His Majesty Treyd in: How to lose the minimum in this obscurantism
Didn't expect my story about the purchase of the machine will cause at least some interest.
By the way, was able to communicate with managers who participated in this epic.
Said to tell you that no one was hurt ;)
However, one of the salons asked not to disclose the price tag, which in the end was offered the car in a trade in. See, not want of precedents. HYIP HYIP, but I decided to go people to meet. In any case, I will clearly explain my actions.
Promised. Perform. Go.
Why I decided to take the car in a trade in?
The mileage on my three-pointer was a native of 237 000 km to bring the car back in order, it was necessary to invest about 80-100 thousand rupees.
Not to smear porridge on a plate, just give you the example of the bumper.
Full sizeHere is a photo as a dad I take it. Winter ran onto the ice near the shopping center all the time, he fell off and broke off a piece :(
In General, climbed on cars.ru avito, placed the ad. Tried to be as HONEST. Pointed out the actual mileage. Painted, what and how to do it, how often change the oil. Mentioned about the nuances on the front bumper. Put the average price tag for such year. But you know the other "good" cars mileage was 100 – 120 thousand km Cars for 12 years, and they almost never drove one))) Clear the stump people called, but all was confused about the mileage. Twist I did not.
In short spat. Before heading on the assessment of training from friends. It has become a tradition :)
The first stage was given to the trace instruction:
1. You need to pay attention. Stand if the dealer BU machines for sale. If the Park is large, so high chance to give the car with minimal losses.
2. Name a price for the car it is necessary on the following parameters: the average (from her immediately chewed off at least 20%) + lay low for 30 thousand more than you want for her to get in the end (why 30 I'll explain later)
Okay. Went for evaluation.
And so salon No. 1.
I was familiar with the specialist of the Department trade in. Positive guy in trendy glasses. Chubby a little bit. Smoke vaping. With him can be an eternity to talk about used cars. Told him about the car. He asked about title, number of owners. Not crash, not crash. Asks whether the oil. I told you. He announced the average price tag on the market (it is absolutely quiet located on the author). While sales Manager talked, rode, they are all counted.
As is not surprising with the market price, they got rid of exactly 20%. A sad one that I had in my head stored up for a rainy day 30-d thousands :)
Usually at this stage all calculations under the transaction are the reference point for this price tag, and the unsuspecting client builds himself inside the castles in the air...
Then followed a night of negotiations, which were described in detail in the first part. In a day or two I brought the car for evaluation.
It was the stage No. 2.
Instruction:
1. To clarify: is there a charge for diagnostic in case of failure? If not, then with quiet soul to undergo the procedure. If so, let it be the last salon in the list. It is better to do stage 1, but I missed.
2. Despite pressure from the need to protect the original price.
3. Get your hands on a scan sheet, the evaluation (at worst to photograph). Believe me, it is a difficult task.
In cabin 1 for the diagnosis to pay in case of failure is not necessary. Arrived. Passed the car. Waited for 3 hours.
Call me a sales Manager and an expert on trade inu. The list shows that there is almost no polmone by car))) immediately cheer that everyone understands, a new car, etc.
Bequeathed to the friends now had to be affected by a discount in the amount of 30 thousand rubles for the elimination of deficiencies for the future owner. And, damn it, just like on the thumb))) Quote: "We would like to ask you for a discount of 30 thousand to eliminate the major shortcomings for the future owner".
Summing up: don't let this discount. As practice shows (infa from those who work in a trade ine): no one globally will do nothing. All this divorce
Then you just have to say no. There are two cool blogger
Maxim Shelkov
or Ildar AUTOFIT
They have a bunch of videos where such instances of dealers being sold, that's amazing... once you understand that there is clearly work of the devil...
As you know, wanted to pick up their diagnostic sheet... fuck ripped from his hands. Sfotat also not given. I blunted. So, give it up, don't waste your time.
In General, get the price tag like I wanted. Left.
Further, the final agreement with salon No. 3 (I chose it for the price of a new car). Agree, at the same purchase price of my three-pointers as No. 1. Wait, when brought my new car, then rent your old.
That day comes. I bring the car for evaluation in Salon No. 3.
There has already been paid diagnostics. I immediately clarified. If you rent the car and agree on price, the diagnostics for free. If not, kindly give 11 thousand rupees :(
In General, came. Gave a three for a rating. That day with the Transporter unloaded my new machine. I took the thickness and about 30 minutes, checked everything.
