Everything you wanted to know about THICKNESS, but were afraid to ask
In today's lesson we will examine the operation of the thickness gauge and find out how interesting they all poke.
Despite the legends about the miraculous property of this device, thickness wound does not determine the mileage, not burning the red light at the approach of evil outbid and absolutely no effect on your cravings to alcohol.
It just measures the thickness of the layer of the paint coating (LPC). Usually from the factory the car comes painted in a single layer. While for simplicity we assume that the thickness of this layer is close to 100 microns (it 0.1 mm), and of course all over the body it is the same.
Full sizeJewel collection: measurement of the thickness of the paintwork on the BMW 8-series concept.
In the openings of the factory thickness of the layer in the majority of cases less: 50-70 microns
Full sizethe Thickness of the paintwork in the openings is smaller than the external parts, but not in 2 times, and typically 30-50 microns
When body repair detail RICHT, "output" damaged surface application of special materials (in the vernacular putty), and re-paint. Putty and re-paint layer increases the overall thickness of the layer (usually at least twice), this will tell you the thickness. Ie if the part is repaired after an accident – just put the feeler gauge, and then poke them in the nose (or somewhere else) the evil seller.
However, the experience of daily inspections of recent years shows that not only can you not be upset if you forgot your calipers at home, but not sweating, if you do not have it! For values above the norm are rare, although Perekrestov and repairs after the accident did not become less.
In common, this phenomenon is called "to paint the calipers". But about all under the order.
First and most importantly – how much it should be?
To make it easier to remember should be 100 microns (plus or minus). And 100 microns all over the car where no point.
For many Japanese, the characteristic thickness of about 80 microns.
Full sizeTraditionally Japanese color layer of a minimum thickness of about 80 microns. And of course krolowa on the paint leads to logical consequences.
Oddly enough, these same values are characteristic of Gelek,
Full sizeSurprisingly, the G-class also color is not particularly generous. Standard colours thickness of 70-80 microns. Partly this is due to problems with the windshield frame and hinges. On the machines, painted in custom colors, thickness 110 microns and these problems anymore.
Although most German cars, exactly like most of the Metallica standard values are 110-130 µm.
Full sizemetallics usually have a thickness of 10-20 µm larger than the standard color.
Of course, there are local places where else on the plant layer can be applied a bit more (usually on the racks windshield the values are higher by 10-30 µm)
Full sizeThere are places on the body where the thickness can be higher than values on all other parts. Most importantly, these values were the same on both sides of the body.
Full sizeAnd there are places where the thickness of the paintwork is slightly smaller: for example, for Porsche 911 characterized by a decrease in values towards the bottom of the doors and front wings from 110 to 80 microns.
But again, this is a local place, and the easiest way to ensure that is as it should be – check the thickness values on the other side.
The standard phrase of the seller "within a tolerance" is nothing more than deceit. All machines within the brand-model painted the same way. Therefore, if three S-class have a thickness on the hood 110 µm and 140 µm suddenly fourth – nifiga it is not tolerance.
The truth values at different thickness may be different, so you can use the universal rule: more than 160 mkm – suspicious. More than 180-200 µm – bad.
Full sizeis Also a lot of myths goes at the expense of the factory matte color. But, alas, it does not effect stealth or any exotic readings of thickness of paint as paint. Thickness as the thickness...
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Full size...and repainted as repainted.
There are rare exceptions when a higher value is norm: double color, ie. when the car was sent for re-painting at the factory (typical of VAG or Jaguar).
Full sizeHere is a typical example of DOUBLE COLOR. Please note that the values increased, though, but it's still more or less the same
Full sizethe easiest way to distinguish between double color from full perekruta — measure Tomino LCP openings: it must be 2 times higher.
But there are cases more complicated
Full sizeIs also a factory color. But the range of values puts into a stupor. Perhaps it is a feature of the Assembly of the first batches.
