HBO, installation and operation - Toyota Land Cruiser, 4.5 L, 1996
The installation of the 2nd generation HBO was made, based on the experience of owning a VAZ 2131 car with HBO.
When the frosts began and it turned out that the system for regulating the carburetor and fuel supply, depending on the ambient temperature, did not function, we had to start a couple of times from the pusher, and the rest of the times on gas. Fortunately, the fuel switch control unit has a gas suction function.
Off-road driving in view of the excess engine power allows doing it on gas ... the consumption when fighting off-road in the summer was about 26 liters, taking into account the mileage on the highway to the place. Without a track, nuuuu probably 30 liters))))
When you walk along the highway when overtaking, you raise the speed closer to 3000 and it shoots almost the same way as on gasoline.
When I installed HBO, I had an interesting conversation.
I drove up to the adjustment, which means one man in a Mercedes with a 3-liter injection gasoline engine, a Mercedes with chrome bumpers, like a "penny" ... the year of manufacture is probably the 70th thread somewhere.
So a person owns a SIM Mercedes for 31 years (he took a couple of thousand hours with mileage in Germany), of which 16 years on gas. the mileage of the car at the time of the conversation was 790,000 km (when they decided to check the valves for preventive purposes, they turned out to be like factory ones!) ... that's the story)))
Price tag: 13 000 ₽
I do this too often, but if it's not hot outside or I need to go somewhere =)).
Self-service at gas stations in Germany! I filled it myself and went to pay.
But I have a float in the tank that monitors this, so I had to manipulate it a little! =)
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The equipment can also be Italian. But the fittings in the tank may not be theirs! Because and tank and fittings are sold separately. Italians can also produce "B" class valves for the Russian market! Therefore, it is better to check!
and one more thing: even though at all gas stations it is written that they fill 80% of the tank capacity, in spite of this everywhere and always almost everyone (including myself) is filled to full, that is, until a cutoff occurs at the time of pressure equalization
The equipment can also be Italian. But the fittings in the tank may not be theirs! Because and tank and fittings are sold separately. Italians can also produce "B" class valves for the Russian market! Therefore, it is better to check!
At the expense of the level indicator - this probably means a pressure gauge? Because to measure the level on gas ... it evaporates from the liquid state.
Well, I have an Italian HBO Lovato, it seems like there is a small pressure gauge on the cylinder ... from a maximum capacity of 65 liters, it gets into empty from 58 to 63 liters at different gas stations and at different times of the year.
Now I read the information for 2006 in the magazine "Za Rulem" 5/2006:
"You shouldn't waste time on trifles when choosing a multivalve - a shut-off device with a level indicator. In Europe, only class" A "is allowed - with a safety valve. Here (in Russia)" in the law "and class" B ", in which a 20% free volume serves as insurance (the cylinder is refueled at 80% of the maximum), but with automation it is still calmer."
How relevant it is now in Russia and what you have, I don't know!
The cylinder will not do anything with you when it is full!
He will simply release unnecessary pressure and that's it. There should be a special valve in the cylinder.
And even then this can only happen in a very hot summer! These cylinders can withstand up to 30 atmospheres and are made of 3mm metal!
I always refuel to full ... I just try to drive around at once 10 percent of the volume, so that there is room for evaporation when the car is parked - this is how they taught me
gas cylinder is not so easy to damage ... you have to get an unrealistically strong blow in the ass ... well, just NOT real! the only danger is a clumsy installer of equipment (the hoses are badly twisted, they are missing something somewhere ... etc.) Well, in the summer, refuellers will still get drunk, then they can fill a balloon by 90-95 percent, then it will make you an astronaut = )
The question remains open why in our country HBO is not so actively promoted. Itself personally, every day on Novoryazanka I pass gas stations Propane-Bhutan, etc. and almost no people, only occasionally minibuses. It is necessary to move ideas to the masses.
Any ideas for protecting the balloon? All the same, whatever you may say - a combat vehicle, and off-road terrain is a pretty cool thing.
the balloon for 65 liters, for 100 liters it was necessary to crumple, the length did not pass by 5 cm, and the diameter of the same
balloon weighs much higher than the bridge and is close enough to the bridge in the horizontal surface - this was all specially taken into account for lack of soil ... Samara has a lot of gas filling stations ... a lot of Niv drives with cylinders under the ass, the VAZ 2131 itself had the same bottle under the ass and nothing, the flight is normal
it makes sense to cover it with a sheet, in my opinion, when there is a real danger of damage, if the operation takes place in appropriate conditions ...
