Michelin X-Ice North 4 — a minimum of 250 studs in each tire!
Michelin presented its latest winter tyre, the main market for which is Russia and Scandinavia. And even more, the capacity of the Russian plant is ready to export dimensions from 15 to 18 inclusive outside of the Russian Federation and anything more will be brought in including us. While only the sizes for passenger cars, limited to 19 inches. The line for SUV will be presented in a year, so that will have to wait, but let's all in order.
Presentation of the new wheels Michelin X-Ice North 4 took place on the highway, and as usually happens in the beginning with a welcoming speech of the Director of brand development in Russia, and then moved on to the fun part.
Full sizeStart with the fact that the company Michelin started its activity in the distant 1889, and I don't think many people remember those days, just mention that in the same year, officially opened the Eiffel tower. Did you know that a fairly long interval of time car company Citroen was owned by Michelin?
And just dot the i's, the company appeals to me only because of money back for defective winter wheels, which broke most of the spikes! And this is after 3 years of operation! Remember that fascinating story? And now to the facts.
The demand for studded tires is growing, and only 4 each, the buyer makes the choice to not studded tires, which is not surprising, because winter is quite a difficult weather and road conditions. Besides, in Russia, where serious problems with the roads, snow removal and other bipeds)
Full sizeThe new tire was 250 spikes in 16 size and the larger the diameter, the greater number of them. I didn't know, but it turns out that the number of spikes is regulated at the legislative level. Before it was like 50 spikes per square meter and tire adjust the law to the wheels quietly sold, did not destroy the road surface and not cause damage to the environment. Michelin is tested and new tires was certified. And with the new material for the spikes, the weight is supposed to increase, but this did not happen. The lid weighs like 3 generation, about 9.6 pounds. Surprisingly, they didn't expect that. Even developed mathematical algorithm, which was run wheels from cycle to cycle to determine the optimal position of the stud for better grip and comfort in the cabin. Of was considered 14000 optimal positions. And spike now steel, not aluminium, with another form, which has better cutting into the ice and well behaved on the pavement, based on these presentations and independent tests.
Full sizeThe tests were answered quite well known on the world stage the company Test World, original title, isn't it? Which held some fairly trivial tests, which shows strong superiority of the product. I don't want to doubt, because the official data and competitors will easily be able to refute them, in case of inaccuracies or fraud. As the vehicle used Volkswagen Golf 7 generation. Well as competitors Michelin sees the following companies: Nokian, continental, Pirelli and Goodyear.
Handling on ice, on average, were able to show the best time of the nearest rival by almost 3 seconds. Even compared in 2 different temperature regimes.
Braking on ice, again the best result and the closest rival shows almost 4 extra meters, it is a new tire. After running the stopping distance longer almost 5 meters when you change the speed from 30 km/h to 5 km/h.
Full sizeWell, acoustic comfort, the funny thing is that the measurements were held with the help of technology and people, that is, on the one hand the data is quite objective and the other subjective, but I hope you realize that all of the experiments were with unknown inputs, that is, where some bus was not known. In all three speed conditions of 50 km/h, 80 km/h and 110 km/h tires showed the best result.
The protector has also changed and got a rib, now it's a directional pattern with a high proportion of positive profile in the Central part of the tire, active traction on dry and wet surfaces. Lamel has also changed its shape, which will affect the management efficiency in shallow snow.
Don't know how important it is, all tests involved the most popular size – 205/55/16.
Then went to practice to test all on your own experience. Besides, I like the categorical statement of the management of the concern, that they only want the truth. It is not necessary in rainbow colors to describe the advantages of new wheels which have only advantages compared to competitors and moreover peers. Although we have to give credit, the materials were well prepared and the presenters were lively and interesting.
Full sizeThe hour of practice, and our group started with a small fan. Karting on ice, and studded tires of domestic production. The weather pleased real winter options, it was -17 degrees, frost, sun and wind. Well at least listened to the organizers and took the ski pants with the rear wheel well have thrown snow on his back. Rear-wheel drive, steering wheel and 2 pedals, power 6.5 forces, of which ice is enough. Sit start on the first free direct the wind blows through the helmet close to the end is not an option, he will immediately fogged up.
