Buying a used car the official

Recently rode a Conveyor with mileage 220 thousand. The interior is not worse, than here in the photo. Was pasilacial in those places to which there is usually pay attention, there really are a hundred thousand can be twisted. Then of course I respect the Germans.

Andrei-Nalcik

the official the official strife
but the wound runs everywhere 100% 50 to 80 t km

I know imprint where not cut. And doing the work that counted for tradine. The only thing that is cheap and good cars go there as its not reaching the showroom. But I don't see anything wrong with that.

Took the car In TTC. Showed another 2 services later. All said that the wear corresponds to the mileage. Before I had one owner.

the official the official strife
but the wound runs everywhere 100% 50 to 80 t km

That's the problem. Therefore, all the ads and says "not broken, not painted, mileage up to 50K, 1st master." How to write that dyed (if sales is the bumper lap in the Parking lot and on the hull accurately done) and the mileage is real, then... Sales call will not be. Buy dead stuff from wound on 200k mileage, in space from all sides. About the author and writes a blog. Who is more beautiful lied, in fact, and buy. Oh and the second problem is the desire to buy the car, which is no money. So people take the Cayenne for 600K. Believing in fairy tales.

And we don't want to buy an honest car, while my ex stood Aveo with the real mileage gave a penny, although all the docks and indeed the history of the real machine. Hit the road mileage and everything is OK, bought already with a whistle. Even a little hurt, wanted a good price for a car with real data, no one gave, worked the run and please and the price is higher, and bought it.

Well to be more exact. If it's premium, it can. And so, in budget cars... 100%, no one will

Yes, of course, that no one will "bother" to die.

Shturmannn

To do print on print — 600 rubles, and you can find three different handwriting, and much the same handles...

Yes, no one steamed. Or put one or all thrown to hell. Easier to find a sucker than to strain.

Well, it means I was lucky.

To do print on print — 600 rubles, and you can find three different handwriting, and much the same handles...

On time is not necessary.

I bought at Toyota Center in St. Petersburg. Very satisfied. There is truth in it.

1. Service book full of different handwritings, ink and stamps (color printing).
2. PTS — original
3. One owner (lady) — was a namesake :):):)
4. Mileage is similar to the real.

Cons:
1. A dead battery
2. Summer tires (bought the car in winter)

The dealer by the way of AVANTA, Moscow office, which is full of dealers in Moscow.To Kolomna she side-full sun belongs, as it is located in 10 km from it on the road "Ural", "AVANTA" they built a car town, people shoes are complete, so the author is not alone.In that year, someone from the "clad" night burned five cars in their Parking lot.

the official dealer. from Kolomna
that says it all

somewhere I saw the appeal in representation of VW about the poor performance of the dealer's official response-VOLKSWAGEN RUS KALUGA is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR the WORK of the OFFICIAL DEALER AND NOTHING TO do with that. Russia, her mother...

What is the meaning to just write a blog about it and all?))
Have you tried to call on it is also a line of Volkswagen Russia? (I'm sure this should be) and it is possible to achieve, this dealer has ceased to be official?)

Saw Pervis sold jazz guy with drive. Mileage was twisted almost 100 and the car was drowned (photos even BJ was). But the dealer that is looking for suckers.

in Krasnodar car dealers Skoda and VW are not averse to wind the mileage on trade-Inn machines.

who would doubt.

Familiar Astra GTS was rented for a trade-in, after there was that car in the sale from the official dealer with mileage in half. Another passed Snive with mileage of 220, the same did half. Rewound mileage is the norm rather than the exception. A month ago, a friend sold Grant 3 notch with the real mileage 14000 km, wife to work, Yes in the garden for children and not every day, tight sold no one believed that mileage native, was thought even to reel under 60000.

