Extension turn signal (quality indicator). Version of Scooter-Veteran
In the subject Extension cable for led turn signal priors
asked, and suitable for Viburnum is?
Of course there is no need to modify slightly the scheme. Either on the relay or on the field of P-channel transistors (not very important)
The author of the project Stepan Pavlovich, CAMOKAT-BETEPAHA. A note here: umat.ru/2013/03/02/turnex/
(not available yet, I think because the website is under reconstruction)
Here is a nice version from Oleg Mail1977, and the theme Extension twists for systems running on ordinary relays, the circuit breaker turns.
Lately then do that "poweruserstm" do. Would collect and relay, but I wanted something changed to collect.
Assembly
Scheme was the following. Everything is similar to the extension of priors, only n-channel FETs 2n7002 run for p-channel powerful IRFR5305. (Options: Rds=65mOm, Id=31A)
From the old scheme there was the SPS (thanks button), ZHOD (reverse — when driving backwards, turns on hazard lights). And we also added COM. This is the output from the relay interrupter of turns.
Drew printed circuit Board. Got a 9 wires. If some functions are not needed, just can not connect these wires.
Observation will notice that the diagram of one transistor with resistors and PCB — other at all. Let me explain. Not necessarily adhere to those values.
As I understand it, that
with n-channel (p-channel) field effect transistors (e.g., 2n7002) to the gate to put a resistor between 20 and 100 Ohms (can be higher). This is done in order to limit the charging current of the gate capacitance, so as not to burn the output MK.
— gate pull up resistor to the minus (or +12V, if for p-channel) of a nominal value of 10kω and above, up to 100kω.
for n-p-n bipolar transistors (supposedly equivalent n-channel), the base to put a resistor of 1.5 kOhm at +5V.
base pull up resistor to minus the value from 10kω to 100kω.
Here I was useful to read about FETs: easyelectronics.ru/upravl...yannogo-toka-chast-3.html
At the entrance is a suppressor on 18V. Reverse-polarity-diode is the 1n4148.
Power microcontroller assembled on the parametric stabilizer. (R1 + VD1)
As the Zener diode VD1 it is possible to use any low-power voltage 4.7 V or 5.1 V.
For example, BZV55C4V7, BZV55C5V1 (MiniMELF case)
The lines IN L, IN R limiting resistors R2,R3 can take the value from 270 to 470 Ohms.
Tantalum capacitor can be rented from 4.7 UF X 10V (16V), and higher even up to 100µf.
soldered cost. The low-power transistors BC817 here.
Turn signal extension cable, for those who still do not know (perhaps there are)
1) Serves for the convenience of the turn signals. If short to close the stalk switch and release immediately, the unit automatically keeps closed "switch turns" a certain amount of time (the author has provided a delay of 1
seconds to 10 seconds — set button).
2) There is a cancel mode turn signal, it is enough to close during stalk elongation in the opposite direction briefly.
3) added the function of "thank you." In case of short-circuit separately installed button on minus is the operation of the alarm system the same number of times as triggered by the lengthening (implemented with two diodes)
4) added the function of "hazard lights when reversing the speed." If include back speed, begins immediately flash hazard lights as long as the back does not turn off. (implemented in n-channel field transistor + a few resistors and a few diodes)
Tried to sign the conclusions, but I'm apparently not poluchilosj
Health check device
For health collected from relay interrupters turns and three parallel connected lamps that is the miracle.
Three lamps required to comply with the load on one side Provotorov.
The scheme is as follows.
1) When closing the key S1 or S2 (that we have simulated a short stalk turns) for a short time
comes testing the extension in time. With the default settings I came up with about 6 extensions.
2) if long-term hold clamped one of the keys, it works rotate normally until you release the stalk.
3) If you zamknuty key S3 and release, simulated the work of the thanks button. Admarginem 6 five times and vyklyuchaetsya both sides of the turns, i.e. hazard lights otmachivat.
4) If you hold down S4 on +12V and keep, will operate hazard lights until you turn off the switch. Checks the operation of the alarm system when reversing the speed.
