Another reason why you should not sell your car through the dealership.
Full sizeIt would seem that everyone has long known that many dealers engaged in the sale of commissions pre-owned — bottom. Deceptions, divorces, dead cars and all that jazz is an integral part of the work of this institution. But more than 60 applications submitted to the police of Kaliningrad over the last couple of weeks as it suggests that apparently not everyone knows this. I have to see the work of such a showroom inside, and get a lot of insider information. In — cook popcorn, well go under this light documentary horror.
Did the idea of this article after Kaliningrad was covered with major dealership pre-owned. I'm not going to call names here and names because while there was no trial, all the facts are something from the category of obvious things that everyone knows, but the evidence can not provide. And it is not important actually, because dealers in the country thousands, and they are all the same. At least all Kaliningrad so accurately and at least one St. Petersburg. It is worth noting that our Kaliningrad market of such lawlessness was not long — in used cars of course bargain, but mostly it was imported instances in which the salon invested their money. Of course there was also a lot of his jokes, but that's a topic for another conversation.
Business in the case a car dealership modern sample simple marketplace in the lease, the authorized capital equivalent to the set of bald tires, a lot of managers on the percentage of sales and the desire of the owners for a quick escape from the poor class. Optional in the background there is a creditor with the resources to buy a car if he gets some of the ball. The incomes of the company consist of commissions and margins from the sale of the purchased car. Well, since commissions are small and of wanting to take your car in for nothing place is not built, it is necessary to seek additional earning options.
What will you risk buying a car in this place, of course without my revelations. All the same, as when buying a car on Craigslist, only the percentage of normal sentences tends to zero. So because it is formed of a Commission of a car that people are tired to sell a good car for the right price the owner himself to sell quickly, and the "free Parking lot and a quick sale" basically it is the owners are not very interesting options. And in the case of term repurchase it worse, after all, so merge the car is not even tainted and moldy stuff.
But suppose for some reason you still want to entrust the sale of your car to the mediator. The only advantage that is possible in this case — in the cabin in exchange for your car can take a car buyer, have invested their money in expectation of profit. Pluses on this end and the risks begin. When you sign a contract, you sing about free Parking area, advertising support, pre-training and the absolute gratuity of all this splendor. In this note a model contract in which the salon did not have and generally just standing next to at the time of sale.
Let's start with the pre-sale preparation. The Manager is task — navyalivat you as many additional services. Dry cleaning, polishing, minor repairs, deficiencies that slow down the sale — needless to say that will count in full, and will do only what catches the eye? The calculation on the client, bribed so that all will include the cost of the car and on hands it will receive an appropriate amount, often turns out to be true. I've seen bills for pre-training, which includes everything up to changing the oil in the rear axle (the hostess said that in this way will remove some hum, which was not), of which in fact was made only one item — the painting of the bumper. Somewhere in the garage three times cheaper than stated. With the optimization of costs in such stores are all excellent, no doubt.
On pre-sales usually do not stop. If the machine is that you can remove and replace on the garbage — trust me, it will be done. One of the stores last summer, particularly distinguished himself: they decided to go further and to remove from the Commission a car steering wheel, Viliv it someone posharpanny. And, in principle, nobody would have noticed if the owner is not wrapped once on the ground in passing. Of course, the second set of tires to the buyer no give. It would be not too lazy, and the fuel tank would have sucked. But in principle, it freezed managers, riding on the corrupt machines in the "let's get all the money" at every opportunity.
With selling the car, the fun is just beginning. A favorite technique is to bargain with the holder 100 500 thousand, yet he does not know that the car is sold. The simplest way of pressure on the brain "buyer costs money, requires a response, all is lost, let's hurry". Contracts in these salons you write and not mention the Commission, and as always not the full amount, so check how much is actually the broker received from the sale difficult. A record of my observations — minus 150 thousand from the sale of diesel X5 in body E70. And money immediately of course you will not want to give up, because the contract spelled out possible delay in a couple of months, and the boys the money in circulation is not superfluous. But all the above isn't too terrible. Much better what is happening in the time of the fall of the next chromomere.