Car is better to "buy" from mom or from dad, there is a near 100% guarantee of honest mileage and condition.Buying a car from a uncle, or a friend even if the car did you have in mind there is no such guarantee! But in any case better than to buy a car from a stranger albeit more expensive. As for "honest" dealers value their reputation: if the salon offers you cars with mileage 50t.km and honestly says that "tied" 80...100 tons.km this is an HONEST car dealer, but I have not seen such.In short something like this.

rainovsky

Fraud is not here, because the Fraud, that is theft of another's property or buying another's property by deception or abuse of trust. There is nothing like it. Don't want to be picked up in the legal concept of "race", where it is and how secured. The seller is moving out of elementary, I rode the wheels with a large radius, the odometer ran more than it was, in fact, that worked, that would have been as real. And in General, nowhere is it written that the "reel no", so it is possible! In many countries, legislation stipulates that the seller bears personal responsibility for completeness of information, I don't know about mileage, but if there were accidents, arrests, the bodies were taken, the seller is obliged to notify.

Not great, but less confusing

Thanks for the clarification

Yes, You don't understand. Don't confuse criminal law, grazhdanskih legal and moral standards. Here, the maximum you can pull of a violation of paragraph 1, article 10 of the Law "on protection of consumer rights", which reads as follows: the Manufacturer (executor, seller) is obliged to provide a customer with necessary and reliable information on goods (works, services), providing possibility of their correct choice. AND THAT'S ALL. If you can prove the fact of the winding, you can try to cancel the transaction. Once again I want to emphasize that I do not blanch smetchikov, and strongly condemn it, but there's no criminal case. Material damage is not here, You got the goods You've seen him, he's just not answering one of your requirements.

rainovsky

"the acquisition of another's property by deception or abuse of trust" — You conclude the contract of purchase and sale, transfer product, and do not get the money — this is theft, this acquisition law. You see, the key point — which caused material damage. You lose money as a result of actions of the swindler, all the rest are civil-legal relations.

I can something I do not understand: if a car with a mileage of 100 thousand km is on the market 200 thousand rubles, and the car with a mileage of 200 km is 100 thousand rubles, the seller, putting mileage 100 thousand km (the actual 200 thousand km) "acquired the rights to another's property by deception or abuse of trust", i.e. "ripped me off for 100 thousand hard-earned money. And it is not subject to material damage?

So people and losing money, it's one thing to buy a car with a mileage of 200 thousand, the other with mileage of 50 thousand, the prices are totally different, and all of this is provable, if you want to for a couple of years to run the examinations and hemorrhoids the courts and trials, it is. just do not need anyone. I repeat again, even if you prove what the twist was, and it is illegal, then hang it all on staff and all. Periodically these things flashed in the news but usually doing this one, mostly retired

"the acquisition of another's property by deception or abuse of trust" — You conclude the contract of purchase and sale, transfer product, and do not get the money — this is theft, this acquisition law. You see, the key point — which caused material damage. You lose money as a result of actions of the swindler, all the rest are civil-legal relations.

This "theft", there still is OR "buying another's property by deception or abuse of trust" — this is specifically to this and apply this case, and the property, it is money.

I to read books. Read the theft. Based on your request to quote Wiki: the Theft is committed with a motive illegal uncompensated taking and (or) circulation of someone else's property in favor of the perpetrator or others, causing damage to the owner or another owner of the property. It is important to note the three components of the property which encroached. This is a material aspect, meaning that the encroachment is happening in the material world, the economic, the fact that it has its price and legal, which concerns the ownership established in relation to certain property.
In no case do not justify the coiling, but it is a moral fraud, not legal

You just forgot one thing — to read in the same Wikipedia that the meaning of "property", see below

Property — the collection of things that are owned by any natural person, legal entity or public-law entity (including money and securities), as well as their property rights to receive property or things of satisfaction from other persons representing the owner of any utility.

Fraud is not here, because the Fraud, that is theft of another's property or buying another's property by deception or abuse of trust. There is nothing like it. Don't want to be picked up in the legal concept of "race", where it is and how secured. The seller is moving out of elementary, I rode the wheels with a large radius, the odometer ran more than it was, in fact, that worked, that would have been as real. And in General, nowhere is it written that the "reel no", so it is possible! In many countries, legislation stipulates that the seller bears personal responsibility for completeness of information, I don't know about mileage, but if there were accidents, arrests, the bodies were taken, the seller is obliged to notify.

