therefore, to increase the measurement accuracy, we poured gasoline from a barrel into a 5-liter volumetric capacity, then from the container was poured the gasoline in the tank of the car.
Full sizeFuel from the fuel pump glass was poured immediately into a volumetric capacity.
Full sizeIn the process spilled on the floor a certain amount of fuel — I think a couple of glasses, but in the mind of all began to fly of a butterfly, it got hard to think and easy — silly joke.
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In the end, we poured out of the barrel 12 of the measuring containers, that is 60 litres. Of these, only 57 litres has entered the tank flows by gravity through the funnel. The last, thirteenth capacity presented a surprise — it was about a liter of fuel, if you believe the scale. That is, taking into account all losses of the Straits, we leaked from the tank approximately 61.5-61.7 L. From filled at the gas station lacked about two liters of fuel. We began to think.
We started to look for loss. The Symposium gathered artists, the result was several working versions:
In the process of draining we switched on the ignition, and part of the fuel left in the piping for pressure generation. A little — tens of grams.
— Merged we are not all the gasoline part of him left somewhere in the tank.
— When the sink is not pressed, the vent valve and part of the fuel remained in the vent tube. Possible.
— Loss on wetting the barrel and tank. Not very significant — the norm is about 0.2-0.4 kg per ton of fuel.
— Evaporation losses (even more negligible).
— Volume change in connection with change of temperature (in a cool workshop).
— It was necessary to measure fuel level in pounds and not gallons, as they do in determining oil consumption.
— The scale on the measuring capacitance lies.
— Underfilling at a gas station.
Because check out the first paragraphs have not been possible without repeating the entire procedure, what time it was, we decided to begin to test the measuring device. As a “calibrator” made a jar for mixing paint, which we filled with petrol 500 ml and poured into a container.
Full sizeThe third jar we have specifically inhaled — it was quite fun. And all of them was ten.
Full sizeAlthough this measurement was also, in fact, to the eye, it led to interesting results — risk 5 l volumetric capacity was much higher than the fuel level, and more or less accurately represents 5 litres.
Full sizeTurns out everyone of the thirteen times we filled the tank for 100-150 (or more? Lily on the eye) milliliters more than necessary. That is, could easily be mistaken for one and a half to two liters, and the fuel system could have more to stay. It turns out that the experiment was a success, despite the obvious measurement error.
In order to verify the correctness, I decided to produce a fact dispenser — fuel dispensers, where we filled the car. The fuel company to this idea were treated badly and sent a technician with a meter.
Full sizeThe calibration TRC follows — take a special poverenny and calibrated measuring container with a sealed scale. Capacity resembles a large dumbbell. The first Bay is to soak the tank. Then its contents are poured back into the tank. The second Gulf — test. Hose merges into a special container all fuel residue. Then, in the measuring device is filled with 10 liters of fuel. We poured the same fuel from the same dispenser. As a result, the measuring device was the first measurement on 20 in the next two to 10 ounces more. Does that column works in plus the driver?
Full sizeAccording to an employee of the company who performed the calibration, not necessarily — the fact that the error at the temperature from +15 to +25 degrees standards amounts to +- 20 ml in 10 liters and at a temperature below +15 — as many as 40 ml, and in the one and the other.
The results of the experiment, briefly:
— In tank Skoda Rapid caught fire when a light bulb is a little less than 9 litres of fuel
In Skoda Rapid dry tank capacity of 55 liters gets close to 64 litres of fuel, if you fill up until it stops
The first cut-off when refueling on the SEC happening at 55.9 years, which is close to the certified amount
— Drained all the gasoline we could not pour back into the tank using Jerry cans — got only 58-58.3 years (taking into account an estimated error).
— Cheap measuring cups very roughly show the amount. Accuracy may be 30-50 ml per liter.
Dear friends, now you have the floor. How much fuel in your car (which) remains a burning light bulb? Have you encountered a similar situation the Gulf at the gas station more than the volume of the tank, find out whether you why, and what are your thoughts on this? How much more gasoline you managed to fill the tank of your car with all sorts of tricks (shake, a button, etc.)? Waiting for your comments!
WERNER95
Article gorgeous if I understand correctly you have a lot of free time and money on this nonsense( in a pocket do not climb to you ) their lack. If I could spend this time with benefits well, for example to knit a pair of wool socks for the winter or mittens and then use and experience. You can even a computer to look, and even on tank capacity affected by temperature( here described).
Usually it's "sponsored" posts... no one voluntarily, and for their money to roll a serviceable car on the tow truck the car to the gas station and back will not be )))))
If the check valve does not hold, then the SEC vozduxa!
Again the fuel is not flowing from the hose, and candy bar!
Ie from the gun to meter the volume of fuel present.
artemspec
And as such can be open? Or conversely, to conceal from inspections?
The most "brazen" of legal — not a big leak the check valve in the column.
Hose column can hold up to 3-4 liters, because when You refuel at a "dry hose", then pay an additional 0.5-4L of fuel left in the filling hose from the meter to the gun.
This fuel will not get You the tank, and by gravity(slow) come back down in a container of fuel, that is in the pocket of dishonest hucksters.
So the day 100-200 refills, and you can buy a Lexus.
But during verification, if the client begins to hump, everything will look beautiful ))) because in the rules it is said — prior to filling of the measuring capacity necessarily "wetting", that is, if the hose was empty then fill it, and when the second enable column poured very smoothly, and often in the " + " guaranteed client will expose the sucker — like look we have even more poured what the Bay? ))))
Carefully the matter came. A good article) will also Insert my 5 cents. I have used that in 51-litre tank fit for 55 liters. In General, immediately knew that the tank can climb more, so don't worry. But to this I drove for a few gallons more mileage.
