\\u0026quot;More can not throw, it's in the negative\\u0026quot;. Purchase history
"More can not throw, so the minus" — this phrase I heard on a conservative estimate 20 times...
Tell your story, maybe useful to someone. Just a remark: such a scenario is not true in the source. I did it, someone is not going to work.
Was the end of may. Repairs in the apartment over. Sent his wife to her parents to rest. Think: "it's Time to change my lady."
Called to my good friends who worked in the sales system. Asked a bunch of questions, received training.
Postponed in the order of 20 thousand rupees to bronich machines that interest. Why? And without reservation is quite difficult to get your hands on the commercial offer, indicating prices and special stages. Even so have to insist that you printed everything and prescribed + is the concept of "bloodworms" among salespeople. Those who are marching to salons from nefig to do and not buying anything.
Camera. Motor. Go.
Episode 1. Start with a distant dealer!
Chose 3 of the dealership. A few criteria: location and those that are rumored to be "pour cars." These people should start with the furthest from home. Why? Because I will do the offer first, and competitors will always be able to kill him. And once again not to ride, you know))
Left a request for a call back. The Manager called back. Talked. Immediately gave him a clue that I would take out a small loan and hand over to the trade Institute. No word on discounts. Just a few days they had the "Night of sales". Well... as the night... They are already in the morning it starts. But in my case, however, it turned out the night.
After work jumped in the car. Defended in all caps. 20:00 I arrived on the scene. Found your Manager. Nice man, discreet, courteous. We even have friends in common, as revealed during the smoke break. Drank coffee. Went for a test drive. On the question of the Manager "How's the car?". Replied: "not bad, not Bad, but there are nuances". Then the Manager offered to test the three. Rode 320i xDrive M package.
At that time understood that such a three-I will not pull at all. 318i ordinary had not considered. Made it clear to the Manager that the M package is something I like, namely appearance, chair, steering wheel and a black ceiling. He noted in his head.
Returned to him at the table. He says: "And why not consider unity in the M Package? So worth it in the showroom. Let's see?". Went. Looked. Say: "it All depends on the offer." Manager: "You are now without a car will not go!". I said, "it All depends on YOUR specific proposals." Looked at the sign with a retail price in their salon such a grant of credit and trade ins offered for 1 750 000. Expensive.
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Full sizeAnd so, the show started at Verdi with three markers. Red, green, and black. To this scheme I was prepared.
The Manager has about 2-3 attempts to beat the price and he wrote it in BIG RED NUMBERS. Why? And you thought it was the edge!
The first sentence was really weak – a 1 670 000. And the Manager said bluntly: "I immediately head asked without preliminaries. Here's a good discount can give".
I did a complete Poker Face. Then he changed tactics: "you'll Have a new car. Maybe you'll see something useful in additional equipment?" Under this scheme I was aware of his close friend, who instructed how to behave in the Department of special stages.
There, I'm not particularly shy. Chose 10 hotelok, including a set of winter wheels, alarm, sound insulation, etc. Why? I knew for a dealer selling special stages is not only about money (not my case), but also a great way to throw off the price tag (there are nuances in the implementation of the plan and bonuses from BMW).
After the Manager asked me the standard question: "Tell me what out of this list for you supernaphim?". I pointed to the wheel Assembly, the sly, signalization, carpet and mesh grille. Also explained that in the case of good prices, will definitely use the service at registration. And added that zabrani car today.
Went out to smoke. Still had coffee. Return. Manager: "1 630 000 and everything I wanted for additional as a gift." Knowing that he has at most one more attempt before the arrival of the Senior salesman, I was told that will think and call back. Asked to stay. Well, again, all of thumb... for a smoke, povtykat in the phone.
Returns Manager: "1 590 000 and the stage". Here it was necessary to take a psychological break. Went to the credit Department, I immediately said to them that we believe are either my insurance or what. By the way, then spoke with a blogger Mashkov, he gives good advice. Suggest to watch it, here is a link to this video
CASCO responded merci asked to calculate GAPом (for them it is a plus).