Here is a photo from that memorable meeting
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Full sizeThe mood was fantastic actually... Went to work.
Hear a call from my Manager. Says I have restrictions on registration activities. Yes, Yes, I know there's a nd other services. Lost :( it is Necessary as-that to solve the problem. I'm not going to stop there. Got really in very bad situation. Unable to trace the article to describe his epic with the bailiffs... hit their mistake and to circumstances beyond my control. Write in the comments if interested.
Full sizeSo, you see in Department trade ins, we sat and smoked, thought about it and decided, once I got into this awkward situation, I can something to bend... I had to tell my friends in trouble with police, they immediately said... now will bend to try. Can you at least 5 times to call back to say that there is the whole consultation, refer to manual etc. Stand your ground. And ask your Manager to get the situation under control.
I tradindex and says like: "We thought again. Diagnosed. Then repair the thousands to only 300. From the price on which we agreed, minus 25%. And say says come have tens of thousands of throw, the cases. Still 2 weeks with police officers will understand. There's no hurry".
I say... well, then you can assume that the deal is off. The evening will come to pick up. From the moment he called back 5 times. And if I was not aware, that 100 pounds would have given up. That's fair. You already saw my new car. So you want to give old. Even the bailiffs. Curb the person's skill.
Then the main conclusion on this situation: the sales Manager is your guardian angel! Only this person, if it has weight among his colleagues and not a pushover, will help you defend the price in the end. I switched communication to him and a few hours later, the cabin went to the original conditions.
In short, the pleasure is something else... beware. The trade Institute is a service comfortable. But if bend, then Rob as sticky)))
And for the rest nunca that may be, you can see from the video Sergei Ryazantsev. He watched it before you hand over the car
Thank you all!
Chertolyas
Welcome! I'm interested in the moment with restrictions on cars.
Just today, I am also puzzled) I don't panic, the situation is clear, though not to the end, but it would be interesting to hear your experience, especially if it is similar.
I have turned out. I've owned the car 2 years 9 months old, bought purely for monetary policy, issued on itself, the title native. And here, on 24 September, I gave him the Trade-in program at the salon. Not sold, and gave the pledge under the sale, drafted the contract, everything is fine. The agreed amount to my account, the new car scored — all right, a new car, I already checked, and ride. And today I get a call from the salon saying that they were trying to sell my car for literally 3 Oct restricted for registration. Climb up on the website of the traffic police, and from there move on to the site of bailiffs and see that the restrictions imposed due to the previous owner, the reason for the recovery of taxes and fees. It is clear that these limits are likely imposed illegally, it is clear that the issue will be resolved. But it is not clear whether the low blood. I plan tomorrow to call the bailiffs, the contact I have. The OST, the title is all there. One problem, I live in Surgut, and the Court case goes in Tyumen — the road 15 hours by train.
If you have had a similar situation, would love to hear advice/comments.
Was in a similar situation. We first have to determine who you have the bailiff, who handed down the decision on the restriction. To take help in the traffic police about who the owner on the date of the decision. Help, probably copies of the DCT, PTS, and STS to write the application for cancellation registration procedures in the office where issued.
So blatant demonstration of impunity) Clearly, thanks for the tips. Tomorrow I will call and see if in Tjumen more flexible bailiffs. In the Nadym-then, of course, people are harsh))
Hi) I live in Moscow, the older brother in Nadym. I PTS PTS lucky that he helped me to solve the issue in Nadym on the spot. If there is a bit of debt, I would have paid and sent the receipt to the police officers. If the timing is not running out and have the opportunity to understand, would take the certificate from the traffic police and put a DCT and would send bailiffs. But in my experience, they do not care( in my case their documents do not even convinced, said to sue:(
Welcome! I'm interested in the moment with restrictions on cars.
Just today, I am also puzzled) I don't panic, the situation is clear, though not to the end, but it would be interesting to hear your experience, especially if it is similar.
I have turned out. I've owned the car 2 years 9 months old, bought purely for monetary policy, issued on itself, the title native. And here, on 24 September, I gave him the Trade-in program at the salon. Not sold, and gave the pledge under the sale, drafted the contract, everything is fine. The agreed amount to my account, the new car scored — all right, a new car, I already checked, and ride. And today I get a call from the salon saying that they were trying to sell my car for literally 3 Oct restricted for registration. Climb up on the website of the traffic police, and from there move on to the site of bailiffs and see that the restrictions imposed due to the previous owner, the reason for the recovery of taxes and fees. It is clear that these limits are likely imposed illegally, it is clear that the issue will be resolved. But it is not clear whether the low blood. I plan tomorrow to call the bailiffs, the contact I have. The OST, the title is all there. One problem, I live in Surgut, and the Court case goes in Tyumen — the road 15 hours by train.