But in the forest , you wo n't touch my cylinder, and if a light suspension lift, so finally it's lovely)))
Eh Japs! deprived the Russian extreme of the main fun: pulled out the suction, got out of the car and push-pull yourself to your health =).).)
well, yes ... depending on the temperature, different revolutions during warming up and, accordingly, it resets itself when warmed up
Well, for convenience) is there a magnetic carb, probably? tea without sucking under the wheel ...
yes, that generation, where you switch everything with your fingers ... I have a carburetor, why do I need electronics in the car ?!
This is how I understood that generation with fingers =) perevechaesh from gas to gasoline ... or is it already with brains, he does everything like an injector (starts on gasoline, and then how to warm up to gas translates)?
and where did you put your balloon? ... I would take pictures, interesting.
A lot of information on the Toyota forum: about everything and everything. : 0)
we have the same car, with a 90 liter cylinder, 75 from the bottom is useful.
consumption this (very cold and snowy winter) up to 25 liters of gas.
city ​​track in half.
Thank you for writing about the carburetor, for a long time I was tormented by the thought of why it started so badly on gasoline!
successful flight!
I don't remember whether he answered or not.
Balon in the same place where you have. I'll wash, take a picture, I'll post pictures.
refuel without problems 80 liters, if you wait a long time until about 85 intermeddle.
Now the consumption is 22 liters, and somehow it does not change very much from the regime and driving style.
xs what is wrong. I bought Bosch candles for gas, I will install it, I’ll go to B.Zh.
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so he probably has an injector and then the 4th generation of HBO: drilling into each cylinder, his own "brains", but the consumption is one to one without loss of power
An interesting experience with a mileage of 790 thousand. And they say that supposedly on the contrary, gas wears out more! Lying!
Well, since the 4th generation, then it itself switches from one type of fuel when warming up to another - this achieves the formation of the necessary oxide film (as I understand it). Well, after every thousand km on gas, ride a benzene for 100 kilometers.
I SUPPLIED GAS 4 GENERATION ITSELF - NOW SHAKE BY THE VALVE. OPERATING EXPERIENCE ON GAS NO-DISCOVER MY DOUBT ...
When I come to MOT, they put a sensor in the exhaust pipe and rebuild it in two modes: at idle and at 3000 rpm
and on the second generation is it needed? I thought only on the fourth where for each pot there is a nozzle and an automatic switch. I want something elementary I turned it on myself, turned it off, or is there also something to flash and configure?
Try to look at the installation process on some thread of the gbo-shnom site ... there are a couple of valves to power up everything, but how you will configure without a special computer program - xs.
The second generation is interesting, but where do I connect about the wires? I want to buy it myself, because installation is more expensive than equipment.
It is also called a burner, it supplies gas from above to the carburetor along with air. I can't decide, I don't really want to put this mixer, it turns out collectively with it. Here you have a beautifully connected gas to the carb, only for me it is not clear where it is connected there))
Well, if it's not difficult, that is, it turns out the same as with the mixer, which is placed on top of the carburetor?
This fitting is the idle speed adjustment on the gas supply hose, and so the gas is supplied to the air line and this mixture of air and gas goes to the carburetor. I can take a picture tomorrow in more detail ...
It does not backlash, but I think the trouble is with the vacuum. The previous owner confused everything. How not to plug does not work normally (((
But here's the question. If the gas comes with air, then the carburetor turns out to play only the role of a damper and that's it.
Well, first deal with benzene, and then regulate the gas. By the way, does the throttle shaft on the carb not play?
I am in Armenia and there is a problem with propane. And benz when you press the gas, at first the failure is not big and then everything is ok And the carburetor is not available to disassemble hmmmm
Hey. If all the standards are on the benz, then you need to pester the gas workers so that they regulate the exhaust at 3000 rpm.
Hello people. Today I put the 2nd generation HBO on the TLK 80 carburetor with a snorkel. And then the trouble. When you switch, for example, from 4th to 5th gear, the speed drops quickly and the engine stalls.
Has anyone ever had this and what ideas are there?
Thanks in advance for the answer :)