Thanked the Manager and said I'd think about it. Of course, he mentioned that this price is only today, and well, blah blah blah. My question is: "Tomorrow morning if we make money, not sell?". He said, "Well, of course, sell".
Prior to joining a Senior Manager with the green marker remained a matter of minutes. If simple Manager writes in BIG RED DIGITS, Senior writes finer, but green. Makes it clear that they are coming to the meeting. And the numbers immature and are not as large. I had, of course, listen to a moment that unity in M package this super auto, etc. I asked without lyrics. Saying that so-and-so is Audi. Yeah, and I want to sleep for 11 hours. Left. Return. 1 570 000 and all the extras. I'm a little freaked out. Say, for the difference I could not wait. Went attempt number 2 for the green pencil. And so, 1 550 000 and all the extras. In the meantime, have 12, the lights went out, the cashier was gone, the people dispersed. Almost curtain.
Finally came down to us the head of sales Department (hereinafter ROP) Looks about 40. Pleasant to talk to. 5 minutes lyrics on automotive, life, difficulties, etc .. Tell him. Dear, already half past twelve. I want to sleep. They have wives call, the kids in the tube shouting dad, dad. I am not myself... Say to them: "Men, let me go, and you home, very uncomfortable in front of your family!". They flatly. Until you agree, I won't. And so we sat in the dark – I ROP, a Senior and my Manager. Of course, they are excellent psychologists. ROP is soft to the construction of speech, Senior Vice-versa with suspended indignation from the category of "what to think" and my Manager, who also wanted to sleep...
At that point I realized that it is too early for me to say the price at which kept in mind for the past hour. Say, "Lord, let your finelock. Not yet ready to say Yes." And immediately said: "no matter How today ended our negotiations, we make only the first step. Not the fact that I buy a car from you." They in one voice: "No b". Leave a Council at a computer. Think rumbleseat. Return. 1 535, and all the extras. And already a black marker with small numbers. Say dude, slow down, there's nowhere.
Then I realized that it was time to act. He wanted to sleep hellish, and another home on the ring road sawing at the other end of Moscow. Pretended that I freezes... I went into philosophical thoughts. The PMA asks: "Why are you hesitating? Say". I kind of hesitated. Say: "I PTS PTS confuses the figure 5 after one. I'm not ready psychologically for the unity so much to give". Then had to see the surprised faces, the applause, listen to 3 minutes of lyrics that is so BMW with m package. For the price people other machines buy, etc. again, I asked without lyrics. Reminded that the unity engine from lawn mowers worth it)))
Say... no... no STOP
It was a moment checking the eggs for strength. Like weird at the time didn't feel, I stood up, thanked everyone, shook hands, apologized again for wasting time on me and went to the door. Had nothing to lose.
They stopped me at the front porch. Said that if the number 5 is confusing the price of 1 499 000 and additional as a gift. The goal was achieved. Leave your booking the 10 th, receive a contract, invoice, prescription DOPA. Went home to sleep. Episode 1 was successfully completed.
PS separately, I would like to address the question of how much can be left as a reservation. I often managers say that 5-10 thousand it is not serious. You need at least 50-100. Nonsense. This is just a formality. 5-10 is fine. Do not get fooled.
Episode 2. It will very short. Came to the second dealer. Well... for decency test drive. Coffee. Show commercial offers. Out, counsel. 1 480 and all the extras. There is, however, a caveat... in the package will be 3 weeks minimum. Offer 318i 1 560. Say, such as what. Sued sensibly. From the 318i I will get only the size of three-pointers and the same engine from a lawnmower. Then, however, called back, offered a basic unity in 1 280. The price is good, but I m package. Bowed. Leave.
Episode 3. Wake up in the morning. In the evening my wife returned with their parents. I have a day to visit the closest dealer. Come to the place. Greeted by the Manager. By the way, very professional person who is for the customer makes all possible (I already knew then, when I took the car in trade in and it was the arrest, which I didn't)
+ while waiting for PTS riding on this beaut)
Full sizeAnd so, without a test drive. Just coffee. Give the offer from the first dealer with the contract. About the second tell in words. Just an attempt, two attempt. We get 1.45 and all the extras. Armor black m package.