Full sizeUsing 2 circles, when it is understood how to choose the trajectory and the speed with which you can quickly walk the track, began to refuse his fingers. Active taxiing wasn't much help, the limbs were nearly frozen. The controls are quite interesting, did not just come to catch a wave for cornering in a beautiful slide. Braked actively, but I noticed a simple thing, the device is too easy and immediately broke into a skid. Then just threw the car a quick tap on the brakes, taxiing, and the outlet gas. The last rounds only dreamed about checkered flag, it was too wanted to feel fingers and to make sure that they are in place)
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And finally test drive called Security. 7 diesel-wheel-drive BMW 320 with runs from 145.000 165.000 to km.
Full sizeThe point is that you need to accelerate to 30 km\h and hearing Zoomer racelogic immediately start braking on bare ice, which is specially poured for us. And not only poured, but in the best Olympic traditions of Curling, making the races almost for each crew)
Full sizeOn the display racelogic displayed information on the braking time and distance how many meters the car travels after touching the brake pedal. I was the first on the new tires and the brake flew directly over the cones, the instructors explained that I was doing 40 km\h instead of 30. Repeating the attempt, paying more attention to the arrow of the speedometer, the car stopped, showing a good result. After braking, there was a small video, with a bare asphalt where speeding up to 80 km\h it was possible to estimate acoustically the comfort of new wheels.
But how to do it, if you go to 3-4 year old diesel BMW diesel engine which comes to so many sounds and vibrations. And you need 5 seconds of acceleration is something to understand, appreciate, hear, and perform. The rest of the bus was in 2 States, new and used. And, studies show, winter studded tires, even after 10.000 kilometers, show slightly worse results. The average is 1-2 meters extra stopping distance, but agree, because sometimes there are no available 2 meters. There were the following brands: Nokian, continental and Bridgestone.
Full sizeEven every small braking changes the ice, besides the sun began to fry even more and the ice just melted and became even more slippery. I couldn't have personal experience to verify the unique characteristics of new rubber, too little time for closer examination. And given the fact that even a change of driver, then change the car.
Full sizeThen test the Handling, have other cars and a couple new competitors. The track was held at the almost brand new petrol Audi Alroad, power, 333 power. Not the most popular car in the domestic market, but at this point in the mission of Audi in the required amount was only these machines. It's a pity that we do not like big and comfortable station wagons. Rubber only new, 2 units 18 and 19 inches. Well, fans of the rings, will know right well-known companion?
Full sizeWill have to wait a year until the normal size is 20 inches. Well, again a classic of the genre, a small track with acceleration and deceleration. A couple of twists that you can go to the slide and again too little time to understand all the pros and cons. Speed are too small to try to find the line beyond which the tire will fail and you will see the difference.
Full sizeAnd the organizers are constantly subjected to threats that careless driving is to drive from behind the wheel. But again, having significant experience with the second series and decent enough mileage, I can categorically state that this was the best set in my life, because after 3 years of operation, I fully got the money for it) just Kidding, just kidding, I wouldn't know that this is a warranty case, if not accidentally fell into a certified centre where an employee enlightened me!
Full sizeSumming up, I want to say that I'm looking forward to winter 2018-2019 to your own vehicle to enjoy the benefits of new tyres. After all, this is a small engineering revolution that the modern tyre is the first time such a number of spikes. In addition, the tire width from 275 different from their more narrow counterparts, there now appeared an additional tread blocks in each sector, for a uniform distribution, so that the tyre was pressed firmly against the surface. Let's wait and see!
Full sizeTo be continued!
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In the summer did not go. It is clear that winter tires in summer worse in summer, and chipovannaya even more so. But this is not as critical, rather the difference is visible only in extreme (under heavy braking for example) situations. Therefore many of the ezduny winter in the summer — can't feel the difference. But in winter, spikes and chipovannaya not felt in normal driving, not to mention "extreme" situations.
