Three men in a boat, not counting the GM. How to choose a full-size pickup truck like in the Russian market.
As you know, officially in Russia is not supplied, none of the current full-size pickups. In the us market this class are wide enough, but if you are not ready for hardcore, and categories have to be limited to six models from different manufacturers, RAM 1500, Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado / GMC Sierra, Nissan Titan and Toyota Tundra. I have all of the variety of options at different times there were three Ford different generations, two RAM, and even it is terrible to say, three Toyotas (thankfully short-lived). With the rest of them did not grow together: Silverado too utilitarian and generally for severe redneck, GMC in our market — illiquid LV 80, and Titanium not only that, Nissan, and something about the brake discs at 48K RUB apiece in the air. In Russia, the most common RAM and the Tundra, a little less often — F 150 and Silverado. So it is not surprising that the second most popular question in the comments to my Ford — "What is better from F-150 / RAM 1500 / Tundra". About Silverado too ask, but tell me about it nothing special, so he stays behind the scenes.
Stream pickups from abroad has virtually dried up with the growth of the school, and then the ERA GLONASS has put the market to its knees and toppled his control blow Jack on the ridge. Pickup-center with a new year added +$10K to the price tag of all of the available cars, and the owners okatannyh still in the 90s in the vastness of Texas prehistoric carts got excited and decided that the time has come to dump their illiquid fast and expensive. So if today is to attend to the acquisition of Panoramica, have to choose from machines 2008 — 2014 model years depending on budget. You can certainly buy something older, providing a fun to restore this stuff from the ashes, or fresher with a price tag of 4 million rubles to infinity, but I have these extreme variations will not be considered. Fans of the repairs is still there on the garage floor under the car and do not read blogs, and fans from 4 million price tag for a box on springs either work a lot and don't read blogs, or also somewhere near someone something and lie to them again, not blogging.
Returning to the question "what to choose" it should be noted that if in principle you want the pickup selection criteria boil down to budget and subjective feelings, because they're all cool. If there is no such understanding, then buy any of them as pointless as trying to marry a gay man to a woman. It may even happen, but the result will be disastrous for all participants. Objectively all panoramamic very tightly are close in performance and reliability, because the idea and design are all simple as the populist slogans of opposition candidates for the presidency. The basis of panoramamic class 1500 (with a few exceptions, which I will discuss below) is the frame, springs, rear, springs front, part-time, a powerful high-torque motor and a small apartment in the cabin. And the fundamental difference for the consumer, they are reduced to the amount of chrome on the grille, spark plug in the motor, the buttons in the cabin and nameplates of different degrees obscene. Below I will briefly describe what made these so similar to each other cars.
RAM 1500
Likes: HEMI, spring suspension and a cool exterior.
Don't like: quality of execution and the temptation to lead a three-liter diesel on the pneuma.
Full sizeREM the Russian consumer loves tenderly and gently. Although until 2009, this love sickly gave a squeak of an ungreased spring and radical asceticism, because REM the third generation powerful, is extremely severe and does not indulge the consumer with all sorts of nonsense. But even then, was the Hemi (since 2006 with the deactivating cylinders), a gigantic Mega Cab rare, but all were AWD. The principle of operation is simple — there is a slip, connected front, no slipping — no you traction on the front axle. This system was put on Remy on (to my knowledge) 2011 and was replaced razdatkoy with TOD from Borg Warner, the same as Fords in 2012. In 2004-2005 their optional equip honest 4WD with the Torsen, but these instances are rare as Netanya coyotes near the Mexican border. With the fourth generation of REM tightened considerably. First, he has a very cool spring suspension. Secondly, he still has the Hemi, which is great rides, sounds and not just the brain nothing but need to buy 16 candles on a replacement, but it is also a kind of adventure. Third, since 2013, he's finally going to the salon, to which I have no complaints, available air suspension, RamBox, all sorts of mercy type, heated steering wheel, seat ventilation, the eight-speed automatic with fashionable washer gear shift and active blind grille. And RAM is the first pickup truck class 1500 with three-liter diesel. And he meanly gives me blasphemous thoughts (on the background of alarming financial atmosphere) about changing what you like, but it is expensive and illiquid, to something more economical and marketable. But I'm holding on.
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Full sizeFord F 150
Great range of modern engines, available options and everything else.