But in fact is fraud, and in the large size, if you revealed a few episodes, even up to very large you can pull. The only problem is that it will give the mechanic and inspector for 2 years probation and fired from his job, and the salon will operate on the same principles. Well, the one who sued, secured hemorrhagic for at least 2-3 years

and? not dealer staff drove it=) and the owner of the car=) there is no means to stop of structure of a crime. And for any of the country=) it's a car, not a new heart, a kidney or something! just iron=) you yourself imagine it? come in mentovku and say this: — Tovarisch police officer! and he tied up the mileage on your car! Punish him to the fullest extent of the law.

nonsense, don't you think?
All the same what to come to the office and say, put this woman! She ###do not shave!

Well if like to dilership slip car rolled mileage is another matter.

and what to apply? The tems that you want to buy a pig in a poke, and you also slip a plastic bag?=))) maybe I like when my mileage is less than one hundred thousand? fetish like humiliated pelvis or something!=)

Fucked up all night reading your posts. In Russia, the wound runs all in a row, why no one calls the police (in the court), on or before no one cares?

Well so that is good so! He worked in the showroom, anger is not enough, who because of low prices treydin customers left. Well when clocked to 100 000. And sometimes you come Suzuki Grand Vitara (old round), it actually cost 150 — 200... and the customer pays for 50! and discount by tradina only 50. Well, if you had held it for a month, certainly he would have sold! province and not a province... it is not an indicator!

RedJG

moreover... in our country there is such a system as a TRADE-IN... e no one really understands how it works?
Take the car for 600 000, trade in accepted 400,000, referring to what the average market prices of used cars without doing anything except washing sell for 800 000.
Worked in the showroom OF. Dealer...

Where are these numbers large? Comrade passed Suzuka сх4 for a trade-in in FV, then she stood there for Tr 70 more expensive. Not such big money, and the benefits even more than he did )
All this is true in the provinces, not in Moscow )

about Foltz in Russia... it is also questionable priobretenie. and Volvo... well, Ford is in a beautiful package. and zero sense. sores even more.

RedJG

moreover... in our country there is such a system as a TRADE-IN... e no one really understands how it works?
Take the car for 600 000, trade in accepted 400,000, referring to what the average market prices of used cars without doing anything except washing sell for 800 000.
Worked in the showroom OF. Dealer...

Foltz-Rus official nihilists because they are the head office grants claims to be.

friend tired Volvo passed for a trade-inu and immediately took the new Polo. eventually won more than a hundred thousand.
to diagnose the Volvo Foltz can not, therefore, the word believe, that's all right.

bugs we have right in front of their gate was skidyvali (=

malder

+1. Do not understand what economic sense to take the car in trade-in. Or engage in the sale there is no time, or head blank. Using the reputation of.the dealer out of the blue earns points.

Just do not understand, so have never rented a car. I can tell by the example of my accent. Yes, in trading we take cheap. But. Give a discount on a new car just the difference with the market. Only in this case, no crap, no see with Caucasians and other things. I have it so happened that the dealership refused to take to trading a car (another story). Gave me the focus with the paid stamp duty. (The cabin I paid nothing). I had to sell myself. Yes, I ended up in the black. Well sold. Plus demanded a discount for trading (so as not I took the car out trading, and I returned it). But the plus thousands in 30 never justify the spent time, money and nerves for sale. And that I bought the first saw the car. Who sells months... Nafig it is necessary. It is clear that if tradine folded 3 times below the market price, then it's not worth it. But in many cases, as in mine, treydin does not lead to loss of money. And most importantly, all quickly, easily and safely.

XS how and where in Moscow time it is rather the rule, of course, if to look. I was in 4 trading, three Yes, bent much lower price, arguing that the wheels (divorce) and not sell it (again, divorce). Maybe those three just did. Good cars for little money from treydina leave her immediately.