If you have had a similar situation, would love to hear advice/comments.
KakTuz
120 thousand km of 10...12 years is a real number, not row all under one comb.
I bought a 2007 car with 36,000 sold in 2018 with real 70.500, 35.000 i.e. in 11 years. In the office, closer than the garage 2-3 times a year at sea, the rest of the run to the supermarket/parks. On the other hand, some of friends, +/- the same amount for the year doing. So, I agree, it happens, but much less winded than mileage.
Lookman2
On my new Qashqai 3 years mileage 9800 km. a Second car in the family...
Such cars with such mileage is not hanging on sites with 100500 owners.
Astra-Shaun
Know someone with a run of 4 thousand over 3 years)
There are, but the secondary 90% of these cars)) this salt more than 100k miles almost no one goes)) We then also drove to the dealer. when told that the 10 years run of 300, the Manager told us that if the mileage turn on the machine you are on top poltos thrown)) if it is less than 200)))
Lookman2
On my new Qashqai 3 years mileage 9800 km. a Second car in the family...
Know someone with a run of 4 thousand over 3 years)
Here you jerks! I have never participated in a show called "trade-in", but in future plans it is worth. Thanks for the old!
the issue of bans on reg action imposed on the previous owner after purchase...
WHAT PREVENTS you to CHECK the name of the OWNER ON the WEBSITE of the FSSP? if you have debts (and large) to abandon the purchase, because at any time can put a cap on, Oh and if you really liked the car... you agree to pay the debts from the amount for the car!
kernelMriN
The entry useful. And on account of the trade-in a gentleman who worked from the middle of the two thousandth in Ireland at the official dealers of Peugeot, Nissan and others told me the following:
"A customer buys dealership a new car, pay for her a lot of money and, in principle, believes that since the machine is new, make it do nothing, you can just go. The seller in the sales process prefers not to puzzle the buyer a question about the cost of maintenance, because it can scare off buyers and lose their commissions. In a year or two the owner of the car it fetches the same on the first service. The garage, wanting to increase profits, buys the cheapest oil, only the viscosity was adequate. Well, at least approximately. If the run has cheat thousands thirty, he said that you had to replace the air filter and the cabin, and the candles soon or need to change the fuel filter if diesel. In the end, the score on 200 — 300 — 400 Euro. For the client balancing payments for building and loan for the car is significant blow to the pocket. Yes, good riddance with your service, a client thinks, anyway, a couple of years to change the car, change the oil and all.
A couple of years, he takes her on trade-in, and not to disrupt the deal and not lose their Commission on the sale of another new car for the deficiencies in the service better close your eyes. And then, here it is — a stamp in the service book, what else?
Then the car goes in the workshop for preparation. It turns out that we need the cabin filter (that is, if mechanics know where he is at all), fuel filter (if they know how to change it, so you do not suffer with the launch of samostatneho diesel), pads would be nice to replace that like not quite worn out, but who knows how the next owner will go. Brake fluid should be changed, in principle, for every two years. Estimate for podgotovku machines grows, threatening to eat the entire margin on its resale. The decision to do just that without which nothing, without which there is a risk that it will break within the year warranty on used, the rest pays better to let the next owner when you drive in a year.
The next owner on the first service sarasaviya account for the replacement pads, all filters and the message that the tires, in fact, already soon it is necessary to change, and belt replacement is not far off. Yes, good riddance, it's like half the price, are you ohreneli? I better change next year.
And again the car was in the shop in preparation for sale. Changing a belt because it's about time the oil and filter. Some Chinese bus, thank God, put it on the previous owner and they are still not worn out. Cabin filter, brake fluid, good oil? Yes, you don't understand, it's an old car, it is a very small margin, as we then sell?
And now the car is back on the court. "Major Full dealership service history only two ownwers, timing belt recently replaced, 3999 Euro only".
A tempting offer?"
(C)ploughlike-elk.livejournal.com/96384.html
multiply it to the Russian reality and the inadequate, plus dishonest millerovskij managers. Well fuck it...
