Not bit, do not paint other legends outbid
My friend is looking for a thoroughbred sports car for the next season: summer is over, prices have fallen — it's time to buy a variety of high-speed "exotic". One of the main contenders for the purchase of — a used mid-engine Porsche Cayman. 7-8 year old instances of small runs of bargain we have in the area of 30 thousand USD. Yes, that's the problem — these machines on the market extremely small: offer is limited to just a few instances that hang for months in the sale. And on one of the sites used car POPs up pretty at first glance, option: Cayman S 3.4 2007-year, good configuration and 33 thousand kilometers on the odometer.
Impatient friend already called the seller and agreed to inspection of the machine to an authorized service station, but just in case, threw a link to the ad I — say, look what you've heard/know of him. In such cases, I first punch the seller's phone number via Google. The search engine immediately gives dozens of other ads for the sale of different cars — so 100% of the broker. Although traders now have gone clever and often change SIM cards according to the principle: 1 car, 1 phone number, so if Google found nothing — yet the fact that sells the real owner.
The description of the car in the ad is composed in the brand "perekopska" style: "do not bit, do not paint, perfect condition" — in short, as usual))) In the pictures, this Cayman really looks good, but still I felt some sort of a trick. In addition, it seemed to me that somewhere I have seen that car: same color, same wheels.
Porshe)))
15 minutes of searching in your favorite Google and bingo: found a very interesting information on this "not broken, not painted" Porsche ! A little-known site of some provincial Newspapers and the news in the section "Accidents", dated already distant 2011 year.
"The driver of the Porsche lost control and crashed into a support with Billboard" — read the dry text notes. Just below is a gallery of photos of the broken German sports car that allows you to understand the scale of damage and destruction.
Of course, there is a tiny probability that this is another exactly the same Cayman of the same year, colour and with identical drives, but experience tells me the contrary... on the other hand, such an accident to a sports car — quite a common phenomenon and if the car is well restored, nothing mega to worry about it. But you need to immediately write about it and put a lower price to a potential buyer understand what you are going to deal with.
There are a number of simple rules that will allow you to save time, nerves and money when buying a used car:
1) avoid middlemen. The best option is to find a car from the first owner who bought it new in the cabin. As a variant — a person named in the registration certificate for at least the last 2-3 years. Any power of attorney or TP, received a few days/weeks ago — almost 99% sure sign of a huckster.
2) Always check the seller's phone number: Google can sometimes tell you a lot of interesting details. If the search engine produces a bunch of other ads on the same room — before you middleman.
3) Buy (rent is cheaper) device to check the thickness of the paintwork (paintwork). And let it cost you extra $ 100, but will allow you to easily identify emergency past models, without resorting to expensive specialized STO
4) If thickness is not turned, you should carefully examine the inscriptions on the glass and lamps. Optics must have the same marked left and right, and glass (in most cases) the same manufacturer. On broken cars usually inconsistency or cheap substitutes like Depo.
5) Study the service history of the car. It is better to give preference to cars with "transparent" biography and the completed service book with all stamps. Although these things are now also without any problems counterfeited.
6) the Real owners are also not always "God's dandelions" and lying, sometimes, worse outbid, so steps 3-5 are relevant for all vehicles. Yet again, some "honest outbid", which all tell, show and do not conceal their interest in the sale, but it is a rare, endangered species listed in the red book of the Russian automotive market. All successful purchases and sales!
LaGoosh
Also visit the thought of buying a Cayman or Carrera for the summer. We have a decent selection.
I wonder how they are expensive to maintain?
in principle not more priors, so feel free to buy, good investment.
Mihail2115
Just the owners of expensive cars usually have the means to proper recovery after an accident, they do in the official service and they do everything "by the book", and then change the damaged parts of the body, digest spot welded at the factory marks and then painted, the repair is not very scary, but cheap car owners are usually more economical, and no book to of service does
Doing on the left of the station cheaply, where stocks extended the auto "about" on the roulette podrihtuyut with a layer of filler 1-4mm and paint "on sale" because such a car in a short time will begin to serve up surprises in the form of curves, gaps, cracks in paintwork, the swelling of the paint, pulling to one side at speed, the shorter will be full of surprises.
