Facelift BMW 1 series F20 LCI — with my own eyes (statics)

Actually a trend no-no. When the car is good by itself, then restayl make the minimum, so as not to frighten people, and when you need something drastic, something more serious remake.

Or rather there is no place))) Here they picked up the trend, making unity a good facelift

This is exactly now was about BMW, not Audi told?)))

Fiveser

Yes, dorectal really looks better, but as I understand it, they wanted to radically alter the car to market it again embraced and stared, and thereby to reach a wider audience. Usually in such situations, rarely think about the fans of the model)

And rightly so, because Audi and Mercedes are changing their restyling much more interesting than it does a BMW, making microscopic ratowanie details

Fiveser

Me by the way he seems to like) This car, especially if you take smart, M-Pak, and the best — on all-wheel drive!)))

me too)

No, the x1 is still the size of the cabin is less. And the following will also be less than a full minivan of comparable size). 7местная will definitely is already known.

Wrong, this niche very successfully closes the X1, is built the flesh from the asset and 2 Grand Tourer, and if there will be a 7-seater version, we sure will not see Tourer.

Yes, actually I think in our market it just good prospects.
The same X3 in half of the cases (if not more often) take women who like a high rise, and roomy body. And which are not very necessary high clearance and four-wheel drive. Here is a cheaper (and it will be cheaper than the X3, IMHO). the Grand Tourer will just be to the point. Children in kindergarten to carry enough.

Me by the way he seems to like) This car, especially if you take smart, M-Pak, and the best — on all-wheel drive!)))

See, at the end of the year. I think only Gran Tourer will bring.

In Europe everything is available, do we have posibiliti... front-wheel drive 2 active Tourer and 2 Grand Tourer, too, we may not see...

Yes to restart the model's face just enough to redo)
And to restart would have made available again the empty configuration like 118 Limited Edition for cheap, because not everyone needs tchotchke like xenon headlights, climate, and mandatory Sportsline — some much more important "equipment model", its handling, dynamics and brakes)

Yes, dorectal really looks better, but as I understand it, they wanted to radically alter the car to market it again embraced and stared, and thereby to reach a wider audience. Usually in such situations, rarely think about the fans of the model)

To us also came.
The face became normal.
But why the ass to change began is unclear. All always liked the rear view of dorectal, stylish and looks like I have a very wide car)

hattabych2006

Sorry, but still in my opinion too expensive for a car of questionable practicality. Adequate price it at 800K. a maximum of 1.1 million in the sound you set.

I do not agree, he recently sold a 4-month-old Cruz Universal max (cost 750,000 in 2014), with a premium of 400,000 and took Kaliningrad "empty" 316 -- Yes, the options we lost, but every time sitting behind the wheel of droplets does not doubt the correctness of the decision.
you've got to understand what you want to pay: for the technologies or options?

They do not restayl, it is almost a new model:D the One Camry that is!

Hmm, this applies probably to all three. Here the Japanese is another matter))

Audi margin is large, that can shed shamelessly)

Fiveser

You have not gone to salons and watching how much the machine apparently) For the Jetta in a poor configuration, not having even half of what makes this penny, you're willing to give up 1.3 million?
And for Korean Golf class in richer configuration willing to pay the 1.2-1.4 million?

So why the German, quite technologically advanced and modern car should cost 800?

In one with you certainly agree, and I also wrote the price is high! Its price in such equipment is 1.2 — 1.3 the maximum, and then from that price and more discount would not hurt, but gone are the days of such prices, and now have to deal with that give.

Don't know the price on a Volkswagen, but Audi is now the most attractive offers with the same price as the Toyota Camry, as an example))) From Mercedes there's always support on some models, the same C-class C180 AMG in the package + 3 options (including the touchpad) I'm going to take 1560))

that's what I said.
people see the figure 1.7, the word database is shy and in shock in beating the drum, while reading between the lines and sometimes even only the first)

before the crisis, 1.25 — 1.3 m — an adequate price for this car in this configuration.
a little earlier 1.1 m — was the attraction the fabulous generosity.

ps. collected for the interest of A3, and let it different cars, etc., but the fact that Audi is cheaper at 100-200T.R. in a similar setup.

You have not gone to salons and watching how much the machine apparently) For the Jetta in a poor configuration, not having even half of what makes this penny, you're willing to give up 1.3 million?
And for Korean Golf class in richer configuration willing to pay the 1.2-1.4 million?

So why the German, quite technologically advanced and modern car should cost 800?

In one with you certainly agree, and I also wrote the price is high! Its price in such equipment is 1.2 — 1.3 the maximum, and then from that price and more discount would not hurt, but gone are the days of such prices, and now have to deal with that give.