Under such conditions — I would have passed. But, I guess that's more the exception than the rule. Dealer at a loss will not work.

I like Skoda Octavia with the "legendary" bunch malogrado 1.8 TSI+DSG7 sold 3 months, several calls, once watched, in General, full of hopelessness, and trade-in passed 2 days with the loss of the market price to 40 thousand, and could have less to lose, if time had rigged jammed the hood and bumper shabby. In the end, I drive a new car and before the next owner of oktaha not ashamed, I bought a cabin this piece go.on, let them have it and sell it on.

+1. Do not understand what economic sense to take the car in trade-in. Or engage in the sale there is no time, or head blank. Using the reputation of.the dealer out of the blue earns points.

moreover... in our country there is such a system as a TRADE-IN... e no one really understands how it works?
Take the car for 600 000, trade in accepted 400,000, referring to what the average market prices of used cars without doing anything except washing sell for 800 000.
Worked in the showroom OF. Dealer...

When looking for a Honda, too, like the trade-in salons... In the description you write that is in excellent condition, all THE time, but in fact whoicanbe bucket for insane money. Even the salon clean before selling lazy. Frankly insolent. Apparently really every, even so, the product there is a buyer... again they had to buy right-hand drive "bucket"...)) however, thanks to the Motherland, is not cheap it seems.

1000 like))

There is nothing complicated. The loan does not affect the relationship. I once have reposed in the Lord of airline "Transaero" through the claim sued 24 000 rubles + 5000 rubles for moral damages in court. The reason the detainee on the day the plane. Did everything himself, without a lawyer, according to the RFP, to the duty not to pay. The clerk was surprised that I am one with them figure out the relationship (in the sense that without a lawyer).

I knew about it but had neither the time nor the desire to contact them. Plus, the car was purchased on credit through a Bank, also it was not clear how to deal with this. In General, lazy.

Because it was possible to attract them even under the Law on consumer protection, there's a 100% gain was was. Half Jetta would be paid for :)

Also bought a used/have a Jetta 2012 in the official dealer center of Volkswagen. When I came home, opened the trunk, saw the welds of the wings, I almost lost consciousness. Then became broken glass from cracks to fall out. Of course, I'm a goof, but you see the traces even an excellent body repair, and then happened that the official and didn't even look.

KostyanButovo

familiar outbid kruzak 200-ke did the mileage from 120 to 75. Bought people they have this car, then made "an independent examination" that he had looped the mileage and the experts found that the mileage had looped it outbid and not the previous owner. In General, said the police, in the end, a criminal case, and to outbid threatens till 5 years of imprisonment. I Hz. how it all will end, but the fact remains.
The other dealership was a similar situation, but there are up to ugolovki not reached themselves outbid decided "by peaceful means," returned the man the money which he paid for Camry (2015), the car, but the EU took the top and gave 500 000)

interestingly, as proved who hit the road to run — there's that autograph left?

AleksMarkk

Interesting. And what article this time? Fraud?

The article will come up when the desire to punish the villains matches with your abilities ;)

Do not know, you may be right.

Interesting. And what article this time? Fraud?

familiar outbid kruzak 200-ke did the mileage from 120 to 75. Bought people they have this car, then made "an independent examination" that he had looped the mileage and the experts found that the mileage had looped it outbid and not the previous owner. In General, said the police, in the end, a criminal case, and to outbid threatens till 5 years of imprisonment. I Hz. how it all will end, but the fact remains.
The other dealership was a similar situation, but there are up to ugolovki not reached themselves outbid decided "by peaceful means," returned the man the money which he paid for Camry (2015), the car, but the EU took the top and gave 500 000)

Duh. If you have on hand and print a service book, and service scanner here to stay? And mileage is a figure of this... time will not get over it. Now for the money everything is done. Where is the hope?

if the official Armenians is possible.

it was a crisis... we needed to survive...

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It is not the Russian and West-European traditions !
In the 90s, pick up the best...

they sensed the catch in this system

Let them check their otdelenov...

