I am! What to buy with MKP?
Full sizePorsche 911: seven manual steps. But not us.
Just let's not holivara "automatic vs manual"! The reality is: there are buyers who are not ready to change gears on their own, and those who are ready. It is foolish to deny that there is a global trend to increase the share of the two pedal drive versions. As usual, we have in Russia the trend has taken a distorted and exaggerated view. The reason for that low quality of drivers ' training, the mentality, the lack of road and economic cultures, tube... Plus crisis ERA-GLONASS, excessive certification requirements. As a result, the cars m / t (manual transmission) has become almost a deficit.
We increasingly remind America. And I want to remind Europe and can count money and driving pleasure to love. Look at the two most important novelties of the European market: Renault Clio and Peugeot 208. It is an absolute future sales leaders. At Clio ― a choice of six engines, of which only one with "two pedal drive" box and another will get it later. At 208 (if not to touch electric version) ― four engines, of which one with automatic and one automatic offered as an option. All. And because we live as men!
Modern salon latest Clio: tablet, displays, ''mechanics''.
But enough of the lyrics. List the advantages and disadvantages of MKP will not. Better see what else you can buy "on the handle" in Russia. The existence of such machines in the price lists does not mean anything: sometimes they are kept there only formally, to be able to claim a tasty starting price. Example ― the Toyota C-HR. Type "from 1.36 million rubles." Only this poor fixed equipment, and only with the manual transmission. It even has heated seats! no! Of course, its sales tend to zero. And take on a rich C-HR ― from 1.75 million, and people can understand. Manufacturers with a marketing policy, let's call "Rogues".
Another group ― "the Economy". The choice of versions with a manual gearbox, they have a wider, but still this initial configuration, often with weak motors and with a limited list of options. These firms believe that the consumer chooses "mechanics" only for economic reasons.
Finally, there are "Adequate". Such companies select the type of gear box is completely entrusted to the client. Those who prefer the "pen", not end up in a marketing vise.
In the passenger segment And, in theory, the share of "mechanics" should be the greatest, because the price of the ACP in relation to the price of a car killer. Yes, and drive a small car with a manual gearbox quite simply – a light clutch, easy gear change... But no. We all topsy-turvy. Segment And, in fact, shrunk to one car – Kia Picanto. MKP he kind of is, but only in a pair of three-cylinder "rickets" power of 67 HP If you want the car somehow moved, there is no choice: "automatic", because it is a 84-horsepower four. And equipment is richer. Of course, nine out of ten buyers overpay for automatic gearbox ― although, mindful of the sales statistics of the untimely departed Matiz and Spark, it's unlikely they need. Theoretically, there is still a Fiat 500, but there is the other extreme: only available manual transmission. As a result, for 2018 only sold a couple dozen cars.
The share of cars with automatic transmission in the European market segment. Average — less than thirty percent. In Russia, in 2016 the share ''machines'' exceeded 50%.
Passenger segments and, in General, for fans of the "mechanics" favorable.
First, there is a huge competition, including price. Second, the price of AKP still bite, so modern "automatic" a little. Thirdly is the case of the Lada ― normal "two pedal drive" boxes from some manufacturers does not have, is not considered as such, the robot AMT. Therefore, AVTOVAZ has all the top equipment and "powerful" (quotes mine) the motors are available with the "mechanics" Lada ― "Adequate"! As Renault for similar reasons. Volkswagen Polo c sedan ― also "Adequate", because the 1.4 TSI motor, he can buy and with the ITUC, and in the top. But Skoda, alas, the "Economy". A similar version of the Rapid for the Russian market does not exist, and the most powerful Octavia 1.8 TSI motor comes with only two pedals. The Koreans, the French, the Japanese, the outgoing Ford ― how high the "Economy"...
Although the Citroen and Peugeot fat plus keeping up diesel version of the sedan S4 and 408 with the "mechanics" ― they do not have competitors at all. Another unique charged Lada Vesta Sport and Hyundai i30N with uncontested MKP. Of special note is the MINI ― for the vast majority of models "mechanics" comes as basic equipment, and automatic gearbox option.
A surprising number: i30N will bring to us only ''the stick''!
