Chip box — logbook Toyota Land Cruiser Prado 2010
I’m thinking of putting it up, there is upsolute and r-box, they cost about 30 thousand each, the original tte 75 is somewhere, so I think which one is better. It seems that upsolute is the best in terms of performance. The original is expensive. Maybe there are some more? I will be glad to advice and comments.
here are the characteristics of the upsolute
Land Cruiser Prado 3.0 D4D power up to 173 after 211 torque up to 410 after 495 price 28000
here is a link to the r-box www.r-box.ru/component/ca…_id=1312&view=r-box&faj=1
Issue price: 30 000 ₽ Mileage: 1 500 km
For such an increase in power is inexpensive. Be sure to subscribe. Congratulations on your purchase!
Enough for him, I think for now I’ll decide which one to take somewhere around 2 thousand will be, and this is the end of the run-in)))
Yes, I'll probably stick with it too. I’ll just deal with the wheels first, and I’ll immediately order this bolt.
as far as I understand, the r-box is such a box that connects to the turbine and changes the factory settings of the turbo, and the absolute is a flashing of the ecu, if it's wrong, correct it!
they just talked about rbox for a long time, in any of these cases the oil will have to be changed at no more than 10 thousand, although with rbox it seems like it needs to be done earlier if it will be stoked for the whole + wear of the turbine will be faster + be sure to have a turbo timer
CUSCO
This is shitty, with your boxes, cars smoke and the resource is reduced, by the way, the r-box has 22 parameters like your box, but this does not mean that it is good.
You need to install chips that are connected not only to the nozzles but also to the pressure sensor, for example Hopa-Tech.
I'm a bit confused about something on their website hopa-tec.de
Do they have a chip on the GL350 CDi BE?
Yes, tin, only from such sellers and buy, blatant rudeness.
I don’t sell these chips myself, it’s absolutely not related to my work, I relate to this as a hobby, I studied the issue quite a lot and carefully, my goal is to warn people not to take any nonsense and then suffer, if you put such things then they are really worth .
It's not at all about Hopa-tech, take normal chips, the main thing is that the connection scheme should not be like that of r-boxes and vitechs.
And I’ll tell my comrade, you answer questions and don’t move out, you behave like a young boy, then you jump over one thing and say another, you don’t want to because you can’t refute it.
I don’t see any point in responding to your posts for one simple reason - nobody needs it here)
What and how is connected - including on our box - you can look at the relevant sites - this information is open.
It's just that you are behaving incorrectly - trying to promote your product at the expense of others - that's exactly what "stupid advertising" is.
And the fact that you are supposedly an uninterested party is something you tell elsewhere.
Only losers behave like this.
We sell in Russia every month 20-30 boxes for 5 years, and in your opinion I deeply ..., as well as our customers.
The market is the best judge.
Young man, you are an amateur or a deceiver, and besides, you are not responsible for the words, in the post above you write "I repeat - r-box, absolute, and our box - they all work on the same principle and change ONLY one parameter - the amount of fuel supplied ", the amount of fuel supplied can only be changed when connected to the ramp, i.e. nozzles, besides, you write that the connection is identical to the p-box, absolute, they have it that way, you can not argue, because I myself saw the diagram of their connection, as well as official representatives in the Russian Federation threw it off to me.
Also, this phrase is incomprehensible "and all the rest - the car selects the boost pressure automatically", what does it mean automatically without connecting to a pressure sensor, by radio wave? hello welcome welcome ))))
As for this “Black smoke on a diesel engine is an incompletely burned fuel (rich mixture) it does not have any negative effect on the engine itself†is
complete nonsense, just an over-enriched mixture and has a negative effect, any qualified diesel master will tell you this, just high temperature conditions, a consequence of a very rich mixture and kills the engine.
Everything else is stupid advertising, I don’t see evidence.
Just the same, our box is connected to a pressure sensor)
And about the smoke and the resource ... you apparently have a very distant relation to the operation of diesel cars, if you say so. All diesel engines smoke (someone more, some less).
Black smoke on a diesel engine is incompletely burned fuel (a rich mixture) that does not have any negative effect on the engine itself.
In addition, all modern diesel engines have overfill protection - if there is too much fuel, the computer limits its supply.
