The theme E30. To life returned!
It is time to finish this, ad nauseam, epic. I understand you, the theme of the E30 I already got. So much so that I'm not happy with the Stroker and don't want to ride it even on Sunday. Overdose :)
The post "back to life" over the fact that E30 with the Stroker went bright, but after 4000 smoked like a chimney. However, I ran a little ahead — impressive dynamics we received. Of course, the question was asked to the seller of the motor: "Vova, what's the matter?!". To which he calmly replied: "the Motor three years standing. Apparently the rings are a little lay down. Ride — things will get better". OK, not a question, begin to skate. A couple of days in Kalinovka was scheduled drag with telemetry. And I decided to give the rings will :)
Before that, drove 200 km Arrived in Kalinovka, left with three DmitryTeilen:
Then Mercedes W210 —
Great start — reducer unit with taxis. But at the top the motor is OK, if someone periodically shuts off the fuel supply. I've decided that in the mix and started experimenting with a flow meter. Nothing came of it. Three refused to accelerate well at high speed. My best result at 402 m in the day — to 16.9 sec. Compared to 15,5 sec. which showed my ex-325 — the result is sad. But I'm not upset. Decided that on Monday the arrival of one of the detector, will adjust and everything will be great. By the way, pay attention — even strangled and fuming 325 E30 is able to go to the level of some fresh diesel X3 :)
Tseo regulated — did not help. Checked fuel pressure — the fuel pump dying. It turned out that he is also from the VAZ 2110. Going to the store, buy exactly what you want for the 325 and the result was not long in coming — the top appeared. And what! But the gray cloud behind us has not disappeared. Though drove over 500 km Reported this to the seller of the motor. Says: "Try raskosov" :) We are used to. Vince this time do not buy. We go to the market, take the high purity kerosene for 25 UAH per liter. Full fill the cylinders, leave for a day. Compression went up, but the smoke is not gone :) So, advice — do not waste money on expensive chemicals, domestic kerosene works better than. Because the basis of all these window and chagirov lies the kerosene for a penny :)
The next version may be oil ring derated М20В27 not cope with high revs? Don't believe it. At 5000, they are precisely calculated, and the motor smokes after 4000. A new question to the seller of the motor: "Vova, and you're valve seals changed?". Answer: "No, they're fine. I checked them to the touch — not oak". Well what can I say? Really hard before installing the motor to buy a set of seals and to change. They even Ransu cost a penny. In General, imported E30 to replace the valve stem caps. Fortunately, Dylan is able to change them without removing the cylinder head. The next day, pick up the car, go on the road and the gas to the floor. Smoke significantly less, but still smokes! You can imagine my condition. Back to Vova: "take Off your head!".
When removed, everything became clear — the unit has a decent production! Where is the promised 160000 km mileage? Here also believe after that to close friends. But Dylan we "reassured": "Guys, I'm confused. I have two E28 was. Here on 528 and was 160000 km, and this is the unit with 525е..." We wanted to strangle Vova place :) And probably would have done if I had not found a way out. In the yard Vova stood recently purchased 525е. Machine without a number. Made on the basis of the excellent German donor, a salon, a perfect bottom, thresholds, and almost the entire body in their native paint. On the odometer 247000 km, Judging by the preservation of interiors, like the truth. Agree to pick up her unit. Drove both cars to the van in the garage. Bought pads and started dismantling. The had their work cut out — remove the two motor, swap them and put the MBC in place. A few photos of the process, which I did on memory:
Working disorder
Vova and Vanya in the work
Started in the afternoon, and at four o'clock in the morning all was ready. Troika got a great block 2,7 — generation zero. Here is not the words of Vova — see for yourself.
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And the five left with the unit worse. But she's not above 4500 spinning her go.
And here, contrary to the skeptics, good unit derated М20В27 at speeds in excess of 5000 does not smoke. By the way, misleading a caveat. At first, fuming, version the unit was Piscataway with other pistons, 1983. But the one that stands today — kutovyi the end of 1986, V. May, and this factor has affected, I do not know — need to check the same whether the ring.
