The eternal dispute: \\u0026quot;new vs. b/y\\u0026quot;. Aston Martin DB9 or the BMW 520i F10
DRIVE2 — a great website where I met so many cool people, with whom you can talk about the good, such as wine, cars. It is very unfortunate that often these people leave this site for various reasons:-(
But the Internet is not limited to the Drive. With many I keep in touch via Skype, Facebook and other means. Recently one of my pen pals I began a dispute. Slightly retouched and "illiterature" form submit it to your judgment. For the sake of fun we decided to put it in the public domain, that you, dear stravovanie could participate:-)
The essence of the dispute — that it is better to buy 2.500.000 rubles: beushnye Aston Martin DB9 or a new "empty" BMW 520i. I am the advocate of "novya from the salon" defend the honor "Bosacki", and my opponent (his text in italics for convenience) — seriously wants to buy himself an Aston Martin for the soul.
Aston Martin DB9
Aston Martin DB9 on a car.ru those are practically no, or rather there are several instances, but the prices of those that look sharp, biting, and as cheaper obviously, leaves much to be desired)
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New this machine will cost about 20 million Sought rarity 2005-2006 V. 2 – 2.5 million Difference is huge, despite the fact that the external it is almost negligible. Because classic never gets old!
Buddy! It was an old car. And it — was not spared. Think about it: she's 10 years old already. Many in this age of virginity lose. Bought it is clearly not in Church on the weekends to ride. And BMW — now it is new, only yours! Virgin!
This car I would have bought one even after hearing the name and seeing it in person, listen "Aston Martin DB9"... the Harmony of vowels and consonants raises in my mind the images of fatal beauties in evening gowns and chiseled studs, the highest of tailoring men's suits, cufflinks, sounds roulette and saxophone, the smell of cigars and the taste of single malt whiskey, the screech of tires on the bends of Monaco, the roar of the engine in the tunnel of the Monte Carlo, as well as phrases like "Vodka Martini, mixed, not stirred". Holy shit, next to that set of sensations ashamed to even utter the phrase "two million roubles". Especially when the current course. And the phrase "30 thousand dollars" not even respectfully. But nevertheless it is so. Due to changes in the market and because of the maturity of years, the legend became more accessible.
Yes, the BMW sounds much more mundane. But still — BMW sounds like a man! BMW! "Five"! This is a universal car! And a family to carry and go to work! And in front of the homies to hvastanut! This is German reliability! True reliability!
And Aston Martin? Even if you buy it — if you're going on it in Monaco? Even if risk — neither of which the screech of tires would be — well even if uneventful drive, with otvalov a fortune on gasoline.
The history of the car. This is undoubtedly its advantage. It is a British car brand that was formerly available only to the elite, each of which was collected by hand and with feeling, with properly, with deliberation. Find a clip on YouTube as before the Anglo-Saxons sold the Aston, it was the whole ceremony! You, being a gentleman, got there not only as recommendations, you spent for a luxury apartment, were treated to "the Widow Clicquot" and was brought into the room where stood Your "Aston", assembled on special order, with wood and leather you chose for yourself, is painted in colors the way you want...where are those times? Think about it, at the time, the Brits refused to sell Aston – Mike Tyson! Because it's like they considered did not correspond to this brand. Poor old Mike, and he at that time was already a star of the sport! More questions? Now, please, in the secondary, have bought, will not drink champagne, but I will not say that "you are not worthy of this machine"!
Here! Someone you have chosen precious woods, leather, and you'll be forced to go on what somebody else chose for you! And difficult choose — and ride in different modes, and obviously not in Church. And something I don't remember English cars were considered the standard of reliability. Charm is, I must admit. But in the repair and service staff you can splurge! You just count up: 2 cartoon the purchase, and then unscheduled repairs, expensive room service, the content, etc. And BMW — the usual, not particularly powerful sedan that is affordable is so hard to beat in operation will not. And in the showroom you, of course, "the Widow Clicquot" not buying, but it will be certainly better than outbid uncle Bob, who you this Aston will buy from owner in the Parking lot of the traffic police, where at that time Ashot in Dzhamshuta to buy VAZ 2106 standing in front of you in a queue.