I asked for more not to go anywhere. BUT! I promised the Manager from the first salon anyway to tell if there is a better option. Not lazy. Went there. Told in words. Even nothing to show it was not necessary. They PASS. Knew it was time to slow down.
My colleague, by the way, then wrote to all the dealers in Moscow. For the sake of interest. Nobody could beat the offer.
Ahead of me was waiting for the Trade-In procedure. I have to say, in my (not really mine, the mistake of the officers) fault it was delayed for an additional 2 weeks. And communicating with Department trade in is traded to the last. But, as they say, is another story.
July 7, I rolled the car out of DC and now ride on her.
Plus put the original mats
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did shumko arches (not spraying), the winter wheels Continental for the original disks (already brought to the country)
Plus here's a keychain
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You will not believe it, but the more people begin to earn, the more they begin to haggle and try to bring down the price while receiving the maximum discount/benefit. "Beg" is not very suitable to this case.
CIS is just a habit in business is this — to throw on top of 200-300% and "20-30%" at the same time wincing as if the last shirt give.
Among my former colleagues had two cases when too savvy buyers were more savvy sellers, who still have earned them in the end more than made a discount :)
Was the answer of the leader — sell for the sake of the stick. Manager just looked down and did their job. 3rd time in this thread again. Stop begging and earn more.
johnyboy84
Talk like a man who appreciates his work. And you want your whole life to work I had to deal with the same as you "ottimale". The conversation was over.
The "before "ottimale"" greetings from the 90s?
Employees of the salon could "appreciate your work" as You, but still sold the car, so made sense. Was the point for them...
Re0k
A Ukrainian and a Jew lost in the desert. Wander a few days. Suddenly I see 2 bags. Open in one food and water, and the other full of gold. A Jew grabs the bag of gold, a Ukrainian food takes. Jew gold to count, and Ukrainian ate, drank. Lying in the sun basking. The Jew thought-thought and to drink, there is something you want. He says:"And come on, Ukrainians in the market to play. You food drink will decompose as the market. I'm going to buy." Ukrainians agree. Spread: bacon, meat, sausage, beverages. The Jew fits, looks.
Jew:"And how much this piece of bacon is?"
Ukrainian:"a Bag of gold!"
Jew:"why so expensive?"
Ukrainian:"And you will pass through the market where it is cheaper!"
Author pretty boy "found cheaper", there would be in GMT as many of the salons may not have had such records and proposals darkness and almost every Manager starts to drive from the entrance of the crap myself a couple of months ago I experienced visiting per day 6 salons in Moscow. And the hull is less than 140 to not and not and it not and etc, that is me as the buyer obviously Magnus*JT. And why I can't stand in response?! We do not come to the salon and we are of op: "I see you clear kid, but we let you 250K skins and you'll pick up the car". Should*to have the brain the desires of profit, and who is there that nagasarete have negoations, the problems are not mine. The theme don't haggle and the more you earn it's all fun, but while you're looking for outlets to earn more, cars will become more expensive🤦♂ this And all that you "earned more than" turn into paper, so bargaining here👻
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about Shaw in salespeople, people with a conscience do not go, no one argues.
most would not be so unprincipled shmuck ;)
A Ukrainian and a Jew lost in the desert. Wander a few days. Suddenly I see 2 bags. Open in one food and water, and the other full of gold. A Jew grabs the bag of gold, a Ukrainian food takes. Jew gold to count, and Ukrainian ate, drank. Lying in the sun basking. The Jew thought-thought and to drink, there is something you want. He says:"And come on, Ukrainians in the market to play. You food drink will decompose as the market. I'm going to buy." Ukrainians agree. Spread: bacon, meat, sausage, beverages. The Jew fits, looks.
Jew:"And how much this piece of bacon is?"
