Tips for beginners – time pereobuvki – choose between studded and not studded tires + expert advice
Greetings all : ) the cold came, and one and all went to change tires and a large part of the gain change under this operation some new tires and many the question arises – what to take? Studded or non-studded?
A year ago I posted on Your court interview with Sasha Andreadi, who is the Creator of the network of tire Meteor-24 (talked about the choice of rubber, storage, replacement and not only) and then just dismantled the moment of choice between these types of rubber and their relevance in a metropolis, then here is a quote from Sasha:
"Tire friction, non-studded is suitable mainly for people who live in Metropolitan areas, where snow no ice and the roads are clean. Studded tires in the first suit motorists who are involved in some Amateur competitions, such comrades become more and more. The second segment is people living in the country who drives on country roads, where ever the snow and ice, there is a risk of getting stuck)
Studded tires have a lot of advantages from the point of view of the Circlip, stock and so on. This option is preferred by people safe who for one snow day (if we talk about living in the city) are willing to endure noise, increased fuel consumption and so on.
When we go every day on the studded tires, the spike polished. Accordingly, it loses its original shape and its characteristics are affected. Plus spike recessed into the tread. One caveat — the higher the speed that we are developing on a solid surface, the stronger it gets. Accordingly, over time he begins a little to correct their planting hole and then falls out.
Studded tires a little swim It has less precise control. Of course studless tire like to drive every day. They can be recommended for those who love active driving and lives in the city. Who wants the cold asphalt, his car was well managed.
But intermediate is just the friction, non-studded tyres Nordic type. Modern models are very good. Often you can find trade-offs, which will be good in moderation and on asphalt and on ice that had not previously been available. There is never anything perfect, but nonetheless.
Friends, I hope this quote from our interview with Sasha Meteor-24 Andreadi (eventually took some more of the quotes from a recent interview on the topic of camber) will help You make the right choice, and now I will be glad to hear Your experience on this issue – studding studding or not? Final advice lay traditionally in the VC group Top Drive, and here is the more than 40 previous releases in sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47.
Sincerely, Enileev Alan.
I'm on ST with great pleasure two seasons skated on Nokian Hakkapelitta R! And the snow and ice, and the track, and even in Ukraine it winter in these wilds stopped by and everything is OK! On dry asphalt is also OK. And in the mess very confident feeling.
Well over 150 in General in winter roads better not to go, so very good rubber. I think the updated model is not worse.
And a very good continental contivikingcontact 5 is also a very decent rubber.
And speaking of vibe the type of rubber, then, in my opinion, very much depend on the region of residence.
Always ride on frictioned both in the city and on the highway, good on the pavement and in the snow!
Second season riding on Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V1 — no words, gorgeous stickers! Someone above wrote that its main problem, like all other members of the "sticky" class starting on ice, but depending on my "submarine" rubber width 285 mm — for the whole winter slip was no more than a second, and then starting up the hill...
Given the fact that we in the far North, often riding not on the ice and compacted snow on the Velcro I feel still more confident...
alan-enileev
Yes, but there they are huge and go on the asphalt, and unforgettable experience : )
Well, you lot where taxiing )) as record Slyunkov flow)) by such I did not go even )))
alan-enileev
Yes, but there they are huge and go on the asphalt, and unforgettable experience : )
You should be in Russian top gear )))
The first season of ride Velcro Bridgestone VRX Blizzak 215/55 R17. On the pavement the handling is great, seems even better than summer continental hotel. Tires are not noisy. While snow and ice it was not possible to try it, but winter is not far off)) the Past three winters used spikes Nordman 4 225/50 R17. Two season off 80% spikes. Decided to change it, though, and the tread is still normal. Feature studded rubber she no longer performs. Outstanding performance it did not show not on ice, not on snow, with aquaplaning is also handled by 3 points))
PS good luck on the roads )
Interesting comments from across the country. Immediately visible regional features in the choice of rubber. He ceased to travel extensively, almost all the time in the city, because while Riccione (Chinese triangle, like the joint creation gudera, very similar to what is in the pictures). Would be great runs behind the town, then definitely opting my boot. In the far East on the coast you never know what awaits you after 100 miles, -20 or storm with temperatures around -5 and a mirror on the road.
paran01k
The pavement kill the trucks with a weight of 8+ ton per axle, based on the road surface (in the city) projected rate of 6 ton per axle . For the General development I recommend reading the law on studded tires EU countries and nokian c faceplate 8 managed to put over 200 studs (16 diameter) at a rate of about 130.
