How to choose retro car (part II)
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One of the past publications I have raised the issue of selection of classic car:
how to choose retro car (part I)
Mostly it was about the General questions: why do we need such a machine, how to determine a budget purchase, to brand, to appreciate the complexities and cost of shipping and handling, think about maintenance.
Separately examined the question of what all this — the restoration of vintage carand why the need for the preservation of a classic Oldtimer.
So, if You decided on the brand and model of classic car, You face the question of inspection and Troubleshooting of commercially available copies. The choice of any retro car, not to mention collectible cars (they are in a separate article), it is responsible. The better will be the Oldtimer, the fewer resources it will require in the operation and repair. But which instance and how to choose if You are not particularly versed in cars? Of course, You can use the advice of experts. However, this article will be useful primarily to people independently performing this important step.
Body
The first thing you should pay attention to is the condition of the body. Restoration and body repair retro car — the most expensive and time-consuming process. Of course, if the machine has significant traces of previous repairs and accidents, large-scale centers of corrosion and deformation of the power frame of the body is not the most ideal option to purchase and subsequent restoration of the car. However, modern technologies and equipment, coupled with the promising materials allow us to restore the "tired" items.
The body frame ZIS 101
ZIS 101 restoration of the body
If we are talking about the mass of GAZ 21, it may be worthwhile to look for a good copy, albeit at a higher price. However, if the car You memory, and You treat her as a family member or talking about collector cars — doubt should not torment You.
Lagonda V12 original state. It was the last masterpiece of Walter Bentley and was the epitome of classic British style 30-ies, which successfully combined the advanced design, excellent performance and beautiful appearance.
restoration of the body Lagonda, the company's operation of Antique Vehicles;
local body repairs ZIL 115, company Antique Cars
After You have completed the external examination of body parts and refinishing, try to concentrate on the main problem areas chosen model. For example, in a government car model ZIL 111 to the ZIL 4104, and modifications of characteristic areas are the sills and arches of the rear wings that do tinning of the body lead-tin solders used in the creation of these cars by the factory . Steel when in contact with tin according to the laws of electrochemistry rust much faster. For car GAZ 21 Volga at the initial examination, pay attention to body gaps, they should be smooth, and also check the clarity and closing doors, this will allow us to estimate the geometry of the body. Pay attention to tire wear, uneven wear may indicate not only violations of the camber, but also serious violations of the geometry of the carrier frame. Inspect bulkhead engine compartment: cracks around the casing of the heater and in the lower part of the uprights of the windshield are signs of a considerable mileage of the car. The presence of characteristic defects — a serious occasion to reflect on the cost of bringing the machines in order and an argument for bargaining.
ZIL — 41047 typical defects
ZIL — 41047 thresholds are another weakness
For each machine have their "problem" places, and its nuances, so before inspection I recommend that You find necessary information and to prepare, or you can use experience and expert knowledge of the company "Antique Cars" (antiqcar.ru/).
Shields
Worth mentioning the chassis number/frame and marking plates. Their integrity and compliance with the parameters of the manufacturer and stipulated in the documents — guarantees the absence of difficulties during the registration of the vehicle after purchase. For each model, retro car, they are applied in their seats, have certain fasteners, font, and size. Therefore, in preparation for the inspection Oldtimer find out these details beforehand, or stock up and review the literature on maintenance and repair, this will allow You to avoid possible problems and examinations. For collector cars rooms the frame, body and motor allow using a special register to know the past of the car, from the exterior colors, upholsteries and configurations, and ending with the history of ownership, repair and maintenance.
Mercedes Simplex
ZIS 110 nameplate
The Soviet government cars nameplate is located on the panel under the hood and the engine number on the car ZIS 110 engraved in the top of the left side of the cylinder block between the 3rd and 4th cylinders.