And that's basically the time referred to in the title. A little over a month ago, one of the dealers of Kaliningrad, engaged in the sale of cars with mileage, was closed to audit. Just read the announcement on the door of the office. In fact, this month the entire area was drained for nothing. A week ago, customers said "sorry, our organization is bankrupt," and the owners disappeared with the money. Although the official position of course declares "blunders in business". Almost all the cars managed to sell a large part ended up in the hands of the outbid, which are now as quickly get rid of purchased cars until the scandal is gaining momentum. Someone got lucky — it ЛС200 sold 30% cheaper than the amount specified in the contract, right before the salon declared bankruptcy, but the buyer couldn't register it myself because of unpaid fines of 500 rubles and managed to give the car to get the money back. The owner, after learning from the media about the closure of the dealership, think long and did not came to pick up his Toyota with the police. So that at least one client, the story ended well. Which unfortunately can not say about the others.
Viacheslav860
And it is NEW ! The owner must be notified? — what? Suppose that a certain automobile was assembled by a car. Welded body, painted — and the inspection revealed that there were neproroschennye place, say, somewhere in the internal cavities and sent the body for re-repainting. Then assembled the interior, installed the mount and engine and tightening, for example, the amplifier of the bumper broke off the bolt — the remainder of the bolt drilled, restored the thread and tighten the new bolt. Next the car went on the run and sea trials, during which it was found, for example, that are full of faulty wheel bearing, shot down by a zero setting of the steering control, was opened to flow in a shock, and the engine loses oil through a faulty oil seal and knock the pistons and the crankshaft. Further, this car was sent to the Troubleshooting, which was replaced, wheel bearing, current shock, and a malfunction in the steering repaired by replacing the steering rack and the problematic motor did not understand, but simply replaced it with another, serviceable. For example when replacing the motor, raising his damaged right front fender, which was also replaced with new. I once again sharpen the point that it is a car without a run and all works were produced in the factory where it was manufactured. Further, this hypothetical car will hit the dealership where it was purchased some sort of man. So I have a question for You — What kind of car bought by this person? Or is it the new B\Y car body parts repainted, repaired suspension and steering, as well as, to heap, were replaced with the engine?
About this unlucky car of course, I'm exaggerating, but trust me, everybody does it... is a normal international practice. And intel in the production of processors are in fact defective processors sold under the guise of all sorts SX, Celeron — s, and drugaddiction with a reduced number of cores and cache memory, or working at low clock frequencies znacheniyah. C Seagate and Western Digital to sell hard drives with software hidden bad blocks on the surface and Samsung sells monitors which have on the screen there is a certain percentage of dead pixels. There is rather a principle — the less you know — sleep tight... In the end, returning to the subject of cars in Europe in all the system works, where plants collected from old parts, then on their production of their repair and return back to replacement parts for the same services. It's the details in the boxes, packages, with the guarantee of protective systems manufacturers and other. They are new parts does not differ, except a small inscription on the packaging — REMANUFACTURED, REBUILT or RECONDITIONED. About this service you can read, for example here — www.zp-avto.ru/articles/a413/
You came to the service and You return the faulty — mounted such detail. In that case You have repaired for free under warranty Your car, or official service deceived You, napar and how it is infringed. And this part down You its also a free will change it under warranty. — What's the hype? But in the words of Dr. house — everybody lies. (Everybody lies)
I have two friends returned to new car dealers because of the colored elements, and believe me it was f...th, Drover her in the shop on the corner scratched, or she fell of the truck.
Well half of what you listed-it is sheer nonsense, if something breaks on the plant this part or unit replaced, not repaired. At the factory there is a Department called Department. A new car is a new car, not a designer. The man paid a huge sum of money is not a homemade, but for a new car.
And it is NEW ! The owner must be notified? — what? Suppose that a certain automobile was assembled by a car. Welded body, painted — and the inspection revealed that there were neproroschennye place, say, somewhere in the internal cavities and sent the body for re-repainting. Then assembled the interior, installed the mount and engine and tightening, for example, the amplifier of the bumper broke off the bolt — the remainder of the bolt drilled, restored the thread and tighten the new bolt. Next the car went on the run and sea trials, during which it was found, for example, that are full of faulty wheel bearing, shot down by a zero setting of the steering control, was opened to flow in a shock, and the engine loses oil through a faulty oil seal and knock the pistons and the crankshaft. Further, this car was sent to the Troubleshooting, which was replaced, wheel bearing, current shock, and a malfunction in the steering repaired by replacing the steering rack and the problematic motor did not understand, but simply replaced it with another, serviceable. For example when replacing the motor, raising his damaged right front fender, which was also replaced with new. I once again sharpen the point that it is a car without a run and all works were produced in the factory where it was manufactured. Further, this hypothetical car will hit the dealership where it was purchased some sort of man. So I have a question for You — What kind of car bought by this person? Or is it the new B\Y car body parts repainted, repaired suspension and steering, as well as, to heap, were replaced with the engine?