Regarding the parameters - it was about mechanically adjustable on the box itself, and not programmatically. Each of our boxes can be configured online individually for each machine.
Plus, it is possible to control the box via bluetooth through the remote control or phone from the car.
This is shitty, with your boxes, cars smoke and the resource is reduced, by the way, the r-box has 22 parameters like your box, but this does not mean that it is good.
You need to install chips that are connected not only to the nozzles but also to the pressure sensor, for example Hopa-Tech.
These are average figures - you should not look too much at the increase numbers - since you can only trust real charts.
And the fact that +25 is written somewhere, and +35 somewhere - this does not mean anything.
For example - what is better for you - if an increase of 35 horses will be after 4000 rpm, and in the range of 2000-4000 it will be the same as before, or if an increase of an average of 25 horses will be in the entire operating speed range?
I repeat - r-box, apsolut, and our box - they all work according to the same principle and change ONLY one parameter - the amount of fuel supplied, and all the rest - the boost pressure is automatically selected by the machine itself.
And this parameter has limit values ​​- above which you cannot jump - the engine will not digest more fuel than it can.
So I repeat - we have 10 (0-9) values ​​​​of this parameter (which neither the p-box nor the absolute has) and at position 8 the maximum possible for this engine is reached - because at 9 - it cuts off power due to the fact that the sensors fix an excess of supplied fuel. — i.e. the engine can't take it anymore.
And accordingly, at position 8, the maximum possible power for this engine model is achieved.
Your right to choose which product, my only job is to convey that by choosing V-tech you will get at least the same result and save a good amount.
I read something about the performance characteristics on V-tech, adds 25 hp and 50 torque, in my opinion it’s not enough. Or didn’t I read it there? Link please
Well, how can you define it differently here?)
We measured it with a logger several times - on average it turned out 10-10.5, it was 12.5-13.0.
We periodically send boxes to Rostov customers - if you decide - write to send.
Yes, and sometimes we ourselves come to you to make cars - we can install them ourselves, if there are doubts.
Thanks for the offer, but how did you determine that acceleration decreased by 2.5 seconds? What became?
The difference between the boxes is minimal - they all work according to the same principle - they are placed in the context of the fuel pressure sensor on the fuel rail and change its indicators online - what the R-box on the site writes about connecting to the turbine is, to put it mildly, not entirely true )
I work in this area myself - so I know what I'm talking about)
We put boxes manufactured by V-tech in Volgograd - we already put them on the same prado - a person is happy for the third month) I can even give contacts - talk to yourself)
Unlike Apsolut and R -boxing - we have advantages - 10 adjustment positions:
1 - the most economical
9 - the most powerful
0 - factory settings
After installation - at position 8, acceleration was reduced by 2.5 seconds. Fuel consumption fell by an average of 10%.
In addition, we give a 12-month warranty on the device and are geographically close.
And most importantly…) The cost of boxing for your car is 22t, not 30)
Installation does not require any special knowledge and tools and takes 5-10 minutes.
By the way, join the Diesel Power community - we grind many interesting topics about diesels there)
Estimated - because no one has measurement schedules with such boxes on an all-wheel drive stand. (Our company in Russia has only a mono-drive stand so far. And in other countries this engine has not yet been measured)
And it was calculated based on the acceleration and characteristics of the car (weight, resistance, wheels, etc.).
MadMaxRS
Estimated maximum power at position 8 is 220hp and 475 Nm.
Reducing overclocking by 20%, in fact, these data confirm.
And where does this information about 220 hp come from? ? What does calculated mean? It’s just interesting all the same, what kind of increase should I count on, although hp. and not important. But still.
About the test drive - no problem.
We have trusted representatives in Rostov who will do everything - and install and test drive.
When you are ready - write - we will organize everything.
Are you going to Rostov? Is it possible to test drive? Ie put, ride, and if you like to buy, if not, then be?
Estimated maximum power at position 8 is 220hp and 475 Nm.
Reducing overclocking by 20%, in fact, these data confirm.
Regarding the connection - I repeat - it connects to the fuel pressure sensor and changes the fuel pressure maps. Where and what am I confused about?!
In occasion of "smoking like a locomotive and checks" - the car has been running since June - there were no checks - that is, fuel overflows, the owner is very pleased.