So buying E30 for 2500-3500 get ready for big expenses. As a rule, fully repainted, povarka, repair, or replacement motor, new pump, viscous coupling, radiator, repair the stove, bringing order to the suspension, interior, electrics and electronics. This time, the money and spent nerves, which do not nourish. Surprises will be plenty! In addition to the elegant technical solutions like the inclusion of reverse lights with a separate button, there are more serious. For example, when we disassembled the cylinder head, to-Rui sentenced the crack mechanic, then uttered a curse. It turned out that the camshaft on the head М20В25 resourceful vuyko of the objects was replaced by a shaft from М20В27! In addition, in the fourth the affected cylinder and standing valve from М20В27, which is smaller in diameter than М20В25. And the piston from М20В27. So imagine the situation — you bought a good, at first glance, 325. It has a decent compression, it is not heated and does not smoke. That is need in repairing of the motor at all. You even found out that she has the injectors and ECU from the motor weaker. Glad your resourcefulness, changed to the correct details, adjusted the meter, bought new plugs, lambda, leads, and trio still plays in the acceleration of, say, your buddy's 525 E34. You're in shock! How so? Because digree wrote that the German tests 325 were dispersed in 7.7 to 100 and did the quarter for 15.5! Where is the promised dynamics? Why am I making machine with passport 8,6?! Continue to travel, to wonder, to puzzle, to look for reasons to dig on the forums, and not to suspect that the camshaft and valve from your engine capacity of 125 forces, and never you do not catch up with his friend...
But we, Thank God, it passed. Behind the year's work and spent a lot of foreign exchange funds. In the end, we fed thirty of the throat. As I wrote in the beginning of the story, neither I nor my friend Ivan to ride on the E30 I don't. Enough. And Ivan also considers that the family needs her unfit. With his height of 195 cm, the back to put a child seat impossible, and his two small children. After the sale of the three he will search the car bigger. Е32 wants a BMW or a Peugeot 605. But first you need to sell the E30:
The machine will give for 4300. There is no bargaining.
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any car which is bought regardless of price (well, maybe quite those who are in the highest price category are 2 times more expensive than the average car ) is in full parsing
if you want to ride on it
ie bought - dismantled - was otremontirovali-gathered-rolled-annealed!
Yes it is worth the money
Yes, it costs significant money even as something like a modern BMW
but what do you want?
a cheap car is Renault Logan
buy -go
but it's not burns)
ie I in all the car is always gone. motor
as if it did not go well)
it has become a good habit
but always confident in it
and the sale can give a guarantee
don't like pow blunder at all
even on sale do yourself
that would not think — and suddenly oil will eat or gasoline or diesel fuel))))
Good day, the holidays!
Yes-Ah-ahhh... the story about the cat in the bag... that is about the cat under the hood is impressive.
Success in the sale! Repost.
Good machine, only motor she was lucky, fell into the hands of uncomprehending in motors to the farmers))) E30 do you have to buy and then make your own engine, then it never will be. It always did. And there were no problems, everything was clear.
A very "tasty" story. Thank You, receive a true pleasure from such records. Well, thirty is just gorgeous, sehr gut!
Interesting article about the E30. Enjoyed reading about the pitfalls. Podcherpnul of information for yourself.
Decent E30 did.
Especially as parenthesis painted that had not thought saradnici.
But in General I really like how You write and about what, and many amazing learned. Very grateful that I do not regret the time to share your experience with us!
What is the gloating about the border? What do you wonder? This iron, to-rum 27 years. Yes, it can still break. And like you, will rejoice and write smart comments.
It will be interesting to read the border of a man who will buy it)))
Although the price is more than reasonable. Ah, if only I liked the E30 as well as E36 or E28, I would motorsa Vinnitsa required.
Understand) to bring to the ideal E30 it's like to plant a tree or have a child or build a house and maybe all together)
not pomnyu what would there Cakovci was in the drain and Wilde that are not cut deepening and broken, but okay
SoliMan
in the photo you can see the traces on the pistons from the valves(counter contact)
this zimovki under the valve. current not clearly why at 1 valve intake and 1 under on the issue ) can and should be WMS there piston scythe )
in the photo you can see the traces on the pistons from the valves(counter contact)
That you think so. On E30 light a wedge has not converged. There are many more interesting cars of the era.