Full sizeMain feature of the factory colour in this case — the lack of visual and tactile characteristics of painting works.
Small-scale vehicles can be of generally any thickness of the paintwork
Full sizeMeasurement of the thickness of the paintwork on the Ferrari 458. This is the factory default. The color from the standard palette.
Full sizeIs already a Ferrari FF. Color as factory, but the color of the individual. By the way, the first thing to check ferret the wings, because the coveted Stallions is one of the most expensive options. Embarrassingly expensive (given that it's just a punch on krylyah). Everyone wants a car with them, but not all order them at the factory. Some people suffering short...
Well, of course the thickness of the paintwork can be any on the car body which are harvested in a specific way (every English hand and assmade).
Full sizeBentley Mulsanne. When working with hand-built cars need to know the specifics of this build. By the way, I recommend to watch the video of how make these machines.
How to use a feeler gauge? How-how, take, Yes, poke! The main thing is possible perpendicular to the surface. If the feeler gauge needs to be calibrated, then place him in the Polytechnical Museum. If the measurement of the same point thickness shows different values then it "igrovoy" and not a feeler gauge.
What does it measure and what does it not measure the thickness? We will not go into the fact that there are still various thickness (there are those that do not see the aluminum, and then there are those who listen to music in the metro with cassette player (probably is)). So by default, we believe that when it comes to cars, the thickness gauge measures the thickness of paint any plastic part.
Plastic is the only thing that now sees the "standard" thickness (i.e., the wings of Renault and BMW, and trunk lids of all sorts of fast cars).
The rest he do not care – dirt, snow, rain, water, frost, heat, dead batteries – values are always the same. Home again, poke exactly (the needle should be as perpendicular to the surface).
The only caveat, there is a natural production of the needle, i.e., reducing its length – not sure, but this seems to affect the readings. But can not take it to the head — to whittle down the needle, you need to work in a trade-ine. However, I have Tolik lives, so I don't know that (not broken, but broken)
Is it possible to scratch with a thickness gauge car? You can, but you need to work very hard. Conventional thickness measurement you car will not scratch. But can be slightly hurt, if the thickness "move out" with the slippery surface (as is typical for vegetrarian car), or when the device falls from his hands. And it happens often, for the hand and wrist are working at full (here so to make – there are commercials).
This is the boring part of the lesson is over. Go to application casinomoney.
Since the thickness has not appeared yesterday and managed to get a very wide prevalence, over the last 2-3 years those who the device should bring to light, learned to work with him. Go to the very delicious.
How to cheat a feeler gauge? In principle – no way. It just shows the value of all. But you can trick you, ie the interpreter of these values.
The easiest way: after the accident in detail will be one layer of paint (i.e. the values of "admission") if... if this one is new!
Full sizeDented wing or door, or half of the car – just put the new part and the issue of thickness solved.
Today it is common place to paint the new part of the hit factory thickness values can all. Make the layer a little less (say 80 instead of 120) or slightly more (130-140) – a sign rucogoza.
Can it burn? Eyes usually, Yes (I'll explain this in next post). But the thickness will help, if the values are normal, but different from the neighboring parts (the whole machine 110, a hood 130 for example), or will be large differences within the single parts (differences of more than 30 microns within a part – is a reason to be suspicious). But in most cases it will not help you because...
Because the difference in thickness of the LCP layer between the parts to neutralize the polished, or rather the so-called "ceramics". Ways to reduce the value I don't know (I guess, but not met) but there is a situation where value can be increased, and it will not mean repainted.
This so-called "ceramics" (in a first approximation – a kind of advanced polishing). Ie have absolutely a car to put it on 4-5 layers of ceramic and together with the awesome Shine and protective properties of the resulting LCP thickness 30-40 microns above
Yes, pottery does increase the readings, and repeated the application very much. Standard 110 microns can be increased to 180. Another question, what for (it is not cheap, in the end)?