If anyone is in Volgograd, I will be happy to arrange a meeting with the owner for you - see for yourself.
MadMaxRS
I read the prado forum - you had doubts about the boxes in general until you set yourself up, right? Of course they were like any other person.
You tried hopatech - you liked it, you were satisfied with the results - so advertise it!)
But not at the expense of others)
Have you tried vitech to say something bad? Agree - without any practical reason for that (you didn't even know how it connects).
Here, try vitech, r-box - compare, post a video - and then there will be something to argue about.
In the meantime, this is just black PR and nothing more)
You know, when a person feels his inferiority, he starts climbing out at the expense of others, and you are doing the same now.
Advertise hopatech - I fully admit that this product can be no worse than its counterparts.
Just wipe the foam at the mouth, do it in a civilized way)
Read more, people installed r-boxes and the like, as you yourself say, the connection scheme is the same, then they removed it, because the car smoked like a steam locomotive and checks popped out.
In general, this is not the whole point, your either a lie or ignorance of the subject caught on, so I did not understand how your chip is connected, by pressure or by fuel? you are confused, you can’t really say, how so?
I give you arguments, ask questions, you do not answer them, why? maybe you don't know? while you are going to work with machines whose price tag is from 2 million rubles. and higher ?
Judging by the style of your communication, there will be the following scenario:
- if the overclocking video is more than yours - "fuu, bullshit - I told you - buy from us, we are cooler!"
- acceleration is the same or faster - "yes, it's still bullshit - the video is left, the car smokes, the connection scheme is not the same ..." and a lot of other reasons)
From this conclusion - why should I prove something to you?)
So - prove it personally I won’t do anything to you and rush because of your messages - in any case, you will not recognize a different point of view, except for the one that is in your head now).
The video will be posted only out of a sense of self-satisfaction when it is convenient for me.
Of course, there is no hurry, but one must answer for one's words, it is not good to deceive.
Patience, my friend, patience)
Do you really think that I just spend the whole day thinking about how to shoot a video to prove something to you personally ?!) I
promised - then I’ll take it off, I don’t see any hurry.
So guys, I'll try to judge your dispute, Cuzco says what it really is, I saw his connection diagram - a turbine and a fuel sensor, all other boxes work according to the scheme - an air supply sensor. I myself sit on the website of the Prado club and follow its topic about chip boxes, and honestly the only one I believe at the moment is Cuzco, there is also a guy who created this topic, I don’t remember his nickname, but he has the original, heavy money-80 tr .)))(((To be honest, it’s a pity for this car, and it’s a pity for 800 euros. But I think in the spring I’ll buy the 20s and then the mb chip. So madmax, as the investigator would say, you are confused in the testimony))), something everything doesn't stick. But I agree with one thing, you really need to become - stock, chip 1, chip 2, chip 3, Prado 120 4.0, 200 petrol and diesel - and ride, as they say, well))) then we will understand who is the best. It's a pity that this will never work.
I read the prado forum - you had doubts about the boxes in general until you set yourself up, right? Of course they were like any other person.
You tried hopatech - you liked it, you were satisfied with the results - so advertise it!)
But not at the expense of others)
Have you tried vitech to say something bad? Agree - without any practical reason for that (you didn't even know how it connects).
Here, try vitech, r-box - compare, post a video - and then there will be something to argue about.
In the meantime, this is just black PR and nothing more)
You know, when a person feels his inferiority, he starts climbing out at the expense of others, and you are doing the same now.
Advertise hopatech - I fully admit that this product can be no worse than its counterparts.
Just wipe the foam at the mouth, do it in a civilized way)
\You didn't write it from me "r-box, apsolut, and our box - they all work according to the same principle and change ONLY one parameter - the amount of fuel supplied", do they connect to the ramp or are you a balobol?
Look at your first post in this thread, write the same thing there.
As for the booth, see here www.digital-divo.de/, I didn't notice the data from your booth either, it's all water.
About the reduction of acceleration in 2.5 s. you write here, give me a video, but I posted a link with an acceleration of about 9 s, this was filmed by me on my car, here's live evidence.
The scheme is not "completely different". And somewhat different - our box clings only to the pressure sensor.
Give us the data from the stand - then it will be possible to talk about the result, and not throw words about "sufficient reality".