Dmitry, you are a romantic and in your head forever stuck E30,its not there to delete.And I am more than confident that in 3-4 years you'll again wool obyavy with a special predilection=)And thank God that it is so I can tell you!Waiting for the article )))
Yes, E30 all the trouble of course(( I do Not know as in Ukraine, and in Russia much easier E34 or е32 find live. And if it is can be some random live thirty the price from 300 thousand rubles(
very interesting writing, a lot of information and analysis. But you say that it is unrealistic to buy a couple tysch good old E30, but they sell in just 4300, besides doing considerable work on it. Question — why do so few ask?
it would be a little lower profile, it's not a field...
and the interesting carriage)
Soldering
At first, fuming, version the unit was Piscataway with other pistons, 1983. But the one that stands today — kutovyi the end of 1986, V. May, and this factor has affected, I do not know — need to check the same whether the ring.
in no katovich szh and more power +, look at the pictures, and they have pistons without holes! this under at least 95 Benz
and almost there 1 counterbore in General, the current piston ? under the right valve and all ? )
You look at the photo of the block without the cylinder head in the engine compartment. It lambdoma version, to-Rui, you and A91 to pour.
At first, fuming, version the unit was Piscataway with other pistons, 1983. But the one that stands today — kutovyi the end of 1986, V. May, and this factor has affected, I do not know — need to check the same whether the ring.
in no katovich szh and more power +, look at the pictures, and they have pistons without holes! this under at least 95 Benz
Series turned blockbuster movie! Such a steep sale ads I have ever seen! But future owner all history available. Super!
Good reaction! Smoke like not so much, really thought smokescreen.
PS Mercedes w210 e not immediately visible bmwed:)
I would take, so where I am and where the car is.
We have old BMW's go to the main persons, who once traveled to the mountains on donkeys, and then came down from the mountains and decided that to move your body in space old BMW to the most suitable time instead of a donkey.
My buddy motors in the BMW as well and collects.
Asked how to do it cheaper on sale or expensive myself.
In the first case, is such a jumble of different parts from the disassembly.
Motto777
>The unit has a decent output.
What religion is not allowed before installation to fathom backlashes in locks of rings, barrel wear, as the mirror and noticed, the tightness of the valves, condition of rails and oil caps.
Master done, change the valve seals without removing the cylinder head.
We have without removing cylinder head no one, I'm afraid rasshirenniy the valve to the pot to drop.
What would the valve fell into the pot, it is necessary to turn the crankshaft and set the piston at TDC. Then valve will have nowhere to fall.
>The unit has a decent output.
What religion is not allowed before installation to fathom backlashes in locks of rings, barrel wear, as the mirror and noticed, the tightness of the valves, condition of rails and oil caps.
Master done, change the valve seals without removing the cylinder head.
We have without removing cylinder head no one, I'm afraid rasshirenniy the valve to the pot to drop.
In view of the good car, now apparently it is also technically in order! Went to two different 605х Peugeot(2.0 and 3.0 fur AVT) — like both comfortable and strong. Dynamics of normal, but not fire, though it is not their element) of Successful transactions! =)
Ask the question how the special 6 cylinder ( not necessarily BMW ) motors between inline and V shaped engine, what would You choose ?
Vova ran into athletes, and athletes ran into Vova. About the topic of kerosene — can, by the way, and 100 g of alcohol on a full tank instead of Vince and others Recently to my Studio two E30 for the drift came, while they were looking for me, I'm on the street the sound he realized the seriousness of the comrades in both under the hood in V8, more than 260 to be afraid to disperse. So what is Your situation on budget and nerves — not to save money in the expectations from runoff .
ThankYou
I would believe it was 3-4 years ago)) but I know a real case when the person riding on Nissan 2003 issue had the oil consumption liter per thousand and all the "specialists" he preached to any contract mill or "proper cleaning", or the legendary valve seals)) were washed man personally 3-4 times, changed the caps, flooded SUPROTEC, oil, honey, and all sorts decarbonize and other shit, NOTHING has changed at all. As we ate - and eats.
in the end, it was decided not to fuck his head, and just pick up and dismantle of mill, but to see what's going on. disassembled, everything was in such a wild shit that the rings had to pick out of the pistons with a screwdriver, ie mechanically remove the tar Hells Nagar(SUPROTEC, yeah) who was there)) all washed, collected, oddly enough, but everything was greasy tolerances, including piston and ring. and all oil flow is ZERO. any style of riding - level 5 tkm go anywhere at all.
again, SUPROTEC and other stuff I do not care
I'm talking about the tool that Mitsubishi has developed, when there was massive trouble in GDI engines, the occurrence of the compression rings did not impact decarbonize and for use on THE
liter on the 30KU.