Not a fact. Often budget, as You call them, a cheap car, are credit. And usually, a prerequisite is the hull with the restoration in of the service. For example my friends when doubt to take or not to take was not lazy and went to the service where they serviced the car. Learned all about it. Where was the makeup that was done. What they knew was confirmed. It seemed not critical they bought it. So as luck. The supercar can outbid to take and how you came to do.
80% of expensive cars insured and the repairs paid by insurance.Because such repairs basically goes through the official and normal quality.
The rich just not throw the money, because to sell a broken car will be cheap, and the whole is already at the normal price, although high-quality repair is not cheap, tutu already who wants to-will.
if a person has an expensive car doesn't mean he has the means.and if the person has money then why do it? sold-bought another...battered expensive and buy just these very services left to grab in the sale. dealer quality repair? people are the same everywhere you work, and the dealer can put a mountain of putty if the owner refuses to pay for the purchase of new parts.you just calm yourself!
Just the owners of expensive cars usually have the means to proper recovery after an accident, they do in the official service and they do everything "by the book", and then change the damaged parts of the body, digest spot welded at the factory marks and then painted, the repair is not very scary, but cheap car owners are usually more economical, and no book to of service does
Doing on the left of the station cheaply, where stocks extended the auto "about" on the roulette podrihtuyut with a layer of filler 1-4mm and paint "on sale" because such a car in a short time will begin to serve up surprises in the form of curves, gaps, cracks in paintwork, the swelling of the paint, pulling to one side at speed, the shorter will be full of surprises.
guys, explain to me so my question is not the first time I read the assertion that broken painted and wrapped in a knot earlier, a car with a price tag of 1500000 this is normal, just done was good, and the car with a price tag of for example 200 thousand and age more than 3 years broken and painted details, though made perfect, is that bad?
so there is color in your photo are different. The wing of the hood and from bumper.
With the written agreement!
Battered outbid nerves at the time.
There is another way to understand lying to you or not:
Tell the seller about his intention to check the car on the official service with full diagnostics and check the dashboard curled, whether mileage or not.
True for older cars with suspiciously low mileage.
From 3 buy the host was lost
Yes there are different cases. I took this neskrivaema dealers. But in our region such as mine for sale a little, so took it. No complaints, a couple of times drove to the service for examination and replacement of all fluids of the car, no particular defects.
About LKM. Our old outlander would have never passed this test did not carry us in the Parking lot, all fenders and one door painted, 3 bumper was replaced, but the damage was not critical, just unlucky.
Ivampire
Not really. In the United States and Canada, the seller is obliged to tell you everything he knows about what sells. Another prison or at least a fine and revocation of the license. And that is not a guarantee of course. After all, the seller can know not all...
they sell young Chicks blunt, like the representative who owes whom what to tell?..
to be honest guarded machine photo among glamo-garages, not that he had the colorful wings.
i.e. it sells "not out of circle", I would not even go watch it.
The article is interesting, as they say here — "If the beats — it means love!" So he got a*al about it post.
morchich
well, it's quite a unique case when you pokupaesh Porsche and diagnostics the official no money) companion for him and LPG can think to put?)
And filters to take from the car, just a little file work...
Vic4ka
video +5! friends also rented crestomer when buying. and half of the cases are clean not damaged not painted — was not REALLY perhaps the only paint on the roof.
painted not the fact that a solid, well ratavanne wing/menyanyi hood or tint is not quite broken, painted.
...and was probably painted only the left side!)) Th there right, all right!) It seems to me or jump on the roof there is generally very little visible.
and why she had to be legalized in Russia? The author from Kiev and, accordingly, his friend is also there
Broken machine(pictured) in the Luhansk rooms(Ukraine)
I wonder how it was legalized in Russia?
There is still the documents necessary to watch, that messed
Two thousand three hundred fifty
Maybe happens. But judging because for 30 years I such not one was caught — a rare case. And to hear that a used car then this is not it, then there is something missing — you have to hear every day several times...