History of the machines in the movie. What Brentani sat still in 60-e years in this car movie hero James bond – definitely a classy move! Although if someone has read Ian Flemming, he knows that bond drove the ancient Bentley, because the book was written in 40-50 years, it absolutely does not matter! Because the feeling that the car created just for bond!
And the BMW, therefore, bond didn't go?
This supercar! There it allow you to carry all the tabloids. This is a machine from the world of Ferrari and Lambo. If dry then this is the class called GT. At Ferrari, there for example, lives I love the F12 Berlinetta, which costs about 25 million. What is GT in my understanding? This is the car where you need to drive powerfully, but with the comforts from the hotel to the pier with the boat, while in Monte Carlo. This is the car, which you can try with the wind at Côte d'Azur. Well, at worst at night Moscow or tracks in Krasnaya Polyana. There's V12, but the comfort level is still quite acceptable to not take it to be dry and tough sport-cars, where you sit in the stiff carbon monocoque on the bucket, tied five-point strap, and from the window of your car is visible only the wheel standing next to the crossover or the exhaust pipe KAMAZ, it's someone as lucky. No, GT is more suited to normal roads.
And we are back to the service staff of this V12! And tell me where, where we unleash the potential of the GT? We won the crossovers not just popular. And Yes, buy the Aston Martin to once a week to try and to work every day on the bus.
Once again. V12! This is a huge hood and a huge engine inside Six liters, no turbo, only the most honest of atmosferico. Only the noblest and thick sound of the exhaust system.
Long silhouette machine, huge size and the cabin which will house comfortably even larger people.
Okay, beat. I admit it. But still — feed the beast painfully expensive. And given that car b.I... Think you're often on the bus ride than the V12's steer.
About the quality of the materials makes no sense to even speak. Because everything is cool. All usability, tactilely pleasant and pleasing to the eye. There's so fuckin ' inside, how can it be this shit if you're sitting in the English lounge, the London pub, on a soft leather sofa, the wood hissing in the fireplace, hands you a pint of good ale, and a portrait on the wall looking at you Byron. And you're not in a hurry. Because it doesn't need.
And BMW has the bad materials? Honestly — than the BMW materials worse? I think this is about tag — Aston exclusive, Yes. But what's in it except bluff?
Indeed, who can find this car on the "secondary market", in decent condition, he will not only find the car. He will find the THING will never sell and OTHER. He will find something really valuable and beautiful.
Buying that car you should not worry about such things as insurance, taxes, consumption and cost of spare parts. If even some of these swear words climb into your head to pass by this machine. Not worth it, yet.
No, dude, he will find no other — and maniac-a nympho. Who just raped his brain attendants. You must understand that the load to the Aston Martin will need to buy a new Lada Vesta and no one knows who will break more often. No need to believe in the tales of grandmothers and the Church. Because Aston is a vacuum cleaner. And B — sedan normal human. New!
BMW 520i F10
Look at the "baracco" — it's new. And rides decently — 8 seconds to a hundred. A little? On our roads of such dynamics for the eyes. Handling at the level of Caucasian streamers go with a Bang. What you do not like BMW?
Undoubtedly, I will send sincere feelings of love for the Bavarian sedan if it's not just 5, and M5 F10, which will not forget to add stuffing. After all, that is what I love BMW for a sense of drive and comfort. But the M5 is not worth 2 million, it is not much is not enough 5.5 million and add to this figure another 2 million if you want to see in the car, "little things" that set of options without which avtozhizn ' is not possible, we will receive 7.5 million output, the quintessence of Bavarian automotive industry, this rogue of a devil. But it is the pinnacle, it's a miracle. And we're talking about the mockery of the Bavarian automobile industry, or as they say now "vyser" — 520i in the most dead set. For a start, it is impossible for justice to mention one benefit of 520 minutes. This is a BMW. All. The End. Because this advantage only, it's the last one.