Setting the number of turns of the lengthening
Before switching on indicator hold down the button on the Board and hold. Turn on the turn signal, we consider the number of flashes, turn off the indicator and press the settings button.
Device connectivity
Connecting the device is done near the steering column under the plastic cover. The connection is done to break the wires that go to the left and right sides of peregruzhatelja.
From the rear side of the small radiator to cool the transistors on the hot-melt planted in the heat, everything is seated.
IN L — entrance from the paddle. left side
IN R — entrance from the paddle. the right side
OUT L output indicator / multifunction switch. left side
OUT R — out with the paddle. the right side
+12V — the power
GND — negative (body of car)
ZHOD — output to connect to the reversing lamp. On this wire when the reverse gear is engaged, you receive +12V for the duration of the movement backwards
SPS — thanks button. Connects to a separately installed anywhere push buttons. The second contact button to connect to the minus (to the car)
COM — from relay interrupter of turns.
For ease of connection so as not to cut the wires turn signal / multifunction switch has done the terminals.
The connection is done as follows. In the last stalk pulls out 3 terminals, the two outer and tsentralnuyu switch.
Photo pin assignment (left to right):
1) black and brown wire (mom and dad) — is designed to connect the center pin grounded. Ie take out the Central pad (the color is kind of blue with an orange stripe), and its connection to the Pope (brown), and place it the black wire to the pad installed
2) white — blue (mom-dad left) — is designed to connect the left contact is grounded. (the blue wire in the connector grounded)
3) white — blue (mother-father in law) — intended for connection to the right contact is grounded. (blue with black Poloshirt in block grounded)
4) white. ass.move to connect to the reversing lamp
5) white. thank you — for connecting the thanks button. Elevations in any place set flow button. With the closure of this button on minus hazard lights works off blinking 3 times
6) red and black is respectively powered by the ignition. Wire length is sufficient.
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You need a diagram how to connect to the Kalina maybe later will connect.
If there are willing to check the work, ask in private messages.
As always, good luck to everyone ))
How to say...
Managed a minus, but commutes +. On Viburnum, Grants, and other vases in addition to front-wheel drive suitable priors on UAZ too good.
Only need to connect those wires that go to potelefonu, cut, and get into the gap. the current middle contact to make SOM, but instead of doing a minus.
Alex-Obukhov
point the SDA can announce?
7.1. Emergency alarm must be enabled:
— when a traffic accident;
— emergency stop in places where stopping is prohibited;
— if blinding of the driver by headlights;
— when towing (towed motor vehicle);
— when boarding children in a vehicle with markings of "Transportation of children"
1 pdd.by/pdd/ru/p8/
2 www.pdd24.com/pdd/pdd7
Long ago, in the second novel. No culture. Of course to a lesser extent, but what that SPb is as a separate state, nothing to do with the rest of Russia
Within a week we'll go to Peter. Look at the driving culture in the cultural capital of Russia :)
It is not free interpretation.
Reversing is dangerous due to limited visibility.
""Danger to movement" — the situation arising in the course of traffic at which movement continuation in the same direction and with the same speed creates threat for occurrence of traffic accidents."
How many rear bumpers out for this hit!
Often in Russia. Most of all in Moscow. Somehow did not notice extraneous blinking emergency gang. Yes, the culture of driving significantly lower than in Belarus and Europe. But African countries you far away.
Worst of all, in the minds of the weak understanding and respect for other participants.
Stupidity is toning optics, installation of filters and bulbs are not traffic rules (red, blue, etc the size front).
What is the coolest driver? Not cool with forward, not cool hovering car low on sleep, not cool with the loud music, they're not the fastest. The driver is cool, by which you have traveled and have not experienced discomfort.
Who do you want to carry yourself?
Understood. Belarus...
It's already free interpretation. Reversing this is a common maneuver: missed everyone and everything and move. But the danger is when you stand in the wrong place. And we include all and Sundry, and when it is not necessary. The road flickers as umopomracheniya. At some point just not paying attention. And sometimes maybe the tractor bucket to swing on the side. And you have just the eyes no longer react — are used all blinking and flashing yellow beacons do not pay attention.