With large cars D, E and bigger ― all sad. Large German triple etched "mechanics" of all price lists. Even driversi Mondeo ends his days with only automatic transmission as the Mazda 6. The choice comes down to two dead 150-HP cars ― Kia Optima 2.0 and Skoda Superb 1.4 TSI. The second is certainly preferable, because the missing option, it is possible to get separately, and Kia with their fixed sets of "beggar" with no options. Kia – "Crooks", Skoda "Economy".
Turning to crossovers and SUVs find another infringement of rights: it is often combined with a manual gearbox, all-wheel drive. Type to savings was the most economical. The best-selling crossover, Hyundai Creta, with the "mechanics" is available moreover, that only with front-wheel drive, but only with motor 1.6. This approach is repeated almost all "Chinese", except a more adequate company Haval. Popular Bros Kia Sportage / Hyundai Tucson still combine gearbox, the base engine and poor equipment with all-wheel drive. In contrast with them "Adequate" can be called c Captura Renault and Duster (separate prize for the Duster with mechanics, diesel engine and all-wheel drive). Pleased with the presence of Nissan in the price lists, the X-Trail is also a diesel and 4WD, even in pretopology configuration. Was liter all-wheel-drive Ford EcoSport, but with the restyling was gone. Even small and mid-sized AWD crossovers can be found only on the VW Tiguan and Kodiaq ― both "Economy" with a 150-horsepower engine, but at least have the opportunity to play with the options. And you can choose any of the Fields...
Full sizeLarge crossovers are all just "mechanics" there is not one, even in the Santa Fe and Sorento Prime.
A full-frame SUV, fortunately, not always deprived of the MCP. Who said "UAZ Patriot"? Opens the chart Foton Sauvana. But the major players ― Toyota Land Cruiser Prado, Toyota Fortuner, Mitsubishi Pajero Sport, too. Prado with the "handle" you can even take in the base, but in the second set. But "Rogues" they do not want to call, because there is a real demand for such "naked" SUVs for the forwarding and similar purposes. Jeep Wrangler with the change of generations left a "mechanic" more popular markets than ours.
Full sizeAlmost all MINI's except diesel Contryman, by default, going with ''mechanics''. Even the Cooper S, as in the photo.
The pickups doing well on the market cars, except the Mercedes X-class, can be purchased with a manual gearbox, if not the top, in predtopovyh configurations. Of maximenu friendly to "stick" only with Multivan Volkswagen and Caravelle ― they also have powerful version. Hyundai H-1 and Citroen/Peugeot – typical "Crooks". The segment of the minivans are actually killed ― there were only Citroen C4 Picasso c uninteresting "shifty" version "diesel+mechanics". Well, the icing on the cake ― the almost complete absence of MKP on the coupe, sports cars and convertibles. Unless it's uncontested offer of manufacturer, as Porsche 911 GT3 Cup or the Subaru WRX / WRX STI (the first CVT has only just appeared).
In General, all is bad :) "Adequate" among the Russian brands ― units. It all depends on the segment, but to positively stand out MINI, VW and Skoda, sometimes French brand. In the most disadvantaged those fans of the "mechanics" that are richer.
So set up a business that will not certifciate and to import and release is not the popular version
Taxi and mechanics for 10 hours. Nothing is tired, and even without power steering. Audrey looking upravlenets avtomobilem.
Crete also has all-wheel drive on the mechanics of 1.6. Father-in-law almost bought one
I like Mechanica. although I'm not the enemy automatic. in kozatstva have a car and Mechanica and on the machine. do not care for what to go if the machine is working
Well, another element base, for example, well.
The number of gears has become more okay.
More advanced self-diagnostic system.
Fundamental difference a bit.
I'm not talking about such nonsense as the control unit when the unit with the brains in one housing unit with solenoids and all this is bathed in ATF-E.
brains brains are different. brains 94го years are not those which are automatic in our time. about the same as the ECU there and the ECU of a modern engine with electronic throttle.
Aleksys82
It is enough to compare the same versions with manual gearbox and automatic transmission for fuel consumption. But it regards the "old" classic analog machines, where the torque Converter locked on 60-70km/h. the modern automatic transmission, it is blocked almost immediately and they efficiency as close to a manual transmission. But the effectiveness of this significant complication of the design.
In what year did you graduate analog transmission issue?)
All that after 93 years produced in terms of automatic transmissions have brains equipped with...