But anyway to fool the meter in this way is not difficult: i.e., for example, have few accidents, replaced the hood and the values of 130 µm, and then replaced the damaged wing, it is set to 80, then changed the door and it is quite messy 150. All this, in the language of official dealers "within tolerance", but still not normal, and suspicious. Therefore, distills our perekruchennoe miracle in a competent detailing and get the whole machine 170. Moreover, without polishing such resoucres not to sell.
All! Thickness is powerless, it will show that and needs to show the same value throughout the car.
Another common way to hide the discoloured parts of the film.
Full sizeFilm
Full sizeUnder it hard to disassemble painted detail visually, and the thickness gauge will show higher values.
However, they will be inflated exactly to the thickness of the film (the most common film thickness 100-150-200 micron). Therefore, it also can save the principle of similarity. If on one side of the hood 240 microns, 290 and on the other, it means a film thickness of the layer diverges by 50 microns, which is impossible with color at the factory. It is also unlikely that different parts caused the film of different thicknesses: so ate on the hood shows 210 and 340 wings – most likely it cant.
Full sizeOn this G63, the seller guaranteed the details without a single color, however, warned that half of the car in the film. However, even the measurement through the film makes it clear that the details are not painted in the factory: the film thickness must be 500 µm (as it is generally such to pull?), variation of thickness within a part beyond.
Well, quite difficult and rare to make repairs as necessary. Ie, replace the damaged components with new one, remove the old layer of paint to make the seams carefully and in the right places (alas, this approach is common for serious injuries and total). So that not only the thickness won't find anything, but any expert will find nothing, because no traces there. Fortunately, there are still craftsmen who do the repair perfectly. I came across these.
But it is so rare that to consider it is not necessary.
And most importantly: perekruchennoe tail is in the end not scary. The main thing that was all the openings and struts. After all, their damage is usually pulled by a geometry change and other pleasures, like old pillows and broken belts.
Well, in the next post we will try to estimate in practice, how much money will help us to save some thickness. And will it help...
PS For stories about the thickness and color is not particularly ancient Koreans and Japanese know whose blog it is better to go. No offense. All over the world.
P. P. S. don't claim to universal truth. If you have something to share in the field of applied casinomoney — take pictures, write the post, I reposte
I worked in the dealer of a painter.
A lot of cars in the cabin krasiny.
Driven by truck across the country, stone chips and all sorts of force majeure occur. Of course all of this is painted.
People, when buying a car(new), thinks she's new)))))
In the cabin the car still have more to watch than the car market, there's something you're ready that you can run)))) and relaxes in the cabin))))
"you can't be upset if you forgot the thickness of the house." This is nonsense you have written. When buying cars, and with the cabin, it needs to be. If you run that you've described, the layer of paint in new car, everything is clear, just to identify the parts with a layer of putty, the thickness needed. This is especially true of places that will not change with the new item, such as fenders, hood, trunk. If it seminano, that's fine. But the stand just need to check for the presence of paint and the thickness of putty. So that the thickness necessary for everyone who buys the car. Even the salon again. I personally once, buying a friend in the cabin of new cars found painted the trunk with putty, apologized, and shrugged, "apparently on the way..." garbage carried.
Second time found on BU auto salon Lexus, painted detail which are silent dealer.
It is the most casinomel only knows how to poke and sometimes it is impossible not booster
davidbecks
Fool, even in the most good workshop is not suitable for painting at the factory . For example if the door is dented and cannot be restored . Changing it for a new wash conveyor Grun is applied 2-3 coats of base paint and varnish and in a good workshop, a new door will be painted 200-300 microns and it will be good because it will bloom in 2 years and in gunmasters will make easier for the new door slightly to the ground and immediately paint with varnish and you get a 100-150 micron, and a year later went corrosion this is what I ? 200-300 and even 500 microns is not bad at least not always need to look further and deeper for example what caused so many bases to hide dents or make high-quality color ? And not like you have a 200 micron it's bad and that's it .