So stop! Wait a minute. What's wrong 520? This is a BMW? Yes — that's the nostril that's rear-wheel drive, here is a typical reference for BMW ergonomics, dynamics, she is also not deprived. Here's a look: a new car with a warranty! And it already has everything you need: spacious interior, decent dynamics for our roads. In this insurance, road tax, fuel consumption and service — all this is feasible and the wallet has not. The set is also worthy options: air conditioning, climate control, topography — what else is life need?
This machine is exactly what I like to call "creating marketers". It is for those who want "to feel and not to be". Although I always thought that everything in life should be otherwise. It is important "to be rather than to seem"! But in the modern world of tolerance, the false values and mind-blowing crops and substitution of concepts – it is, unfortunately, becomes possible.
But I think on the contrary. After all, you bought a new car — so you gave the money is not "uncle Vasya to buy" and the company BMW, because you money on a new BMW. And paying for it the firm helped to develop a new model five. So — you are the real hero BMW, for which the firm creates their cars. Some of the best machines. And perhaps precisely your money will go to create yet another movie about James bond and your money will be there to ride the BMW.
And pontorez — he would buy "used beushku" which looks more expensive than it is worth to show-off to throw. It is not accompanied by a luxury apartment, not treated the "Widow Clicquot" and didn't get into the room where he stood, "Aston", collected in his special order, with wood and leather that he chose for himself, painted in the colors of what he wanted He just bought a car from some other person. And it is still unknown in what condition.
Yes, but BMW is the only BMW on the outside! And only from afar. When examining closer, it is clear that. Say: "BMW is always COMING, coming down, RUSHING etc.". Yeah, of course 520-I belching. From the heart knocks all their force 180, 8 seconds to hundreds, although I think the Bavarians have a cunning trick, there's probably all of 10 seconds. It is painfully slow. During this time, could boil an egg, cooked coffee, fried bacon, someone dies and someone is born. The sound of the engine? Forget. What could be the sound of a four cylinder 2-liter? From the soup pot and then more volume. And the sound, well the sound is reminiscent of some "chirping", the sound of an annoying fly. You dare to boast in the Parking lot and open the hood? It is not necessary. I will ask you: "where's the motor"? Because it will be hidden somewhere deep in the huge engine Bay designed for a 5 liter V8 heart.
First, it is important not only dynamics, but also taxiing. I don't know how rulitsya Aston Martin with its heavy nose (V12 — no slouch) — not driving, but the BMW with a taxi, never had any problems — always with dignity, almost a reference. 180 forces? There Chasovoy 75 with a traffic light race satisfied and happy. But the tax penny. 8 seconds is a very decent result. The legendary BMW 525i E34 was slower. Sound? And Japanese turbochetverkami the sound is not better, but he has fans. And the little engine — less load on the front axle — and therefore the best weight, therefore better handling in turns.
And about to open the hood. Buddy! The owners of the cars hood open only to "omyvayki" pour! But the owner beushnye "Aston" the hood will keep permanently open. What do you think, why would good Samaritan VAS you a nice car to sell? As for me, a good car is the cow, which is needed most.
Wheels 17-th range resembles the wheel of an SUV, "caraceni" on the sedan. And please don't look inside this car! Because there at all is sad. There are seats with mechanical adjustments on the "rag"! It is "on the rag" and not as me recently in one of the salons, majestically corrected Manager: "This is not a cloth, this CLOTH"! No guys, it's a rag. Which rubs off and looks like a piece of greasy sweatshirts with time. And this is not the famous Bachowski "comfort" is not even "sports". It is generally some apparently acquired secretly from the Chinese.
Yet there is USB. And that's a record, because before and did not set. The same manufacturer will offer you radio, climate, even the two conditioning! And the ashtray with burning cigarette.
It's empty inside! Empty like the dude here? they call. No music, not Bang Olufsen, but what there is, not even hi Fi. There are no separate climate. No skin, not even pseudo-leather, which is put in the following configuration. No wood, aluminum, carbon fiber, Alcantara. No multimedia NBT which is famous for BMW, which includes all the electronic bells and whistles. No projection, no closers. Yes, in General nothing.