Don't like: the price tag is actually the price tag of the new generation in particular.
Full sizeFord, my permanent number one among all pickups. He was huge in the 11th generation. He has something to counter the competitors in the 12th. 13E and even beyond, especially in the "item price". But all good thing have to pay. New body I went with a 2015, so in Russia they are almost there, and those that are able to drive in frustration even before you count the zeros on the price tag. 12th the body loses Remu in terms of suspension, and (although this is a matter of taste) that the exterior of the RAM, the Tundra is more pleasant. All other items F 150 willing to put rivals on both blades. He long time was not optional AWD, but in 2012 this omission was corrected, and corrected for the glory. Coupled with Ford's AWD with razdatkoy Borg Warner is implemented through the technology of TOD (torque on demand), which is a little more complicated than the stupid connecting the front axle when slippage of the rear. About 10% of the torque transmitted to the front axle always, and of necessity the share of time is increasing-in some modes reaching a 50:50 ratio. Thus, in one car can coexist, classic rear-wheel drive, full full, full rigidly connected (normal/panagakou) and locking rear differential. The latter way works in pair with rear wheel drive, if you know what I mean. Also Ford is the first to offer a modern turbo V6. If all the other pickups V6 — basic cheap motors, here the consumer is offered a really usable alternative to the good old V8. The level of equipment of the F 150 can be very high, since 2009 was available all sorts of nice options: power adjustable sills, premium audio system by Sony, Sync, which actually works well, ventilated seats, advanced mid, xenon and other pleasant things. And even for the most demanding there is the Raptor.
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Full sizeToyota Tundra
Likes: violent temper and sense of comprehensive fill the surrounding space.
Don't like: it's a Toyota
Full sizeWith the Toyotas I have a complex and long history of strong mutual dislike. But if you are not sick of the Japanese car industry (and sick of us, that's okay too) and the pickup you want, better not to think. The interior... Forget about the salon, if you are connoisseur of neurotic suffering. It is better to think that it is not there and all the salons do not exist in nature as a normal modern media buttons, not cut down with an ax from the waste plastic production and something that some strange people called "aesthetics and comfort." With reystaling 2014 picture has changed a bit, but in the current circumstances it's another story. In General, we should not care about how to sit, and concentrate on how it all goes. But riding Tundra with iForce as if aimed straight into the stratosphere. I think about the same sensation you can get if you take an elephant ride, which had previously watered with kerosene. Starts Tundra briskly and loudly, slow (but like all competitors) reluctantly, defiantly gives the corner and eats more than Ford and RAM combined. Okay, I'm exaggerating of course, but less than 25 l/100 km in the city, none of the Tundra I have not eaten. AWD, a normal head light, cylinder shut-off, steeper option of heated seats is all that you are in the Tundra will not see. But for fans of the Toyota is clearly not an obstacle.
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Full sizeOn any typical sores of specific models can not speak, because in General these machines are extremely unpretentious and usually if something is dead is because he was helped, not it itself. From little things you can remember that fords are not the most successful design of racks of the stabilizer, the motor is 5.4 Triton spark often break when replacing (which is pain) and, in the case of a long base, a composite cardan shaft with outboard bearing, which may require attention. In Ramah with the mileage from 150K km is often leaking crankshaft seal and bushings tire levers, which are sold only in gathering with the lever. Toyota this Toyota that even say about it nothing. And all of them (except the RAM since 2009) might squeak by springs, and a set protivogrippoznyh plates are now cheap.
Also be careful with fans to drive part time as a constant all-wheel drive, because of the high probability that the transfer case will never be the same. The same can be said about the drivers, removing the factory speed limiter. Even its existence is a reference to the speed index of the rubber, which comes from the factory, and it's more of a potential problem of the driver, not the future buyer. But in principle the whole structure of panoramamic not very suited for high speeds, and similar extreme loads (e.g. valiana on three-ton truck with the aerodynamics of silica brick with a speed of 220 km/h) for transmission often goes sideways that may be your problem. Of course, we meet the broken and restored pickups, but mostly (with adequate price tag) it's not scary, because accidents often suffer pickups only attachments that just throw out and put a new one. Well, those instances that are met with static obstacle and "corrected" geometry, to restore not learned, and these half-hearted attempts are so obvious that visible to the naked eye.