Everyone is afraid of the unknown, of what are these 300-500мкм from spackle wet on bare metal and covered on top of the base. You are also right, let it be uniformly better at 300 than 80-130 at various points with obvious signs gonopores. But nobody explained to all(or almost all) will tell spakle piled on the car in total...
short circuit
is not cheaper. Did both. Buzovna more expensive and significantly
I'm not talking about a situation where you need the body to align or cooking. We are talking about the face painting. And talking about cars of the mid-late 2000s, i.e. more or less fresh, but not clunkers
when I was pasted Ford, I took casinomar www.autoscaners.ru/catalo...asochnykh_pokrytiy_et_10p
and deliberately he took the job BEFORE and AFTER pasting
On the roof layer is always thicker
when I was pasted Ford, I took casinomar www.autoscaners.ru/catalo...asochnykh_pokrytiy_et_10p
and deliberately he took the job BEFORE and AFTER pasting
On the roof layer is always thicker
I just work with them a little, so nothing about them is not written. But I saw that in other popular blogs talk about them in detail.
Don't know what's so offensive, but soran.
hah )))
thanks for the interesting material, as always ))
always enjoy reading
just do not understand th for release with the Koreans? I direct sorry ))))
although there is somehow time got the thickness. you were bored in the car. not painted and not broken, a few months from the dealer.
so stumble a smooth increase in thickness from the front-left wing to right rear with 110 micron to 140 micron. miracles )))
I wanted to read a serious expert, but it is odd nifiga not only writes and enjoys styling of the instrument panels
you bought the car to drive or to resell? While going to sell many more to gather up snow will be possible!) The price is not affected, if this is true. But that "piece" of the original bumper came OFF — I don't know what to do... I Have at -21 from hitting the ice the snow was only able to break away. Back and so do a lot of columns, borders, and things went through with cracks, but not with the loss of fragments...
Tell me it was a small accident.a parked car was touched by a lady.suffered a wing liner and a piece of the bumper fell off.bought all original parts from Od.painted in BMW showroom of Od.car Kia led.paper on hand.when selling as it can affect the cost?
Thanks to the author for the article, lot of useful things written.
Dobermann69 Not quite. The car has to be trouble-free. I would not even buy if the seller just doused to remove the chips.
In addition, any accident is:
1. Decrease its security, as good as it did.
2. The salon will constantly squeaks, etc.
3. To rust it will be much faster.
4. When You sell it it will be a problem.
hundred examples, just lazy writing.
thanks for the useful information, the most important thing that I learned is: "And most importantly: perekruchennoe tail is in the end not scary. The main thing that was all the openings and struts". I fully agree with the author! Not so terrible repainted, the main thing that it was quality!
The fact that you are handsome does not guarantee the rest of recapctha across the country.
Everything is restored and the frame and body. Frame, hydraulics, and welding, and body points adversives element and welded at the points from the donor... We are the SUVs with the warped frame taken out with a deviation of 3 mm.
HustleHard
Thanks for the article! Tricky question — why do we get so sensitive when buying over the lack of painted details, even more than for the condition of the engine and gearbox? Sold the last car, due to the operation of the city was (the lap for 8 years) was krasiny 3 doors, bumper and sill + wing, while the box and engine was ideal because the body was afraid to buy...
Tremble for safety. Hit much kosovi restored after — not so strong as from the factory. Vidfile welding joints have their own characteristics ...engineers created and calculated and this parameter. When the body is injured it starts to "play" with geometry...may cause squeaks and crickets. So all that is recovered is a bad thing a priori.
There are oblique strokes.in which frame auto cherevato cracking the frame...and, accordingly, impossibility of recovery...but there are masters akaby able to restore it. Appearance no damage.and the frame is gone — it's all
I have a Chinese redhead. Know name. I wrote stupidly the dash, ie does not see at all the metal obstacles.