Chrome
Then I recommend to pay Your attention to the condition of the chrome parts of the exterior and interior: bumpers, grille, hubcaps, moldings, handles, etc. For many large-scale machines such as the GAZ 21 Volga or GAZ 20 Pobeda the cost of restoration of chrome can be up to one third of the cost of restoration of the car. You can rely on the repair cost about 800 rubles per square decimeter of the part. For example, the area of the bumper of the car ZIL 4104 is 80 square decimeters, and the ZIS 110 — 120 square decimeters. Recently received a distribution of variants of vacuum and chemical plating to reduce costs — in real time operating conditions of the workpiece surface tarnish/yellowing/peeling off in one season. To distinguish the options are easy visually (with the necessary experience), but there is a technical way — when inspecting parts try rubbing the skin, copper has a distinctive red color. Details of the electroplating process can be found here.
In any question, whether restoration of body, interior or chrome, nuances that can distinguish a professional from an experienced but Amateur huge amount. In one, even the most extensive review article I can introduce You to all the features.
Example:
If the mass of the machine to the chrome one requirement: "to Shine and not go bad quickly", it is for collectible cars, covering parts of the German 30s different from the Soviet ' 50s, the first substrate and the other of Nickel, so it gives "into the blue":
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Completing the visual inspection, look in the car.
a reconstructed interior of the Mercedes 190 SL
salon ZIS 101: comparison with original fabric
Carefully inspect the condition of rubber parts, seals, and guides barotac glasses. Their lifespan due to natural causes (exposure to air, moisture, light) is not greater than two decades. Replace them as a rule is not a significant problem, however for many models of European and American retro cars will take some time for ordering and delivery details. In the case of inspection of the convertible note on the mechanism kabrioletas the device, check its integrity and functionality. Fissure or breach geometry cabriolet awning may be consequences of a serious accident or unqualified body repair, repair the consequences of which are hard to find.
kabrioletas mechanics Сadillac 1906 edition
ZIL 115V — front convertible
The technical part
If the owner ran the engine prior to Your arrival, the time allotted for the inspection of bodywork, interior, exterior and verification of documents will be sufficient that the motor is substantially cooled. Inspect powertrain for leaks in the block and drip oil. Start the engine, let it warm up. A rough running cold engine can be caused by many reasons, among which are "filled" candles, not tuned the carb or defects in the high-voltage wires and the distributor. After warming up engine, note the oil pressure. No load at idle the oil pressure less than 1 bar should make you think about the imminent repair of the motor. As a rule, repair costs of the engine are moderate, however, for some vehicles can be difficult to package items. In the most complex cases, for example for the engine of ZIS 101 or Mercedes 540 all items can be made and the unit is molded.
manifold for Mercedes kompressor
The knocking of the engine can be caused by different reasons, the main highlight the following:
Knock the intake or exhaust valve is heard at regular intervals. The frequency lower than the frequency of any other of knocking in the engine, because the valves are actuated from the camshaft rotational speed which is two times less than the frequency of rotation of the crankshaft.Knock crankshaft main bearing usually metal deaf tone. It is found with a sharp opening of the throttle plates at idle. The frequency increases with increasing speed of the crankshaft. Excessive crankshaft end play causes a sharper knocking and uneven gaps, especially noticeable in the gradual increase and decrease of the rotation frequency of the crankshaft.A sharp knocking connecting rod bearing. It is well heard when sudden opening of the throttle plates. If the sound of one of the journals, the place knocking easy to identify, disabling in turn the spark plugs.Knock of pistons is not ringing and the muted, induced by the piston in the cylinder. Best of all it is tapped at low engine speed and under load.
cadillac 1906 model year. Great on the go :)
Progeny turn off the engine and try to start again after a few seconds, hot start. Make sure the cooling system, thermostat and fan.
During the test drive check the operability of the transmission. Most of the problems with the box can easily be addressed but may take some time for repairs, which will delay commencement of operation of the retro car.
Noises when squeezing the clutch pedal may indicate worn joints in the propeller shaft, if the acceleration or motion is vibration — may require a balancing of the propeller shaft or replace bearings.
Repair usually does not take significant effort and money if the cause is not a distortion of the geometry of the body (the result of an accident or improper repair). However, during the inspection, check the shock absorbers, steering rack, leaf and coil springs. Uneven wear of the tread rubber can be associated with the need for camber, and with more serious body problems. During the inspection of the oldtime check the brake system. Most parts are consumables, however, to service the brake system must first after the purchase, as this will ensure the safety of You and others road users.