Aleksys82
For Toyota, you know better, but grant you just what kind of game chase. Rather driven service men. Normal Pausini lukoylovsky is ~300r/l, and mineral water for the eyes, the same lukoylovsky, ~150r/l And change it every 100 thousand just about when and grip.
4 liters Pausini Onion 700 rubles)) what kind of oil he is referring to?)))
what neither Bardal)) so you can formula buying oil to pour directly on the weekend in Monaco))
You cite individual cases, compounded by geography, and I'm talking in General. Well, to hell with it, let it be pausing at 300r/l.
Moreover, the servicemen?) he bought normal oil. The income statement then with your finger do not need to compare. Personally, have 21114 on the run 30t.miles collapsed rivet basket... put the Valeo, I was brought under the order and such was not the clutch)
Mineral water in Siberia is not a ride. This is not the Bryansk.
For Toyota, you know better, but grant you just what kind of game chase. Rather driven service men. Normal Pausini lukoylovsky is ~300r/l, and mineral water for the eyes, the same lukoylovsky, ~150r/l And change it every 100 thousand just about when and grip.
Aleksys82
Here, for example is an excerpt from the manual on Kia soul. The tendon — not a cheap Dexron or ATP, which need 6-7 liters and replace Karlie 40тык. When it is not in any tendon of the automatic transmission can be changed independently.
Toyota Probox, 2003, the Aisin automatic transmission U340E, the slurry is poured now Fuchs Titan ATF 4400 — worth canister 4л. -1600 from the wholesaler. +filter Aiko — 700r. Changed every 30K.km. Carry loads up to 1 ton. Usually 500-800. For 8 years, and 127т.km. For automatic transmission only changed 1 sensor input shaft is refused after an accident.
The day before yesterday we stopped to take a swill in MT grants the cousin, and when I heard the price for 1 liter of slurry to the manual transmission, and polysynthetic was shocked, to put it mildly... 700r! And it wholesale. Sinetica 900. And the tug pulled him 140km, it was in January. Well, 7-10 on the street. Did 1 stop. Went 60+ and sometimes 90. After that 2-3 year ride. According to the Toyota manual change the coolant every 30 miles so no filter replacement and 30 times with replacement. Alternating. Filter original costs about 1500-2000, cork gasket original 400-500 rubles. And the filter Aiko — 700 with a cork gasket. Took over 1000 Asakashi — there is a rubber gasket that went in the trash. Left the old — we have to see how many passed. And the cost of replacement for, or 500-1000R. Even with the replacement filter 4L enough.
Surprisingly, the automatic transmission switches very gently, quietly. The contract is from 2500 to 16-20t.R. for bespoleznyj quite of the Russian Federation. What kind of manual transmission can be to go speech?!) there is only the clutch 3, the flywheel, the gears, input shaft, fork, etc. even on easy 09. Consumption Yes, I agree — the difference is 1-2 liters. But the manual gearbox I want to drive and drive. On the same grant the city 11-12 on my 12.5-13 with tubes.
Recently Peugeot Traveller took with 2l turbo diesel and Aisin automatic transmission — also a fairy tale. On the highway consumption is at least 7.6-8.5 high, and went and sometimes 150, the machine hangs 2250кг.
Well, gazelka hardcore all is well :))
I go to the Japanese with 2005, the tie was only once — when the battery sat down and the bump started!
I had to go to Gazelle to tie a couple of times, one of 70 kilometers, the other ~30 and both times was driving less than 60km/h. it rules. Over in formula 1, also brake booster there, and they go for about one and a half hours and attorneygate from 300 to 60-80km/h And once myself had the opportunity to guzelce another gazelki to pull 100km...
So there talking about a stalled car. I would never on any car had not agreed to go to tie 40кмч faster and longer than an hour. Because no brakes. In this case, only the tow truck! Yes, and it happens every 5 years, a trifle
Here, for example is an excerpt from the manual on Kia soul. The tendon — not a cheap Dexron or ATP, which need 6-7 liters and replace Karlie 40тык. When it is not in any tendon of the automatic transmission can be changed independently.