MECHANISMIK
Took some time ago thickness. It works perfectly and the aluminum and regular steel. But faced with a problem, refuses to see the metal in the domestic, Chinese and part Korean cars. The word really. Paint one metallic. In what can be the matter? The head broke.
The same garbage, maybe the thickness?! (ET-11R)
Do to the absurd with it got my Skoda and Kia close friend, Gaugeable rear fenders.
Take my — 108мкм, measure, Kia 9мкм.
Then again its about 110мкм again Kia — 12мкм...
Come down to the fact that Kia in General 0мкм wrote.
Took some time ago thickness. It works perfectly and the aluminum and regular steel. But faced with a problem, refuses to see the metal in the domestic, Chinese and part Korean cars. The word really. Paint one metallic. In what can be the matter? The head broke.
Rom-51
all that I understood from the article - the appliance is not a panacea, and to sense from it - zero point, dick tenths.
No, the device is very useful, I used it to weed out potential 7 machines (all were somehow broken), and eventually bought my fully smooth on all elements, with the bolts in a virgin paint.
Moreover, the device was really simple, he shows the accuracy of hundreds, i.e. 100 µm, shown as 1, 200 — 2, etc.
And this is how you look at it. If one side of it to sense the 0.1 on the other hand useful 0,9)))
all that I understood from the article - the appliance is not a panacea, and to sense from it - zero point, dick tenths.
and now that I know the salon when you think it's dual colour, it means that the car was damaged when shipped across the border.
ZloyGarri
Good article, surprised that BMW thickness is different, saw surprised in my brochure thickness is quite different. Look can be useful.
So new too, can kill all. Seen repeatedly moved down in a ditch the transporters and the dealers say that these cars then sell
Good article, surprised that BMW thickness is different, saw surprised in my brochure thickness is quite different. Look can be useful.
About pradika is not Kralovo on the paint, and all Toyotas why the roof is not galvanized is the only element in the car, plus if you are inept glaziers in x-changed glass, there is a dirty trick.
Maybe now I will write nonsense, but sometimes you can see very well painted details on the picture/display of the camera, especially in b/W spectrum. Not a panacea, but as the additional instrument is acceptable.
Put on the article tab. Very interesting to read, especially to me, as a person with no experience in the use of a feeler gauge.
Excellent article. For one thing, in my experience 70% of buyers b/u do not use thickness gauges and believe in the word of the seller. And repainted the item is not negotiable if everything is done correctly and the car is in good condition.
As they say, each fingering as he wants)) we Have people in Odessa from 20 to 30...love to play games . For example, buy each other old Japanese cars which bits have been several times in the trash, and the front and back and sides and so on. And all you know and continue to cook and digest. And the same car wanders from one hand to another undergoing constant change. Common sense in this zero...but sports gambling but))
Buyer's opinion may differ from yours... no one is interested to understand from what you wore a few times my car from chipping, or after total. Easier to buy a car from under someone who didn't do it and sleep well. Visual schools can survive, and is known as welded body and faux instead of pillows anymore.
I four year old painted the front bumper and both wings with a hood. For sand on the road with the stones not Sadat nothing. The more I believe that to dye the damaged element is the most right! After sometime wash the car and Polish it with wax rubbed I see all the chips. You're very nice to look at it? I like not pleasant to see. And paint is not difficult and very nice :)
the question here is to fresh cars, you 2 to 3 year old car also will be painting just for the chips, the entire?
This thickness is a complete mess. Sold I like the typewriter one guy poked and prodded Her all this stuff. Well, but what sense in it? Yes, I painted the car and what's wrong with that? In 10 years the car has come to love the chipped paint and it looks awful(
Colored machine, that is no reason for bargaining.
The thickness for each idiots.
retroPNZ
Learn eyes look great! Damn wife is selected for less than the car! Power elements and openings need to look in the first place and stick there!