But it's new! Look here. When buying the Aston you will have to bring down the price to 2 million Stable, because the rest of the 500 thousand will be spent on expenses * elimination of "weeds." And it will be necessary not to forget to leave the money to buy the Lada Vesta as a "pedagogicznych". And No you can safely okazakishi package Special Edition which will eliminate a good half of those schools that you have mentioned. And — you get the car where you can drive every day and anywhere. And so you have to ride on the Lada Vesta, and only occasionally on weekends to take Aston Martin to poobrezali himself as James bond. Smekaesh? When you have a new BMW "five" you when all hands guy on a BMW "five". And when you beushnye Aston Martin of the day — you're the guy on "Lada" which he seems to have Aston Martin.
And now count up what is better: to drive for the average salon, but every day. Or to bathe in luxury but on the weekends. Maybe better to buy a BMW, and Aston Martin rental to take when you feel an urge to poobrezali yourself James bond?
Something like that. Friends, this entry — poll. Downstairs there are two comments I left for voting — don't hesitate to vote. Oh and don't forget to comment in the comments;-)
I believe that we need to take the Aston these machines are bought for show and evoke envy of others, and if this fellow is the purpose of a BMW or Aston, the latter will attract the eyes of passers-by in a few million times more than a BMW 520i)))
about the new BMW, heroism, blah-blah-blah, the guys in Germany do not care for customer in fact, it is important the profit, and not really they try, the quality of the machines is greatly reduced. In General, you need to throw at the car you can afford. to have Aston Martin can only the person who bought it. since the machine is expensive not only in purchase but also in maintenance and use. her grandmother needed. and this is clearly the machine is not for the province. and reliability of the Aston, like all Brit. auto doubtful. the more beushnye. it is better to Behe to buy. Standard enough options. I believe that the present driver first and foremost important dynamics, comfort, quality and appearance, and not options for a lot of dough that should be spread, which then falls strongly in price, if it goes on sale and which we do not enjoy in fact. As for me the most important features in a car are climate, power Windows, security system, adjust, music, cruise dolnakov, xenon. Also can the multifunction steering wheel for convenience. All the other gadgets in fact, udovolstviye feelings of inferiority. BMW 520 even in the runoff, many of these features are. For the money — it's a great car.
Take the money the new RS3. Aston will be faster, much safer and assembled better than BMW.
Will give the emotions in summer and winter.
Aston are good when fresh or new, about BMW a different story altogether.
It is the eternal dispute.
Which is better: a new, but simpler or used but steeper?
The same arguments and in price ranges much lower.
Text water water, barely read, no specifics, your opponent actually sits in pink glasses and as a naive 20 year old girlie saying — it's an Aston, it's history, the aristocracy, V12 , castles of the Queen of England, etc. it seems to me straight after saying he was thrilled and wet ecstasy rolled under the table)))) in General in a nutshell.For the money the wood is actually the wood is very expensive, the car is very capricious and buy her the latest money is only an idiot.When buying such a car in the garage ALREADY have the BMW 5 and the Lexus 570 , then I would understand buying this car purely to feel a bond and on the weekends to ride in the company of a beautiful lady)))) But if the author writes a person has actually 2.5 mil and he wants an Aston...what can I say... "curly to live not forbid"
Everyone makes the choice to buy a show-off that used in the yard was pleasing to the eye and to ride on the Lada Vesta or tram or just buy a good car (Beha, Audi, whatever ) and enjoy them in daily trips ))))
About the Aston — if in addition to the 2.5 million is more money - then definitely him. But I would buy the Lexus isf :) or m3
I wouldn't do anything, the car is not a luxury but a means of transportation, better in apartment "c pot" to take. IMHO
I would slightly broadened debate: a new, empty as a drum, mid-size sedan (A6, 520, E-class) and strong b/y premium.
Why not business class? Show me where BMW is a 2.5 units there is a motor?
Where normal sport — comfort features and excellent "nappe", where the climate is comfortable, the steering suspension?.. and these buns are not very cheap.
As for the 6-10 year old premium. Everything is also not very smooth. Buy at the very bottom of the market for such cars (Aston, Ferrari, Maserati, etc.)– guaranteed "prilipalo" in the amount equal to the purchase price.