Was the situation until the red mark was still 3 mm call for refueling and speak specifically to the full tank is empty. And Prior, I have filled 49 liters. To the question where and how? Said what type of tank is expanded by temperature. Excuse me but not that much.
And finally in my Prior got about 60 litres of this is by the standards of refueling.
Tank at rapid speeds, as on all the VAG plastic? Most likely. From temperature expansion or contraction, from here is your error.
When's the cat to do not.first, he licks the eggs(joke)Yes, the author has meticulously bother cool)I'm seven years have not seen a burning light bulbs, maybe she's not working, XS)😀
MudDiver
Usually antifreeze in kilograms sell and not in litres.
In kilograms domestic sell antifreeze, antifreeze I European and Japanese manufacturers (not bottled in Dzerzhinsk, etc.) is sold in litres. And 10 kg of antifreeze is 9 LITERS!
I once also confuse the measurement. Filled Gazprom 10l. 92 in the canister, I arrived at the garage and decided to check the displacement. As a measuring device used liter canister from a antifreeze where there was division. In the results of my actions, not before Liv was 250 grams.
For the sake of the experiment were stopped at a gas station when sapos stroke burned 0км.
Auto IS250
Passport tank 65 litres
filled under the throat. Includes about 62 liters.
Alex76067
And the fuel refills. Refueled full tank of 95 octane at the throat, always on a different pump-mixed flow computer was 15.3 and 14.5 in Baku. Once had to fill a full tank at Gazprom, first just calculated the flow on the Baku-came out to 17.5 l...when rolling out this benzo, evidence in the computer and not changed-15,3-15,6 L. When the petrol ran out and I again tucked under the throat at its constant refill flow rate at Baku emerged 15.3 l and comp all also showed a 15.6...🤷♂ this Conclusion: underfilling and then partially compensate for the bonuses... I think so fix this
PS: the tank on the passport 90l
I think it evaporates faster
Alex76067
Oh I do not know😬 shell expensive, but also want to experiment, they also take a benzo where closer, but the V-power they have with a proprietary additive package
V-power by the way is not bad, I liked it, but it's basically where a lot of so-branded gasoline will be good. But not Gazprom)
artemspec
Additives like everywhere now but are they necessary?
Rode a lot of country and refuel at different gas stations, branded gasoline at times different from the usual Euro 5
Our refineries, as far as I know, doing a maximum of 92 Benz, and then the octane chemistry finish, each type has its own secret formula😆
Oh I do not know😬 shell expensive, but also want to experiment, they also take a benzo where closer, but the V-power they have with a proprietary additive package
And the fuel refills. Refueled full tank of 95 octane at the throat, always on a different pump-mixed flow computer was 15.3 and 14.5 in Baku. Once had to fill a full tank at Gazprom, first just calculated the flow on the Baku-came out to 17.5 l...when rolling out this benzo, evidence in the computer and not changed-15,3-15,6 L. When the petrol ran out and I again tucked under the throat at its constant refill flow rate at Baku emerged 15.3 l and comp all also showed a 15.6...🤷♂ this Conclusion: underfilling and then partially compensate for the bonuses... I think so fix this
PS: the tank on the passport 90l
Kazanovd
try the same experiment, only gas stations along major highways, preferably in a southerly direction. The most prominent case was when I was in toroidal gas tank capacity of 42 liters(passport, gas is full volume), filled 45 and then I said — enough. Parallel to the gun to the man in a 65 l cylinder exceeds 68, and he also stopped the tanker... the gas station there are a million ways to "warm up" if interested tell me how )))))
Tell here, let everyone know)
It doesn't matter, I pay for 10 liters and pour into the canister of 10.7,while in the tank pay for 10 and 10 on the meter
gazgaz19
Such large-scale experiments are not conducted but managed to catch a little more at a local station.If you fill the tank 10 liters then the score shows 10 liters.If a 10-liter canister at the end of filling the scoreboard lit of 10.7 litres canister full.So the conclusion is quite unambiguous.
Duc cans mark is not under the cover
Yes, about the fact that to buy anything along the way...depends on your situation...I lived in Kazakhstan in the village, everything was his...then moved to the city but the market was bought with no problems. Again, from friends of the village :) the quality was always on top. So in the CIS also has great food, as anywhere, one must know where to look. But the supermarket he and in Africa the supermarket...the grass here and there...from time to time emerge we have all sorts of details of the composition of any food, a couple of years ago chain Lidl sold a lasagna made of horse meat, and had to be beef. All anything, but horse meat was infected. It is only what is revealed and how much concealed. Oh, something I almost dashed off a novel :-D so I bid you all adieu and have a great day with delicious food ;)
Oh yeah!
Exactly.
Know the answer to the example.
Go to the villages and farmers sell vegetables and berries, wine. Not just bought. The expensive and at times. Cherry — € 7, in store 3 mine... the wine is also 10, store 4, tipo...
Only farmers there are all very nice.
And then You will buy along the way?
I'm not.
and you my friend are funny...no, these stores don't know...one small fact: why the Germans are richer, buy meat, bread and vegetables with fruits not in the supermarket? And no, they do not have that type for the sake of show-off. You can ponder if you want.
ALEXANDRDIEZEL
To declare what here and there ... need to compare.
From the land of the "Motherland mother" I eat what I growths. Yes... good. Other supposedly sold, I do not buy. On the track dumb and I don't trust. In stores... I also don't buy ours.
Before the Polish was delicious. Juicy.
Now only there to eat...
We do not carry the Polish and all because what the fuck understand what measures and pride in the Pope someone.
Persimmon Spanish — Hells tasty... but is it worth the space. Our don't eat... don't want to.
What else?
Water and juices... I don't like what we sell.
It tastes better.
To compare — try it yourself.
For grain.
Maybe gather up... yeah. And the quality of grain is what? If I say "good" or "normal" — it's only words.