Fiveser

Let me explain:

Here is the list:

Automatic transmission
The multifunctions is the steering wheel
Sports leather steering wheel
Tyres with emergency travel
16" Alloy wheels Star-spoke 376
Bolts — sekretki
Warning triangle and first aid kit
The smoker package
Sport seats for driver and front passenger
Heated front seats
Front sliding armrest
Decorative trims color Gloss Black accent inserts color the Oxide Silver matte
Alarm emergency rapprochement at a Parking (front and rear)
Fog lights, including heated mirrors and washer nozzles
Speedometer indicating the kilometers
Led lights
Radio BMW Professional CD
Function intelligent emergency call
BMW TeleServices
Device Hands-free with USB input
Voice playback in Russian (for navigation)
Regional code 5 for DVD
Line trim, and exterior Sport Line
After-sales service maintenance "3rd year plus"

I draw your attention that the engine is not atmospheric and turbo (with twin-scroll turbine) with a capacity of 136 HP and dynamics 8.5 to hundreds.

Car komplektatsia one of the best to date automatic transmission — 8-speed ZF. I think it's about anything does not speak, but believe me — she is the best.

Further, rear-wheel drive (only in this class! Needless to explain that the production of rear-wheel drive car is more expensive than FWD?)

All that relates to security (the electronic system, airbags, pretensioners, etc.) — all in the database.

Penny is one of the best for comfort (ride, noise) in its class, it actually is better handling and quite high reliability. The penny only German!

Add to all that a 3 year warranty (none of the German competitors it is not).

Both of these you padzherik — neededa ancient bucket, although for your purposes a tractor adapted pretty well. Camry is a old plow plastic, although again text edit is tolerated. Here only I doubt that you will want to take the 3.5 with its space tax, crazy flow and totally unprepared for what no, but a quick drive to the chassis. Therefore, the majority takes the 2.4 with the dynamics of 10+ seconds and then watch as their bypasses 116 with 136 HP, but it's lyrics...

Sorry, but still in my opinion too expensive for a car of questionable practicality. Adequate price it at 800K. a maximum of 1.1 million in the sound you set.

Fiveser

Penny? As the owner, and most importantly — how their seller, can you say more. Penny turns and rides more interesting three-pointers, and three really after spears (the subjective opinion of the owner and Manager, but is the place to be) felt by consumer goods. The only advantage of three — more energy-intensive suspension, better adapted for our roads, but it is also its disadvantage from the point of view of taxiing. I am absolutely serious. Mini I would not hurt was because it is a separate class of crazy vehicles that are worth the money, though not very small... If not Finance, second car just to take a MINI) so Much emotion no other car in this class will not give.

exactly, MINI taxis))

)))))

And for me as the only three-pointer in M-sport and looks

Do not impose, but purely aesthetically it is heaven and earth. The word believe 3-ku more harmonious in the Luxury package for a good R18. Very very krasivo.

Without M-pack, the penny is certainly not chic, but the appearance in M-package — I like penny much more than the same three. Maybe because it is much more rare and not so poppy, but for the most part I really like is the silhouette with a long bonnet and tailgate preloaded.

Lie to you I won't, but haven't driven 1-ke. Externally, 3-ka just unreal space next 1-coy (if there is a sense of taste and proportion that is not going to argue). Suspension really walka, I don't really like sometimes my 3-ka. Regarding the mini, the salon +/- same as 1-ke. For the price I consider rather 1 110 000 for a justification than ... (don't know how much unity). On the dynamics and efficiency and discipline she gives you 100 points Yes, my 3-ke(not in the basic minced meat), the only real drawback I think is not such a beautiful, antique body and all. About emotions, I agree, a very positive car, I really like it.

Penny? As the owner, and most importantly — how their seller, can you say more. Penny turns and rides more interesting three-pointers, and three really after spears (the subjective opinion of the owner and Manager, but is the place to be) felt by consumer goods. The only advantage of three — more energy-intensive suspension, better adapted for our roads, but it is also its disadvantage from the point of view of taxiing. I am absolutely serious. Mini I would not hurt was because it is a separate class of crazy vehicles that are worth the money, though not very small... If not Finance, second car just to take a MINI) so Much emotion no other car in this class will not give.

For me it is not better Mini, and apparently so do gggggg.but

By today's standards the price of 1.3 for it would be quite justified, especially since nobody feeds illusions concerning the volume of sales in our market.

300tr no more they are with her to throw

So will discount)

not the price tag, so nonsense to take it

got it, thanks. Like the Socks, however.

Only Germany.

Controversial decision, again from the price. And where the collected ones, then? Okay, the "mass consumption" 3 in Kaliningrad, and the unit?

MUCH better than dorectal! Dorectal very sad! VERY! But for the money it is better to remove the elite whore for 2 months

lex1818

Weird!
Wanted to buy a spear, and Manager said front)
In the end took the Audi, but otherwise beh now the price tag is unreal.

omaygad)))

Looks gorgeous, like everything about her! The price I see no reason to discuss at the moment is a silly exercise!