I have personally seen a car from off of salon painted in a circle.Skoda after year.on the sink was tritala paint.through the court returned the money.Ford saw the rear badge peeled serez year.seen someone replaced potdelku in the cabin.A new car just past the TCI factory.and then it was loaded on the truck anyhow.in the way of her flying all the stones.unloads night inexperienced kid so be quick and sloppy.then she washes the floors cleaner that really does not know how to wash and arranged to pull.All the small shoals on a new car Polish.a major paint and sell a new car.Along the way in the cabin can be replaced with a new detail on the old thread a locksmith.because it's not his car and he do not care
well, I have had the experience of buying on credit...I bought a 2110 in a loan for 7 or 5 years, but paid for 3 or less, don't remember. But when I was 19 years old, it's like an excuse)), and never will do so. But the big problem of people in the CIS countries is not rational, the desire pantanosa. How many people in the comments wrote, saying if the little hatche, then no respect on the road...
Remember in his 19 years, laughed with the older guys rolling on the E34, which ran 5 gallons on my 2.5 and catching girls in the center, poured about will take you to a beautiful place, and in fact there was only gasoline on the way back home)))) At the same time, I ran 2110 20 liters and was not able to understand them.
You're all right write. I subscribe to your every phrase:
1. A new car is definitely less crap brings, especially during the first year and if to follow her, then later everything will be OK with it...
2. To sell in 3 years a new car can afford enough wealthy people, because the price falls by up to 50%.
3. And people who think they will buy a 3-year old car, and it will be like new, can very much be wrong. Quite often people who know that in 3 years buy a new one, and especially not to follow cars.
I also have one car loan is not bought. So why buy a used/have? Why buy a car for half a year? When you can buy a new one and follow it for many years.
here I agree with you, but not in all. The new machine is nice.He bought dozens of new, and before that was 2106 parent.A new car is definitely less crap brings, especially during the first year and if to follow her, then later everything will be OK with it...
Just when you buy a used car, then you need to look reality in the face. If you do not want to be vkladyvatsya in the car, and you don't know how it was treated before you, you have such a car to sell after a year and a half in extreme cases. And not the fact that during this period something will come out...Then it is possible not to lose on price, and it also will depend on the year...Sell after 3 years a new car can afford enough wealthy people, because the price falls by up to 50%. And people who think they will buy a 3-year old car, and it will be like new, can very much be wrong. Quite often people who know that in 3 years buy a new one, and especially not to follow cars.And as you know, can be for a year ushatat car...Because your option is the most sensible, but this is not about our people. Prejudice - Ponty, and so on. I'd bought himself a new car, but have other goals...And a car loan as it do not accept
The first, on which I traveled was bought by my father in 1981, a new motorway ВАЗ2101, I helped restore a little boy, learned to drive it, then went (right the school has received 30 years ago) and sold it to a good condition in 1992 (11 years).
The second bought me in 1991, 2106, drove from Togliatti. Served me faithfully for 15 years. Then 3 years stood in the garage and was presented in excellent condition in 2009 (18 years)! My favorite machine.
Third — also bought by myself in 1995, 2106, too, some time one stood in the garage, on the second go, while his wife in 1999 and have not received the right — immediately came to her. Sold in 2004 in a satisfactory condition. (9 years old).
I was still in my Daewoo Nakisa, new Rostov, which I bought in 1998 as a gift to his father, he on her 10 years of departure, and gave it to me. Bought in 2008 brand new Lancer X goes so far. I've used it for a year just traveled and bought an Impreza in 2009, and in late 2009 sold the Nexia (11 years) — it was generally the ideal, as said buyer, and have not seen 5 year old cars in better condition this 10-year-old.
Imprese go on for 7 years.
So it's like... All the cars were new. And only one of us drank blood! After the sale of cherry sixes in 2004, the wife wanted a foreign car. Bought from a friend, the only master, Nissan Primeru 1997 release. The car is 7 years old. The car is in excellent condition (went in Moscow), the previous owner never changed the suspension... but as it all start to break and crumble. Wife to tears, "one will do, another comes out", etc. money not to measure it vgrohali — the suspension, the starter, the alternator, the a / C compressor, the radiator... Parts are expensive. After 3 years sold it with relief! And bought a brand new Honda civic, which faithfully serves his wife of 8 years.