About this unlucky car of course, I'm exaggerating, but trust me, everybody does it... is a normal international practice. And intel in the production of processors are in fact defective processors sold under the guise of all sorts SX, Celeron — s, and drugaddiction with a reduced number of cores and cache memory, or working at low clock frequencies znacheniyah. C Seagate and Western Digital to sell hard drives with software hidden bad blocks on the surface and Samsung sells monitors which have on the screen there is a certain percentage of dead pixels. There is rather a principle — the less you know — sleep tight... In the end, returning to the subject of cars in Europe in all the system works, where plants collected from old parts, then on their production of their repair and return back to replacement parts for the same services. It's the details in the boxes, packages, with the guarantee of protective systems manufacturers and other. They are new parts does not differ, except a small inscription on the packaging — REMANUFACTURED, REBUILT or RECONDITIONED. About this service you can read, for example here — www.zp-avto.ru/articles/a413/
You came to the service and You return the faulty — mounted such detail. In that case You have repaired for free under warranty Your car, or official service deceived You, napar and how it is infringed. And this part down You its also a free will change it under warranty. — What's the hype? But in the words of Dr. house — everybody lies. (Everybody lies)
If a person buys a new car, it MUST BE a NEW one! and not renovated. And if she is doing, and to be sold by a certain % cheaper and the owner should be informed about it. And as it turns out-not once ... right?
Don't see the problem. You as the expert didn't have a good repair? The car had uneven gaps on the body, the violation of the geometry, unable to set the alignment or other problems? There is an entry in the service book that the car is undergoing repairs, is missing the factory warranty? Actually the repair is made at the factory or by official representatives is guaranteed. And repaired in such a way that a used item is equivalent in characteristics to newly manufactured. I suspect that now begin to write on the subject, that now all is well — and then, after many years or kilometers the car, for example, creep geometry — so will write it off under warranty, and the manufacturer will reimburse the owner damages in the form of a new car. He worked for the factory, working on defense, and after making something, testing it. Freeze, overheat, subjected to vibrations, exposure to elevated voltages. At the same time, sometimes new, never worked for the instrument gets damaged as a mechanical and any other... In this case, if the device has not passed some tests (collapsed, burned down, got crack on the case, etc.) it is returned to the production plant is removed from it burnt circuit Board or wiring, washed the body with soot, raduetsa, painted and again sent for testing. If after this test passes, then the device is given a number and sent to the consumer as new. This is a normal world practice in the manufacture of technically complex and expensive products.
By Your words it turns out that due to some minor body damage BMW had to write off this car? Or sell it to You as scrap metal as You would do in the garage its painted and got a new BMW without run?
Worked in a corporate salon, with a reputation (in the body it). Repair all bočiny (straightening, puttying, painting 4элемента). Damaged during transportation, a new car! BMW 5! Sold as Nove! )))
No of course. But the dealership must indicate that the repair was made so-and-so. And warranty period. Don't you think? Still going there, I think your plans do not include taking repair(broken) car. And please pay your attention that for the same price. It would be logical to do for nego a deal, after all, is the concept of 'the loss of commercial value'. Isn't it?
A little ragged and jumps from topic to topic, but still fit and scoring.
Once again is confirmed by the phrase — a bird in the sky than the bottle in the ass.
While you here right here right now this particular machine do not convey that right here is the specific money — nefig there to catch, but a headache and hassle.
And a favorite tradition — not looking to sign and without reading it — it's all chic. First, put an autograph which said, then snot on his fist wound.
Was right Mavrodi. And after all, he punished ruble 15 million of our citizens (in the 90s) still an unknown quantity in 2010-2012. By the way, they have an active electoral right. Well, it's okay That's politics.