If you have something to move your ass from point "A" to point "B" (tram / trolley / bus / car), if you have the patience and desire to pick your technical documentation on the car, to have parts and other gimor associated with servicing such machines, the "premium" for k$ 40.0++ will be quite happy to host on weekends and holidays, because 4 out of 7 days a week, in total it will be either THAT, or wait for weather.
And every day drive on e Aston in rain, mud, snow? Is it not nonsense?
In both cases, the choice of pontorez – "to appear and not to be" with a slightly different number gimor. Choice pragmatics – or the Japanese (Lexus/Toyota), or the German lower class, but with lots of options.
2 liters... pechalka))) he says the dude whose car is going to weave for 10 seconds. at best ahahaha
Aston of course good, but to empty my pockets quickly... But as an alternative to BMW with a motor 2 liters... really sad. maybe 30 thousand better е60м5 to take
Direct dispute of students. nothing to argue about, it's simple: if there are funds for the purchase and maintenance of a desired toy, then why not? But if "the last", what is there to expect.
Aston shit you Chicks will not peck))) it even no one will see even the remnant. Need BU red Ferrari to take then it will be the desired effect))
how to test the reality of the purchase?) so you can find fresh buyers and brandy for the sake of laughter to negotiate))))
You know, my dear. I'm willing to bet with You personally on 5000 roubles, say that he will buy it...not
who cares rag, cloth, or leather on sidehug? why open the hood? go all the tries, I rolled out of the salon a new BMW, life is good!
before the Evo x I almost bought the Aston, the car is a thoroughbred, with the proper approach and knowledge, room service is not more expensive than BMW ' s Mercedes, but it did not happen, everything was against the purchase, as a result of the way in MREO't Aston Martin came into the side
no, unfortunately there is no such price.
if someone where something from under the counter offers in an unknown condition and unknown circumstances — it does not mean that it is for everyone, in any quantity and within a reasonable time.
note that you still have not brought any proof of his words))
of course there are no prices))
you wanted to say, from 65K R one BU Faro without shipping and customs? www.ebay.com/itm/ASTON-MA...:4-MAAOSw7s5Xhpae&vxp=mtr
300K?))))) English\senscom ebee full headlights on an old Aston... from 15K rubles apiece BU delivery.
and that headlight on his 10-year-old is worth a thousand 300 ... anywhere except the official dealer not to buy it
All that said, your friend is basically true and I support this, but this applies to the cars 14-15 years who are under 20 Lyamov. And for 2 million, you can take ustanny perestanu that money is not enough to serve. In General, each you do not mind the distant, (no offense) you need to look ahead and think, "what will happen when I'll buy it".
Oh no, I'm the guy of the day. In my dreams I see a huge V12. And my old 5.8 atmospheric V12 genuinely love.
Modern BMW is not out of service, then what Aston is worse? Agree s\h is more expensive than, services are not so much tax, insurance. Having a new Beemer in the garage obviously need to have a second car, in which case get to work or wherever they need to, because I don't know what to expect from him tomorrow, the same is true about b\in Aston. About trim — a lot of the Studio which can and wooden inserts make for your taste, and skin to alter. Lastly about BMW quality finishes on the same E39 significantly better than the F10.
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520 is really a mockery for the Moscow taxi pools. Reliability there for a long time, machine for two years warranty? The author of the italics right) I would have bought Aston)
Aston of course! BMW sucks right now...but to take Aston when there is nothing for the soul of another murder and waste of money!
paid for by films about the agent 007
if he hadn't, nobody would not know about this brand is Aston Martin (at least in Russia),
for the automotive industry in the UK in recent years TSAT in deep crisis.
I think because of the huge national pride Jaguar sold to Indian company Tata (the manufacturer of minibuses :-)))) ?
BMW's commonplace for males, ASTON — for stylish men . Aston spectacular and exclusive . How many now on the roads of boomers and how much of Aston ?