I don't live in the EU, there the laws don't read) I drive on the streets of Novosibirsk, where is prohibited the movement of trucks including the left rows of track width for cars grazed on 1-2 layers of asphalt. Dam dimitrovskoe bridge, left lane. St. Sunrise on the ascent the left lane, a lot of narrow streets where trucks cannot go, especially on a climb or after a light track with worn spikes from the asphalt. Visible previous layers stacking.
From the trucks the other track and scrapped, there is forced or just knock out of the pit. From studded track "beautiful" — just stripped the asphalt evenly stretching all the way from the traffic lights the deepest parts. Come show )
AndyAstra
Cars in cities became much, and the spikes kill the surface of the road surface ((. Moved to Linden, satisfied!
The pavement kill the trucks with a weight of 8+ ton per axle, based on the road surface (in the city) projected rate of 6 ton per axle . For the General development I recommend reading the law on studded tires EU countries and nokian c faceplate 8 managed to put over 200 studs (16 diameter) at a rate of about 130.
Cars in cities became much, and the spikes kill the surface of the road surface ((. Moved to Linden, satisfied!
alan-enileev
this is exactly remember when I first took Saab and bought him studded tires — according to friends who went with me on the road — and it was evident that in turns sparks fly, and with them, the spikes probably why this is necessary :)))
continental on one of the models of ship was splicing.
Here, only the inclusion of all-wheel drive, piece of work the gas pedal and hope for luck.
I'm about as crap last year going small, but the multi-story "nest" where I "drove" a garbage truck(couldn't get past).
The result:
On the upswing, Tahoe was turning dangerously close to the crowded cars.
Tried to break the all-wheel drive across the lawn and hung(plate under the snow).
2 hours of mats from living in the yard...
As luck would have it, shovels are not.
Son brought a shovel and millimeters on the reverse I "leaked" from the yard...
And seeing your snow-covered lane width at the widest point is 4.5 meters(in the narrowest point of 3.20) glad I don't live in an apartment building(but it is, by the way)
Holman
For me personally no alternative — only studded, no way!
IMHO.
On front-wheel drive(like it or not, peredneprivodnyh more sustainable) is possible and frictions (like the Velcro) on the back(talking about heavy, off-road — only spikes).
Of course, on our region(and to repeat, the SUV(although I think it applies to other cars)
The advantages of "spikes"
What a wonderful "Velcro" was not to drive in icy climb or down a hill with a decent incline Velcro complicated.
It's not about that "spin"(here is more dependent on the skill of the driver, a reasonable "fear" and of course, luck), talking about the fact that for example in the pocket at the incorrect work gas possible demolition of the car.
Well if no one is around(or You have a "toy" type "Smarta").
But if something like my Tahoe, a small rotation of which about its axis can cover almost a whole page(even if the full drive(you know it)?
But if You in heavy traffic?
Or yard multi-storey "nest"?
"Dispute" with the owner of the affected car You provided!
Damn, and how sometimes it turns the vehicles with Velcro closure, on winter roads, the departures from the bushes, and crafts ( and even on normal roads without coverage, which lack in Siberia!), what road, city, for example Tomsk
-What brilliant mirror-like "tongues" of ice, sometimes stretching from public transport stops, on hills and descents and stupid on the roadway!
And the behavior of the "Velcro" when one side is on ice, the other on dry pavement?
You can write a lot and, in principle, the choice of winter tires, as the choice of oil, religion(and "sexual orientation").
When to put on winter tires?
We at the first frost(late September)
When to remove -the beginning of June(of course talking about Tomsk, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo region).
About the noise studded tires
Acceptable.
But I judge from his point of view, the point of view of a person's life spent in the noise and lost his hearing at least 20 percent.
Well, not the noise "fufelnye" studded tires louder pump PPD(or torch in the Vankor), not rumbles louder than our broken-down shift the Car on winter roads!
The music is louder and all!
About asphalt and spikes.
Sinner, I confess!
Last summer Nissan-Cefiro the Car (fast enough car) drove on the "spikes"(preparing to sell this in my opinion, the best car in the world "putter").
No stocks in handling't noticed, the only thing not "rischel" as before(for example 250 km for 1.45), and of course tailgating, at the slightest suspicion that the car begins to "float" stopped and "allowed to cool".
I think is familiar to many, especially those who owned freight Cars and loaded them to stop) — when heating the tires in the summer on dry pavement, the car begins to pull like on the ice.
Oddly enough, over the summer when mileage 7000 lost only 3 of the spike
Even though it sounds strange, "ability" to drive on winter tires in the summer in Siberia is a necessity.