Of course. Because buying a car is serious business! :)
I'm not lazy. And even Vice versa. Just one post all cases not climb. Follow the blog
A feeler gauge is a good thing. Cup them spar openings to measure need. Naveschu you can see with your eyes. To compare neighboring parts you need. And so everything is clear. From the difference in the metallic flakes of the difference in sharkskin. Proaganda spackle risk it climbs into the gloss. Anyways to lazy junk))
ISG4
Because the body is the most expensive part of the car. And if the engine and gearbox can change any procoop and write about it in your szanyi YouTube channel, then paint and align your car without experience is fine, no one can.
To paint a car fully 50 pieces, high quality more expensive. Automatic transmission is the repair of 30 PCs, new 100. Engine overhaul 150 new from 350K.this car for example line VAG. And it is cheaper there is still debatable.
RichRoss
Good article, thanks.
I'd add, for example, to the Audi exclusive thickness of the machine can safely be from the factory to 350мкм. but not always.
The film had long since learned to hide, especially smart select different film thickness.
For myself, some times probyval perelazit wing, which was replaced with new. The whole machine was 110-130, the wing is painted in 80. In the end, the trick did not work, the thickness has risen by only 10-15 mkm =))) But, if a strong desire is probably possible.
But I also wanted to ask you, now there is a legend that there is some sort of aluminum putty, which is applied and the thickness gauge of the type measures already from her, not from metal (I certainly don't believe that, but still)
there is this: professional.novol.pl/EN/...evka-s-alyuminievoy-pylyu
Forgot to write some thickness gauges included are a calibration plate, for fine tuning of the readings.
Ha)at work from a friend measured the thickness of the paintwork on his brand new"NOT painted"cherry)So that is the same everywhere in microns, and one door no, he's soooo sad...))and I received my first unexpected experience)
Gaelic 100-120 µm and 2005, all and everywhere. Now wings +100
But the Rover 130-140 after abrasive polishing. Well coast Rovers. I three times without color dent rules
if spakly add metal shavings and a feeler gauge shows normal thickness, then how can he (the thickness) can measure paint metallic?
And thickness, in layman's suitable and simple to help yourself figure a few things out, and it is my right to know more about the car that I want to buy .Why some the sell the offense occurs, that people do not want to buy painted and broken cars.But why do they want to hide these facts?Even offended, because it becomes increasingly difficult to sell their cars with the presence of people, even simple devices
SPb-ALF
Like all sounds great, pseudo-scientific and should inspire confidence, BUT...
1. Just normal professional necessarily calibrated thickness gauge, we — every day;
2. The dispersion of thicknesses of the same body from 95 to 120 microns (and even up to 130) is NORMAL. Primer, base and lacquer is applied equally to all items and locations of the body;
3. Double (or even triple) parakram love to indulge and Koreans;
4. Based on item 3 of different thicknesses on one and the same body also may well come from the factory — for example when on the double-dyed the body is changing for one reason or another, some hinged element (door, fender, etc.);
5. "...The metallics usually have a thickness of 10-20 µm larger than the standard color..." — this was true for earlier times when nemetalice not varnished; the varnish is applied to all options and therefore, the situation is reversed — due to lower opacity nemetalice have a thicker base and hence a greater thickness.
So, offhand, that the eye is caught. As they say old Mueller in the "17 moments of spring" — "the Small lie creates the big distrust..."
I agree completely on all points! He worked 7 years at hyundai plant and often went to the body with double color, and how many doors have been replaced and it's all factory with factory color.
timur533
I agree. I work in the trade in the Hyundai. The spread is more than 50 even
And neitiniemi more happens. )
MOcaRT001
A good thing, but for a new car. Silly and funny looks of people opting for 10+ year old car with the calipers in his hands. In my experience came these clowns with a thickness gauge to my car 04г. The car was Krasina in a circle, which of course showed the thickness. And that you prefer to go matte, otpechatano car or freshly painted. The head needs to include soobrazhalku, not thickness
Better on the Matt — at least I know that will not rot in the same year. )