I seriously believe that it is better F 150 pickup had not yet been invented. But when I ask for advice people who want to buy a full sized pickup, I always recommend first and foremost to pay attention to REM. And it's not petty sabotage. In favor of the RAM in such situations is its great liquidity, spring suspension, more predictable motor (not everyone is ready to contact Turbomotor, and atmosferico the Hemi is still the best) and nice design. Tundra is also from all sides clearer, and buy them more willingly. A Ford in our market apparently remains for connoisseurs and lovers. There is one interesting fact from all who have purchased my pick-up only among the chosen F-150 there are those who continue to travel by car. The tundra was operaportable already three times, Remy generally around as a girl with a low social responsibility, and fords almost all the way and ended up in the garages of my buyers and well (last I sold in 2013). It turns out there are some sort of magic. Well, or just can not sell.
And that pneuma can say, are often faced with breakdowns? And then took it in July so waiting for frost warily.
LeonMgn
I apologize in advance for the stupid question, but... some of these cars are able to travel regularly with a ton of cargo (a roll of steel with a diameter of 1200 and a height of 800 mm) in the back? And, of course, not to hang out at the same time as the flower in the hole.
Tundra. Double Cab. Regularly and can easily carry a ton.
LeonMgn
This is what confuses: ton main load, plus a hundred kilos of me, plus every household Luggage plus (possibly) someone from colleagues — every-time — and 1300 passport 7 hundredweight.
Of course, on the level of common sense I understand that a big and heavy car with the frame beam on the rear springs and the body of the load needs to be significantly load-carrying capacity of my Octavia — but cautious respect for the user factory person overcome difficult))
Buy a trailer))
Even if only close to the bravery and dementia — it is not mine. In the red zone of the scale of oskomera prefer not to go — I without needless risk to themselves and others there is something to tickle your nerves))
Yes, that's right. In 2500, I just took a ton of time. In 1500, too, can throw a ton, but it's closer to the bravery and dementia) does not die of course, but better not to do it.
That is good, but for slender women carrying different sports and household goods. I have slightly different potential problems))
So, say, 1500, 2500, 3500 is a pound a pound... it Turns out that I need to look at 2500.
680 is at full load) i.e. driver + 4 passengers at the rate of 70 kg per person, a full tank and a spare. And top with another 680)
This is what confuses: ton main load, plus a hundred kilos of me, plus every household Luggage plus (possibly) someone from colleagues — every-time — and 1300 passport 7 hundredweight.
Of course, on the level of common sense I understand that a big and heavy car with the frame beam on the rear springs and the body of the load needs to be significantly load-carrying capacity of my Octavia — but cautious respect for the user factory person overcome difficult))
They have a carrying capacity of 1500 pounds, ie 680 kg. depending on configuration can be a little less. This weight they don't notice)
I apologize in advance for the stupid question, but... some of these cars are able to travel regularly with a ton of cargo (a roll of steel with a diameter of 1200 and a height of 800 mm) in the back? And, of course, not to hang out at the same time as the flower in the hole.
Caroline S
A Torsen differential is nowhere. Permanent all-wheel drive with a distribution of 60:40 had an Escalade EXT and Hummer H2 Sut. The rest of partim. On modern Ford and Ramah found as optional borg warner 44-44 transfer case with AWD —
automatically plug-in front end. And was Remy with permanent all-wheel drive as an option year in 2006, in my opinion, a rare bird. But there is also electromagnetic coupling, as far as I know.
here is what they write about BorgWarner on other machines...
"Alas, between the axles no center differential, no rigid connection through the gears. BorgWarner transfer case inter-axle clutch c and panagakou of 2.48:1 — like the SsangYong Rexton. The node this does not differ reliability, here and at Savannah in Auto mode the front axle off-road shock is often connected. Hit the gas — breakthrough, dumped — again jerk. How much is enough transmission in harsh conditions? " www.drive2.ru/e/BsmmwEAAAAI
Welcome. RAM 1500 Limited, 15g. Very convenient, comfortable car as it goes around the track and accelerates without any comments. Minus I have found only one — a very tough appeal. I couldn't get used to it even in three years. But... After 80 thousand began to crumble pohlesche my Residents. And repair in our village they are just no where. The first time I went for the Raptor, I bought a Dodge, now wanted a Raptor, take the Tundra. To Dodge it was two vnedorozhyu Toyota, still I remember only good things about them.