Hear egghead, you buy a car, and do at least a couple of records, then kounavi then sit. I have friends all life on BMW drive, and I believe more than marketers and like you. Audi and Mercedes are doing something else. And these pendosy a new turbo in the old engine vherachili and all the damn new moved. Read about the new and old engines. In 740 2000 years that they now the same as in X5 that h5m...all the same. And it is not necessary to convince me that they have new engines. Boost and all. In all m-tuples is the same.

Sergh89

There are still idiots who carried out these old-fashioned things))- BMW has long been a leader. And they do...but. Though the new motor did. And "climate" and the message is the same) one name climate - the usual condo. Some divorces...

Right.Fuck BMW.It is better to buy a Renault Laguna.He is the leader.Veracity it 1 lemon on top and make a BMW at the traffic lights...

Sergh89

What engine-B38? The next revision of the engine 90-ies?! That another E34 was raised. And the N13 engine is the fruit of the fantasies of a BMW with the Citroen. These engines are placed and the Citroens and Saabs. Only for the brand Citroen you think and don't think for BMW it's a masterpiece. Was previously Yes, now no. BMW is not a panacea. BMW cool if compared with the same Japanese, Koreans, the French, the Spaniards. And I always thought this brand from Audi and Mercedes - the main competitors. And they are now far ahead. As for engines, electronics and interior design.

Now poreshat all the Volvo with its new philosophy and approach.

I agree about the E60

I understand You, that's terrifying in a BMW that qualitatively they have not advanced in recent years, and quantitatively — this is all now know...I Remember my E60 swallow)) from Here it is still a positive experience, former F10?! Just a good car, comfortable, beautiful...that is all

I'm not trying to humiliate owners of BMW, no. Some just like something different look at the world. I'm not the first, not the last I say about these failures. It's not even the failures and unwillingness to invest. Many owners of the Bavarians trying to reach out to the manufacturer, saying '' think again'', it is not necessary to deceive us. It is not necessary to indulge in wishful thinking. But no, they continue their policy. People pay for the badge, not the technology.

Not so clearly and vigorously, but the truth is in your words!

What engine-B38? The next revision of the engine 90-ies?! That another E34 was raised. And the N13 engine is the fruit of the fantasies of a BMW with the Citroen. These engines are placed and the Citroens and Saabs. Only for the brand Citroen you think and don't think for BMW it's a masterpiece. Was previously Yes, now no. BMW is not a panacea. BMW cool if compared with the same Japanese, Koreans, the French, the Spaniards. And I always thought this brand from Audi and Mercedes - the main competitors. And they are now far ahead. As for engines, electronics and interior design.

Serge well, you're funny.
I told you about one thing, commenting on your statements, you're about something else entirely. (it was about the engine, climate, air quality, in response, marketers, reliability).
Answer about "real" climate and whirlings in the BMW f-generations the same was not followed.
And in General what to write here? I understand the discussion in the news on the main DRIVE.RU but in the personal blog of the owner of the BMW? Not that I have something banned, but it's funny "entertainment."

About the upcoming engine 118i. This will be BMW's B38. The Internet is full of information. "Debut" was the way the BMW i8. That is remarkable. Have adequate and nelenivym sales managers think BMW already has this info, and orders for new machines they take with this motor.

Yes, even the current BMW N13 kicking in its category according to the characteristics of perhaps 95% installed today on new car engines, and of the older generations and all the 99%.

Also judging by your comments you're one of those for whom BMW begin with 3 series, motor only row "six", and indeed if not "M" it is not a machine.
I recommend to go test drive BMW 316i (with a dead and dull toboganom 1.6), for it is not abused and do not beat (only ask the awkward "when are you planning the purchase" have to lie), at the same time it will be possible to twist neoclima and ask a Manager "couse"!

Out of respect for the author of the blog will not continue. (or read — deftly slid)

Who told you that, the factory went? Or said on TV? Now all head not engineers, and marketers. And no one on 10 years old cars is not going to do. 50 thousand refused and got screwed. Those BMW now

motors are one of the most (if not most) modern on the market, along (with technologies) with TFSI.
since June of this year 1ер 118i will be even more with the new engine.
what for you the PRESENT climate? to the electronic scoreboard from the calculator with numbers?
you touched, twisted control climate bmw F-generations?

Well, Yes, Mr. and divorces him around.

There are still idiots who carried out these old-fashioned things))- BMW has long been a leader. And they do...but. Though the new motor did. And "climate" and the message is the same) one name climate - the usual condo. Some divorces...

for headlights and of course a big overpayment)) but she looks fresh now

On the Alfa Romeo Giulietta was similar, only Juliet is already 5 years old sold

Only the design of the rear optics pleased, when compared with the e-body, it looks interesting

really, pokemon scared )) restayl little to rectify the situation )) but all the same in the E series have their own charm...

