Super Strut Suspension VS MacPherson - Toyota Celica, 2.0L, 1998
Well, wooot! It's time to tackle the suspension! Ride already tired of thundering! The hunt for peace and quiet! The question arose, what to choose ?! = (It was decided to weigh the pros and cons of each suspension! Friends and Guests, dear, help me ?!
Super Strut Suspension
Sports multi-link suspension. 10 ball, 3 levers.
Yes, I will not argue, she behaves on the road like an Olympian! The controls are just great. BUT THE COST horrifies me for some levers of about 45t.r. just coming out! Well, God bless the money, we will save up, we will earn if necessary!
There is an alternative, to put a simpler, and most importantly, not so expensive MacPherson suspension, and in the future it will be cheaper to maintain! But, with whom I do not speak, everyone says, there is no better Super Strat, or anything! I understand that the Japanese Engineers did not come up with such a beautiful and expensive suspension for a reason! But where, is she good? A loop, a highway, or along our holey roads and spring bumps on the roads? The question is, IS IT WORTH TO KILL 100t.r. (+, - 20t.r.) on such an expensive suspension, or is it better to put MacPherson + struts stiffer and the springs are not simple. I haven't driven MacPherson, that's why I'm asking what is better?
I do not participate in the dredge, there is no sense in the ring either on the machine. I drive around the city and run to Zelenogorsk, once a year to the countryside and to the country house. Favorite speed 140 km / h +, - 50 km =)
The whole suspension will be repaired, if Strat then, with the exception of 4 struts and springs, they are normal! The rest needs to be sorted out! Thunders, bless you! = (
PS Maybe someone else has 1 Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 205/55 R15 (summer) wheel with pleasure! =)
PS In advance, many thanks to all!
1) Rear wishbone bushings.
2) The silent blocks of the front curved levers are vertical
3) The front levers are straight
4) The front levers are short
5) The ball upper front
For replacement.
So the serviceman wrote in the conclusion!
here is the number 2402178 cell number.
I don't remember where they are, somewhere in the village of Mitino 15-20 from Krasnoyarsk. Call them, they will explain to you how to get to them ...
Tell me the phone number and address! I think it makes no sense, for a while while collecting money for a new suspension! =)
No, I will not sell! The need for funds has disappeared! Found elsewhere! =))
I wonder how long the repair will last?
In your case, I would choose that it’s easier since you have a vegetable type car and don’t bother with this super strat, sooner or later everything will come smoothly to him, especially since I also look you are going to sell the car ... IMHO
Well, if there is a desire for him repair, I already told you that I have the phone of a good office that repairs suspension of any complexity. If necessary, I will give ...
I ride a McPherson, for the city will ride. if you really decided to sell, what kind of superstrate can we talk about :)
I have nothing bad against Super-Strat, to be honest for him! But the sum of all STRATA scares, and I am afraid of our roads that the strat will not live long!
Was on diagnostics at Auto + Guarantor. I'll write a conclusion later! By the way, it punches the rear left pillar on a bump when the trunk is a little bit loaded, or there is a passenger in the rear seats! = (There are
numbers! Thank you!
in vain you are so about the strat
if the racks are intact, then all is not lost
change the shortest lever (2700-3000 in the existential) upper ball 800rub
bushings stub 700-800 rubles molting 400
and do not sweat your brain))))) you will keep within 10,000
most likely the whole breakdown will pass after replacing the short lever (the weakest point)
py.sy if necessary, I will strip off the catalog numbers of parts
I'll do necroposting. on stratum departure 2+ years - flight - everything is ok. the strat was new.
and if it is not new, there is nothing to be surprised at.
and, finally, the main thing: if you drive "retired" - then you had to buy a car not on the stratum, and not on the Celica. You need to be an adult)))
not to say that it is straightforward, but the money is not small! =) And I want the machine to remain in perfect condition!
I don't think it's worth buying an expensive suspension. on our roads, you will split it in a month. if there was extra money so as not to save and not strain, then you could pamper yourself. but for everyday driving it seems to me this is an injection of money
because one did not work ... the load on the second was ...
it will not live long (((then you ruin a new one ...
it is desirable to change in pairs
first the gas comes out ... the rack works for breakdown ... then it starts to pour
T1m0n
I don't see any smudges on the racks at all! ?: - /
Brakes on Mac, no problem! Brackets are put from Kaldina 215 and then 2-piston brakes get up! The whole alteration on the Mac will be installed at a maximum of 25t.r.