Put the rubber in the beginning of April and in mid-may will be the ice chorus "lovers summer rubber"(and autumn too).
Summary of sunlove.
"Riders" love to resucity and are not able to live without it you need to approach the choice of tyres very responsibility.
"The peasants"(everyone else) — wear what you like(well, I can give tips for example, living in Moscow or St. Petersburg?), but don't forget about reasonable care not resucita — it is winter, damn it!
Although would love to try the much-vaunted bus with the "glass"(if it was "extra" money)
When I deployed in the bump pickup (Ford ranger) on thorns, on the road on the rise ( 4vd as I understand it was off, went frost and with the slip of the machine turned 90 degrees). In such a situation to protect yourself?
Holman
For me personally no alternative — only studded, no way!
IMHO.
On front-wheel drive(like it or not, peredneprivodnyh more sustainable) is possible and frictions (like the Velcro) on the back(talking about heavy, off-road — only spikes).
Of course, on our region(and to repeat, the SUV(although I think it applies to other cars)
The advantages of "spikes"
What a wonderful "Velcro" was not to drive in icy climb or down a hill with a decent incline Velcro complicated.
It's not about that "spin"(here is more dependent on the skill of the driver, a reasonable "fear" and of course, luck), talking about the fact that for example in the pocket at the incorrect work gas possible demolition of the car.
Well if no one is around(or You have a "toy" type "Smarta").
But if something like my Tahoe, a small rotation of which about its axis can cover almost a whole page(even if the full drive(you know it)?
But if You in heavy traffic?
Or yard multi-storey "nest"?
"Dispute" with the owner of the affected car You provided!
Damn, and how sometimes it turns the vehicles with Velcro closure, on winter roads, the departures from the bushes, and crafts ( and even on normal roads without coverage, which lack in Siberia!), what road, city, for example Tomsk
-What brilliant mirror-like "tongues" of ice, sometimes stretching from public transport stops, on hills and descents and stupid on the roadway!
And the behavior of the "Velcro" when one side is on ice, the other on dry pavement?
You can write a lot and, in principle, the choice of winter tires, as the choice of oil, religion(and "sexual orientation").
When to put on winter tires?
We at the first frost(late September)
When to remove -the beginning of June(of course talking about Tomsk, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo region).
About the noise studded tires
Acceptable.
But I judge from his point of view, the point of view of a person's life spent in the noise and lost his hearing at least 20 percent.
Well, not the noise "fufelnye" studded tires louder pump PPD(or torch in the Vankor), not rumbles louder than our broken-down shift the Car on winter roads!
The music is louder and all!
About asphalt and spikes.
Sinner, I confess!
Last summer Nissan-Cefiro the Car (fast enough car) drove on the "spikes"(preparing to sell this in my opinion, the best car in the world "putter").
No stocks in handling't noticed, the only thing not "rischel" as before(for example 250 km for 1.45), and of course tailgating, at the slightest suspicion that the car begins to "float" stopped and "allowed to cool".
I think is familiar to many, especially those who owned freight Cars and loaded them to stop) — when heating the tires in the summer on dry pavement, the car begins to pull like on the ice.
Oddly enough, over the summer when mileage 7000 lost only 3 of the spike
Even though it sounds strange, "ability" to drive on winter tires in the summer in Siberia is a necessity.
Put the rubber in the beginning of April and in mid-may will be the ice chorus "lovers summer rubber"(and autumn too).
Summary of sunlove.
"Riders" love to resucity and are not able to live without it you need to approach the choice of tyres very responsibility.
"The peasants"(everyone else) — wear what you like(well, I can give tips for example, living in Moscow or St. Petersburg?), but don't forget about reasonable care not resucita — it is winter, damn it!
Although would love to try the much-vaunted bus with the "glass"(if it was "extra" money)
Anatoly, well, You as always!) thank You so much:)
Front-wheel drive is a plus and the ability to handle a car like plus number 2.
Again, a lot of factors affecting the coupling properties.
For example, an entry from my blog
www.drive2.ru/b/1354128/
The last "straw" which forced me to return home was "drafthouse" Mitsubishi Pajero
-Here You have "superselect"!
irinarya
regarding the Velcro, and lift the ice does not agree with you, except for the part that we have to feel the gas and grip. my driveway is downhill, in winter, those who are on the spikes skidded and could not go where I Velcro quietly left on low rpm of course)
All right.
-Depends on the "spacers between the wheel and the seat"(first of all)
Well and secondly.