In the summer, too confident? I focus on the summer was done. Every year these summer ezduny on thorns all the more. PPC((
lightninq
Now I understand why woodpeckers spiked in the SUMMER more and more(( after these tests(( and the fact that there promorozhennye the asphalt - so it's like a "trifle". Measurements on such asphalt there is almost the same, that would be a test comparing summer to make spikes and summer tires! For woodpeckers to understand that the spikes on the usual promises the pavement - it "skates"!
Not true, I sure feel for the studs on dry pavement. Close and "skates" no. But ice is not chipovannaya is already significantly
I bought a used season 1 205/55 r16 3rd generation Michelin imported, all the spikes were in place, but I have with my riding style during the season flew and doublemyvalue half spikes. Then killed one tire on the pit herniation on the side, I bought and changed it one and put it back. Here on it the spikes fly out and break off, but the % is much smaller than the "old"
Tigar Sigura Stud in the summer of 1000 km was driving at 110-120km/h with 2 wheels on 1шипу flew, this winter we lived on 110% all the thorns in place, though driftover😅 true as a schoolboy.
And the Director of the Michelin didn't say anything when they learn spikes to do? Myself two sets of Cathal, x-айс3, the first 12-year changed under warranty, kind of like a game Shipov was defective, on wheels 16 seasons spikes broken off just as well, and a friend with the purchase of predica got a new tyre after 500 miles was honored at all the Studs of the head are broken off. This is hardly bad luck
Ice Contact 2 it was interesting to try — there is still a thorn vulcanized worth it... just yesterday, I wrote about it in the factory they had — www.drive2.ru/b/499977350159532456/ (forgive me Vayzunoff for posting please :)))
Their spikes there — talk of the town: smaller, quieter, cooler)
Ellennka
Test X-Ice North 2 took place two winters I have, and I did not like — was not used to the noise (even with good sound insulation you could hear him very much in the cabin) and to the fact that tires do not work in turns, the word side "stick" and do it.
It would be interesting X-Ice North 4 to try — obviously it was supposed to be better)
Support x-ice 2 as an aircraft. The first time they went, bedugal the hub Khan. And no, rubber shit, and like a cow on ice. Now on Conti айс2 and perfectly me. Hack 8 on another machine, silence...
evgens52
Examine the question, the links I gave just above. What you do not know about the problem it does not mean that it is not. In the same Nordic countries in this area, a lot of what is regulated and such a bus with so many heavy spikes on the road no one will release.
Found that studded tires creates in cities of up to 17%, particulate air pollution (Krokeborg, 1998), it turns out that you not only shit on the road, but on people's health.
Yes your links, it's pure populism.
Yes it's all fairy tales, there is no serious scientific research of the Institute.
BL, in Finland and Sweden is regulated by the number of installed on a single rail spikes, the protrusion of the stud and its weight. And a ban on the use of studs out of season.
To the tire manufacturers, I have no complaints. Figure 17% of formal studies in the Nordic countries.
In Finland 1982 – 1988 Lampinen studied data on temperature and precipitation and measured rut depth on the Finnish roads with a total length of 8,000 to 10,000 km. Exploring the factors influencing the formation of ruts, he determined their relative importance. Also clarified that the bulk of the gauge (70-80%) is formed due to wear of studded tires. Plastic deformation of the materials of the pavement when driving heavy vehicles create 10-20% of the volume of the track. Usually, one heavy machine forms the same rut as 3 – 5 passenger car with studded tires. Based on these data, Lampinen came to the conclusion that partial reduction of a rut by regulation requirements for the use of studded tires and limitations of their permitted season of use. One car wears out over 1 km of mileage is about 24 g of the coating material, and the wear of one pin – 100 micrograms. Annual costs are estimated at $35 million.
Car driving on any tyre on a dusty road, was forced to chew sand and sumuramat eyes, as if something were not there!
Here it is for you to housing and communal services to make a complaint, and not to the tire manufacturers!
Famous brand "NOKIAN Tires" in your where and who produces tires? And the last 2-3 models of it with lots of spikes!