The scenario is as old as the world. In 10 years someone will compare b/520 and brand new base, say, Polo or whatever the equivalent. Alternative to each other on the consumer properties are not cars, neither in one nor in other case, they have in common is the number of wheels. So you are arguing about different things, like comparing a loaf of bread and pineapple, and it is perhaps here, more the similarity will be. But it would be interesting to compare notes after a year of ownership and then another in three or four years, for example.
dealers are cheating everywhere! in Poland and in the United States (there is even a saying — how can I determine what the dealer is lying? if he opens his mouth it means he is lying) . this does not mean that everything is always shit sell, but to believe in fairy tales "good car attachment is not required, one grandmother for bread went" not worth it
Credit car usually a Bank selects and sells on its site. Only rarely when they are in good condition. Knowing that the machine will soon leave the Bank, the owners typically squeeze the last juices out of them.
Salons, including the ML, essentially the same outbid. Do not hesitate to cheat the customer. don't know how in Poland the situation is, but we do so.
Better still a used/have a car to buy from private owners.
The situation may be different. May urgently need money, or the car just did not like.
EngineerGarin
Not impressive, none of the options. The Aston old-fashioned interior and an impressive cost of maintenance. While the new BMW — komplektaciya drum. New Korean package is significantly richer.
So my choice for this amount — used BMW fresh year with little mileage. You can choose a decent motor and a fat package. In the interior still smell new car. It is possible to choose would be long, but worth it.
+++++ in our area among the BMW's many options in the salons at an attractive price with the ridiculous runs of 5-20 thousand
by the way is a mystery to me where in the salons of OD are taken and used cars with little mileage that is not even the warranty is over? where's the catch
bad creditability? or the car with the stocks which back the marriage, repaired and then sell?
Of course you can, it's a matter of owner's preference and his financial opportunities.
If I had this amount of free access, would take fresh Bavarian.
Not impressive, none of the options. The Aston old-fashioned interior and an impressive cost of maintenance. While the new BMW — komplektaciya drum. New Korean package is significantly richer.
So my choice for this amount — used BMW fresh year with little mileage. You can choose a decent motor and a fat package. In the interior still smell new car. It is possible to choose would be long, but worth it.
how can you put a BMW on a par with Aston-Martinaj, Jaguars and other Maserati?
BMW is the car suitable for everyday driving. be it three, five, or seven. and it will drive and perform their functions Popovski, whether new from the shop, or Belarusian city farmer
and the rest of the toys for the rich and self-indulgence. can be high before the gentlemen of the Golf club, but all of these miracle machines will not survive the harsh everyday operation with a trailer of potatoes and and aftermarket parts found on the car Zhlobin
I teoreteg I have all these machines there. take with a grain of truth/jokes — underline
Of Course Aston! I do not understand how can you compare? I would like to compare, it is necessary to compare at least the M5 and the Aston! But not BMW 2.0)) With the same success Aston can be compared with the Pasat 8m for example... the Cars are totally different class!
And all these stories about weight, about the service — say so in the first place theorists. I was also dissuaded from my car. For the same reasons, heavy motor, very expensive in service. But I took it, and very happy. Have exclusive car, which is Aston — huge speed.
the dialogue is rubbish, did not finish, but I would choose the Aston, and after the first failure came to light would have died happy. BMW is light sport middle managers. and Martin — pretentious British majorstua, it even the British could not afford.
All easy to solve. Aston Martin DB9 is not an option to buy, not to buy but to maintain it — no, let each ask checks for the service on this car and forget about it. BMW F10 sadness over 2.5 cartoon ? why is it. Better to do it as my take HCR goods for 1 million rubles in the portfolio which is included in unit cost when 6. And the rest of the money in his pocket. And the same designer and the same habits and komuto HCR more Aston like and I would with all the love дб9 would buy HCR.
I love it when people are not TSA begin to fork in the water and decide that it is better to buy.
The price of a BMW, of course, 1 million in the market day and is a bucket of juice and faux leather buy and only fools and generally it is better to take the Camry. Better yet, two.
Aston is a bucket and the attendants will be ruined, and then not sell. Show-off.
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And most of the comments from those who are sweeter than radish did not try, but the pictures on the Internet and comparing the price of the car.ru know everything about everything. There are also reviews online.