I don't come here for grades, no thanks.
Regarding hopa-tech, the advantage is that the connection scheme is completely different, not ephemeral exorbitant figures, but sufficient reality.
As for the connection diagram, look carefully at the link, a completely different diagram.
mainz-motorsport.ru/downloads/Instruction.pdf
Pyaterochka also put in the profile? ;)
So far I have not heard a single distinct advantage of the hopatech, over the "type of bullshit" except for communist calls and slogans)
Outwardly, the connection scheme is absolutely identical to r-box and vitech.
Guys, install a chip, but not bullshit like r-box and the like, install Hopa-tech German, who needs to give the data of a representative in the Russian Federation from whom you can buy.
Here is acceleration with this chip, 0-100 km / h in the region of 9 seconds.
My position is that I'm not saying that vitech is the best, but the rest is all "bullshit" in terms of performance, I said that vitech is the best offer for the price.
And therefore, against defending your product with foam at the mouth - without trying others.
There are boxes and cheaper ... At Pickupclub for 170 USD. took ... with delivery though :)
Yes, I will send Oleg soon - a new batch has arrived. Approximately - to the end of the trail. weeks.
Oleg meriti will tell his impressions - if I don’t have faith)
In Volgograd, near the Prado, he travels with our box - I constantly communicate with 3 owners, there were no complaints.
About Perm and prices - write in a personal, we'll discuss)
It’s not evening yet, we’ll see ...)
As for the chip, I promised the person for a test, they went out, let him try it, otherwise it’s somehow ugly))
By the way, in the same place on the prado forum at the beginning of the topic, if I read they write about the r-box and the absolute, they are so they connect like yours, so people had problems with them, but I didn’t come up with it myself, the tubers wrote it that way.
It would be interesting for me to compare your chip and hop, they came to us for a test, we will put it on the same car and film everything, I will lay it out as it is, if there are no negative sides, then I will say so and I will even recommend it, tell me what price you have chips? You can even negotiate with our Perm, if you like it, I think they will buy it, I can connect it myself, there is nothing complicated there, business for 2 minutes.
I myself don’t see any point in changing the hop, it works absolutely fine, I didn’t notice any problems with it for several months, the car starts up perfectly in any cold weather.
CUSCO
WORDS SHOULD BE ANSWERED!
Cuzco, it's good to argue)
The topic, in my opinion, has already been eaten to the bone at the Prado Forum.
And there is a video about the "danger" of a larger fuel supply, the topic is disclosed and how the pressure is regulated through the pressure sensor in the rail.
The video is a pro chip flight - which is connected in the same way as viteh, and overclocking is no worse than yours, and you argue and argue) Let's finish it)
I myself have become uninteresting in proving something to you after reading the forum.
Comrade Zatychka for each hole, there are not enough boxes - everything is sold out, we are waiting for a new batch)
MadMaxRS
Oleg, you can talk a lot - but there is practice and personal experience - until you try it yourself, you will doubt.
Come on, I’ll send a box to our representative in Rostov for you to test drive - you’ll ride for a week or two yourself, you’ll try everything and tell me your opinion after.
They will install it for you and it's all free.
Mr. balabol, where is the chip?
oleg-330
Yes, not yet, it is not clear which is better, there are a lot of options, but no one can say for sure which is the best. I postponed this question until spring. Let everything settle down.
Oleg, you can talk a lot - but there is practice and personal experience - until you try it yourself, you will doubt.
Come on, I’ll send a box to our representative in Rostov for you to test drive - you’ll ride for a week or two yourself, you’ll try everything and tell me your opinion after.
They will install it for you and it's all free.
Mine works perfectly, there are absolutely no problems, the car drives very dynamically, the consumption has dropped somewhere around 1.5 liters, there are no checks, the dealer chip scanner does not detect, there is no smoke and burning at all, now we have -17 problems in the cold, too, no, it starts like in summer, think of course, but you can see for yourself that the experience is positive.
Yes, not yet, it is not clear which is better, there are a lot of options, but no one can say for sure which is the best. I postponed this question until spring. Let everything settle down.
MadMax wrote to me that they are now over, they will be after NG. As soon as something is clear, I will write. So far, there is simply nothing to write.
And what are you all about NORA and VI-TECH,
let's discuss:
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