Ukrainian:"a Bag of gold!"
Jew:"why so expensive?"
Ukrainian:"And you will pass through the market where it is cheaper!"
Author pretty boy "found cheaper", there would be in GMT as many of the salons may not have had such records and proposals darkness and almost every Manager starts to drive from the entrance of the crap myself a couple of months ago I experienced visiting per day 6 salons in Moscow. And the hull is less than 140 to not and not and it not and etc, that is me as the buyer obviously Magnus*JT. And why I can't stand in response?! We do not come to the salon and we are of op: "I see you clear kid, but we let you 250K skins and you'll pick up the car". Should*to have the brain the desires of profit, and who is there that nagasarete have negoations, the problems are not mine. The theme don't haggle and the more you earn it's all fun, but while you're looking for outlets to earn more, cars will become more expensive🤦♂ this And all that you "earned more than" turn into paper, so bargaining here👻
Well time has gone such booze have to say that confused unity in early prices )))
Cool, but there are a couple of errors.
1.took the car in showrooms, nobody demanded a Deposit. That is, it is actively demanded, but to commercial easily without it. Left a Deposit once. Worn out to return. Left it to the dealer.
2.you can never talk about tradine. We must first get all possible discounts, and then say that you have decided to take the car. And there should be a discount for delivery of the car. And then you are horrified to see that No discounts)))). Because at that stage, the reduction of prices entails lower prices for your car. You lose the same money. But to get a discount(as they promise) for trading after the commercial, this is real savings.
3.to take extra the dealer is a fraud. When I tired to argue, I'm just saying... What you amount me for the extra? They-100T. I do discount money 50,DOPA is not necessary. And believe me. I get much more))). The myth of mandatory signaling). Bump...require...type without it is impossible to buy... I Assure-you)
4.when buying on credit it is necessary to look about the same DOP-the interest, insurance, my friend did discounts and then advertise life insurance in 216000) and the interest-free loan! With a difference of 500000r when comparing the final price).
5.the main mistake-it is impossible to show that he is interested in the car. I usually nodded out the window, showed his car, bought new in the cabin and said just think!). Hooked-and then a couple of years quietly otesgo. And then, as the author wrote(many times stopped on the porch))). Also and brand. Always say, if there are good suggestions you have in the city as a whole, I just consider a different brand with the same characteristics.
PS Time was a joke, when selected Lada grant for work)))). The Manager is so tightly hooked on the ears, what you can do today to leave and take my car to offset. . Especially were persistent in the test drive) My words that this is a workhorse-not perceived in principle. Played by his rules!). Lit))) Wait they say buy, a pancake))) And ran outside to assess the 2 year old Mondeo))). I ran around and tried to figure out how I will be easier and better than in my former car, I'll get over it 2 frets or they will pay me in cash). Here it was the face of the Manager)))))
Apparently he is not in sales working and don't know what kind of bread. Assured that sell these 200 Tr put it in his pocket
That's how I wanted the same paint, but in the scrap) good! Correct to say, such customers are called)
Hi! Well then you're not quite "the Joker" the Joker who is not buying at all, you were Gunaram Shitbags it's people like you who are willing from 500 p to spend fifteen hundred to travel, to donate their time, etc., and then to think that raped the system, even raped you anyway, only a little less than the first dealer, but less than as much as the representation enables the dealer, after sales last year. That's Shitbags like you then typically revel in their pizzacato, and a month come to CDC ( center of body repair) because the boomerang rule has not been canceled and it works well. Repost is welcomed.
Doctor-Detroit
When you come premiumm, there is a bargain in itself is appropriate, unless it is a Toyota with a Lexus. And the Lexus is trading . But he acted like a whore or a Jackal if you want a piece of paper and ran to the neighbors and bought for 10 it is cheaper. Probably habit from childhood. And the dealer and I'm glad penny to die in zero ILT a small plus.
They have thrown off the price, and then three times more were given to the trade ine. That's all arithmetic.