Well, except for a significantly more complex and expensive linings automatic transmission, its specific requirements and limitations in use, then Yes, no ))
It is enough to compare the same versions with manual gearbox and automatic transmission for fuel consumption. But it regards the "old" classic analog machines, where the torque Converter locked on 60-70km/h. the modern automatic transmission, it is blocked almost immediately and they efficiency as close to a manual transmission. But the effectiveness of this significant complication of the design.
nothing strange: of 5 cars sold in Russia, 2 for Moscow and 1 in St. Petersburg... so buy yourself all the guns (Dol*anye Tube))))
And the rest — a pleasure to read.
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The point is that in the pursuit of ecology in modern engines has narrowed the operating range, increased the number of stages in the checkpoint. There, the machines has about nine stages put...
Well, this is a special case...
Remember even as "chisels" rear instead of a first cut...
And the sad part is that the automatic transmission accelerates the degradation of the brain. Suffice it to recall not one case shown on TV, when Parking the driver of "confused" in two! the pedals and makes hitting on people passing by or mangles Strada next to the car.
It's a pity subaru stopped selling the Outback, XV and Forester with manual transmission ...
I agree that Europeans consider your money, so choose what is cheaper to operate and maintain, albeit less convenient for the same city. Although this is a matter of habit, the one manual, the other automatic.
from GT-R on the robot more buzz than I30N on the mechanics... there is not the point ... it seems to me that if there are fewer than 200 of the force on a 1000kg then Nafig not needed manual transmission car and so not edit and meaning to pile on it ZERO well went to the abate 500 well a good performance from her, and less fun than the STI & I'm sure for the right choice, BUT after spending much time abroad (and being in the circles of auto repair ) I say this: in Europe mechanics take because it was cheaper and most importantly because of the ability to service this car in the next service ... as such, there are places and countries where it is better not to break the transmission at all . SOMEONE like you will change the grip on the robot PSA or DSG in such countries as the Czech Republic Montenegro Spain? I'm NOT talking ABOUT the CAPITAL-namely, the MARGINS of these countries
Yeah, really sad...
Your car I imagine the mechanics never found, although very wanted.
Gothrom
The future for the ambulance. And then behind the hearse.
All right, everyone will have two cars — an ambulance and a hearse.
HWStar
The market situation without tears will not look. Buy what you want, and not something imposed, even if funds are available almost impossible. Shoved everywhere all-wheel drive where necessary and not necessary. Versions with powerful engines necessarily give light weight a bunch of unnecessary options. About the models and modifications and say nothing.
You can also choose any set of options...
All great, but the mechanics have more grip, and in recent years, his reliability inspires less confidence, the good old gidrotrans. and that will be more reliable, and the wife, if there is a quieter machine can be planted.
EndoSteel
IMHO, Moscow, and enjoy the ride — things are not compatible. And other roads are not much better. In the current environment the only two areas where the use of MKP makes sense — sports cars for track days and full size SUVs of backwoods. On normal roads the ride is on the handle — it is not a pleasure, and masochism. By the way, the greatest contribution to fatigue with a manual box make efforts on administration and background download brain computing what the transfer enable.
Sports cars are already for the most part on automatic.
With the presence of polipectomy switches.
EndoSteel
With a gun, then he's not exhaled. Well, out of steam, but much slower. The truth is I have not had the opportunity to compare two identical cars with different boxes, and there may be other factors.
You're right. Other things being equal, manual transmission, additional computations of the brain (whatever is not large, we expect that they are), more work is arm and leg. Of course it requires resources of energy. It is a mathematical fact and to argue with stupid.
I have Ah-sin.ovsky (modal) automatic transmission from the ' 90s.
Works perfectly. You can manually shift gears (sometimes used), you can clearly choose the time shift game the gas pedal.
Narada just.
When podtixov generally think: how cool that the automatic transmission, in a time when making a maneuver at the intersection and in one hand a phone and the second hand are actively working the steering wheel. Phone use (appropriateness and legality) behind the wheel will not discuss, accept this fact as inevitable in the work of the taxi driver.
Well, even the customers are drunk and brain endure, and even the hand pull.
Here, the automatic transmission is very helpful. And I assure you, the manual transmission in these situations you driving pleasure does not deliver. Here at fun with the inadequate clients is not, and is inadequate at least a third!
cord25
Thanks to the stupid policies of our representative offices and dealers!