What is the quality of the contrasting grain and our from Canada, the EU? Let the results of an independent examination... who compared?
As an example — the quality of bread in our ordinary and EU compare?
Then go? Then meat.
You ate it from us and there? Compare trying.
And so about everything.
I do not see real progress.
Milk... how do You? The cheeses? Further.
So ... don't believe because I know.
And plastic who bring to us? They are not... and the one who pushes us from our well.
So... sorry, but everything is... really good Kh. n eat right?
Therefore, the "stepmother" to get some democracy and to eat... what do You want.
God forbid to eat the German bread from the supermarket, meat is also...about the vegetables at all...bakeries and butcher is better, but the prices are gourmet.It's all about Germany, are the Czech Republic, there in the supermarket bakery better than the German Baker and the price is much lower than in a German supermarket, the meat will not say, as it was not possible to buy it there.
I don't believe I see Germans every day lives nearby, in a communal apartment, see where he came from there, see what he wears, what phone. And saw what he filmed on camera, this is enough.
There is still a German engineer friend in Russia works in Breweries, has long been, as it saves on all people. Has been living with a woman of our eight years as, and only eats and drinks, Yes listens, understands all, but the life in Germany does not boast. From our grub in delight.
To each his own, what if in Russia the Germans are doing? What do you in Europe if there is a physician for all?
To each his own.
You are blessed because you believe in what they themselves write. I'm glad.
Persuade not my job.
Apples for me Michurinskiy more to taste, with worms.
Persimmon we are not growing.
Meat we also have nicho, but it's worth the space. Though Tver is not, as there is in Kemi. But there are bear, elk, deer, wild boar.
I buy it sometimes, although this beef is unhealthy, familiar German, not even tried, it's not available in Germany ordinary people, his words are very expensive. In the US some of kfsi miserable eating.
Water in Russia is not very good, but you can buy any good, everywhere. Milk the Russians bad! And cheese never and do not know how, we have turnips, so what happened?! Napoleon did not like! He just stood there, without cheese, poiskhudal in Russia with his army.
Bread of course, in chain stores, this is a disaster! But what kinds of bread are baked in cafes, and any pellet on the market!
The grain shit, you know, poisonous, entirely on the fertilizer, but the buckwheat is there are plenty of other normal cereals, and there is some cereal empty.
And which fish offer?!
Silver salmon, nelma, muksun, broad whitefish, lake trout, Chinook salmon, salmon real, not from the cage and a lot more then, why not dream Europeans.
The German said that they devour it some sandwiches with mayonnaise and a plastic sausage. A sister from Spain brought the sausage, not bad. We also have a decent.
It is not necessary for the "fives" going around to disperse them is necessary.
I want to eat normally — don't go to Europe! Omanut! No wonder that French cooks had to learn these sauces to make that sawdust you can eat. And McDonald's is not necessary. And sausages German not necessary, and cabbage with the pork knuckle — better Russian jellied meat, with his own cabbage and Yam.
A normal meal where there are many, but not all are available!
In Russia, more than healthy and affordable food. It is not necessary to extol Europe, with their persimmon.
They have persimmon, we have a sturgeon!
To declare what here and there ... need to compare.
From the land of the "Motherland mother" I eat what I growths. Yes... good. Other supposedly sold, I do not buy. On the track dumb and I don't trust. In stores... I also don't buy ours.
Before the Polish was delicious. Juicy.
Now only there to eat...
We do not carry the Polish and all because what the fuck understand what measures and pride in the Pope someone.
Persimmon Spanish — Hells tasty... but is it worth the space. Our don't eat... don't want to.
What else?
Water and juices... I don't like what we sell.
It tastes better.
To compare — try it yourself.
For grain.
Maybe gather up... yeah. And the quality of grain is what? If I say "good" or "normal" — it's only words.
What is the quality of the contrasting grain and our from Canada, the EU? Let the results of an independent examination... who compared?
As an example — the quality of bread in our ordinary and EU compare?
Then go? Then meat.
You ate it from us and there? Compare trying.
And so about everything.
I do not see real progress.
Milk... how do You? The cheeses? Further.
So ... don't believe because I know.
And plastic who bring to us? They are not... and the one who pushes us from our well.
So... sorry, but everything is... really good Kh. n eat right?
Therefore, the "stepmother" to get some democracy and to eat... what do You want.
Why are you? In Tambov opened everything! Set up the elevators, the entire planet was filled with grain.
Tomatoes in Russia hardly grow where the weeds?
Plastic over the hill vegetables are grown and not real apples.
lamskiy71
I am absolutely not against GMOs this against our leaders in power.
Here we have from this and the lack of quality fruit and vegetables, partly of course.
And they it works.
We lack that much overgrown with weeds?
How much and what do we collect?
And so in all... dust in the eyes and all.
We lack that much overgrown with weeds?
How much and what do we collect?
And so in all... dust in the eyes and all.
I am absolutely not against GMOs this against our leaders in power.
Here we have from this and the lack of quality fruit and vegetables, partly of course.
And they it works.
lamskiy71
No it is not OK, this is shit, I agree.
Rot for sale — don't buy!
Fruit vegetables, but as they be there are cheaper and better? They grow better, because there is much warmer, and GMOs all around.
Normal clothes, we have expensive, and not all are sold, what to do? Do not know how nichrome.
The road there has always been good, we are bad, they previously did not exist, now at least appear steel.
Fuel and we have a normal, with 2008 burned 60 tons, never felt bad on the car, diesel fuel, maybe worse, I can't judge.
GMOs and you vtyuhivat can... to 4 percent (I think so, but I can be mistaken in the figure) can not write because it is a "technical mixture".
What do You have against GMOs? What's the danger? I can not understand in any way. For me it is much more dangerous chemically watered products.