As for the super stratum you have to think! The silent blocks on the curves don't change separately, right? This means replacement with new ones!
If you know, tell me about the silent blocks of the rear wishbones, the catalog number and how many are there? Most likely I will do a super strat! but there are still small doubts! = (
gas-oil racks?
I am registered there! =) I will search! just now at work, from the phone! The Internet is just awesomely nerdy! = (
www.exist.ru/ register there ... you will find the nearest office ... and you will have no doubts ...
py.sy. original catalog of toyotovsky in the same place
I don't see any smudges on the racks at all! ?: - /
Brakes on Mac, no problem! Brackets are put from Kaldina 215 and then 2-piston brakes get up! The whole alteration on the Mac will be installed at a maximum of 25t.r.
As for the super stratum you have to think! The silent blocks on the curves don't change separately, right? This means replacement with new ones!
If you know, tell me about the silent blocks of the rear wishbones, the catalog number and how many are there? Most likely I will do a super strat! but there are still small doubts! = (
well, the shift to the left is due to the leaked rear rack ... the
handbrake is not a problem ...
the rest will be corrected by replacing the short levers,
my advice start with them, a
friend on Karen 206, too, fell into a panic, replaced the entire front end,
fit into 50 oblique ... but it was necessary to replace one upper ball
and one lever ... put the brow that he threw out ... he drives the second year and
does not smile sweetly step on the same rake.
and replacing with a poppy pherson will also cost a pretty penny hubs, brake discs, calipers, others
Pancake! RETURN PRICES BACK! = (It seems that the dolar fell! Acens, as if the anchor were thrown! = (((
Below, when I took it - in a month the price tag increased by 15% - and then I managed to take it cheap, initially there was only 30tyr of iron there,
=) +100 I will definitely not change the engine ... although only if it is on a CTU! ;) And I will change 98 only to Finnish!
Damn the price tag for the superstrat was lower before! = (
First, the strat in the poppy, then the engine from the VAZ 2110 ... then refuel with urine, because gasoline is expensive ...
The strat in Celica came from the rally, plus it, in addition to handling - survivability. According to the assurances of people, he walks on our roads for about 80-100 thousand km. poppy how much? 30 thousand will pass, I wonder? In a stratum, the load on the racks is several times lower, which makes the racks go longer. Yes, and the suspension itself, now in the ace asked a friend, 3 years after replacing the stratum during daily driving, I wound it already for 90 thousand. on OUR roads.
If live racks - change the ball on them, if not - change entirely.
You don't need to go through anything in the stratum, you need to shoot everything and change it to a new one.
If not, sell and buy what you can support. Without a strat, the proud name ssiii will only be zilch)
It's not so scary, pull the levers little by little, I have already gone through this)
Here read on alterations, repairs, etc.
www.celica.su/wwwboards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=13285
www.celica.su/wwwboards/viewforum.php?f=26
A lot of sensible information
=) It's good when it works! And when it rattles and you find out how much it costs! The hair on f ** k starts to move! =)
I also have Super Strut Suspension on Edehi 4WD, I recently stopped in for diagnostics, I need to change all 4 stabilizer bushings (1pc. 250 rubles) and stabilizer struts, too, all 4, but now they are already more expensive than 700-800 rubles. a piece. And everything else, ideally, and no one knows how long the suspension has passed, and on the speedometer there are already 180,000 thousand km. So I choose Super Strut Suspension!
Differences between MacPherson and SSS in action and Celica ST205 Super Strut Suspension read the articles here. www.ed-exiv-club.ru/
Cybermaxy
put a MacPherson strut with adjustable struts (Kayaba AGIKS, for example, or horses) and lowered springs by 4-5 cm
in turns will enter no worse than superrani, but you can kill a horseradish in 20-30 thousand km for a
wheelbarrow 5
good luck!
kaneshna horseradish kill strat in 20-30 - maybe he walks 100)
put a MacPherson strut with adjustable struts (Kayaba AGIKS, for example, or horses) and lowered springs by 4-5 cm
in turns will enter no worse than superrani, but you can kill a horseradish in 20-30 thousand km for a
wheelbarrow 5
good luck!