Multiply will not work. Here the arithmetic is of a higher order, as min — the construction of the second(!) degree.
This recording dates back to about 2008-2009 year. The author's already out of Europe and has its business in Canada
This is the question why Europe BU depreciates rapidly. Well, photoobjall in favor so the dealers do not bend in service to keep the warranty. But very soon it is waiting for us.
The entry useful. And on account of the trade-in a gentleman who worked from the middle of the two thousandth in Ireland at the official dealers of Peugeot, Nissan and others told me the following:
"A customer buys dealership a new car, pay for her a lot of money and, in principle, believes that since the machine is new, make it do nothing, you can just go. The seller in the sales process prefers not to puzzle the buyer a question about the cost of maintenance, because it can scare off buyers and lose their commissions. In a year or two the owner of the car it fetches the same on the first service. The garage, wanting to increase profits, buys the cheapest oil, only the viscosity was adequate. Well, at least approximately. If the run has cheat thousands thirty, he said that you had to replace the air filter and the cabin, and the candles soon or need to change the fuel filter if diesel. In the end, the score on 200 — 300 — 400 Euro. For the client balancing payments for building and loan for the car is significant blow to the pocket. Yes, good riddance with your service, a client thinks, anyway, a couple of years to change the car, change the oil and all.
A couple of years, he takes her on trade-in, and not to disrupt the deal and not lose their Commission on the sale of another new car for the deficiencies in the service better close your eyes. And then, here it is — a stamp in the service book, what else?
Then the car goes in the workshop for preparation. It turns out that we need the cabin filter (that is, if mechanics know where he is at all), fuel filter (if they know how to change it, so you do not suffer with the launch of samostatneho diesel), pads would be nice to replace that like not quite worn out, but who knows how the next owner will go. Brake fluid should be changed, in principle, for every two years. Estimate for podgotovku machines grows, threatening to eat the entire margin on its resale. The decision to do just that without which nothing, without which there is a risk that it will break within the year warranty on used, the rest pays better to let the next owner when you drive in a year.
The next owner on the first service sarasaviya account for the replacement pads, all filters and the message that the tires, in fact, already soon it is necessary to change, and belt replacement is not far off. Yes, good riddance, it's like half the price, are you ohreneli? I better change next year.
And again the car was in the shop in preparation for sale. Changing a belt because it's about time the oil and filter. Some Chinese bus, thank God, put it on the previous owner and they are still not worn out. Cabin filter, brake fluid, good oil? Yes, you don't understand, it's an old car, it is a very small margin, as we then sell?
And now the car is back on the court. "Major Full dealership service history only two ownwers, timing belt recently replaced, 3999 Euro only".
A tempting offer?"
(C)ploughlike-elk.livejournal.com/96384.html
multiply it to the Russian reality and the inadequate, plus dishonest millerovskij managers. Well fuck it...
From DC depends on employees, many just market huckster in the system of trade in work here and use there own scheme of divorce and undercharge.
all the same everywhere in Europe and us. all I want to eat sweet and sleep smoothly
Borrowed from friends of the Germans in the German machine. They asked currently taking or for sale. We say to ourselves, what. And if, we would have shown you where the Turks you spin the speedometer. We said, it is impossible, the axe-head. And the address can give. So in Nimechchini twist!
It is a service like currency exchange, to buy expensive, sell cheap, and nothing to do.
Karpik
Bailiffs is a pussy... ! They feel at least by the gods, they do not call ever, dynamite only way to go. In fact, if they are in your town/area then ehat direct to them, required to give a certificate that removed the limit, it takes tradin vehicles, because the withdrawal base may take a while to happen... well, sometimes miracles do happen, can take off quickly and without trips. It all depends on the bailiff
Nonsense, through the state services appeal — my record, the answer is 6 hours after treatment!
And so few working days, not more
But if you go to the office, call, etc. — then Yes, you can get lost
For me the trade-in was extremely useful, I can't believe it!
I bought the car myself, very rare for Russia, and indeed (they were collected only about 1000 pieces).
Skated the first year of grief did not know, just passers-by a lot of the questions asked what kind of car, etc.
In the second year, tired problems finding consumables and spare parts and started to think about selling. But here's the RUB: strange the car didn't attract buyers, and time for regular screenings and test drives was very little.
In the end, I came to ML, which were going to buy a new car, asked about the trade-in. They said to take the course, and even a discount on a new car will do on this occasion. Without thinking any minute, record an inspection.
