The minivans. What will you choose?
Full size7-seater Sorento and 8-seater Sedona with a similar engine has a much more different personalities and comfort level. Van is very smooth and impressive.
It is high time to replace your battered Astro Van. The idea to change the car arose not today, but since the car was originally supposed to be the second in the family, I began a search of used minivans and SUV's – what I had not considered! Like everything from Honda Odyssey 2005-2010 years before Lincoln Navigator – what does it look solid.
My van Chevrolet Astro Van — 2002, 197,500 miles. Unfortunately, active rust and comes in negodnost. Trying to sell for a long time, but really the money for it, nobody has offered me. Willing to sell for $1500.
But this year I started very closely to study tax law, and found that it turns out you can quite legally write off the second car in the family from taxes, but the car needs to fall under a number of options – more than 50% of the time be used for business, match the curb weight of 6,000 to 14,000 pounds (approximately 2,75 – 6,5 tons). Details, who should be looking for section 179 on the IRS website (tax service). Because, along with those arriving and those departing kinsmen, my family is big, then the machine must be at least 7 seats. Remove the pickups do not fit (although I like RAM and Tundra). Large SUV type Toyota Sequoia, Chevy Suburban or Ford Expedition fit on weight and the landing to the formula, but they are HUGE (the wife refuses to sit in them for the wheel), are expensive, and guzzle gasoline like a blind horse.
Is the choice limited to minivans? It turns out that way. And then I go by the formula, the more expensive the car, the better to write off taxes (depreciation of money going out more), so I started searching for a new and very recent cars with mileage no more than 30,000 miles. By weight, my list includes 4 models: 2015-2018 Kia Sedona, Chrysler Pacifica 2017-2018, 2018 Honda Odyssey and legacy, and produced with 2007 Dodge Caravan.
Last, I decided to discard because it is outdated both morally and physically, and I want all the same from car to high, not ordinary popovska. Unfortunately, the requirements for curb weight was excluded from the list are two decent minivan – Toyota Sienna and Nissan Quest. I went and tried on in the past. Nissan is just super for the amount of space in the cabin, but the CVT on the powerful V6 motor me a little. Sienna just nice and simple van, reliable but quite expensive, respectively.
Let us return to our sheep! The first consideration was the Kia Sedona behind the wheel of this car I spent the most time. She is captivating masculine design (this is my personal opinion) both inside and outside, proven technique (about the same motor as on our Sorento), and perhaps the best ratio of price and quality. I found the remaining deposits machines in the top versions (released in early 2017) at a price $29.900 for the SX version and $34.000 for the SX Limited. The only thing annoying me is this car – it has quite a bit of legroom. My height is 189-190 cm, I couldn't push the chair as far as I would like. Given that the car will be taken on the "long haul" — this is a very significant drawback. By the way, my Astro is also not a lot of places, but there makes a much more vertical, freight, landing.
Full sizevan Such 2017 I drove from Pittsburgh to the airport in new York city and back. Really liked it, but not appearance. Rims too small, the color to me is very sad...
Full sizeEven in the extended version of LX minivan pleasing leather interior and a large screen on the console.
Full sizethe car version of the SX listed for $29,900 — if not for the lack of space behind the wheel, probably would have been the candidate number 1 in my fleet.
Full sizecabin Design very much, especially the lower part of the buttons for some reason napomnit modern BMW. The multimedia screen could have done more, but the car entered the market in 2014, it is necessary to make the amendment, and it...
Full sizeRear passenger quite comfortable. And the driver's seat adjusted for me, a person growth of 190 cm
Full sizeIs two black Limited-and that are unsold at the dealer 5 minutes from my house. The seller was so unpleasant that discourage hunting something to buy here. Don't like it when there's pressure on me when making decisions.
Full sizethe Most manly of them all. This style I really like!
Then I went to the Chrysler dealer where we drove to 2018 Pacifica Touring in release L Plus – not the top, but with a price tag of $32.950. I was able to pack almost perfect, she is very new and modern inside, noticeably quieter than the previous generation Town and Country, has time-tested V6 engine Pentastar 3.6 packaged with a 9-speed transmission. In parallel, as the search found a lot of employee's options, but without the pearl buttons. At the moment the best price for this van is $34600 for the Limited version, but without 20-inch wheels, Parking system and rear DVD system (with all these options the price tag rises to $39000). Salon looking for only black and brown, he is a most extraordinary and, moreover, practical. Another negative is the mediocre seat in the middle row – they are very small and flat. Also, with me sitting behind the wheel, there will remain not much legroom. But since there will most likely sit the kids (or mother-in-law) is not a big problem.