There are a lot of factors
-What drive(pure back lose)
-Type of transmission(in this situation IMHO — the "rules" of the automatic transmission)
-Torque(here, "Cox" slow speed engines with high torque at "the bottoms" (which, alas, less and less in favor of "eco-friendly" "bi-turbo"))
But on my Tahoe I will not put the Velcro
regarding the Velcro, and lift the ice does not agree with you, except for the part that we have to feel the gas and grip. my driveway is downhill, in winter, those who are on the spikes skidded and could not go where I Velcro quietly left on low rpm of course)
For me personally no alternative — only studded, no way!
IMHO.
On front-wheel drive(like it or not, peredneprivodnyh more sustainable) is possible and frictions (like the Velcro) on the back(talking about heavy, off-road — only spikes).
Of course, on our region(and to repeat, the SUV(although I think it applies to other cars)
The advantages of "spikes"
What a wonderful "Velcro" was not to drive in icy climb or down a hill with a decent incline Velcro complicated.
It's not about that "spin"(here is more dependent on the skill of the driver, a reasonable "fear" and of course, luck), talking about the fact that for example in the pocket at the incorrect work gas possible demolition of the car.
Well if no one is around(or You have a "toy" type "Smarta").
But if something like my Tahoe, a small rotation of which about its axis can cover almost a whole page(even if the full drive(you know it)?
But if You in heavy traffic?
Or yard multi-storey "nest"?
"Dispute" with the owner of the affected car You provided!
Damn, and how sometimes it turns the vehicles with Velcro closure, on winter roads, the departures from the bushes, and crafts ( and even on normal roads without coverage, which lack in Siberia!), what road, city, for example Tomsk
-What brilliant mirror-like "tongues" of ice, sometimes stretching from public transport stops, on hills and descents and stupid on the roadway!
And the behavior of the "Velcro" when one side is on ice, the other on dry pavement?
You can write a lot and, in principle, the choice of winter tires, as the choice of oil, religion(and "sexual orientation").
When to put on winter tires?
We at the first frost(late September)
When to remove -the beginning of June(of course talking about Tomsk, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo region).
About the noise studded tires
Acceptable.
But I judge from his point of view, the point of view of a person's life spent in the noise and lost his hearing at least 20 percent.
Well, not the noise "fufelnye" studded tires louder pump PPD(or torch in the Vankor), not rumbles louder than our broken-down shift the Car on winter roads!
The music is louder and all!
About asphalt and spikes.
Sinner, I confess!
Last summer Nissan-Cefiro the Car (fast enough car) drove on the "spikes"(preparing to sell this in my opinion, the best car in the world "putter").
No stocks in handling't noticed, the only thing not "rischel" as before(for example 250 km for 1.45), and of course tailgating, at the slightest suspicion that the car begins to "float" stopped and "allowed to cool".
I think is familiar to many, especially those who owned freight Cars and loaded them to stop) — when heating the tires in the summer on dry pavement, the car begins to pull like on the ice.
Oddly enough, over the summer when mileage 7000 lost only 3 of the spike
Even though it sounds strange, "ability" to drive on winter tires in the summer in Siberia is a necessity.
Put the rubber in the beginning of April and in mid-may will be the ice chorus "lovers summer rubber"(and autumn too).
Summary of sunlove.
"Riders" love to resucity and are not able to live without it you need to approach the choice of tyres very responsibility.
"The peasants"(everyone else) — wear what you like(well, I can give tips for example, living in Moscow or St. Petersburg?), but don't forget about reasonable care not resucita — it is winter, damn it!
Although would love to try the much-vaunted bus with the "glass"(if it was "extra" money)
paran01k
A car without ABS and all-wheel drive in such a situation is not responsible? The laws of physics are equal for all. If you hit such a site, without having prepared in advance (not selecting high-speed mode, not seeing the "Seine" on the track, thinking that the bridge of ice will not, etc.) then the problem is not rubber, but yours.
Full drive even as it carries especially in the Field of short, Carando diesel, hunter, while in the snow not sadness this is my personal experience. If he suffered then suffered
A car without ABS and all-wheel drive in such a situation is not responsible? The laws of physics are equal for all. If you hit such a site, without having prepared in advance (not selecting high-speed mode, not seeing the "Seine" on the track, thinking that the bridge of ice will not, etc.) then the problem is not rubber, but yours.
alexhn
Neeeee do not say but we in Omsk it is better still spikes...the roads are poorly cleaned, the reagents do not fray...