I live just 750км from Rovaniemi, I know how it's done here and the relations to the spikes?
Examine the question, the links I gave just above. What you do not know about the problem it does not mean that it is not. In the same Nordic countries in this area, a lot of what is regulated and such a bus with so many heavy spikes on the road no one will release.
Found that studded tires creates in cities of up to 17%, particulate air pollution (Krokeborg, 1998), it turns out that you not only shit on the road, but on people's health.
What civilized world you talking about? :-)))
Almost all of Scandinavia, winter spikes! Without them it will just fly into the nearest ditch! Working in the Finca for the 12th year and sometimes the road is not remotely more since my arrival and with them all right!
Do not believe in NN is, in Moscow is, and in Peter I do not. Idiots your mother! You argue with the fact that the entire "civilized" world has set up as a fact and studied!
And the budget will be cut during the repair of a rut.
We have no problems with the rut. It is there where the asphalt. And we have in half a year after its installation — some pits. Track just do not have time to form.
But very convenient to blame for ruining the roads for motorists and to continue to cut the budget for their repair.
Explain? If you got not enough brains to understand that they chewed, what's the point of explaining to you? People who are in the subject, have long sounded the alarm and the transport Ministry, and the Duma and the Federal road Agency, and in the presidential administration and, I think, together, we'll run the ban on the use of studs on paved roads. I want to breathe air without dust and asphalt to drive on normal roads without a rut.
Links to You know how to post, only to explain what it is it can't. So I suggest You to continue to keep their initiatives to themselves. Or go directly to the state Duma, there is the audience loves all sorts of freaky ideas!
Come learn the Russian language, smart guy. And read the article to understand the issue and expand the horizons:
www.dor.spb.ru/index/technology/iznos-pokrytiy/
www.pavementinteractive.o...studded-tire-information/
e551mm.files.wordpress.co...ar-and-traffic-safety.pdf
evgens52
The final end of the road with so many heavy thorns in the tire. Studded tires should be banned for use on roads with asphalt.
I'd rather be banned very clever people
The final end of the road with so many heavy thorns in the tire. Studded tires should be banned for use on roads with asphalt.
Vayzunoff
Much nicer just to slow down and not slide on the ice in surprise, where's the hook) the most in Winter, worry about the murder of asphalt!
Yes, Yes in my opinion for this asphalt we pay taxes properly ))) spikes and spikes only! Went with the Velcro, the conclusion-well, fuck them! Velcro for girls with PMS, which always do not like something, then the sound of a something that comes to mind is obsession "shit on their safety, the asphalt is more important..."
after 7 years drive on the Hakka, different)On the M37 is the Hakka 8) 45 bought Michelin xin2+ very happy per season all the thorns in place, noise is less than the Hakka 8 and the acceleration-braking on hard drive full of cars, it is difficult to assess the difference in General and Michelin on the Hakka 8, with dignity, the khaki form of the spike is interesting, on Michelin rubber seems softer)
By the way, compared to HKPL, they have a significant advantage in behavior on snow porridge. Speed are significantly better! But HKPL better on ice. But reliability and durability is certainly a weighty argument.
Support, after the first season changed under warranty through the season, the same "song"... HKPL — taxis.
Great Michelin tires! But if the workers learn to do the thorns not flying for a season or two of use (that is not serious in comparison with well-known Finnish competitor!) they will be even better!
samarovo
Will never in my life Michelin will not take!all the thorns have poobalapillai for 2 years!took 3мишлен, I thought, Yes expensive but at least will last for at least a year 3
Same crap — www.drive2.ru/l/459687120949281909/ the Michelin faith no more!
seryjvolk
And smsl were to take the tires to sell? You could probably ask for the money back. What model was given?
Money is very difficult to return, so I'm told
And smsl were to take the tires to sell? You could probably ask for the money back. What model was given?
When you tire the Dealer gave you then had to give the number. Or something was supposed to be for tracking purposes. Call the dealer who handed in a pinch.