About superior American pickups for example — very — sail as in boat and high. And all-wheel drive is sometimes not superfluous. Don't know how in the tundra — really uncomfortable?
That's what upsets me — the expense. 20 litres per hundred is not a foot in your ass. That's why I go to the Dakota rarely. But with pleasure. In winter, the rest went in the snow on it.
MYGT
The Tundra has one huge and undeniable advantage. I bought it five years ago for 1350 and recently sold for 1,500. And for all the time almost nothing is repaired. One of the world's most reliable machines in my experience. Not the most comfortable and not the most brutal but the above are definitely the most indestructible.
And what was sold then? Indestructible well! Went... Here's something!
I have a 1990 Volga-year. Ride, looks great. Investing even a penny. And in a Dodge Dakota who was running 330 000 no special attachments.
It's good that it sold, but don't forget how many it was possible to buy a 1350 over 5 years ago. And now for 1500 did not really buy.
The Tundra has one huge and undeniable advantage. I bought it five years ago for 1350 and recently sold for 1,500. And for all the time almost nothing is repaired. One of the world's most reliable machines in my experience. Not the most comfortable and not the most brutal but the above are definitely the most indestructible.
Dunno — in our neighborhood about 5 Frames and none of the tundra. Why — figs knows. He wanted to know. Perhaps there is a reason.
And who then dodges that and Ford gets rid of, well this does not mean that they R?..)))))
Tundra penny in service, compared to JSA, IMHO
Well, if not blunt and to the dealer not to carry
And reliability well it, rating Pindos she's number one among pickups like well
No way to choose and it concerns not only the pickups, the reason is simple — it is not necessary to our drug dealers to buy at the price of a Maybach that they have there at home for the price of a Gazelle(which by the way essentially is)
Why photos of tundra dorectal?
25 liters is 35 wheels ?
About REM forgot about rushing stud manifold for Hemi
In connection with the current rise in price Benz I pick on almost did not go. And I have a consumption of "only" 20 liters of 92-octane to weave. )) I think You have more. )) Here yesterday, drove moped on repairs. Far over 100 km in Sokolniki( I'm 20 years and live in the country). Duck decided not to ship on a truck, crammed in a Fiat Doblo. )) Oil for a week has fallen in price percent on 10 — hell gasoline cheaper. We all through the income statement. ((
Ivan-Stoletov
No fucking way she weighs more, and less. The total mass is loaded, i.e. your car weighs 2520 kg. did Not understand why your car weighs so much — did not seem very big. Perhaps there is one engine weighs more than a ton with box. )) Himself barely carries probably the basket is small. Truck body not 2 feet long like mine? A sort of Netopia with a loaded weight of 3500 and a payload of less than a ton. Well, nothing important is CALLED a truck and category C.
I remember in youth went on ZIL 130. Well antiquated by today's standards the car. Weight about 4 tons, the volume of the engine just 6литров and funny power — 150 horsepower. But the carrying capacity of 5-6 tons depending on modification. ))
And about the ZIL and malomernogo my truck: ZIL is not allowed to develop further which is a pity. My truck has a database of the same time and made in order to carry loads, not to haul them in the back. The engine plant is designed to use gas, but the Americans are not used to propane on a mass scale, and because production is pickups with the engine stopped, but the motor is still put on buses, light-duty trucks.
Engine with automatic transmission on my weigh nearly a ton. Under 900 pounds, is not exactly calculated. The body in the usual really small, flying in grinding I think will be included, but not tested. But I have a wall in the salon and then a long body increases all the way to the windshield. And accurate data by weight are: weight no load 2985, the maximum resolution 3901.
No fucking way she weighs more, and less. The total mass is loaded, i.e. your car weighs 2520 kg. did Not understand why your car weighs so much — did not seem very big. Perhaps there is one engine weighs more than a ton with box. )) Himself barely carries probably the basket is small. Truck body not 2 feet long like mine? A sort of Netopia with a loaded weight of 3500 and a payload of less than a ton. Well, nothing important is CALLED a truck and category C.