The sounds of Velcro in Omsk and normal, it all depends on the gasket between the wheel and the seat, as they say on taste and color of comrades there, and went to the studding and the Velcro and in different cars, even from the spikes of little use if wet snow 15 centimeters and under it ice, the car with the AVS and front-wheel drive carries so ostonovitsya not really just relying on the studded tires and the FAA. So that advice is definitely something specific I think is not possible
informative ever written, thank you! write more about other models of tires, not only about advertised we have;)
I always choose the sticky and for the city and for zamkadya, never failed)
for the AWD ix35 second winter Velcro nitto sn2 winter
Supta 70-ke for 5 years Velcro Michelin
and the city and on the highway without problems as when a measured motion, and with the active.
snow we have a lot of ice, too, enough + on winter roads regularly selected
bornOFmonday
here here) to minus 25 this would not have happened, although the logic of Velcro in the cold even better should work, but as already shown it's the weather...and racing on a lake in Siberia when the weather is such an exception as you do not come out) Thank you.
at -25 on the contrary it would be even more separation, but the closer to 0 the spikes would be more Capucine. But it's still a great rubber, and my choice so far.
What kind of nonsense about "rubber float". As such due to the larger number of lamellae more floats "Velcro". I had no time with the Velcro on the spikes in the same conditions. Velcro including on dry pavement behaved more rolls (a less well-defined zero on the wheel. Smeared reactions). I for spikes. On modern tires (now on Gislaved Nord Frost 100) on asphalt, the noise level increases (relative to summer) appears after 100km.h. (although rubber is new, perhaps not firmed). Regarding "spikes out"- a panacea in the face of the Contitnental Conticecontact (see test auto review from last year. The force on the pulling of the spike 4 times more than the average for the hospital)
Choose spike. Even if once during the winter they will save (stop) from the bumper ahead of the going car, you have recaptured the money! And tyres account for one year! )) And if somewhere in the yard saset in a rut of ice, the spikes to go once or twice, and nechip holmoe and rowing. And in the yards of snow in one city does not clean the snow.
Oh, and lastly — non-studded tyres lose their properties after 3-4 years of operation and there comes the need to change tires, and it isn't cheap. Studded go 2 times more and features their is not much reduced. I.e. economically feasible studded tires.
The advantages of non-studded rubber known — less noise, shod early and to remove late.
compared with континенталем5 and bridge Blizzak, all super kontik was, the grip is cooler than summer, should not think
I agree with everything. I have studded contiki, go very actively and quickly, spikes in place, but this is a new technology, the first rubber where all the spikes on the spot after one season!:)
Why R2 does not like the active drive?
I agree completely. but each motorist his opinion. during his tenure autoruleno on different cars I realized that summer must be a good summer, and in winter good winter tires. if 4vd and Velcro is very good. another in our area in any way.
by the way I very disappointed in studded Ecohome.
The second season of ride on BF Goodrich G-Force Winter fricchione, holds the road perfectly in the snow and ice, and in "mess", the region we have quite a snowy and cold in the winter resinex ride about 8 months a year, and the asphalt is quiet and not okay, this year after winter pereobulsya only at the beginning of June, when pulling away on ice and snow grinds not so much that, although the machine is not weak, can be in this situation, save proteomex. Rubber fully satisfied, when bought did not expect from it such features of what it shows.:-)
In fact, the tests of winter tires talking a little bit about the other conclusion. Since studded tires the tread compound is harder (it clings to the ice spikes, not the protector) on the pavement (which is most of the year to visit the inhabitants of large cities), its behavior is better than non-studded Nordic type. The second is better suited for winter roads and a strong minus (example Finland, Sweden).
I have a vsesezonka is, I'm happy and on the pavement and in the snow and no need to change it every six months like everyone else. But if the snow is something I always have in the trunk are of the chain
I live in the Urals, there's the unpredictable weather. Last winter otezdil Velcro, mother. This season, spikes and reliable.
Spike Хакки7 "pierces" even to the asphalt, and at -20 too. I stand at the window of the office two machines hidekana to the state of the ragged asphalt. The spikes I have Kruzak head. Last winter in Primorye was without snow, was not lasalsa spike on "dry" asphalt.
was a good article with the test in driving on the choice — tongue/Velcro. At temperatures of up to minus 5 more effective than Velcro, because the ice is very soft and the spike does not hold. From -5 to -15 — better studded lower than -20 is already better than Velcro, because the ice becomes too hard and the spike pierces its not.
For myself, from personal experience, determined that I will go on thorns. Had the opportunity on one machine, in one day, one icy and rolled out to mirror the road (downhill) to try both types of rubber. Velcro failed miserably, I was only able to brake on the curb.