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Full sizeShow room of Chrysler. Unfortunately, on the Assembly line under this brand are produced only pasifika and outdated 300th! But fresh the 200th series was removed from the conveyor. Something went wrong...
Full sizedesign is a bit more feminine, but sitting inside I'm not going to see.
Full sizeBlack leather — approx. But the white bottom and door cards — not practical.
Full sizeUnder the hood the well-known atmospheric Pentastar 3.6 liters.
Full sizeAnd this one year old van with mileage in nearly 50,000 miles! Moreover, the cabin is not usatan that delivers good quality materials. I hope. Designated driving — shaft!
Full sizeModern. Glad quadratic screen of 8.4 inches. Control box — in round washer, no linkage-selector.
2018 Honda Odyssey is the newest and most expensive van, even picking EX-L will cost as much as a top Kia Sedona. But to look at it too. Despite the price, it has the highest value in the market and so it will be less to lose in price. Salon and liked it and no – for my taste too "futuristic" for a family van, though made in a way that smacks of Chinese. More road Touring and Elite are 40,000 and more, making the purchase of a car slip for the family budget. By the way, the place behind the wheel of a little more than the Kia, but not nearly as roomy as the Chrysler!
Full sizeWhite color now in Vogue. Average grade is EX-L. the market of minivans he came the last, hence the fresh design. The design of the wheels in this version is boring.
Full sizedue to the design of the car is recognizable in the flow. Soaring roof here in the topic!
Full sizeSofa in the middle row. Seats are wrapped in upholstery with a zipper, if one of the children vary, can always be removed and washed or even replaced.
Full sizeSalon futuristic, but the execution is pretty mediocre. Control box buttons on the Central console. Need to get used to. By the way, the car drives very well, but the test drive was having a very short — no more than 10 minutes. Was in a hurry.
Full sizeBlue. I like it more white. Good to see them selling out at the dealer (not small!) there were only two such!
Conclusion: at the moment inclined to Chrysler, it's the most spacious for me, has many options, the top-end configuration is extremely stuffed. There is a version Hybrid – but it is not as effective and also much more expensive. They have just bomber the color is brick-orange, as they themselves say Nickel-copper, copper. I want exactly this on 20-inch wheels. Gradually start finding my desired option. Naturally, at a tolerable price, I will not much focus on his color or size wheel.
P. S. To the credit of the KIA, I must say that their van for me has only one drawback – the space for driver's legs. So if someone will decide and while he was shorter than me – I highly recommend this car. I went over 800 miles and I know whereof I speak! On a Honda I probably haven't earned... and from the beginning I do not lie to him a soul... And what advise you?
maxx-usa
Because you mistakenly perceive as American. It is in the past. Yes, before the 90th, it was a MACHINE. Let. Not the most high-tech, but reliable! On the road you can see hundreds of American cars of the 80s and 90s model years. Not collectible, but simply carting around people from work and home. And the Japanese, which was also sold many UNITS. Now the scales tipped to the Japanese and Koreans. They are safer, more interesting in design, is economical. Take my Astro. However, he was not brutal, he is not very reliable, rust, plastic is terrible and the whole cabin rattles... It's just a small example. And by a lot. Even the new Caddy — misery. Thank you. I even Pacifica warily watching, honestly, do not believe in American quality... of Pacifica is no, the touchscreen is dead. Because the part where the XS are made, if only it was cheaper. That's life and I'm not willing to pay for some shit, just to be a patriot.
And not in vain, to Sorrento I testdrive new Dodge Journey. The car greeted me with a sweaty left headlamp early in the morning on a dealer lot, it gets better закли6ивающие slide the 2nd row while trying to get to 3mu. Delays without any protection hanging almost to the ground to blocks of ABS on the wheels, this means if I catch the flying box or some debris from bedolagi ahead of me on the highway, NetHack that StoreMore. Out of interest still pojavil her when I entered the exit at 50mph, the roll went, that thought is now nose to my mark on the asphalt, here it is the much-vaunted American soft suspension :) at this point, I decided everything for myself. :)
Although I have the head frozen in Sorrento so it is even hard reset could not bring it from a loop to restart, changed under warranty. So with the media all the trouble.