Call them on Goychay line, such that when there will. In General, of course cool that a client service adequate
samarovo
Will never in my life Michelin will not take!all the thorns have poobalapillai for 2 years!took 3мишлен, I thought, Yes expensive but at least will last for at least a year 3
the same trouble. After two seasons on XIN 2+ spikes was gone — broken. rubber went into the trash. ((( and before that, two sets of spikes, no seeds Michelin was rolled back with no questions asked!
Look at the tires date of manufacture. If less than 5 years, go to the site Michelin. Look at the nearest of. representative. Come to them, write a complaint, the forms they have. Give the rubber and wait. Within a month they weigh and if this model is available send a new or refund.
Three years skated, spike broke off on 2 tires. Passed in the spring, in the month brought 4 new 2017. The 5 year warranty from manufacturing date, and no receipt necessary. This winter everything is perfect. Better rubber there. Hack no better.
Will never in my life Michelin will not take!all the thorns have poobalapillai for 2 years!took 3мишлен, I thought, Yes expensive but at least will last for at least a year 3
the protrusion of the stud from civic tires we have in the country is regulated, so that all are the same +/- 1mm
MidnightDragon
What, more spikes than in the 8th or 9th Hacke?
A lot more. Under other equal conditions it decides. But how, in General, noticed below, they do not speak much, and the whole idea is that they do not damage asphalt and are not noisy, and it outweighs even the coupling on the ice, which is however quite normal for normal driving. But nowadays the problem is, that the sale of studs that do not meet the new requirements and restrictions prohibited, what are the options from the manufacturer?
Don't understand where they were going, except Russia just to export? Even we are already starting to screw with spikes.
who cares how much the ship and how many tracks they cut?.. the fact that they do not protrude much and don't cut deeply... this tire is exactly the same shit as HACK 8 . for severe conditions, it is not necessary ...
The negative to the Michelin in the comments just hard ...well it was so obosratsa that for the fifth year stinks... :(
completely agree with what You said! Michelin X-Ice North 2 was much better and braking, and snow rowed...
Since 2005, in the winter, ride only on frictiony one manufacturer but, last year, it's time to change the Velcro and there is an urgent need for the studded tires, the choice fell on Michelin x ice North 3.
The result:
The crackdown on the icy surface became better (probably due to spikes)
Noise is not much.
Braking is worse on any surface. Constantly worked ABS.
On clean pavement behavior is not stable.
In turns constantly worked to cap.
In the end, otjezda 3 months, when pereobuvku in the summer, revealed the absence of 11 to 15pcs these clever studs on each tire. And this despite the fact that I never particularly does not slip!
Sold this kit. And last winter re-shod in his favorite rubber. Immediately, everything fell into place. The machine is operated as needed.
With the experiments done.
Michelin never buy (winter for sure)
Bought new.Risky of course.I would hope that the company learned of the error in the previous version.I Bought 225/45/18 Hungary
ZARuslan
Liked the review. And there is a survey on Michelen CrossClimate? Kind of an interesting summer tires with a tolerance of -10.
to -5 and the first snow. A good option to wait out the collapse in the tire shop and then early to jump to winter tires
Liked the review. And there is a survey on Michelen CrossClimate? Kind of an interesting summer tires with a tolerance of -10.
mexanik75
And what is the process of returning the tire and bought 3, and they say that spikes the problem...
Depends on production date of the tires. The latter model years this school with spikes fixed.
the dealer nearest to Michelin are and show what the problem is. The site has a list of dealers
And what is the process of returning the tire and bought 3, and they say that spikes the problem...
Long time since I had studded Nokian. Then indeed lost. But not critical. In three years, 20 percent left. I know that Goodyear will fly well right from the first day. On the same Bears every one on the spot. No ads. Personal experience.
No offense but this is a beautiful tale from manufacturers, fly and fly well.
Now is not the same level of my boot. The spikes are not out. I will say that this model is just the bomb. On the pavement, brakes good. To the last clings to the tires and no breaks in the SW. Rulitsya well. Put in the beginning of winter on a working machine and happy)
A sense that, poke their nails due to them Yes with the clutch control, and lose nails, what's next?