Hi Romaha! You haven't been seen for a long time! =))
Why is it not destiny to put yourself? =)
If the strat is tired, then you will repair it constantly, like a tired poppy itself ... If the strat is new, it looks like a long time, and do not listen to those who have not enough money for a new one ... I am for a strat, + a lot, but the current is that it is expensive The more you have it from the factory.
For those who think such a suspension is unrealistically expensive, buy yourself a Corolla 1.3 and put it on 13 rolls))
I would have changed my Mac to Strat myself, it’s not destiny to see
o_0 Why, what! = ((((Ooooooooo sorry! The car was straight EXCLUSIVE! How much did you give? Where did (the city) go? What are you saving up for now?
what can I say from my experience ?! as I went to McPherson and Strat, long ago and now. Levin was still on my strike. about McPherson, I put sports racks on the old Selick, 17 springs with low profile, handling became better, but! it is still far from a standard strat without any bells and whistles! MacPherson strut does not rulitsya as a strat, even though you crack! :) I would not say that MacPherson sturdy, just cheaper to maintain, but breaks down just as quickly as the other suspension, if you drive any way! I will say about the strat, but it is expensive, but believe me, change it once, well, you will spend a lot of money, but then you will forget about it for debt. it walks at least 100 on our roads, it all depends on what kind of driver you are, any suspension will die under you, if you wake up rushing along our roads and pits anyhow, go better and that's it! but it is super controlled, and in the future you will buy springs and sport struts, it wakes up absolutely awesome :) there is no point in repairing the strata! do not listen to anyone, it's money down the drain! you have enough of it for a month and everything will rumble again! :)) but about the racks, ankind advised you to go to a good place, the racks are excellent there, the men make me, my sports racks have been made to me as they are new! do not bother, buy a strut and go. the car left the factory at the stratum, so it must be at the stratum! change, you lose all the dynamics of your car! no one in Russia is smarter than Toyota engineers! there the racks are excellent guys do, my sports racks have been made to me until now as new ones work! do not bother, buy a strut and go. the car left the factory at the stratum, so it must be at the stratum! change, you lose all the dynamics of your car! no one in Russia is smarter than Toyota engineers! there the racks are excellent guys do, my sports racks have been made to me until now as new ones work! do not bother, buy a strut and go. the car left the factory at the stratum, so it must be at the stratum! change, you lose all the dynamics of your car! no one in Russia is smarter than Toyota engineers!
OK! I'll keep it on mind! I know that they are on the strike! Well, you never know limited! ;))
is finite. zhtfory st205 :)) chipped from the factory, that's it! go with a stratum. By the way, if you want anything from tyuneng, please bring it. and I'll bring it to any car :)) my boy and I are doing this now :)) much cheaper than you have there in the region :)
Zheka, I'm not going to change the car! ;) Friends shout that the car is not worth such an investment, well, they do not like it as I do it! ;) So I think in the summer the replacement is complete with the Super-Duper STRAT! Eeeehhh, where would you find a swap box for 20-30 thousand, at least 54! Already sooo eager to drive on the red ring (the machine is still not that!)! =)
Thanks Zheka for the answer. + 1son! =)!
Well, my IMHO:
I am against the redevelopment of "civilian" cars, well, if only because when the vehicle is sold, the new owner will have problems with the purchase of spare parts, since nothing will fight on the frame. if you want a car on a poppy, sell it, buy another ...
that I don't see any problems regarding replacement, well, except for the high cost of components, the Buzzn-hornet was replaced in a couple of days, it took longer to disassemble ... The main thing is if you change everything at once.
I would never replace the strat), all the more so from the factory on it! I am very sorry that I do not have strata) If people say that there is enough for 100 thousand km, then it is necessary to repair the strata and not sweat about it!)
The price of the issue was scary! Now she is on Red. drives! She's still with the guy she sold it! He says he is 100% happy with the car! =) Well, I have a new vegetable car in the next 1.5-2 weeks! =)