As they said in Soviet times, the best fish is meat, the best meat is the sausage, and the best sausage is a stocking with money. So I will answer this: the best bus — the Volvo XC90 :-)
NovyPolzovatel
Because for Russian roads two-ton pot on semenovskoy hodowca. Because Russia is not the second car in the family, and povedena, which means senseless air transportation from poncia a to point B in 80% of track time. Hence arises the increased cost of gasoline and maintenance. In short useless and pointless car.
The cost of transportation for 2 people in a three-ton seven-seater wagon, at 24 km (the power here is expensive)
mrCapone
Google says:
Pacifica 32.3
Subur 39.3
But that's not the case, and the usability of this space. In any minivan in the third row things should be laid in the mountain and if it is necessary to take on the road, all over this mountain it is necessary to disassemble. And Subura to the common trunk of the wagon, much nicer.
P. S. I Know whereof I speak, was both Suboor and a minivan.
The prices are wild. $35.000-40.000 is a used Chevy new in box... About the GMC / Caddilac I already am silent... Very expensive prices...
I made a mistake with their numbers, it turns out.
The difference in the format of the trunk is, but not impressive.
And minivans are also different, what it is?
And no one disputes, SUV — very practical format, my last 5 cars are: minivan -> SUV -> SUV -> SUV -> car, and back to the SUV is not pulling. Moreover, one of these SUVs is on drivee and desire to drive it does not cause do, I will change it to something electrical.
Google says:
Pacifica 32.3
Subur 39.3
But that's not the case, and the usability of this space. In any minivan in the third row things should be laid in the mountain and if it is necessary to take on the road, all over this mountain it is necessary to disassemble. And Subura to the common trunk of the wagon, much nicer.
P. S. I Know whereof I speak, was both Suboor and a minivan.
mrCapone
Funny Subura is that if you want to go with a company of 6-8 persons across the country, you don't have to sculpt the roof rack, the whole Luggage is placed inside. None of the minivans will not be allowed to do so. And even if the same van load as Subur, he ass will be scratching the asphalt. I almost forgot, 8 persons inside, all of their stuff in the trunk and the trailer is still possible to throw, a boat or a water motorcycle, but at least camper. Here's the trick Subura, it is much more versatile than it seems.
We must campaign to put my old man in here and tell about his adventures.
Can be numbers, how many he has with all the seats laid out? In the Pacific for the third row — 39 cu ft.
supernova175
Only The Chrysler Pacifica!, of the three, IMHO, as kreileroord say )))
That is so true bro! :)
Phrase :
"The design is a little more feminine, but sitting inside I'm not going to see".
*mist just )))
Honda!
If resale is higher then the original price and to be pressed down.After all, any car need to sell.
drive-safely
Then the next option is even more not on the list, but have You thought about MB Sprinter, Ford Transit or Nissan НВ200?
Then Hyundai H1 or Toyota Alphard
AA well, then another thing, just reading the post about the Hyundai H1 I thought. Very convenient in this car
There is no sense to consider the fact that we have not sold and are not certified. So I have to choose only from three models.
ODA
Damn, what a America. Where is the petrol V8 on carbs?(((( Time has passed...
In the ' 80s. Their time has passed and it is good that the US kept pace with the rest of the automotive world.
Bort735
All other listed and even available for sale in Europe, I am thinking to take used Sedona. In Europe went under the name Carnival.
Price-quality is above praise.
I personally it problem fit. The rest do not see serious shortcomings.
I know Russian people in the comments: "Predica take...diesel...four-wheel drive is better...take a hundred...a new kruzak kruzak for the money it is better to take...what is the point in the minivan...get better...Tahoe, suburban...". Practicality is not about us. Pont is paramount. There was a comment about Tahoe 99go year, looked for in Russia, the average price is about 7000$.
Yes, the taxable portion is reduced. If the machine falls under a number of criteria and is used for business purposes more than 50%.
It is legal to write off the second car in the family from taxes, if the van is used for business : what is it like ? Just less taxes you will pay ?
The way it is.