About the price — gave an example... a salad costs 50 cents, but we re 100 (approximately). This is an argument? Probably not... stat.account not lead. But my opinion... there are cheaper and /or better. This assessment of mine.
Where to buy? If normal don't know where to find... angry and go. For "stepmother," I want to at least eat well and drink good.
How timely, then...just came back from Europe before the crossing light came on, with burning drove 5 km. At the gas station ordered a 50L, but came from 49.04, and the shooting happened at 46 L. Filled in "under the neck", swung, but 50 is not included.
Auto: Toyota RAV4 2018 V. 2.0 petrol, the tank is 60 liters
I encountered that we have 100 petrol is not strictly made up, continue to experiment. 95 poured into the aisles of the error. as 100 of 20-30 litres topped up 3-4L
Ivan7391
Article top favorites for sure. Always pour to the mouth, as long as the gasoline will not cease to leave, shaking the car. But apparently this is bad, I understand...
not surprised when a rock every time the car at the gas station?
Article top favorites for sure. Always pour to the mouth, as long as the gasoline will not cease to leave, shaking the car. But apparently this is bad, I understand...
surprisingly, the scheme goes like this:
1. tank
2. the pipeline
3. the filter (not all shops)
4. monoblock
5. volume measuring device
6. the Flex TRK
7. sleeve
8. break wires clutch SSB
9. gun ZVA
So-so, depending on the type of dispenser (pressure or suction) check valve is:
naporka — turbine
the suction duct of the tank, a filter before obyasnila in obyasnite
If damage to any non-return valve, column slowly begins to swing and voscosity but the sleeve is always full!
Only when the sleeve is empty, that is, if the mechanic after the restoration of the breaking of the clutch didn't fill it out, and then, according to the instructions it needs to check for leaks, thus he fills it.
Just work very long in this field, I can say only one thing:
Control over the accuracy of the bulk is enormous, the SEC shed every month, the error of the SEC and the internal norms of different things, all that is over +-20 corrected.
Slow work of TRK — a fault with a fix time 3h and closing of the dispenser.
At the gas station LUKOIL are the level gauges in the tanks and they catch discrepancies to 1l ! So that the operator even with a great desire to be able to steal petrol. And the whole difference through explanatory... i.e. they do not need.
Something like filter separator, (there were o-rings with 2 sides) but the filter I have not watched.Can filter stood in front of the bulb.
We brought the o-rings, because guns are often tech and all I remember from the briefing, it is the hose, gun and then the sump will not climb)))))When draining with a hose and that of the settler/filter/flasks underline))) was about 3 liters
what is a sump then?
Here I was 8 years old repair of the complex and first time hear about this
It depends on the speakers.I can't remember how it was called...Had 2 options:
1 column cut in the operator
2 remove the gun and the pump cut
Here on the second option and walked suspensions of the gun.Ie, I filled 2 litres, hose spun and hung, so that gun didn't pull the lower trigger.Then the next was injected with 2 liters.
Conventional o-ring.As for the hose before the gun and before otstoinik.Them there is like 2 or 3 pieces before it was.In 2000 we had to change the rings to guns flowed.By the way, and at the same rassklade Benz went out of the Cup, but not critical.That may have changed in design.But I have never encountered mudoi most gas stations, except that 20-50 grams there is uncertainty on temperature.
Svoloch-taka
Not always underfilling is a smart-ass filling.This can happen for many reasons:
1) you have that, who have poured up to you))just to jump on the hose. (many gas pumps have changed the hoses on tougher but soft hoses are still there) on average, the jumper will have you on 1-1.5 liters.Particularly uporotyh — 3 liters
2) if, when renting a gun, starts the pump, then you blow the tanker, if you just hang the gun.To avoid this, just look at the failure counter to 0.Tanker ocheeeen tells an interesting story.And we look at the failure counter))))
3) When drawdown of the rings otstoinik, benzo can leave him and underfilling work until 2-3 liters.It's like a jumper, but without it)))because when filling, first fill the Cup and then go into the tank minus leakage.
For this reason, the measurement using the measuring device, make a second time.So in the first approach, to fill the first glass and the second is to make the "right" measurement)), And there is not only stealth, and no timely service of the speaker.
Filling certainly suffer Nai...tion, but at the expense of circulation is a tiny underfill for the 1st time.
Basic, it is the human factor.Employees, competition, customers, jumpers etc
when renting a gun on a post payment pump will work because the switch got disconnected!
And what of the ring on the sump?
DemonDimon-VIP
So maybe for a change they have from 10 to 40 l balls 😂
Not true)))particularly important, they will overcome these 10-40 liters))))If the stigma of a gun, it is easier to give with underfilling % than to get to the disgrace of a gas station attendant)))
The guy will not get stuck, because the 20-50грамм is the norm on the temperature.You need to compensate for the loss in the same evaporation
Dmitriy907
The guy buys fuel on the basis of tons, gallons sells it again.
If the capacity is in the sun, it is heated not sickly, the fuel expands, is two.
Smart-ass tankers in collusion with the operator and Mulk with columns is three, per shift(per day), with a brisk trade in a good location with a decent turnover-ton as a Bush.Total: we have three. Average hospital 2-3 liters with the client, which is more than at full fuel or less, but lately their complexity, cars are getting smarter and some see filled the actual Qty of fuel.
Infa accurate, a friend owned a chain of petrol stations.
looks like it's been a long time, so 95% of the tanks under the ground
The guy buys fuel on the basis of tons, gallons sells it again.
If the capacity is in the sun, it is heated not sickly, the fuel expands, is two.
Smart-ass tankers in collusion with the operator and Mulk with columns is three, per shift(per day), with a brisk trade in a good location with a decent turnover-ton as a Bush.Total: we have three. Average hospital 2-3 liters with the client, which is more than at full fuel or less, but lately their complexity, cars are getting smarter and some see filled the actual Qty of fuel.
