To trust or verify?

911old

I propose to introduce 3 categories of recovery
1. The official with observance of rules of VW
2. Not the official but in the service
3. In the garage without documents.
And let the buyer decide and select what's more interesting for him.

I saw the hood the XC90 colored "official", with dust, so alluring word "official" it all for distant people.

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Is Uncle Vasya in the garage will do better than the official and Vice versa.

I propose to introduce 3 categories of recovery
1. The official with observance of rules of VW
2. Not the official but in the service
3. In the garage without documents.
And let the buyer decide and select what's more interesting for him.

in this photo a whole new side panel ( was not on auto) and there will be no seams, welds will be under the rails and seals, and the thickness of the paintwork on this piece is thinner than repainted due to scratches. roofs don't always change with racks, often changing the roof panel also prihvatyvaya at points below the rails and below the top edge of the windshield ( is that the roof panel just prokleivaetsya on sealant ( the technology, not the farm)). even if the roof is BU, it can adversity the weld points and also to grab points ( even if there is only semiautomatic), amplifiers of the roof under the panels of the cabin, where the thickness is unlikely that anyone will climb and hardly anyone will to do it.
I agree, the thickness gauge can be useful, but it does not always show that the car had been in a serious accident. It can show the filler in the opening when you replace body parts, but not on this car. Therefore, choosing a car in the secondary market take your thickness, but it is better to take a man having an idea body repair.

When you change the roof on the b/C shnuju with parsing, then the donor is cut approximately in the middle of the uprights, respectively, the old cut is also on the racks. Then, if I try to do, first boil the amplifiers, and then the external sutures. Then it all grinds, and welds shpatlyuyutsya. With the sidewall pokerno the same cut off at the sills and then welded a new one. Spot welded only at the factory weld, all Kulibin work machine

potter27

This Skoda thickness will show a bunch of spotli in the openings where the weld is. Show spotly on the windshield frame and the roof. This will already be enough to abandon such a car

casinomar there is nothing to show. most likely it has varied roof panel — weld points ( not JOINTS) are under glass and under the rails, in the openings all the way through-side panel changed completely on the new welded point and will also be under the roof and under the rubber seal. the thickness of the paintwork on the sidewall will be less than on the repainted parts. Understand the author of junk on the resale fully, but the thickness does not always indicate it, especially the body repair. An example of work for gauge failure.

I don't know anything about this car, just took pictures in the Internet for example

potter27

There is not a sentence! Here's the other thing. Suppose, before you two absolutely identical cars at the same price, about one of them you know that he perevalne roof, the second all in the original.
What are you getting?

I'm certainly no expert, but the repair in the photo is paying off? If just as new to sell, and this is fraud, I believe. It's all about goals and the means of achieving it.

The sellers are all different, Yes. No one can be trusted! And the criteria are different, someone to repair several of the elements does not matter, and someone on the contrary. It is important to buy what you want for all the parameters

potter27

There is not a sentence! Here's the other thing. Suppose, before you two absolutely identical cars at the same price, about one of them you know that he perevalne roof, the second all in the original.
What are you getting?

Although moral monsters of course a lot of divorced, sell clunkers. I think the seller have more punch if the person is trustworthy and can be repaired to take.

potter27

There is not a sentence! Here's the other thing. Suppose, before you two absolutely identical cars at the same price, about one of them you know that he perevalne roof, the second all in the original.
What are you getting?

And I traveled on her floor of along and across Russia from St. Petersburg to Ebola, from Anapa to PERMI. Maybe just luck? I think the brand depends of course if the Chinese in the batch will fall, then definitely in a landfill, but if normal car which would not drive.

I have a simple example you gave, watch it all, of course. Just at the same price they sell completely different machines

In my not quite correct example, in addition to the roof to see what is it? Clearly if overcooked the rest of the options will be better for her. And two identical, I think still does not happen. I took his hand with straightened and painted the left wing and nothing... and to change yet I do not think.

There is not a sentence! Here's the other thing. Suppose, before you two absolutely identical cars at the same price, about one of them you know that he perevalne roof, the second all in the original.
What are you getting?

Five years ago overturned, the roof was reshaped and go, grief does not know. the car is already ten years old, 190 thousand went, changed only consumables, but in the little things. the accident is that the sentence?

There are few like you, most of all lies... it is not difficult to learn what is really with the car, just sometimes a lot of time on zhto goes: go see the car within 50-100km, come in and there stuff...

I agree. I like to sell when if I'm all talk and not want to not take it... I Think for the new host and the machine is better when the surprises do not emerge.

Everything in the car is important: the body and filling...