Diagnosis Bentley
And last, always consider their objective condition of the car. If necessary, enlist the help of professionals when inspecting before buying.
Good luck on the roads and let Your car pleases You only
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This individually.
The massive machine to find the parts wouldn't be a problem.
The issue of resources — time and money.
All that you can't find it — can do. The main thing is that the drawing or sample
Good article, thank you!
Still would like more information on maintainability models. For example, I know that for the British and now manufactured all the parts. For example Austin Healey (1953-1970) to 3000 BN4-th all there. The triumphs in my opinion too. For all Healy can be ordered online.
Although it is likely the specifics of the British, when the old equipment is used for z.h.
zaza635
Basically, the farm of Terry and ruthless-bridges and motor gazovskih. And values of any brand.
Again, the issue of price is absolutely not idle.
Complete the instance 321 found in the range of 20 thousand euros in Europe is not difficult
The issue of delivery of cars from Europe — purely technical, as well as customs clearance.
If you do not want to do this yourself — there are plenty of organizations that will perform all delegated tasks.
But if Your choice (German brand) significantly expands the opportunity to find a decent car in a decent configuration at a reasonable price.
Mechaniker
If you need a "value" and in our life everything is relative: as a variant 326 convertible or progress with 327 327/28
27/28 KMK all have either collections or abroad. 326кабр in the original, under restoration only once met here in the sale, for 2 million But then it was not up to it:/
Looking to compare, it would be naive to wait for control of the modern Porsche 911, yet it is a prewar car.
The most sensible option for You is to find a car for sale(rental, lease) and evaluate directly
The value probably is not monetary, but more value as an original engineering work. How goes the native 6цил. the motor, as rulitsya with its suspension. I say interested in sensations, not on how much it will cost(which I doubt :) ).
How it goes and turns the victory, barge and other novavtoprom I know and, alas, not impressed.
If you need a "value" and in our life everything is relative: as a variant 326 convertible or progress with 327 327/28
Basically, the farm of Terry and ruthless-bridges and motor gazovskih. And values of any brand.
For travel in the regime of intensive city traffic with the original hodowli — will be hard.
For travel on the suburban streets within the village or an empty highway — normally
As a fallback — modern suspension, since originally "the farm" options often
BMW-321. How he fit in the original as the cars of the day and occasionally shopping. To put in the garage just for the fact of possession in General is a mediocre car interested, I want to ride.
The idea of such a long time spinning in my head, but complete copies, not killed kolhitinom, cannot be found.
The ultimate dream, accustomed to the horseradish and radish Soviet man — stock Volga or Pobeda)
And that seems not yet retro) not to fat) not allowed)
Respect the owners of retro hard workers Tips
including, the last second world war!
I wonder what the life of a car is often longer than its owner. And may God grant us all good health and mind to take care of our iron horses. And understanding environment!
Oh, on the ZIL would sfotatsya Yes in red) merc on it, anything)
It is not in doubt. I meant the old-timers zabugornogo production.
Yes, and my favourite the humpback, if the move ends in the price tag of 200 to 500 , let's hope that any grandfather worth for me.
Just all the work he did not do, and not cost-effective, know your car.
Contact restoration workshops, 99.99% of the readers just can't afford it.
Okay, this is demagoguery, and that is useful advice, this is important .
Good luck.
a common approach to the selection and inspection of the vehicle, which is described in the article is relevant to any retro cars: whether it's a ZAZ 965, the GAS 24 or the Muscovite 407.
Very interesting and lucidly written, but is it desirable ?
Any project that you have described starts from six figures and goes to infinity.For the overall development, undoubtedly, interesting.
No "likes" or signatures as such is not the goal — the text is indexed by search engines seeking some information — one read.
I would have liked more — if even one person it will help not to make mistakes and benefit — it means my work is not in vain
Interesting entry to write. Only the annoying "begging for likes". Why? You are so well read.
Good article. From my point of view-literate.
The cat and the length of time when we are called wood))) you already have and respectful inclusions in phrases))))
Thank you!)