Infa accurate, a friend owned a chain of petrol stations.
Not always underfilling is a smart-ass filling.This can happen for many reasons:
1) you have that, who have poured up to you))just to jump on the hose. (many gas pumps have changed the hoses on tougher but soft hoses are still there) on average, the jumper will have you on 1-1.5 liters.Particularly uporotyh — 3 liters
2) if, when renting a gun, starts the pump, then you blow the tanker, if you just hang the gun.To avoid this, just look at the failure counter to 0.Tanker ocheeeen tells an interesting story.And we look at the failure counter))))
3) When drawdown of the rings otstoinik, benzo can leave him and underfilling work until 2-3 liters.It's like a jumper, but without it)))because when filling, first fill the Cup and then go into the tank minus leakage.
For this reason, the measurement using the measuring device, make a second time.So in the first approach, to fill the first glass and the second is to make the "right" measurement)), And there is not only stealth, and no timely service of the speaker.
Filling certainly suffer Nai...tion, but at the expense of circulation is a tiny underfill for the 1st time.
Basic, it is the human factor.Employees, competition, customers, jumpers etc
automaniac
At work have trucks. When I fill the tank with diesel fuel before calibration. Then after half an hour its level falls. As the diesel fuel which is pumped, a lot of air. I think if feeding gasoline into the tank a small stream of beer, avoiding frothing, you will get more!
There the air in such quantities as you say. It need special feeding air into the pump which is used was. The trucks are formed air pockets which are afterward filled.
If you apply a little fuel trickle in connection with the peculiarities of the counter it may increase error. Is the nominal pressure to which the fuel must be supplied to the correct account.
Generally the fuel is not foaming, foaming diesel only.
automaniac
I do not know where there the foam could take. After all, it was only on one filling. Other rules refueled "while the bottom does not flow"😂
The foaming of normal gasoline when loading.Where other pumps can cost, fine filter a little clogged.Then they may not have.
All right. When filling faby wife, if push pistoletom on the nipple and not in a hurry, it is about 12 liters of fuela after cutoff. Arrow fuel level strahovatsya only after 200km travel)
Opel Astra h diesel. Tank on the passport 52л. At the gas station BC showed a balance of 7.5 HP Filled 58
Great article. I am also in Ibiza with its 45 liter tanks in printsepe can pour into the area 53 liters if you try to make an effort.
So it is still really Like a repost
VW GOLF 5, buck passport 55l. including 7L. when the lamp lights.
In winter and summer under a burning light bulb, filled in under the throat 60 litres. Enough to drive from the gas station to the gas station from Kazan to Orenburg
aglydog
Game! Underfill depends on the senior refueling and operator, working with him in the shift. Underfilling is governed by softinos (which is modern) and simple Pribluda under the telephone socket at the pump, when the equipment is 2000-2007 years. Underfilling is from 4 to 8% by volume. When measuring the dipstick — soft cut off, and the phone Jack out. For the same reason do not pour in plastic (there is visible underfill), although the type of fire safety in accordance with the law, and cans of metal non-standard. Infa — hundreds!
let's read more, as much it became interesting... especially about the phone socket and soft
Permanent underfill. When you call a man with a meter — I also either turned off or is adjusted to the required values when measuring.
Skivi
I was also surprised on the column shell why in checked the canister per litre less. Vachel a guy with a measuring device in by 10 liters, measured. Column ideally pours. A liter is not enough of 19.
What is the secret.
The secret is simple. All the meters by 10 liters. And all columns are poured up to 10 liters of clear, underfilling is when poured more.
Game! Underfill depends on the senior refueling and operator, working with him in the shift. Underfilling is governed by softinos (which is modern) and simple Pribluda under the telephone socket at the pump, when the equipment is 2000-2007 years. Underfilling is from 4 to 8% by volume. When measuring the dipstick — soft cut off, and the phone Jack out. For the same reason do not pour in plastic (there is visible underfill), although the type of fire safety in accordance with the law, and cans of metal non-standard. Infa — hundreds!
Skivi
A neighbor in the Parking lot only refuel.
ie drained from his tank, yet do not see?
according to the regulations with 10l, underfilling should not exceed 50 ml.
at any gas station, any buyer can ask for at his eyes, shed column special span the dipstick, which must be.
Andy-67
So it is not news. But when I was in 45-litre tank was settled 63 liters, I rejoice with Rospotrebnadzor caused... 😊 Me a gift tank, and the gas station two day test... 😇
45 litres underfilling is from 1.8 litres to 2.25. That is, if the gas station is not much okisheva, i.e. the percentage of 4 to 5 percent flooded.
On some forum I read that modern tanks do not plastic or metal, and of a material which is quite "stretched" to the temperature. Interesting, it was just nonsense?
The gesture was too much !Straight tin, not time, not money do not regret it!
Do you need to measure kilograms and temperature is affected.
Based on the experiments under the passport capacity of 55 liters it is really a 57 + 6 litres of residue from the gas station under the throat.
the whole joke is that the air tube of the tank, the manufacturer designs in order because when you heat the fuel, for example in hot weather, it can extended up to 10% in volume.
So why do so love the brain?
Merged hose from the tank as possible and then we went to the gas station. Tucked under the throat. Again merged by the same technology. Here, and compare the Delta column filled by gas stations and the actual.
it's already a pain in the ass) to look into the tank, especially if the night or rather the sun, there is nothing to be seen.Thought there is a certain Kollo clicks to a full tank
Are you serious? I thought it was a joke...
The gun can be pulled out from the tank and not fully pressing the trigger slowly pour and watch the stream and pouring until the tank is full will not be under cover.
But in General, sometimes to wipe anyway.