I remember in youth went on ZIL 130. Well antiquated by today's standards the car. Weight about 4 tons, the volume of the engine just 6литров and funny power — 150 horsepower. But the carrying capacity of 5-6 tons depending on modification. ))
My car has a total mass more than 3500. This means that the machine itself weighs a little less than 3500 kg and its maximum load capacity does not exceed 980 kg. And how your car can weigh more than mine?!
Well, once again you are talking about. Maybe you and the fraudulent clearance and I have a car which has a total mass more than 3500 kg and a loading capacity less than 1 tonne. If you car has a total mass more than 3500 kg, then it's just you fraudulent customs pulled by what authority
But the law says about a category C with a capacity of less than a ton? I know where the Shoe pinches. On the category C less tameika. I have a Dakota category B and takes more than you and weighs more. So You have far-fetched for importation of category C. Well, fraudulent.
Because laws need to know Igor. By order of the city of Moscow check-in outside of the 3 rings is prohibited to vehicles with capacity above 1 ton. And gross vehicle weight are not specified. That's why I can in the center to go at least to the first even to the last ... And you would do well to not be so categorical when you don't know the subject.
Ivan-Stoletov
Yes? In Moscow did not let trucks with GVW more than 2.5 tons. That's for sure.
What is this nonsense?! I Avalanche go quietly, and I have category. Capacity less than a tonne and I in the center of it passing. Half of the experimental signs in the East (I live here) took off. So that you can safely move around. Yes, there are some limitations, when compared with posterboy.
With a cargo vehicle with a load capacity of more than a ton can't go in there. The category of the vehicle as such is irrelevant. The vehicle type and category are two different things. Category b and C, by weight, of posted and vehicle type "truck" can be in different categories. Any pickup 150/1500й series has cateria In and type "truck-side". Passenger rights, the tax cargo.
Yes? In Moscow did not let trucks with GVW more than 2.5 tons. That's for sure.
F150 GVW less than 2.5 tons? Didn't know that. Well tady is a good machine. For Moscow. ))
About the category With infa? All 150/1500 series V. But I With (f250), well skated. There is a charm in it.
Don't know how fragile virgins desire to buy just the biggest pickup truck possible — RAM, F150, Tundra. Well this is impractical. Where did the practicality of our friends? RAM — it's a category C and a prohibition of entry in large cities. At-Phi - ha? I here for example bought a Dodge Dakota 2001 with mileage of 300 000. Fit as the Frame is tall, not that Ford Ranger. Put from 50-70 thousand — replaced everything I need and I go to her spitting. Though on the road, the woods, the snow, even to the Kremlin. Category B, body length 196 cm, capacity passport 750 kg(not to exceed 2,500 kg total mass), and in fact often loaded and a ton of no consequences. Beauty! What for need RAM? Some problems with the traffic police, consumption, prizvoditelnosti, poor permeability, etc.
good article. thank you. answering stupid questions like : why do pickup? answer :it is a diagnosis. remarks type-better VSAT... that Bo or something... go to GPU. your advice naiks who does not vperlis. someone tyrannical sheep, someone koreleva of the ball . someone low Priora someone V 8 HEMI 5.7 Ram. Il F-150. not navyazyvat my opinion. when people ask me why cha truck schA 4млр I send nahhh. smart not sprit the fool still does not understand .The author . write more. good text. good word. good luck to You.
taenia — resavska (good no doubt but there is)
RAM is a very good transfer, all things but price for s/h rate
Ford guano ( the reshotka river canal, tipo chrome plastic is chic and endless swells and peels) prices for s/h rate
GM — in the same way lovely as RAM but the price of s/h is cheaper and under the hood of LS!
Just 15 minutes ago, stuck at the window — just think, you're still beautiful, love*)
*Ford F150)
For me, the F-150 is just the most harmonious in appearance. Massive grille, and headlights in almost all its height — a delight! And RAM its sad reverse slope grid and the common expression "pay now". In General, very interesting review, thank you!
Don't give up! American (I mean real American) car — is a state of mind and the philosophy of life! Just about as Biking or monopoliste. And practical small cars on every day... then, they and every day to be background and not stand out.
Thank you) we have in Kaliningrad popularnosti pickups plummeted to the bottom during this time, I think I've soon only one will remain.
Thanks for the detailed description! I'd love to read! I think in 2 years the situation with the popularity has changed. On the Drome Ford and tundra are much more popular than remov