Yes, the rules. Just what the doctor ordered.
Less consumption for vegetables.
GuyDeLusignan
I'm talking about the oil consumption. Children's volumes. I don't work. That's when a pair of liters on a hundred — and more — rules )))))
And the whole thing fills in tiny white gloves through the intake is crap for the office plankton.
Took apart and cleaned — it's manly
and 4-for 120 on muschinskaya?:)
when wdig began to eat oil more than benzyl — he just changed it.
I'll try to ask him to disassemble the old and... interesting.
when a couple liters per hundred this is the development of tspg))) more precisely it is when people say "that's valve seals" continue to go with the flow liter per thousand)
I'm talking about the oil consumption. Children's volumes. I don't work. That's when a pair of liters on a hundred — and more — rules )))))
And the whole thing fills in tiny white gloves through the intake is crap for the office plankton.
Took apart and cleaned — it's manly
Haha. Well, it's a children's story.
Then a friend of mine on the E36 Cathal. His consumption was oil, closer to what and gasoline. All friends testing collected. ))))
I would believe it was 3-4 years ago)) but I know a real case when the person riding on Nissan 2003 issue had the oil consumption liter per thousand and all the "specialists" he preached to any contract mill or "proper cleaning", or the legendary valve seals)) were washed man personally 3-4 times, changed the caps, flooded SUPROTEC, oil, honey, and all sorts decarbonize and other shit, NOTHING has changed at all. As we ate - and eats.
in the end, it was decided not to fuck his head, and just pick up and dismantle of mill, but to see what's going on. disassembled, everything was in such a wild shit that the rings had to pick out of the pistons with a screwdriver, ie mechanically remove the tar Hells Nagar(SUPROTEC, yeah) who was there)) all washed, collected, oddly enough, but everything was greasy tolerances, including piston and ring. and all oil flow is ZERO. any style of riding - level 5 tkm go anywhere at all.
the question of labor costs, each time taking the motor apart is unprofitable, and in fact, not very necessary, if you wash off of the deposits can be through
Speaking of kerosene, highest test.
Kerosene nifiga does not help.
If you want a real hard decarbonize, that is such muck, as Mitsubishi Shuma, everything is there, it cleans very well and hon because it is caustic soda so she can clean up very serious high temperature carbon on the valves, and oil coat on the intake, if flows through the manifold. But spoils the rubber, so just the intake it was not worth it.
And to decarbonize soft and long well podhodyat coal solvent and xylene. They are very well dissolve all that much better than kerosene. I'd say in better times. Unfortunately, they are much more toxic, so you need to work carefully.
E30 unfulfilled dream when it 15 years ago, dreamed of a lady, and now look and my heart bleeds memories came flooding back, not how much has not lost its charm and beauty which is still only positive emotions ! and I want to sit down and try with the wind )))
BMW in one word !)))
All parts of this epic read in zahleb. And really, I dream about an old BMW...But earlier when it was thought, after a year or two to gather money for the 2nd car and buy a E30,E28 or E34 I was looking at purchasing through rose-colored glasses, not noticing the beautiful body shape and incredible sound of inline sixes - those who survived the car, and those owners who were chasing the baby in the tail and mane. Didn't want to believe that BMW was good enough, and now they are every year less and less. Now, my dream seems not feasible, and it's a sad feeling...
Over 1000 km on the E28 level has not changed. I think that not more than one litre from replacement to replacement.
To do so even if washed, but it would be better painted...on the intranet machine regulations in addition to exhaust)) and inside quiet horror))
This mega-sports Bank inherited from the previous owner. Hands did not reach to her.
Terrible job! In this dirt to keep moved?! Guys, the engine before Assembly needs to Shine like a cat's eggs! You did not even washed properly. DISGRACE!