I see no reason to buy used cars, as well as to sell a new car after 3 years.
judging by your age and comment about 10-15 years, then a maximum of 2 you have bought a new car...And about cars imported from Europe or the States, is quite another story. Generally or in 99% of cases, nothing good comes from there does not bring...But check out the car. Of course there's very little likelihood that after having checked all you have after a while will not break something...But to check whether there was a car a bit, as it's possible.But today it can do very little car owners. Because in major cities and develop services avtomodelistov, which often themselves are beginning to understand the car at least a year of selection.
I have not tested none of the new car, and drove on them for 10-15 years. Beaten and repaired... No issues never been discovered.
This is a very rare cases, when restoring a new vehicle sold. And about the b/u every day I hear about the surprises from the previous owners. Even more serious happens than the veiled body. What is the thickness? Here recently the man bought a car in the United States, drove, traveled, and accidentally revealed when you set the alarm that she is missing the SRS unit Airbag and the light on the instrument panel, as it should be lit for a few seconds when the ignition is switched on. It turned out that cushion to shoot and seat belt pretensioners shoot. And a light bulb soldered snag. Recovery SRS expensive body repair And you performance will not test do not understand. And to me, 2-3 people per year with this problem are treated.
Or, for example, bought people the car put on the account. After a while he broke MDPS. He scores your VIN to the program selection of spare parts, and he gives the directory that it Gur. Suffered, suffered... Connect the scanner to the engine... and the ECU gives me a different VIN, and it is the same car, same color, same motor, only with MDPS! Check the theft — stolen in Moscow... And how do you check when buying?
sorry of course, but you're talking about all the cars that are bought new are sure? You all checked on their bytosti or Gracenote? Of course usually perekrasit different times is much rarer, but still.
Or you bought a new car, went, say, 3 years and sold? You do not check a new car with a feeler gauge? And if they themselves were not beaten and not painted, you won't even know that where it was repainted
Maybe happens. But judging because for 30 years I such not one was caught — a rare case. And to hear that a used car then this is not it, then there is something missing — you have to hear every day several times...
Two thousand three hundred fifty
I have a more severe rule — just don't buy used cars...
do you think the salon now does not happen?believe me, there are?
My wife can buy. Guarantee and behind. We only buy cars not for what they would sell, but in order to ride :))))
Two thousand three hundred fifty
Went daughter once a week and then only around the house...
I do not buy a car where a woman went)especially when they say
the wife and I drove carefully...very few women are neat and professional drivers, but there are also, ahah)
mirag80
Thickness is not a panacea. The added aluminum powder in the paint will bring to naught all attempts to measure.Look at the gaps, the plane at different angles, lift up the mats.In the end, any professional tinsmith say where Krasino or Bito.Do not take expensive.
the absence of result — too result. if the thickness at other auto shows normally. and this starts from the ceiling figures to take — means something is wrong.
if they (our masters) are still able to qualitatively restores car paintwork or rather
planted in my right side (fabia vrs) cattle 3ри times repainted in the end of 3 month nerve half the sum the masters
antisprut
Allow me to disagree. Outbid will not accurately restore the car, unlike the person who bought the cue for yourself.
a vicious circle. the owner broken in the accident will not be vkladyvatsya in a good parts and repair him only to sell. And the buyer finding exactly broken auto to restore the same will not invest half the cost for "quality". Anyway — nobody is interested the quality of restoration. Not economically feasible
there was a case comrade Nexia bought a 22 year old mileage the interior is clean ...the mirror in the cabin is not the seller said that the glass changed stone mirror did not have time to stick. looked windshield breathes in the upper corners . wrenched the wheel to the stop watch Custer see something similar to the GAZ 2410 in the evening switched on the lights of the middle light one in the sky another 3 metres from bumper. in the end, were sold in half a year.