Yes, just relax and start all the parts spread out and thoroughly done .
and so, things to fake is a pointless Masturbation
moreover, it is foolish to believe it.
cars deteriorate, people age — such is the essence of things.
you just need to accept it as a fact.
with regard to the car — really to predict upcoming costs and estimate the approximate amount of repairs
realist.
it is ridiculous to believe that for so many years, nothing in the car is not declined
This applies to any car purchase in mind.But in the case of buying any old woman plays the role of a "want")well, when in such moments to have a sober friends nearby.
I-vento
Once I sold the car, at the market I met a very demanding buyer. Then I directly asked what amount I need to pay, that he would deliver me from this grief)
The article is sensible, to buy the car you need based on common sense, looked up, said goodbye, took a NAP, took a day for reflection, maybe even a week. Such machines for a long time waiting for a buyer, the real connoisseurs are not too many that will take valuable time. It's funny to hear when people spent on the search for just a month or two and say that nothing interesting happened. Your car can wait for years to save money for more interesting and/or subsequent restoration.
And you need to start with the fact that the car needs a place where she will not be evicted and if anything she should be able to wait their time for years to come.
And here it you in vain think that is really interesting cars long sold.
Especially liked this place: we also need to start with the fact that the car needs a place where she will not be evicted and if anything she should be able to wait their time for years to come.
And, as it requires time and constant spending of money...
Us men sometimes it seems that we choose the women and the machines. But, they choose us...
Once I sold the car, at the market I met a very demanding buyer. Then I directly asked what amount I need to pay, that he would deliver me from this grief)
The article is sensible, to buy the car you need based on common sense, looked up, said goodbye, took a NAP, took a day for reflection, maybe even a week. Such machines for a long time waiting for a buyer, the real connoisseurs are not too many that will take valuable time. It's funny to hear when people spent on the search for just a month or two and say that nothing interesting happened. Your car can wait for years to save money for more interesting and/or subsequent restoration.
And you need to start with the fact that the car needs a place where she will not be evicted and if anything she should be able to wait their time for years to come.
All inspections, etc. mainly for mass retro cars. Rare vintage cars, happy for the fact that he showed up in the sale, especially with honest documents.
"during the inspection of parts try rubbing the skin, copper has a distinctive red color" is a Great technique! It is only necessary to RUB on the eyes of the seller and in plain sight.
no direct pattern between year of release and the price
the same mass Ford T you can buy for a very humane amount
black-angel9666
Do you think in America the same organization as your who restored vintage cars, they can take over our auto industry? for example, the GAS 24
Yes Yes Yes
Do you think in America the same organization as your who restored vintage cars, they can take over our auto industry? for example, the GAS 24
Why I found this article?
After all, I was a normal person!
And now I want to look! Want to watch, to wait!
Want a classic car in your garage!
gro666
I was there, there was all the rules) of Course, if Lam just pour the floor of the house that he will arise 21вая Volga, and I in terms of sales and adds...
You want to buy a car, the age of 50, in new condition, cheaper than just made?
You just wrote that has never seen the Soviet machine in the living state
And what's with the ads?
Naturally, many owners want to recover the costs incurred to repair and maintain a decent condition of the car.
I was there, there was all the rules) of Course, if Lam just pour the floor of the house that he will arise 21вая Volga, and I in terms of sales and adds...
Visit any Museum, if you have the time and desire, the nearest is in g Ivanovo, "the Museum of the Soviet automobile industry"
I am not reasonable seen a Soviet car in good condition... only rusty chrome, gnilushi the bottom, and killed the engine)
only saw 2 copies in normal...saved them a wedge into the long years and long oblivion)
IMHO, the settings from the article for unreal Russia)
I agree that the choice of the vintage car need to be prudent in accordance with the fact that I want to get in the end. Either the car is suitable for real travel or exhibition copy. In 1997, I was shocked, when I rode in the Chevrolet Del Rey, 1957, just imported for a customer from USA, in excellent original condition ( L6,manual without power steering and the brake booster).I realized that the GAS 21, I went to the end of the 80s is no worse, and my even better was on the move! So expect miracles it is not necessary!