No, pour for good luck, beginning to turn the trigger was released, removed the gun and a cloth was wiped down.
Stupid question to ask.I have a passport 55...I'll Start pouring, just snapped, two snapped, as here people write that at the throat, and pour? How do you know it is now out of the tank to pour will not start?
The nameplate capacity of a fuel tank of my car 90l.Steel, no clutter in the form of absorbers no.Actually it is, backup lamp in this configuration there is no after arrow went to 0, you can get around the city 50-60,but on the highway, and 100 km. is Charged normally to full, 70-80 L.
Still have LPG, the cylinder 137 l, the cutoff was put at 110,season average 90(not dry roll no Benz-no gas. Cheating at petrol stations often.
There are friends of the owners of network stations, alas I know that if you want to cheat anyone.
The overwhelming deception that I had when I was in a tank of 37 liters filled 59 by pocaterra column.
IAmNotBad
Gazprom paid to all bloggers this is all as a blueprint started writing and videos on YouTube on this topic is to remove absolutely everything... first drain the tank then fill it with several gallons more then poured the same amount, and in addition also on the dipstick and check the type of the staff are okay with it...
And go you are a citizen at the gas station ask using the dipstick to shed column =D
don't know about you but when I worked at the gas station with any request to verify the provided measuring probe and each imported fuel took the bottle and kept until the next supply of fuel, even in the winter took an extra bottle of tanning and put on the column to control the freezing. Maybe now muddy but on a normal petrol station I think no problem to try on
IAmNotBad
Yes really a magic key do not care... one thing is clear, People vote with their pocketbooks on Gazprom, usually not crowded ...
and still it advertise to everybody in all possible ways — why?
All the bloggers here have brought Gazprom ... why?
One and all at the same time the same tests carried out? why?
Ask the officer through the meter shed — why?
WELL, take your measuring device ideal for 10 litres and pour in the filling with random and random speakers — no show is satisfied with the measurers.
Quality check out normally and show where that quality as it is okay let's not all withdraw (writing) the same story on 2 topics : the tank fit more passport volume and Gazprom in favor of the people pouring gasoline... Well, what nonsense?
well, the reasons can be at least two:
1. mastering the advertising budget — we need daws to deliver, and so there creators in the advertising Department came up with that and deliver
2. to accustom people to the idea that to get more than "necessary", at least in order to not distract from work employees of some "measurements", let alone cover any abuse and do not say, I would like to believe that this is purely local, and not centralized
Yes really a magic key do not care... one thing is clear, People vote with their pocketbooks on Gazprom, usually not crowded ...
and still it advertise to everybody in all possible ways — why?
All the bloggers here have brought Gazprom ... why?
One and all at the same time the same tests carried out? why?
Ask the officer through the meter shed — why?
WELL, take your measuring device ideal for 10 litres and pour in the filling with random and random speakers — no show is satisfied with the measurers.
Quality check out normally and show where that quality as it is okay let's not all withdraw (writing) the same story on 2 topics : the tank fit more passport volume and Gazprom in favor of the people pouring gasoline... Well, what nonsense?
IAmNotBad
Gazprom paid to all bloggers this is all as a blueprint started writing and videos on YouTube on this topic is to remove absolutely everything... first drain the tank then fill it with several gallons more then poured the same amount, and in addition also on the dipstick and check the type of the staff are okay with it...
And go you are a citizen at the gas station ask using the dipstick to shed column =D
I would, too, seemed suspicious of the simultaneous measurements of the fuel at the same station, even on a SIM challenge or utgivna stories don't seem to have)
But in fairness — I as a special case of a citizen at the time requested and the meter I pulled out, similarly wigged out — put significantly more passport. Did that, still not revealing it, you never know they have there magic key is "pressed" and the dipstick is normal! The same Volkswagen that was shown us!
Honestly inspections stations in the original plan was not only after suspicion of incomplete filling... I Think the text is clear
Artem... wouldn't want to show Gazprom did not show, to tell you how to remove so not to be seen Gazprom?)
Go to YouTube — garage 54 on the same topic a week ago did test and this ...strekalovskaya, all at one time and as one on Gazprom and asked through the dipstick to shed staff and so helpful grabbed the dipstick and ran to show that speakers are serviceable even poured a little bit — but it's because of the temperature.
And Yes I wasn't the only on it and refuel, just how old is this thread all was silent and then all the bloggers at once ran to Gazprom through the meters to the pouring of the column.
Where at least one mention of the name of the gas station in my post?, I run for many years mainly on GPN. Even the screenshots of their loyalty cards yesterday brought.
Gazprom paid to all bloggers this is all as a blueprint started writing and videos on YouTube on this topic is to remove absolutely everything... first drain the tank then fill it with several gallons more then poured the same amount, and in addition also on the dipstick and check the type of the staff are okay with it...
And go you are a citizen at the gas station ask using the dipstick to shed column =D
never with maximum values encountered, even when the arrow is in a deep scratch (I try never to bring), 60 litre tank is more than 50 kopecks does not fit. We try to fill in for Gazprom, the experience of filling if there is underfilling, then I don't notice it
on the 10l the error of +- 40 milligrams
The tank is not standard, it didn't even trioval in fact.
Suzuki Grand Vitara 2008. tank on the passport 66, the lamp lights up, filled with just a burning lamp from 50 to 52литров. the tank should be about 14литров. already raised this issue in the BZ. personally on the lamp drove 70km. consumption I 13л.
It all depends on the gas station. And not from the network, and from a particular station. He always dressed in the same network. Well, as the light, I stop, give the same amount filled under the cork and get with the amount of change. Once the trip around the edge happened the same story, but stopped at another gas station the same network, when casting under the tube passing suddenly left, and the tube not filled.