Flag in hand. Prices on Golf for a long time looked? for 1079000 you will be able to afford the naturally aspirated 1.6 110 HP on 5MKPP in the base with painted body-color bumpers (option)! :D

Write me when you get a Golf, congratulations.

for this city of about 1 million and pathetic.
it is better to take Golf)

That is true...

In the current situation of "penny" not "protects the ruble" motorists

Well, at least the car was similar...

for not snickering people a car is just a fairy tale)))

About the price I wrote in the last post of your blog) look very interesting

I'm in no way saying it's a bad car, I'm sure it will be more fun to drive than my car. We are talking about price and nothing more

What kind of mental our people?)) try at least once this BMW for the poor, and I doubt very much that you don't like it) if the car is small, it has not said that she was miserable)

my went up to 150-200тыр, but damn! a small machine that was originally created as a "BMW for the poor" 1.7 is a tin))))
with the price of the car now all is not very rosy...

Yes, not cheap, but you've compared the price of your led with the price at which he took?)

got better, but for 1.7 complete insanity to take nedong

Clearly, savings damn it)

I could be wrong, but like incandescent bulbs)

And stops and turn signals are still on the bulbs of Ilyich? Or now LED?

It is strange that many see in it of course) at a price of course sales will not, therefore, forward discounts.

The back reminds me of Golf.

With this price tag point in buying no.

Well 136 rides no worse than a top (not counting UNB) Golf, which has a 1.4 140 HP, but in General of course I agree that 1.7 sounds too uninteresting for a penny.

To top far IMHO. When compared with the Golf 7, it is too expensive BMW and driving characteristics differ slightly. The price tag is 1.3 million and will make a great machine. And so empty even for a 1.7 million, even if the engine is 136 HP, which is not coming. it is not exactly top.

Civic 5D was removed from the sales in Russia due to low demand and high price (for its class the price is really high), at BMW from 15 years warranty 3 years, completing my proposed car is adequate and even includes LED lights (from Civica at best Bixenon).
With the price of service Honda is not familiar, but the unit particularly burdensome not name.Trunk Zelikovskogo less than 100 liters, but I always have enough to spare, and if anything, the backrest can always be folded.

Anyway, a matter of taste, but of course the price tag would like to lower)))

Ratio, price, reliability, warranty 3 years, package contents, the cost of maintenance, the size of the boot, ease the back. IMHO I civic seemed more attractive. Its price from that that is written above on Boomer almost two times lower. BMW really enjoyed the front SEATS, but rear high threshold uncomfortable neither to sit nor to get out, the trunk is very small, the interior is boring. All this is IMHO.

The civic is competitively priced?)

Against the competition it is about anything for the money. If the cost would be competitive... It would be possible so to speak.

A knowledgeable person) is Not pretty precious of course, but the competition certainly is the top)

Yes Davalos to sit in such a pretty precious!

Yes, Yes... exactly.

Understand, this is probably the event Bearing in Solaris?)

Thank you)))
At the weekend went to her go-kart track :)) Really liked it.

Happy opinion understanding people)

Dear beetle :)
But to drive this car a pleasure. Great car for the city.

In the previous it is still in the current body, or very old? Because of those machines the engines were atmo and turbo dynamics to present them as the moon, and finish in the old penny was very far from premium, and in the new though all done quite efficiently, soundly and thoughtfully, which do not always meet the competitors...

As that went on the previous penny with the same engine for a test drive in the showroom. Machine frisky and enjoyable in many ways, but Golf size does not hold, too small inside, especially in the rear, a premium it also can be called a stretch. But for the price of two years ago in the Ukrainian Crimea this machine with a test drive in a rather crammed with picking out in a staggering amount of 45 thousand .Euro. (now the ruble is about 2.4 million, and 1.7 as it would cost new now in Russia) So expensive is a relative term, although I too believe that the optimum price for this car would be somewhere in the 1.2 Lam.

No discounts from such prices of Golf class to do nothing)

With such a price, it encroached on the open spaces much more expensive cars)) And just dumping in price will help it remain on the market

Well, here is difficult to disagree)

There's no NBT and other stuff dryuchek without which you can do, Supplement for CORONAS 100 thousand, I went to 135 in the database with an automatic transmission, knowing that you have 6 boilers in a row, the rest can be forgotten)

2,5 there is a base manual transmission and without anything)

The most interesting that the maximum is 135 2.5 as it suggests that dealers prikryl)

To throw another 300 sput and you can take 520ю :D

BMW, be BMW )

Finally, the penny hatch began to look good. Rear lights from Leon, in my opinion.

for 1.9 new Jaguar Xe give conductive, Nahrin kopaka who need for the money

finally fixed the appearance, but the price is not adequate.

beauty requires money) to wait a year and buy =)