Working in sales I really krenel from conversations with colleagues clients:
-why do You need "mechanics"? But then don't sell her the car!
-live in the city? Well, why do you pull the lever?
-the "mechanics" only farmers and grandfathers go! Take "the machine"!
And because more than half of my colleagues don't really know how to ride a manual transmission, if you had a test drive of this car requested his other employees. Utopia.
95 % of drivers (even those who know how to drive stick), do not know how to ride a horse!
Beepoff
The U.S. share of "mechanics" as of 2016 — less than three percent. Moreover, it is also decreasing: in 2012 it was 7%.
As it should be. It's called progress! You can't lament that polls have on the car ride, and nobody rides on horse-drawn carriages (horse-drawn wagons, carts, sleds).
Demand creates supply)
Residents of big cities take automatic transmission — tubes on the mixer get tired a lot more...
Why put the version with a powerful motor on the handle, if it will buy 1 out of 20 buyers, while others will take automatic?
mechanics the mechanics are different. on what enjoy, on the other anguish comparable to hard physical labor
Crete for sale 4x4 manual transmission , but there is a safety Clutch is clearly not in favor of the manual transmission
whitebreeze
For me, the ICIE switch that to move the legs — do not even think. The same natural process. And if the situation some, the mechanics feel much more confident, you know that the car will do! But, I admit that the mechanics on the fan — now many do not want to learn and spend time on the mechanics. Well, 《automatic》, like, rich...probably so ...but I see the beginning of this comment)))
If anything, that is a three-year experience of riding with tiptronics me, with some exceptions, I liked it.
I believe that those who don't like the mechanics, just do not know how her ezdit
Now if in 2020 the traffic on MKP to go🤦♂app,
I understand for fun, the second the RIGHT car to drive, and she tries needed MKP😌
I have a Sorento on the handle, all-wheel drive. The machine did not take because of not going on it
Well what can I say, I have a Jaguar f-pace, and when I was in Europe at the dealer, I learned that in Europe, it also has the manual gearbox, and we have only machine)))
I'm honestly tired tired pens, I do all my 12 years with them only on the last transmission from the handle, on the road still to go, but the city well, just hate😁
What can we say, if you have recently, even the UAZ Patriot on the machine appeared...
In Europe there is a choice, and it's great. And in Canada, where I live, on the handle just a sport.Kara. And I, as it was written here above, is not ready for shifting.
Had to ask friend to send me moskovichevskoe pen with wings. Machine selector on my steering wheel is, and the bottom freely. Drilled a few holes in the bottom, set up and so smartly pulled the crowbar, even the machine does not have time for me.
Screwdriver78
Between the so-called "wadatsumi" in General there is no difference, at least for the CVT.
But in order to cope with the mechanics, the DRIVER still need a little more skill, experience and understanding of vehicle systems.
Therefore, the average "mechanic" drives better than the average "Rifleman". Usually automatic choose on the principle of "I simpler, two feet — two pedals, otherwise you'll get confused" and mechanics choose consciously, you have to have to drive a car a particular fondness.
Well, you're wrong. Work driver, per day will nidergaus the lever, netoptics pedals))... working With food in his Golfiki (Golf2, automatic transmission), and really just relax!
DmitryAnatolevi4
Feet two, and the pedal somehow, three...
A buyer is actually right! The meaning of the mechanics on a purely sports car, or a serious SUV clear. In other cases — why? And class do not go, neither on the mechanics nor on the machine (you can of course delude yourself that you control a wild moment), so why strain, if it can not strain? D, E class — family or business car, on the machine still comfortable. Anything above a class, had been just automatic.
And the stories about poor reliability, wild complexity, and other garbage, it is high time to worry. Oddly, that's a machine so terrible and not reliable, and some fools 300-500 thousand on the classic hydraulic drive, the oil change, maybe even a cheap valve...fools in General, anything in life do not understand
+1. I Гольф2, automatic transmission. Simple hydraulics, 3 assists. Mileage 640000. Once changed muck in a box 3 years ago. And nothing. Goes, not moving, not stalled. Many a time on the rope to travel, to paluksht in the mud too. Went on the same Knee, but with the manual transmission. Dynamics, in principle, comparable (for the city so to speak — is quite enough), flow well automatic transmission on a liter and a half more. After work just go home and rest.