At the entrance to Finland on the border of the big announcement, on how to use the hazard lights and foglights.
And in most cases it is only more of a hazard will create. For example when Parking. A week ago I'm such an idiot tried to pass. There he crawls back and forth, you can see only the left turn signal. Think leaves, give miss, person, and so difficult from the narrowness to get...
1 for the SDA Belarus :
52. The emergency lights are recommended in case of movement
the vehicle is in reverse.
2 in the traffic rules of the Russian Federation (had to read 7.1 to the end):
7.1 ...
The driver should turn on the alarm system and in other cases to prevent
participants of movement about danger, which can create the vehicle.
The movement of the engaging speed is dangerous. In addition to the alarm system truck drivers have to honk the horn before driving in reverse.
point the SDA can announce?
7.1. Emergency alarm must be enabled:
— when a traffic accident;
— emergency stop in places where stopping is prohibited;
— if blinding of the driver by headlights;
— when towing (towed motor vehicle);
— when boarding children in a vehicle with markings of "Transportation of children"
Alex-Obukhov
"hazard lights when reversing speed"
But why the heck is it for? And so half of the people should be sent back to driving school to learn to use external light devices...
SDA is recommended to turn on the hazard lights when reversing.
What for it generally to include in this case? We the people of her cut in the case and without the case and just when parked. Why?
however, a very handy feature (especially in cases when the buttons are inconveniently located for example on the steering column)
"hazard lights when reversing speed"
But why the heck is it for? And so half of the people should be sent back to driving school to learn to use external light devices...
in General, must be suitable
we should have a scheme shaktishastry on your car to find and look.
himiks
Yes, I'm talking about Oleg's extension mean
www.drive2.ru/l/4579068/
VAS, and the firmware remains the same as on the Prior?
What, for example? For me, it is more functional to put you and Oleg electronic relay, that's really the thing
Serg73ua
"There!
A lot of useful improvements.A very necessary and functional.
And how Wake up the mustache disappears.
This is such garbage malyata"
Ha :):):)
Well, I have done things not in the car.So the point here is to show.That is all coming by the way of simplification that would sell crafts.I want to make a unit that would run all at once.It all leads grounded and out.And manage it all at once.turns light wipers.Auto Immo in it.In General, dispersed to do everything at once in one box.
Oleg, you have actually a lot of interesting ideas implemented.
Imagine how many ideas ready to DIY done but not posted for all to see
himiks
It is necessary during sleep to record ideas on paper )))
She, too, disappears as I Wake up.In General, the idea is the most urgent problem.
The validation scheme is we are lazy people.
It's better just to do normal than a thousand times to run around and tempt fate.
Thank you.
Just there are questions, like: "And can I have the condenser on 4.7 UF and 10uf?"
"what if I take a resistor with a nominal value different from that?"
but a pattern validation is useful, not necessary in the car to run and roam with the wires. It was such a thing took place
Made well one of the options the turn signals.
And all describe what and where to put detail.
Anyone should see.
the all-round development and interest )
another would be the application useful to find these ideas
There is a bike.
One of the great scientist decided to test the effect of drugs and how they impact on research.
Three times in the intoxication came to him a brilliant idea.
And when they departed after that, they were forgotten.
The fourth time, he still recorded on paper idea .
In the morning, unfolded and read:
"The banana is great but the skin of it more."
"There!
A lot of useful improvements.A very necessary and functional.
And how Wake up the mustache disappears.
This is such garbage malyata"
Yeah, I'm DriveWare estimal also did ten years ago in high school (the Horror of a nightmare, how many years have passed), and now has become lazy. On WordPress with ceemas not have to suffer and to split hairs and three gigabytes for free with almost no ads. But for. Business of course have something decent. Although I would draft still did)))
before carrying on, doing the website in html. on апачи2.XX "raised" in the intranet (a closed corporate grid), laid out useful information for work.