She already did her, man came to the traffic police problem put was.Bought insurance for yourself, bother with a repair.Looks all class, does not know will not understand.Under the hood is also all the rules.Pillows not only stuck, it is dangerous.But I would not dare to buy, I don't know how to behave it on the road.
Maybe zapchpsti tell. Once I read the drive magazine the man with the hands, which in three days put the air conditioning on the car itself! (The benefit is where to put). The cost of new original parts before the crisis amounted to 40 thousand rubles + filling of 1.5 thousand (work not included):). And the new air-conditioned + a couple of Goodies (grade Gur or ESP) even in 2015, cost only 25 thousand more.
Wanted your BMW repaired after an accident, but finally admitted the total.Think well, God bless her.Gave insurance.So she sold the car in broken condition after 3 days.Not surprised that now it will make the minimum investment and will be sold as not battered/not painted, and the new owner even will not know.Buy here and so BU.The cat in the bag)
Yes, Yes it was in Severodonetsk and the article was here but something "dented" — nedelya.net.ua/news/sluhi...mobil-porsche/?mode=print
I do not remember where heard, but still in 4% of cases it's true. (however, in 96% of cases did the belt helps)
exactly. they don't need. also, like seat belts, because if not fastened, then you just out the car fykenet and all alive and happy :)
And the worst thing is when outbid does not install airbags. I bought a wrecked car and openly said that to put the two front air bags will not (why spend extra $ 300) ...
100%, recently I watched a superb 2008 6 thousand mileage, too, emerged the legend of bytosti in the cabin)) bochina all spackle
For several months, looking for the father of Octavia fresh. Bought a feeler gauge. Now for a check-up coming king, their last 5 shows the sellers were assured that the machines in the factory paint, but after seeing the device, was healed from amnesia and remembered "small podcasy" or born of the assumption that the machine beat is still new in the cabin. While the thickness shows the layers spackle. Without this wonderful tool to look for a car not worth it. He has already paid for itself.
ENZorina
Yes it is true in principle, the autocode is a good thing — helps to view all in the car, and if the owner is opposed to the test — that's exactly the problem, I don't even go to this. I was worn out with the TT, when title is lost, he is the second owner, loved and no money, open and see a lot of accidents and legal entity owners))) record was 12 pieces, about the accident silent)
shame it's only for Moscow and MO
Dumkopf
I have a friend who works for the official Porsche... You can not imagine))))
what? in the cabin, too, are dyed machine?
This is a small percentage of the total number of sold cars. A secondary roar 99% of the cars problems...
About new from the salon. A colleague at work at a well known dealer worked in the past (only foreign cars). The truck went into a ditch on its side. Out of 10-12 cars, only three went for parts and the rest for restoration and for the action or + rubber:)
So I'm going to do! And you will do fine, for years, for myself (not for sale) — I'm not going to skimp on quality. And the other one is patched, if only the appearance was and sell, and a year later the corrosion will climb — not to stop...
My car new was in the first year is hit in the back so the repair 155 000 rubles spent... And over the next 6 years, nothing manifested!
Two thousand three hundred fifty
I have a more severe rule — just don't buy used cars...
and if you do get hit, immediately run to sell? or simply was not the case, did not face? and then some blonde will hit your car no accidents, just paint and sell?
This story of a hundred years, I three years ago, read it in the Internet, it's just about your friend?
Learned on a photo from the accident of your hometown and heard about this accident, but was not in town at the time.Severodonetsk Lugansk region at the end of my 14-year
I had a case of "Vice versa".
Came to my friend (on the way we stopped, for a moment). Testdriver he was the day 2-year-old typewriter, who stood all this time in the garage of prodavan (been expecting it). Well, we walked with him "in a circle", I told him an interesting story about rich adventurous life of the machine. Well I did not ask that the man close his ears warmed. After my history with lucid explanations and facts, they're just each other is not killed... the guy keeps screaming about some kind of misunderstanding... )))
The movie is GOOD AND INSTRUCTIVE )))
Grandma...
Only boloshoy...
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