Even something as absurdly looks!
although the city is that: consumption is small, the trunk is large, relative to the hatch and sedan are made to the platform.
so "Winnie the Pooh" is a little 1 — 1,3 — 1.5 -liter engine?
a man — machine needed!
maxx-usa
Probably the stereotypes. You are very expensive, and for the same money you can buy a car more prestigious. In America, minivans are very affordable.
Unas now more popular Toyota Funcargo.)
SHAKL
excellent vans.
I do not understand why Raschke popular all these machines.excellent
so what's the price for them will there? to rush they're all low, but for a price tag of 3-4 Leman can zhip take the same amount of internal, but allowing for small about our areas
automaniac
It may be confusing. Front-wheel drive. Van square.
it was a L-300, Delica but with PP, wait only prolem left, more have MMS vans was not the only one too Hyundaya-N-1 this way the same car
at us such is not present, the previous worked beads of high class, but there are some things that annoyed me in it to impossible
qewer
Toyotw Al'pard, Mercedes Vito...
Toyota mass is not about Vito will not say, but he years of their dense Viano long been replaced
The main convenience of the people, take the one where you and the family enough space.
Nakusatsu
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These Previi old and run still. Probably nowhere else and no.
maxx-usa
They are old. On roads they are not. Looks or not reliable or convenient. I never saw them. Honestly.
They were normal - just old already. We still run.
KPD
This old car for comfort and reliability is better than Kia.
And most importantly it's American!
Like, here's how living in the US to buy non-American cars. How can I say no matter what the Americans do best!
And even Tahoe 2008 obviously cannot be called a pile of metal.
I can understand when in Russia, buy a Kia. We Americans are very expensive and not everyone can afford to buy them, but in the US, then what is the problem...
Hike degradation everywhere everywhere give a guarantee and savings...this world is nothing to save :((((
In Tahoe, the cabin even shittier quality than any Kia.
KPD
To turn around and puke...
Here you burn about Koreans!😁
You have a child in a Korean car hurt?😁
You went to the Escalade? I went 2008 - salon shit, everything breaks down and bursts in his hands. Outer door handle off. All chrome on outside shit, wheels chrome - colored just is paint under the chrome peeling shamelessly. It is a small share of shortcomings.
KPD
Strongly disagree!
Take the Tahoe and Escalade are the most reliable SUV we have. Rovers, BMW, Mercedes, infiniti, Kruzak all of them are falling down and the owners of these buckets continuously climbs from the services. Tahoe and Escalade generally trouble-free cars, buy and ride, then another after you buy it and a grief will not know
Just don't slag any kind of focus or pseudocapsule like Lacetti or Cruze or captive zapisivat in American cars.
Caddy misery in what place? Any Cadillac is gorgeous and a very reliable car, unlike its competitors such as BMW and Mercedes, which from the owner of suck money at an astonishing rate.
Astro for almost 20 years, it is logical that rust, I doubt that you did it anticorrosive.
Cadillac quality interior as China.
Kid - I have been dealing with big cars unlike you. This shit like the focus and the Aveo and the Americans?
KPD
What? Certainly better than the Korean or Japanese stuff.
No better contemporary American - worse.
No. Much gemorno. Only the Mercedes Metris, (V class), and conditionally Europeans Transit and RAM ProMaster (your Fiat Ducato).
I would Chrysler took while living in the States, a purely American big comfortable car with a powerful engine!
Toyota is a theme picked up and no headache the next 5 years) pofik technology, take Toyota for reliability, want to combine with comfort? buy a Lexus
anton-tomas
it is a pity that in Russia don't get accustomed this class of cars.
Because marketers do not want to work and train to minivans. The sneakers are accustomed and they cost about the same as minivans.
I agree. He's not bad. But it is already obsolete. Kia is quieter and more comfortable came. Kia in the service staff, too, penny. Almost everything from the Sorento there.
By the way Dodge Grand Caravan is not so bad if mostly for business to take the GT with leather and all the cakes with mileage less than 40K you can take up to 15K. Again, the service staff is cheap.
deadHorse
And on the black plastic, sand and clay dry isn't visible? My experience says the opposite, black plastic not only that sad (not to speak about premium where materials of a different quality), and dust is visible as soon as the black car. If the dust is not smut, of course.
I took now a dark bottom and light top. What you need!
Varies from state to state. We and the clay is found. But overall we are cleaner than you. I shoes rarely clean. In Moldova dirty much faster.
Maybe in America even the dirt is not the same as ours? What is there then, black earth? :)