Saito-builders mainly in php write
he had at least a rough draft of the website at least for WordPress to make, fast and good.
and Toi links that I pointed out there is a thanks button separately. Poluchaetsya through the circuit from the left and right direction?
well, here it is necessary to simultaneously and left side and right closed briefly, it is necessary to think about how to build on one button
true.
elongation 3 times.
there thanks made 2 and blink. It is necessary that the button of the alarm system should switch on and off
hazard lights when reversing the speed is enabled after 3 (or 6 seconds)
there are a bunch of options that I could try to Kalina
connection of the button of the alarm system, bolted to a regular posting www.drive2.ru/l/829731/
— similar to the connection + the flashing hazard lights when driving backwards after 6 econd www.drive2.ru/l/4579068/
that record is also good, only the connection is different, in a break with razresheniem wiring, and a small rework
— This device is now installed with many settings www.drive2.ru/b/2142569/
the standard relay is removed, the wiring is a little redesigns.
edvit
In the schema the error in the error. Well, solhotel You something. Even post it. But why put all the source code and docks to repeat Your mistakes other people? Maybe before something "design" and offer to repeat others worth exploring ISO 7637. Well, at least to read for leisure, do not be lazy.
And met two luminaries...
Audi 100 1986 release. hopefully still alive and happy owner. the Germans were able to do.
vasilii76
radio RF interference in the network is very good leads ). try an oscilloscope to see what's going on when she transfer works
Was long me (cigar). Undertook not new. So because the Chinese the high voltage wires with nearly zero resistance (which the previous owner there vkolotil) burned electronic control unit XX. The link can explain? And it is. Insulated VV wires, everything was in order.
and here a few kilowatts. close proximity, sorry for taftalogiyu, gives a good obstacle
nothing particularly dumb. the interference power is weak. or do you have the transmitter on a few kilowatts?
radio RF interference in the network is very good leads ). try an oscilloscope to see what's going on when she transfer works
just an account made by my diagrams of the devices in the thousands. and it's all now riding on your Russia on the car. Experience. You are in luck. While you're ahead. And the radio is not jamming for the battery. Here air conditioning — Yes.
why, then, such loud statements about slabotochka? )
and what to want. I have several years of use. and a lot of other people use.
I have, incidentally, standing next to a CB-radio. awesome jamming ).
it very much will depend on the brand of car, condition of wiring, bundling, stacking harnesses. one like maybe 10 years out, and the other on the first day suddenly die. want to take the risk?
edvit
no offense. the whole scheme — sposhnoy error. System power - off, input protection is wide, output protection against short circuit — no protective Zener diodes in the gates of the output transistors — no. ISO 7637, to begin with, Karl. Read, think, then do. Your circuit will burn any little bit of serious interference (emission) to the battery. And believe me, the emissions are there. I would have scored on Your post, do you have another charger for your smartphone. But the turn signals. And it must work reliably.
there is a clear certainty that will burn?
himiks
practical implementation how do You see the scheme of the device is not difficult to draw?
GOST only gives the theory, read it to correct errors is not possible
And Yes, after thinking a bit... Counter-question: why was it necessary to go into the power circuits of the lamp control the turn signals? Well it worked briefly turn signal / multifunction lever, for example "left". Do you see this situation percent, well and hold a contact signal from podrulevye on regular turns the relay in this position for another 3-6 margow (how much you want to get). Well and further in the text... So even though I would sit in the low-current signals, and any interference in the normal wiring is not necessary. If you did an analysis on a blown bulb or short circuit in the turn signal, Yes. And so...
Reading the GOST mistakes not to do well or to try not to do. And fix — Yes, impossible. I did once such a device. Well, it's not about me... Look at the chip VND600. Funniest Datasheet for Your task. In short, it will be interesting. Good luck.
practical implementation how do You see the scheme of the device is not difficult to draw?
GOST only gives the theory, read it to correct errors is not possible
no offense. the whole scheme — sposhnoy error. System power - off, input protection is wide, output protection against short circuit — no protective Zener diodes in the gates of the output transistors — no. ISO 7637, to begin with, Karl. Read, think, then do. Your circuit will burn any little bit of serious interference (emission) to the battery. And believe me, the emissions are there. I would have scored on Your post, do you have another charger for your smartphone. But the turn signals. And it must work reliably.