The first stage was very simple. Filled the questionnaire with the equipment, indicated the amount of 100 thousand more than I where I started to sell myself.
A few days later told me the cost, which I expected, i.e. they got rid of the 100 thousand most of these, to which I agreed and took the car for diagnostics. There's even a circus: there podkluchil lights, checked the bulbs and the glass, looked at the candles and all.
The verdict: you need to change the brushes and such small things, work want to throw 10 000.
Of course, for me it was more than adequate, I without hemorrhoids got rid of the problem from the point of view of sale of the car and still not lost money for two years of possession.
A salon then it suffered, they sold it for two months and left it only when the price took off to the one for which took.
So it is not always the trade-in big negative for the owner, your experience I feel positive.
Sometimes trade in only option, but not always. It all depends on the car age and mileage. Before the 80000 thousand better to start selling.
Laburnum
"So why the double standards then? :)"
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Because the dealer is a pyramid, which is ALWAYS a plus. In any case. In any transaction with the client. Moreover, in plus to all levels, from owner to Manager, who sits on the interest sold and often gratuities, and kickbacks from the happy hamsters-buyers. And with all this, the customer 99% of the time at the finish line, when he's already "all ready", I suggest the WORST conditions — relative to those which he was promised at the first meeting for a friendly Cup of coffee at the table from the Manager. Hence, yelling about divorce. And fair shout.
This simple, proven decades of the scheme have cause misunderstanding? :)
I mean always in the black? A sense then they work, if in the negative to sell? Show me someone (any industry), who works in the negative.
Bought 6 new cars from the salon, never after the "friendly Cup" coffee and the negotiated conditions did not worsen. Some times even improved, plus gifts... so I do not understand what you mean.
justNew
Clear-clear, that is when a person is sneaking around between salons for 10tr pressing, poking in the nose with suggestions of a neighbor, then he is looking for the best conditions.
"Well done, bent huckster" — shout it.
And when it does the same thing the salon, the whole crowd is screaming: "Divorce help money squeeze"
So why the double standards then? :)
P. S. with the work of dealers is not related, as it does with the business.
"So why the double standards then? :)"
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Because the dealer is a pyramid, which is ALWAYS a plus. In any case. In any transaction with the client. Moreover, in plus to all levels, from owner to Manager, who sits on the interest sold and often gratuities, and kickbacks from the happy hamsters-buyers. And with all this, the customer 99% of the time at the finish line, when he's already "all ready", I suggest the WORST conditions — relative to those which he was promised at the first meeting for a friendly Cup of coffee at the table from the Manager. Hence, yelling about divorce. And fair shout.
This simple, proven decades of the scheme have cause misunderstanding? :)
Serega716
And why the conditions of one-sided? Jur. person has its own terms of work with individuals and their individual entity. Publish in the electronic media public offer for limited time to pre-notify by mail about these conditions with notification that if they start messing around, with them of fooling around in your favor :) For viewing cars for test drives, etc. Come to the salon with two witnesses naturally and off the case )) This scheme working? ))
If you earn litigation — working.
I think that such attempts to lower the price after a preliminary assessment, more interest Manager treydina than the salon itself. Otherwise, the sales of new cars would not have had a substantial chance agreed with a colleague. And the interest in that, especially, "dull", not relevant, "old" etc., the car is quickly thrown off its pool of outbid with a small margin of the cabin, and a small prize into the pocket of tradeindia.
Gave her, the market was 600-700, evaluation of carpisa 500, treydin took 490, soon saw on avito for the 690 with mileage, twisted 100 tkm. 220 real.
If the trade-in worked fine, the cars in flight would have traded the people at the dealer.
But no, it is important to shake cock till the last drop from the walls of the bladder, covering all the walls around you :)))))
Oh, I have at the moment, when I went to withdraw money for reservation of new cars (and the OST to the new already signed), Manager for a trade-inu is catching up to me and said that once I got in the service book printing unofficial (although the license they have and all THAT more than in time), something like my former car is out of warranty and -21000 RUB to the assessment.
well, I agreed, what really knocked out the original mats on a new car in podarunok.
nothing, of course, agreed, because after 2 days my ex came to major-expert with a price tag of 100 thousand rubles higher, and when a friend called and was posprashat, the girl-seller with full confidence said that the car is under warranty (which, in fact, absolutely true).
of course, any phone disassembly nothing major :)