And at what here WAN? I do not think that this instruction from the Vagen, the head office in Russia.

VAG-ovsky scatasta already crossed all limits!

Not checked, just that he knows the man surrendered the car to the salon. He in fact wrote.

Tell me how you checked the mileage?

dealers, dealers... sold her aunt's sander, which she was in the cabin with Novia took. Machine, 2011 year, mileage 105000, fully loaded — moldings, guildingi, tinted glass, two sets of wheels, etc. On tradine we took it for 300 pieces. There were a couple of shoals of small — broke point lights and peeled off the paint on the aperture rear right door — factory marriage. It was possible to do, but once taken and so to hell with them. Gave as is — with service book, etc. she was Standing in the showroom judging by the ads not even tinted over 340. A few months stood for exactly. Then he disappeared and surfaced in... of Ivanovo. Already 2012-th year, 64 thousand mileage. Tint opening, put the point in place. And the price is 380 pieces. Machine 100500% the same — so I'm okay, but man journey on her 5 years learns "to walk"... a Very great desire to go to Delhi to ask the service book and naporka twisted 40 thousand...

There are no carpets!

VIN hardly without ties identify the owner, but ask to see PTS and to look for the owner more or less likely via social media. Usually, the car owner flashes.

I wonder if there is any option VIN code to set the owner, pass on the trade-in your car? After about mileage and condition, you can learn from him. He had no reason to hide anything.
Or is it impossible?

my friend's dealer was willing to buy restored after a blow to the face of Chevrolet spark. The most interesting - the dealer didn't bother you, then chipotle recovery in the car was not alibegov)))

sold my 99 novice outbid (actually he didn't hide it) for 2/3 of the invoiced prices, private persons also came and... started to point out the "wedge" and ask to throw a lot of unrealistic or told that she was murdered-we find much better for the money (he took it from a friend, the sole owner and almost saw her all the time to buy me). One even counted the same amount of recovery under his "utopia" that proved I owed him was still to pay )))
a few months saw her in the Internet: all plastic, the toner on the casting...and the mileage dropped in half, but the battery, which is really the 8th year went and have not changed(although the sale said that it would be necessary for winter wave), and then saw her live — she is in the neighbouring district "all in Dolce & Gabbana"...

buddy took a Kia Rio 2001 — everything's alright when I drove home, began to maraetai — found a piece of paper with mileage and replacements oils (logbook Bati), there has emerged a real run...
and sell according to the legend, came the son with power of attorney, since his father was in the hospital

I'm not surprised =(

-how to determine that the dealer is lying?
-if he opens his mouth, then he is lying
(American folk joke)

very interesting and informative post, the dealer is certainly well done in General, the book filled out and actually fucking understand how much it run

Okaishie just!))

Oh, not all dealers are like that. We except cabin cleaning and de-exterior films and labels do nothing. No dealer trade-ins, or in General, just the bodyshop.

Not True Yours! There is no of. dealers General (common) base for the car. And it was not! Specially interested. Fairy tales do not tell! :)))

The mark of the passage THAT in the service book is not difficult. But the order of the performed work it is already difficult. And ZN should be required if the mark from the owner, especially from an authorized dealer (they have a single base). If no print options, the official all stored in electronic form. If in e-mail no need to send them a forest, or in a brazen price to drop 40 percent . (after all, to buy a car for a good day, even with the rewound mileage is not too bad. Perhaps).Hardly course an employee of the dealer will start you to bargain, citing the fact that "there is not a market." But in my opinion in such a situation (proven fact for themselves cheating) salon of the official dealer transformed into a market, and the price you can trade as you like.

dealers who outbid when we are talking about cars with mileage, put in the trade-in.
it's not their core business, so are invested in such machines to a minimum, only napolibuy that shone "like new" .

Yes, the plate at all, this is though as the dealer is called?

When we have to impose the death penalty for the rollback of the odometer, well, or at least a lifetime. Once the issue resolved, but apparently the government supports this rigmarole...