Skoda Fabia
went without tricks ~47,5 l in tank 45 to the first shooting and before the car was 60 km with the lamp "remained 0km", the machine glohla ))
trs80
5-10 years ago openly sell the kit for cheating at the pump. electronics for speakers, electronics for somewhere in the booth by the operator, and a keychain from the signaling. the provisions of the norm, and how much underfill.
now don't sell openly, but surely there.
the only option is to buy an old Zhiguli and put the tank in the trunk, and the neck of the dipstick or just any container. and to go to fill up 25-30L but rather on the amount on 1000-1500-2000 R
this will be an experiment. and the price is not so in the tow truck and pump do not need anything
the operator always sees what the car is consuming and how much.
no one will cheat in 10l canister ;_)
I try to pour not to cutoff, and a certain displacement.
Watch the mileage and always know how much you want in the tank.
5-10 years ago openly sell the kit for cheating at the pump. electronics for speakers, electronics for somewhere in the booth by the operator, and a keychain from the signaling. the provisions of the norm, and how much underfill.
now don't sell openly, but surely there.
the only option is to buy an old Zhiguli and put the tank in the trunk, and the neck of the dipstick or just any container. and to go to fill up 25-30L but rather on the amount on 1000-1500-2000 R
this will be an experiment. and the price is not so in the tow truck and pump do not need anything
the operator always sees what the car is consuming and how much.
no one will cheat in 10l canister ;_)
Any gas station is cheating you, more like no one will pour.
It is the specificity of this business.
In the USSR kvass buddy traded, and even then he had Zygouli!
And here it is — fuel!
All the same, one to one!
I can say for sure as the gas station employee when what I personally was poured into the top corner where the passport 43 l kind of got 47л car rolled much in the tank the rest is not known, underfilling to do was simple on the old columns a, digital just the same but there it cost to put a special column risk that it would not have caught the owners of the filling stations gas filling stations have personally seen a friend pressed the button and there is something not considered not remember what it stood shawl
Yes, I forgot in my Toyota on the arrow clearly includes +/- 1 liter. run all the time under the throat, passport 70hp fit 73-74л
artemspec
I once dry, though in adult life, 180 km / h in the left lane though...
I'm at 150 km/h on Gazelle, also in the left lane, well a Date went))). Well, the truth is not the only time.
Desktop Mercedes s500 w221 tank 90l, and real. But when refueling after clicked the gun comes exactly 15 liters. I check for underfill filling)
The gas station buys fuel in tons and sell in litres, at one density is not a bad thing to play and write off the loss. At +20 and +30 weight of 10 liters of fuel will be different. Roughly speaking 7.6 kg and 7.1 kg And the consumption of cars in litres is an indirect method of calculation. You can fill, tank full a day in hot weather and during the night, the volume will shrink.
Audi tt 8n 2000.
the tank is 55 L.
Dad decided, too, so in 2011, to check.
Filled 63 HP
So it is normal.
VAZ 2105 injector tank 40 liters, hits to the throat 43 kopecks. Little hard to believe, because there is a tank next to the pipe and hose is short and there XS. Since the author did not bother)))
Lada Largus is on fire the light bulb drove the 50-60 km, then at the gas station got ~65 litres on the neck
I will say one thing-when the gas station comes to work man, in a few years he can't walk but rides are not cheap cars.This is from observations of the neighborhoods of my district and the village where I live.What's in the tank longer climbs-well, it's the physics fault.
Always been interested in this question and that Gazpromneft, as always refuel there. Thank you for the work done.
Chom itself is a joke ), so I he works in the police...and at the pump Yak part time job, and it is not VIN TSE saying, and vodka))
KolAn-tUrbo
Each having worked at the gas station, they have Bula fsca one CCB FOB W 4 buttons h Bulo, and using the keychain can be Bulo calibrate to the gas station, the first button is pouring chesney, other is +-10l underfilling 1 l
the third underfill 1.5 l for 10 and fourth hold on - if the column begins to pour 1 liter and to write 3 years
Took it to the police, I hope?
Each having worked at the gas station, they have Bula fsca one CCB FOB W 4 buttons h Bulo, and using the keychain can be Bulo calibrate to the gas station, the first button is pouring chesney, other is +-10l underfilling 1 l
the third underfill 1.5 l for 10 and fourth hold on - if the column begins to pour 1 liter and to write 3 years
Eclipsedream
Here you do nothing.Where the act of calibration for the measuring canister?)))) I measured the water tank removed. Under the neck can not fill the absorber will come to an end.
Why would it? At the exit point of the pipe of the absorber from the tank should the float valve. While there is a backwater of the fluid channel is closed.
Honda civic tank 50L, from tanning bulbs before shooting a gun near 42л intermeddle. Always ask the gas attendant to fill up just before shooting a gun because firstly it is the recommendation of the plant (although I've never delved into the essence of why this is necessary) and the second to more accurately understand the average consumption of the car.
I have a habit when a new gas station to reset the counter km and calculate the average consumption and compare it with the Board. the comp.
Board the computer sometimes "lying" to 0.1 l at the average flow, and sometimes 1-1. 5 l is actually naturally not the computer is lying, and for different fueled cars)))
Once again, convinced that sadovody a separate caste of people not like the others. Respect for the experiment
I'll put my 5 cents. Was Renault Megan Scenic. The passport tank is 60 litres. The light still ride 50-60 kilometers. In fact, almost to zero. Refuel on Gazpromneft on Belneftekhim . Nirazu more than 54 liters got in. The conclusion is that you have in the Russian campaign Nai...ayut. We control harder. And for such cases we can shut up shop immediately and permanently.