In the schema the error in the error. Well, solhotel You something. Even post it. But why put all the source code and docks to repeat Your mistakes other people? Maybe before something "design" and offer to repeat others worth exploring ISO 7637. Well, at least to read for leisure, do not be lazy.
it's not that. it is better to make salutation to optitron on the mark 2 when the ignition is on, like a Subaru
stas-barulin
and the video is what it is and how it works can?
there is a video there www.drive2.ru/l/1235466/
A good thing of course.
in penny stalk as far as it is known rigidly fixed either to the left or right.
there's unlikely to happen this
When ignashka is placed on guard, with the alarm unit powered on turn signals in each direction. Ie installers just bolted to the left and right side turns in one direction to the lamps.
The extension of the turns is controlled by the paddle. When arming stalk switch is not touched, and therefore no interaction there is no extra.
Everything will remain as before
I ask, when arming a single flash, when removing the two. As a polite indicator will not work?
Hello.
Your invention for sale?
I would like to 2107, Kalina paddle.
While arming/disarming turn signals rebate will not?
With respect to any work, the author made the effort and got the finished version. I would like to add the following: I would be interested in a device that would throw away the locking paddle and a very handy feature turn Off in the same direction where included. ie, a short press down = number of blinks, clicking more than 0.5 (for example) seconds = turn on, off short press in ANY direction! Crooked painted of course, but a similar scheme is used in Opel Astra H, fond memories from the turn signal switch...
Everything works fine, set yourself спринтер100. Lantaka, thank you all irfr5305 a little warm in the process. Wired it under the steering column, without unnecessary snot. Khimiks, thanks for the idea!
properly collected works.
the connection described, the standard relay is removed as superfluous
Not that terrible, I ralushai too tired, then gathered ralescu but for some reason I started clicking and podmargivat immobilizer.
sorry, misled
confused with another device (which is now installed smart extender turns)
relay remains and performs its function
In a sense, the standard relay is removed? That is, the relay which is in the block removed
April75
All kind time of day. Please tell me which fuses to set, direct, or inverse? Programmer USB AVR ISP (voron.ua/catalog/019422) p. O. SinaProg. One controller is already laid, as you do not want. Thanks in advance.
P. S. Pribluda already collected and even stitched left to expose the fuses. And while lying on the shelf with the factory, (work, works but blinks very often) :(
But frequency is probably 8 times too high.
6A will change to 7 and change f'yuz SKDIV. (Start up with system clock divided by 8)
It is not possible to exhibit 7H for attiny 13.
You incorrectly wrote. The author stands for this DIY fuses 7A FF
April75
All kind time of day. Please tell me which fuses to set, direct, or inverse? Programmer USB AVR ISP (voron.ua/catalog/019422) p. O. SinaProg. One controller is already laid, as you do not want. Thanks in advance.
P. S. Pribluda already collected and even stitched left to expose the fuses. And while lying on the shelf with the factory, (work, works but blinks very often) :(
7A
FF
himiks
Put the fuses byte, then can not go wrong.
Where is the link to the firmware from some articles. There and the fuses must be specified
Besides PoniProg puts the inverse, if I understand correctly...
I use snapragon.
There is a tab for the placing of fuses. The default is 6A FF.
And it is necessary to exhibit 7A FF. Changing only the number
Yes, there are fuses specified, but PoniProg. And on my laptop and with my programmer it doesn't work. So I used Sinaprog
Put the fuses byte, then can not go wrong.
Where is the link to the firmware from some articles. There and the fuses must be specified
All kind time of day. Please tell me which fuses to set, direct, or inverse? Programmer USB AVR ISP (voron.ua/catalog/019422) p. O. SinaProg. One controller is already laid, as you do not want. Thanks in advance.
P. S. Pribluda already collected and even stitched left to expose the fuses. And while lying on the shelf with the factory, (work, works but blinks very often) :(