With all that said above I agree 100% But here is my story of how I sold his car VAZ 2110 went to the Bazaar early winter morning frost was 20 stood for about an hour then went a man of Caucasian nationality, and said go.Arrived at the local dealership the Manager came out and said all you want but in General my amount its amount has not converged in 10 pieces I agreed and it took half an hour, the money on hand all the documents to them.Then I stand and think in the pocket more than a hundred maybe someone will sit down at their fire and a guy was reading my mind says transport home need and home 45km .In General, I was taken home safely and guarding the car was sold local 15 Grand more expensive than took from me.Then I was the third owner said hi for a good clean car, at that time she was already 11 years. It was all in the provincial interior of the earth.
Yes, in Belarus, too, began to burst such a car-bubbles! Thousands of people remains without cars, without money! But the bigwigs will sit a couple years and Amnesty will come!
For me, the Dealership and the Parking lot for used cars, it does different things... is necessary to understand initially,
and the post is very nice ...respect!
Very useful article! Just now decided to change the car.Of course it would be difficult to say goodbye to his beloved BMW, but time does not stand still and it was time to fulfill his dream and to change to Mercedes. His swallow he wanted to take to the salon to without problems. Now, I guess.still time to weigh.
AS606
So wrong,
1) for law enforcement agencies main task is to prove intent, the Director of the dealership for the theft of cash and where it spent it doesn't care, they his task is completed, may initiate criminal proceedings, then should it (the criminal case) to send to the court
2) for the Director of the dealership main task is to pay the rent, to pay salary and to pay part of the money to the former owners and to give notice on agreements of the Commission to extend the deadlines, thereby to translate relations in the civil field and to evade criminal liability
Conclusion: Read the contract before signing it ! We must face the truth, sadly, but the money already no one will return (((
Who told you that Director in the face of BABIE ever see the money. For bogucany — (do you Google what the factory) the contractor complied with the plan, got the money for 2 months + on materials for the next stage and disappeared, leaving behind the hard workers that salaries have not seen and that he had known only the name and everything — no documentation contracts to detect and failed, Russia e*a thief.
Or pass in a pass — and gave no further your problem already. It is for the Commission to put dumb, if not to the dealer.
Another thought, all weighed up and realized that the many friends I have handed the machine to the test, no problems. And I think I will pass. As there surely was in the comments noticed, I guess the 90s is over. The more picked up the car already: sales.mercedes-mbr.ru/model/a-class and, of course, already want to get into a new car as soon as possible.
so which year are saying they don't need the bullshit, or sell themselves or through an official, a list of officials in your city is on the Internet
Nuzhnoff
However, the salons really quickly sell cars, and more expensive than would the owner. Well, like we have people noodles on ears and believe in the possibility to buy a penny's worth dimes. Amen. )
Choosing your chord tried to go to a salon in Moscow ) not only that, the stated mileage was half that of the actual, and in 2 identical ads were run for the price of 10% of the total cost, so alive I saw taped with duct tape mirror ) TAPE ))) and the car wanted nothing less 530 thousand, Guo was ready to give me 500 and even replace air conditioning, which didn't work ) said it is cheaper and better to find on that I went ) and after a week I bought myself a nice car )
There is a salon on the "Kashirka", Moscow. Long ago the truth was, tried to sell to Toyota Nylander 4X2 2002 or 03г.in. a four-wheel drive, to the question:"Where Kardan" the answer was" sex" And even agreed to go to the pit, that would show.But the pit was not reached, three times failed. Nothing changes.
I think I must be an idiot to sell through the showroom ... want to sell quickly — put an adequate price, will come outbid with hands will tear off.
Explain on fingers — Your car is worth a million, the buyer comes with bucket, which the dealership estimated at 500 sput and sput 500 cash. Bucket buys the salon, gives You a million and sells it for 600 the next sput. Profit!)
quote-"in the cabin in exchange for your car can take a car buyer, have invested their money in the expectation of profit" . Did not understand )))
Or anything special for yourself is not read. Circuits are known and they always are the owners of this business. The question of deception here, just particularly acute in terms of substitution of good units on the worn and of course a particularly acute issue on the Internet. Because of this dangerous. As well as everywhere else...