I actually found out after the fact. Bought the car from his father. And all this was revealed in Gomel, when found in the back of the service book. I do to the body are indifferent. Here the filling is another matter.

It's one thing when you talk about it and the documents show another thing, when you sell a car and say that everything in the original.
Different things, I agree

potter27

I've lost count how many times I wrote it))
Painting would be even able as in the factory, and what ever debris under the varnish, base all hell when you choose in "color" and etc...

I have my Laguna a bit more in Holland, what is the entry in the service book. About the replacement of hood, fenders and other things. The color was not even there, but it is noticeable only if at a certain angle on a Sunny day to watch. I anything terrible do not see this. Went through a lot of things in mechanics, the body is left for last.

In the technology of putty is usually allowed a serious downside — when skins in the wet. Skins in the wet — no dust, no clogged sandpaper, etc. Skins in the wet is much cheaper and easier than doing it dry (to the skins in the dry need a socket-a machine with a vacuum cleaner and respiratory protection...).
However, the putty, even when it is completely dry — hygroscopic (it allows water to pass through and absorbs moisture). Usually applied to spatlese to bare metal, and then hides in the wet and it can be weeks. During this time, the metal under layer of putty can easily paravati... Even if the pre-coating of filler primer and paint (which is water and gazonapolnitel), putty "fry" in the dryer and dry it out all the excess moisture (which I'm not sure), then rust is formed under the layer spotli have nowhere to stay. Rust will be "buried" under the LCP at the time (until it will not enter air and moisture). A "buried" under LKP moisture will soon lead to cracking of the paintwork...
Therefore, cars are plastered in wet usually then begin to "bloom" after a couple of years.
By the way, Skoda in the pictures on-the-go hides in the wet (the floor was littered with hoses for water, is a typical plastic "poltorashka" with a hole in the lid, everywhere could be seen the streaks of water from the filler dust)))

And racks ball thickness ?))

Yes, now these "experts" with the gauge — the car with a small truck.
The only problem is that this Bigfoot is such a weirdo with a thickness gauge misses with a whistle — Yes, painted the second layer over the factory layer. Yes, the passenger door has spackle.
And they painted the car just can't see it and most likely just does not know how to "see".
They have the same thickness!

I had a field I used in the tail and mane, and when the motor got tired and I had capital, I just sold the car to buy, and he washed her, palerno and sold your chudil with the thickness, so that the body, it was normal :)

from your example about the Yeti, there is a replacement iron as a whole, so unlikely that we can find the thickness...and even better if the Tinkers on the analysis of iron in shoot color, then paint over the current seams and to find the traces of repair in principle, not really be...

potter27

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and let others kill. Other people's children do not mind. they are strangers)))

Well, it's Lada 2109 any safer, but someone they want, even rotten.
By and large, so it is possible our avtotaz to blame, for the release from the conveyor threat auto

and what to do. someone who is easy.

money is money, but someone's life in this way is doomed. And maybe not even one

There was of course one option — scrap car value 230тыщ

before our children weighting on these pillows went. and no th. Pillows pillows, only a few of them are confused in the absence of brains we drove.

I've also changed when the compressor is learned that the bat...but knowing that instead of a pillow you can stick the resistor need not fly...and so I would certainly sell it too=) but new money is not.

money is money, but someone's life in this way is doomed. And maybe not even one

do you know another way to get the money back? I seriously doubt that prodavan it will take...

and let others kill. Other people's children do not mind. they are strangers)))

👍 I bought something like a car wife. I saw a picture from the inside only when the tow was set and crawled under the paneling in the trunk... there was even a peep from the cuts grinder, etc.
Had to sell quickly, because it was considered unsafe to transport children and the most my wife to ride.

Our former Renault Sandero was in an accident 5 times. The last 5 times there was just "total". But while the trial was on with the culprit, one of the persons who conducted the Troubleshooting suggested us for what is left of the car a decent amount. I asked again, saying "parts?". But he replied that he liked in principle, the vehicle, equipment, miserable mileage and he wants to restore it for himself. The more I was sure that I certainly will not sell either "corpse" or restored Frankenstein. Well, I can't lie and that's it! And who needs it after the windshield of total and generally broken-broken on all sides?! And then knowing and able all will do right, will go and rejoice. But, there it was! By fate we met a few months. It was just at this car. Damn, everything was done just super: that's really like off the line! Got to talking... All the old iron he was cut down and put in a new. The podkapotka and the bottom completely painted with the analysis of components and assemblies, stamped labels-markers as the plant, well, etc. of Course the car pulled on the slipway. Ie, a thickness generally the car was not bat or dyed! We have run for 2 years, it turned out, was only 12 thousand. Well, as a result, he sold the car as "almost new, my wife just didn't like it". Given the popularity of the car, he spent all of 2 days. Eventually earning, by my calculations about 80 thousand net. Divide into 3 months of work, we get +26 600 to the main RFP. Not bad! But that car now, did it lie at that man? Yes, he had an accident on someone else's SUV and in the process damaged another 5 cars at the intersection. And our former restored the car went in the other region. Hope she's OK and the owner is happy with every. So, people, never lie! Moreover, there who do not need to do! It will come back in 100крат! I hope my conscience is clean on this car? Or still needed to find the new owner and tell the whole story nichego former Santeria?
All success and good luck!