Something like this in General
in the early 2000 -ies in Lukoylovskoy filling the canister with the measuring tank 5 liters dispenser clearly poured 4.5 liters))))
Sergey — Director of service of the Atlant-M turned out to be a very sympathetic person, and when I offered to do all this without money then agreed. Only pay for the tow) and then left rapid on the replacement glass for the money though with the discount
brother Polo sedan is the same tank. after the first cutoff, you can still fill +12L. the gun remains pressed valve in the neck and slowly fill up to the throat.
Pogotovu that the remaining fuel after a fire of a lamp — useless information. The lamp illuminates not volume, and reserve. Accordingly, the balance in the tank depends on fuel consumption: the greater the flow, the sooner will the lamp lights up.
I read. Understand that no one deliberately is cheating.
Gasoline fire and strictly by the meter.
The meter machines.
Sleep well.
a good argument "do not want") well, let everyone remains at the opinion, maybe someone will want to read who is interested, maybe someone will leave the rose-colored glasses, to each his own
So what? Even not want to read because they do not know any person who cheated or stole something.
And such failures were massively 15 -17
year. All this nonsense.
lamskiy71
I do not agree. What the fuck coupons?
If metro is pumping hundreds of millions of rubles a day, why they would give you the one to deceive? On the background of millions of billions who takes your rubles of profit seem?
There are failures, technical, lags, bugs, few there be mistakes?
Although I have never heard of it.
As well and large gas stations, they are there several times per shift make measurements! Check the density depending on weather conditions, on all kinds of formulas calculated values. Just that stop the column and the Adjuster called.
Specially not long ago himichat with the quantity and quality of fuel is not profitable.
And steal gasoline impossible, finally did.
Can steal only the drivers of the trucks, and then some.
Guys, times have changed, the Soviet times passed!
www.google.com/search?q=%...&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Already many times said that almost all the cars all the same way :)
The bulb lights up on the residual fuel ~8 liters, an average speed — about 100 km (approximately, because the flow rate can be different even on the same car!)
The same garbage obychno risks in min/max on the dipstick the engine oil from min to max — an average of ~1 liter
About the "loss" of fuel... IMHO, quite a lot is spent on evaporation. When I clean something with gasoline, poured it in an iron jar and it evaporates out quickly enough!
A test is interesting, Yes :)
It was a pleasure to read
Oh yeah :) the Nameplate capacity of a fuel tank, most likely, given WITHOUT consideration to the neck (and it is certainly still a couple of liters) and without taking into account the temperature (or rather, considering, but some kind of average, like 25 degrees Celsius)
BMW E34 passport 82л tank but never more than 80 to drive failed
the lamp lights for approximately 8-9
I've never gotten the machine to the state that ran out of gas. Once when she was 3 years in the garage, and I was not WOO, my father and one by one every 2 weeks warmed up the car. One day it would not start. Filled petrol, but to no avail. had to guess, started with a simple change of plugs.
I had the Internet to read about the fuel system. The pump is cooled only by the presence of gasoline. So it is not broken and to not get stuck in traffic, always drive with petrol above half tank and antifreeze in the trunk just in case.
Always refuel 10 liters, sometimes guess and gasoline poured just above the arrows on the device. Then arrow down and long everything.
Was that the flow of gasoline stopped before ordered 10 liters, I noticed it and returned the money to me. It is believed that if you ask to fill the car at a certain amount, for example 600 rubles then you will find it easier to cheat. So probably better to fill up to 10-20 litres...And if you go rarely, as I, the gasoline loses its properties of additives, in 2 weeks. Better for not to be lazy to fill.
urbanavichus
I friend the employee of gas station was talking about that it is better to fill small portions, and Yes round 10; 15 max 20
but it was a long time ago already
I recently instead of 10 litres, is not flushed, went to investigate, the money was returned. Lump sums are easier to verify.
max-vgorode
Norway went with the 10 liter canister in the trunk, route average speed 70, light came on, it was interesting how many will pass after the words "reserve 0", drove 110 km with the inscription "0" and the motor is not stalled (the nerves were a-jangle suddenly won't start then). Car Audi A5
The pump can overheat. the debris from the bottom of the tank to hurt. But it's good that it ended without repair.
Kia Optima.
Passport tank 70 L. the First gas station after leaving the salon — climbed 83 L.
I then took petisco from nezamerzayki 5L on which is written, drove to a gas station, what was my surprise when filling up to the neck, peteski, it is not got somewhere 200gr... it turns out in peteski nezamerzayki do not add 500лм low
I in the Tula region in the tank 65л. filled 82! A scandal, required by the authorities and the police, because he refused to pay. In the end, was sent to the side which went. But for a tank of gas and didn't pay. Gave and sent))).
Still inclined to cheating at the gas station. At the same gas station took years refueled to a full tank. Until one day I was in a tank not filled 30 litres 33 litres of petrol. Despite the fact that the light just started to blink, ie, about 5 liters at least still remained. My questions at the gas station shrugged, wrote a complaint to head office and called the hotline. If this fact could be attributed to the design of the car or the gas station, I would like the blonde began to hang the technical terms. And since they simply steal, no one to explain anything and did not.
Lancer 9 on gas. In summer, a +35 poured into 12 liters of gas greater than the volume of the cylinder.
Fill to the second click, i.e. first put the gun on "safety", then hold the button of the gun. The difference is a few liters. At our gas station has the inscription about what the counter shows correctly when air temperature is 20 degrees. The feelings in the tank less fit than the passport.
Dodge Spirit `89
60 liters tank. from the ignition light bulb is "low on fuel" not less than 70 km 5 (sometimes 4) gear at 2000-2200 rpm.
Work respect. But how can you calibrate something not calibrated to the standard. The second was necessary just to weigh the barrel before and after. Density tolive usually "jumps" in the 3rd snake after the decimal point that will very accurately measure the volume.
And the final is in manyh cylinders and other vessels, the liquid level shows the lower meniscus, as photo ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0...0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0) this is exactly 20ml