Example, all known and promoted Carpris))). Blowing in the ears such charms in fact only a plus for those who sell bucket-paint "lips", normal cars lowered the price to 150+ once only "auction will be held".
Briefly from my own experience, not that old in 2016. Sold the Mazda CX-5. Mileage 40 thousand. The warranty for another year, not bits and never crash, perfect komplektaa, headlights Bixenon adaptiv, MUFON touch-screen, color chocolates-metallic. The market price was 1 mio+. Sold it for all Internet sites and fell from 1.2 to 1. For m & e was given. Well and that)))), came for 3 months, three people to view. All. The money was needed urgently-cabris. 800 thousand...Asked for a second set of wheels, said around 10 thousand-laugh in his eyes managery-sold for 25.
Any diagnosis. A lot of pictures for the auction, which arranged for her))) and not for everyone as you think))) it is traded bought the same ones), not much will.
Just a question, wait for a car is not relevant, is very profitable and without it))).
The market is, no dough, no one... Serious with BU shkoy now.
salons this is probesize nabsico of all stripes.not seen there is not one good machine at a reasonable price
Yes, rightly said hero Genius(Abdulov) not scare Idiots.Human stupidity and just Paste to earn some money.And you just have to sell the car for the price which it pulls and runs.100% Motor runs these twisted.Dry cleaning is also present(stain, wool from animals)Stains from seals leaking trays and so and so.And for years can spend let's say 2009 - but in reality of 2008 and for 2009.You will not find all and to plead torment.
Not all salons are the same, a lot of work and the image, and accumulating the years customers. Yes, sometimes the auto stuff, but then the price should be appropriate and need to check the car yourself when purchasing, it nobody forbids. Scammers very often, but one size fits all for revenge, too, is not correct!
Caroline S
And where it says about the official? And about "write"? Reading-the three species was in school))
And by the way, reading was a solid 5 ))
Also, but not as the main activity. In General, a useless argument) and by the way commissions auto the dealers, too, are a bitch. At least Audi and BMW, 146%)
"many dealerships involved in the sale commision used cars" is very similar to sending to authorized dealers? The official new car trade, not spetsializiruyutsya on itaiwan bodies to the population. Although I know now that this is not disdain))
I began to read earlier than to walk. And show me where it says it is about the gray interior. Maybe I missed
And where it says about the official? And about "write"? Reading-the three species was in school))
I work in a salon and all that you wrote here is complete nonsense. All this information relates only to the GREY salons and not official. Even on his salary to argue with you
well Hz., maybe I was lucky.but think honestly of adequate car and price.well, liquidity of course
This applies to either liquid or car is not expensive. Better than both. If you are talking about the average price and above that is a problem especially outside the cities.
the last car went through a friend for two days, again not having to be exposed to the corrupt sites
the price tag was lower by a few hundred in relation to the market
the price tag needs to be adequate then it will work
You are lucky and no more. If we are certainly not talking about Logan and its derivatives.
vova1976
What about the fact that a good car will quickly go not completely true of course if we don't Moscow well, maybe St. Petersburg. In the province and a good car weigh months
if the car is standing at a reasonable price and not illiquid that go very fast
I have my last car was sold for 10 min with an adequate price tag
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well, well, still not one of the buy up not seen without nebalah, and the hosts also 90%
slavatb
What would be the point, neither was in the contract fine print, you can not pay and did not make. The main thing is not to give the money up front and not give title to the signature.
What is "many times more profitable" to sell? Three times more expensive chtoli, what nonsense is this?
And you do think why these dealerships exist for years?
Because coming from the village, from the villages of good and ordinary people, and given all the money ( just like people!)
The result is a Scam, a fraud and a Scam. For a long time people suing them, although the Treaty was initially issued on a three-day firm. Those it is useless to sue.
They spend money on a lawyer, other expenses and also for the agreement turns out they still owe the dealership.
It turns out that's where my phrase : many times it is better to sell yourself than using such dealers.
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Rare deception, your post. Fufel and advertising. Sdrysni MOP.
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Actress---- the profile and girly nick-----and is "Faced"----- you decide much advertising, you're a woman or man-----zotya in Poland must have been "parent number one" ungodly.