Lanos sold on an "as is", the questions on the "pre-sales", answered right back, well I perekrasyat elements because of a couple scratches, so then the soul venite "that the accident was", etc.
Just took off the price of the cost of the painting elements.

And Yes, the accident did not happen, but over a couple of ladies in the courtyard on the car was lapped(one of them still managed to deprive VU).

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It's a couple of examples of people( your fellow countryman) who found the machine almost no mistakes, at below market prices) Have cars, but they need to look! If we talk about the bones only car...kind of silly

Sometimes the engine cabin comes that's a shame
.but a whole hell find the most important thing that the whole Langeron was and the wings is a trifle

if you do then why not

Most people, like the author of the entry, of course I want to buy a used car in almost new condition, and even usually for the price not above the market. And then of course to sell more expensive, deneshki then probably everyone will find use ;-) Well, if you look with a more or less objective side... every car has its own value(the freebie does not count). If the car is used a lot in dense traffic(Yes, I'm talking about Moscow), then as they say "you're not so into you", well, a very rare exception. well, if not much broken car repairing technology, process normal anti-corrosion agents, then serve it will be the same as not broken. Yes, and thickness with orange peel paintwork it is possible to make the factory, the main competent master. ;-)

well, the Yeti and the gaps it is clear that not put in the ideal, so to the man of understanding will draw attention)

I in 2011, bought VAZ 2114 have been in the same trouble as this Yeti. Neither of which, year of departure, the experience of a lifetime left)

what's the point?well, does it make sense?thickness pfff what bird?b\u at any where Bito kinuta, there is no logic to look for a b\y chic as it is easier who wants to buy some sort of largus in the cabin in the credit...

Ah, once again I write about what the restored car is safe, but no one ever approached me with a request to find him a nice restored car. Even the arguments you all have are the same that all used cars with defects. And thickness you all hate it straight, even the words are the same you:)

A well-made machine will go for many more years. My father buys Total or close to it, restores and sells at the market price, pointing to buyer honestly about it. He has all the cars are taken away with the owner, he rides in this SUV. Because it makes the conscience. Been doing this all my life. Here I have a new Audi, and face is not perfect gaps. WHA restored flat pancake in the gaps.It is impossible to buy really living machine for cheap, so take people, even a line sometimes on the chassis model. There are no miracles. Because of the indiscriminate insanity on the thickness do not paint cars cheaper than 400-500. Sold Peugeot wife: 7 years mileage 70 thousand( took new). Call Painted the details there? No. And kazkami/preteroti? The roof and the left wing door. What about them? They are completely whole! In this case, all thin scratch on the whole right side, face chipped, rear bumper Kock. On washed car with 3 meters of defects are seen. Wife asked me to paint-I had to buy her a new car, because it painted such "experts" will determine how the trash( eventually sold at a price unbeaten minus the brushes. People looking for a car 7 years without scratching, with little mileage and no painted parts)) well, I saw these options, but the owner usually ask for inadequate money( Used is always a risk. Scary? Take new, but do not forget to check the back in the showroom) I do not hesitate to browse through the whole body, as in the market. Personally seen of friends cars out of the cabin, with poor repair until the debris in the varnish( according to employees of large showrooms up to 20-30% of the cars have minor body repairs. For me, if the price is adequate, then painted the details on the car in good condition is not a reason to immediately abandon the purchase. When looking for a this year the car went through four versions with unpainted bodywork, but the stuff in the units and wound the mileage that the purchase will pull much more money than even a bad repaint job.