DeniUs34
Stupid. You're going to buy, say, a smartphone. Are you looking for, where is cheaper?
I yeah, I when looking for gen iPhone I was not lazy and know all the end result of a 10 t saved
Well, exactly the same you will be treated to the savings Bank, the IFC, in shops, people need to be .
Doctor-Detroit
Let's say smartphones it's a different class of products with different pricing, you're not going to bargain for a smartphone 8 hours I will go to another store, in advance having studied prices on Yandex market and buy, and then this piece spent most valuable resource — time, his and others, about it, while it was traded, the Manager was able to deliver this liquid to another, more adequate person
When you buy other people's time means nothing. And just this is their job. Let them suffer
Yes, but I also work in the store network, the name will not say for PR reasons. But trust me, in the capital in nets is really possible to get a discount. I would say, especially in Moscow with a huge competition
So as not cool, you have a city center, a little bit different than Moscow, I would say at all)
Believe me, each day I come in and bargain for a smartphone, and a fridge, and a TV. And have to fold. Because one of the competitors coupons, anyone discount
Let's say smartphones it's a different class of products with different pricing, you're not going to bargain for a smartphone 8 hours I will go to another store, in advance having studied prices on Yandex market and buy, and then this piece spent most valuable resource — time, his and others, about it, while it was traded, the Manager was able to deliver this liquid to another, more adequate person
Stupid. You're going to buy, say, a smartphone. Are you looking for, where is cheaper?
He took the best offer, it is absolutely normal. Gave the dealer such a proposal — he would have taken it. But they didn't want, decided that it's better is a car on their right. Why he should be interested in the reasons why they can't or don't want to give the price because another dealer could give. So more interested, perhaps, or some other reason, but it should not matter. His task is to take where it is cheaper to give without losing quality — he fulfilled it, has every moral right. And the last dealer, besides, it is not 10K less than the proposed, and already on 50 — almost a piece of dollars. I think that a thousand dollars not lying on the road and it can be spent on more useful thing than the noble gestures to the dealers.
When you come premiumm, there is a bargain in itself is appropriate, unless it is a Toyota with a Lexus. And the Lexus is trading . But he acted like a whore or a Jackal if you want a piece of paper and ran to the neighbors and bought for 10 it is cheaper. Probably habit from childhood. And the dealer and I'm glad penny to die in zero ILT a small plus.
I do not understand what the commentators are unhappy and why insult your tediousness saved you 5 Grand in cash + expensive wheels, signal, noise insulation and carpets. All right, not lying on the road, no, damn it, need to come and buy in the forehead that you were raped.
Fedrych
The Manager wrote me a receipt that took the money. And in the morning he went and introduced for me
and back in the end or not? 3 times salon
The Manager wrote me a receipt that took the money. And in the morning he went and introduced for me
Hi. One question: how the left an advance of 10K at the closed ticket office in the first cabin?
It is true that dealers BMW more all throw down at the bargaining? Not the first time such posts, and read about them
Fedrych
The unity Assembly Germany :) you are right on very good price was taken away, handsome!
only he forgot to write that it was in 2014)) that is long ago and not true)
if the seller says sells in the negative — it's the most vile nonsense on what he can provide! after such statements already to buy not particularly want to
I was, frankly, annoying it. Come in premium, and the feeling, as in the Turkish market. Yes, this cumulative margin is frozen at all: "And let us Napalm You are in a trade-ine, and part of the lost money will refund You the discount? And then we have another half-cabin loafers sits, asks to eat."
Car probably fell of the truck, that leaked.if other salons know That the interior of the dumping prices that will immediately complain, and the salon will lose all the bonuses, and even impose sanctions.miracles do not happen.Although our people in cerberi believe after MMM.Respect the author has achieved what he wanted more than 1000 reviews.cool👌
Interesting article, in my own experience I can say that trademe cheaper than 500 thousand to change the car is not worth crap and only )
I worked as a Manager, as Audi, author of the handsome! Without needlove, chose the best price, organizing FAIR competition between dealers! Hats off!