I used also the thickness was not without him, but when he is, definitely not an extra device. In General, that I by and large do not care who is on what machine goes, I only find what I ask. And always ask the same thing-not bit, do not paint, and so forth, And such machines have, but junk is much more of course. And so I did nothing to persuade

When there was no money he went on the restored car that he bought from clear to me beaters. And travel they had a great couple of years, then gave small. And before that I bought six with the native paint, half a year did kapitalku engine, and a year paragi rotted( From the market after a severe accident would not afford to take, TK will not be able to determine how it was made. But this does not mean that it is impossible to recover well. Restored my car the shifter, did fine and went on. The thickness I am like any other appliance in the hands of the special he's just a busboy, in the hands of the layman and almost useless thing. Painted me as a car, and so thick were the guys. But if in the dark you can see the jambs and the clearance curves - definitely not worth buying. And safety in my humble opinion 80% is provided by the experience and accuracy of the driver.

const1990

And how broken new cars in showrooms? After all, when transporting raduetsa then approximately 30 percent of these machines. Okay they are not as serious damage, but still. My brother so the boss came across. Bought a new Mazda, and six months with the door paint started to climb. Of course the insurance said it he hit her and badly restored. In General, the court was. Found the driver who brought it. It was Mazda on its side fell from the second floor of the Transporter...
In the showrooms, too, with the feeler gauge will go?)

Of course we will, and so I did.

Even I will not argue. You do so, we have so. Yes, and I'm not talking about global renovations. Painting, replacing. Sometimes Yes, sometimes something will gloss over, for example, the angle zadnego wing... Oh Well. And the statistics I don't believe it is easy to forge as any other document :-)

Or an idiot, or very priuvelichivat. That is essentially the same. =) 30% or deny in the Dealership, or changed carrier. =) Every 3rd car, what is it? =) But new paint, it's true. But not more than 5% of the total number of delivered cars. Even less. (own statistics)...

The main mastermaker of our Toyota told :-)

const1990

And how broken new cars in showrooms? After all, when transporting raduetsa then approximately 30 percent of these machines. Okay they are not as serious damage, but still. My brother so the boss came across. Bought a new Mazda, and six months with the door paint started to climb. Of course the insurance said it he hit her and badly restored. In General, the court was. Found the driver who brought it. It was Mazda on its side fell from the second floor of the Transporter...
In the showrooms, too, with the feeler gauge will go?)

The. who told you about the straightening of the 30% of machines, or knows nothing about it, or blatantly lying. During transport, the damaged parts are changed. If to correct the damage applies welding or straightening, the repair fails and the car disposed of. The cost of insurance is huge, and believe me, no one will take that risk. Only if the dealer is a sheep and will do it all by yourself. Or driver. =)

Yes, we will

And how broken new cars in showrooms? After all, when transporting raduetsa then approximately 30 percent of these machines. Okay they are not as serious damage, but still. My brother so the boss came across. Bought a new Mazda, and six months with the door paint started to climb. Of course the insurance said it he hit her and badly restored. In General, the court was. Found the driver who brought it. It was Mazda on its side fell from the second floor of the Transporter...
In the showrooms, too, with the feeler gauge will go?)

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Myself, I will say the following: first and foremost, is to look at the welds where the rails are attached, where the strut to the spar. Perhaps much interesting instance worth a look under the skin. Especially in the trunk. Here, on the back — may well distribute. Well, in terms of protection from crime is to search the Internet, how to look and where to find the original VIN plate-ohms. What font they should be. I agree. All in the first place comes from the body. Hodovku, the engine and the electrician — can all be replaced. Hinged body too. And that's what this is all fixed is harder and more expensive. More time it will take.

Fear causes irritability. Is human psychology.
And in fact the article agree, though the strength of the metal is not pristine, especially after Assembly welding.

At the end of each post you want to add — please, I let You pick up a car for a modest fee ;-)

avtobotanik does everything fine at the factory seams all proveryaet and amps, so you could say he does, at the level

Ha, Bigfoot from avtomatyka)

And of course, as happens in all his reports on the restoration settling buckets, the owner of "did the car for him")))

When you have probably need to define your beliefs based on knowledge and experience, what is acceptable and what is not.
IMHO you need to very clearly understand that it is used, let the year, but used. And painted details is more the norm. The question of quantity and quality of repair.
Colored piece wing. The car rolled, neighbor ass backwards to drive can not, what can I say, he to reverse, twice, his bumper at the drawbar of the trailer...
And also consider myself to be an experienced driver with the experience.
So to find a car 5 years in the home paint is a great success.
It's just an excuse to bring down the price, and that is very dubious, because the item repaired and replaced.
Recently, micrometry became popular.
But not all know how to use it. In the right hands is a good thing, has much to tell.
For someone one colored item is the reason to put the purchase in question, but such manners only new cars to buy, and who is all 4 parts on the Board are painted in different colors -OK, will do.

That is certainly with Skoda worked Crazy hands. With mind and not say that it is dead. Yes, without the device on the purchase just to do nothing.

Thanks for the post

It's not that the car is restored, someone will buy it. The issue price then the appropriate should be.