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Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED, 2.0 L, 1994

I remember that in one of the topics on the DROM.RU forums, about the FE swap on the GTE, the interchangeability and differences of clutches and flywheels for these motors were discussed. Unambiguously, all the dots over the i have not been placed. Need to fix)

As part of the automatic transmission swap on the manual transmission, it turned out I had two flywheels.
The first is from a Celica SSIII with a 3S-GE Beams engine and an S54 gearbox.
The second is a flywheel from 3S-FE purchased for installation on my motor.

Photos (left FE, right GE):

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

The pictures show that the FE-shny flywheel is heavier - more metal. I didn't weigh it exactly - but in my hands I can feel the difference.
Clutch Disc - From GE Beams. He, like the basket, fits perfectly on the FE flywheel. Checking the catalog showed that one partner is beating on the disk both on my car and on the SSIII:

31250-17040 (original Toyota)
DT-100V (AISIN, in fact, the same thing, just OEM)

Therefore, being interested in the differences in the parameters of clutches and flywheels, you need to start not from the type of motor (FE, GE, GTE), but from the type of box. On the S54 - one thing, on the E56 (including all-wheel drive) - already another.

Update 01/14/2010
Differences in the drilling of flywheel bore holes (FE and GE motor families):

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

Update 04/13/2010
Differences between flywheel mounting bolts (FE and GE motor families, schematically):

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

And in size:

Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED 20 L 1994

Update 15.11.2012, from Paramon FE
clutch (disc and basket) will fit on GE flywheel,
- Disc and basket diameter 225mm.
- The diameter of the working surface on the flywheel is 230mm.

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banshee 01.12.20

Thank you!

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ironbrew 01.12.20

Offset

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Jonik 01.12.20

Well written! Well done!

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banshee 01.12.20

In general - the same, the differences are purely cosmetic - the location of the temperature sensor.

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HAUSS 01.12.20

Written clearly! here is a question about the radiator? how different are they? (are such madeles about these years?) if you suddenly know or come across?

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banshee 01.12.20

Yes, on the FE the flywheel is heavier, you can feel it even when you hold it in your hands. And the drilling is really different, now I will draw, add a picture.

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undefined 01.12.20

I have a flywheel from 4S-FE on my beams, as my own did not get up) I had to drill all the holes by 1mm =) But judging by the weight that the transport workers wrote, it weighs a little heavier than the native beams (weight 6.9kg, like 6.7kg)

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banshee 01.12.20

Yes, here I agree with you 100 percent, before the swap I read hundreds of pages in the forums - I was looking for all sorts of nuances, about pillows, bolts. flywheels, mechanical brains, etc.
Probably it is worth writing an article on the swap box =)

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undefined 01.12.20

Whoa! This is one of the most valuable data, you can't really find them on the net, mega respect! =)

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banshee 01.12.20

Couldn't find?

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undefined 01.12.20

I rode 3 pillows for a long time =)

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banshee 01.12.20

The highway itself exactly? Which passes under the bottom?

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undefined 01.12.20

immeno =) Yes, with a swap, I could not find a lot of things, when the engine changed the fuel hose, I was tormented, I did not find it, but a new one is under 10k. Therefore, I found an office that makes them and there for 2k they did what they needed =)

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banshee 01.12.20

Oh, yes. On GE, after all, another filter even beats in the catalog ...

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undefined 01.12.20

No high pressure fuel hose that goes to the rail

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somebody 01.12.20

Thank you, I put everything on the shelves. This would be more information ... (comparison of parts with the possibility of interchange)

b
banshee 01.12.20

About seven, definitely not 5. I didn't weigh it, to be honest.

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1exes 01.12.20

And how much does the flywheel weigh from the beam? Kilogram 5 or 7?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Wow) Thanks a lot!

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1exes 01.12.20

Dug info in Net:
Flywheel 3S - GE Beams (with factory groove) 6650g

et so for information))))

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Mamoru 01.12.20

Hello, great report! Do you happen to know the data on the 3S-GTE flywheel? Infa is very necessary! thanks

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banshee 01.12.20

yes, no reason, glad it helped)

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morskoj 01.12.20

Thank you author, Big!

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SonicAltaica 01.12.20

Hey. Is it possible in more detail? :)

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toyoO 01.12.20

and my GE flywheel stood on the FE like a native ... only with the bolts there was a braid)) did not immediately taste that they were of different diameters)

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banshee 01.12.20

It depends on which motor. On FE, I would not recommend it - it will cut (there are bolts with a center fit), on GE it is possible, checked - they hold.

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exiv27 01.12.20

Here is such a question is it possible to use A / T bolts for attaching the flywheel (I tried it like they got up well and tightly, I understand that they are shorter by almost a santa), no one has come across?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Thanks again)
Hi, Andryukh!
I will add your info =)

And to get up - of course, I have FE for now.
In addition, according to the catalog, the same
aisin disk - dt-100v beats for all c54s.

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Paramon 01.12.20

Hi Max, a useful entry, I am referring to it again. I also took the flywheel from Beams, it seems to be lighter than from GE. And on business, it means that the coupling from the FE will stand on the SAME, the diameter of the disc and basket is 225mm. The diameter of the working surface on the flywheel is 230mm.

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wladik07 01.12.20

sell me a GE flywheel. sign in PM please

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malyi10 01.12.20

sooooo helped!

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banshee 01.12.20

Anatolii484

Good afternoon, can you tell me on the 3s ge flywheel gte basket will get up?

www.drive2.ru/market/offers/825482

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banshee 01.12.20

Disc, basket, clutch release - all Aisin

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Anatolii484 01.12.20

but can you tell me what kind of basket the manufacturer is? and which manufacturer did you install the clutch disc too?

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banshee 01.12.20

Anatolii484

Yes, I know a 236mm disc, there is just a s54 box, a disc with gte does not fit because it does not match on the slots, there is a 4wd disc from Kaldina, it is like a 236mm basket, but it has just 20 teeth and it fits on the s54 box. The whole question is, if you take the flywheel on GE and put the GTE basket on whether it will work

I have a flywheel and a basket from the 205th Celica, and the disc is from that Kalda, 3S-FE 4WD.
An ideal hodgepodge for FWD, provided that the basket and disc are new, and the flywheel is machined flat before installation.

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Anatolii484 01.12.20

This dude caught a star on a hike. the question cannot simply be answered or not. and so thanks for the answer. There are still adequate people

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banshee 01.12.20

www.drive2.ru/l/4899916394579255418/

Probably, this will be clearer.

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Anatolii484 01.12.20

Yes, I know a 236mm disc, there is just a s54 box, a disc with gte does not fit because it does not match on the slots, there is a 4wd disc from Kaldina, it is like a 236mm basket, but it has just 20 teeth and it fits on the s54 box. The whole question is, if you take the flywheel on GE and put the GTE basket on whether it will work

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banshee 01.12.20

Greetings!
It will fit on the bolts. But on the GTE, the disc diameter is larger. Accordingly, the pressing plane is different.

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Anatolii484 01.12.20

banshee

But it keeps it, oddly enough =)
And the box does not care what kind of flywheel you have, I personally have already worked with both FE and GE Beams, now I have to deal with GTE's.
I have S54-06D.

Good afternoon, can you tell me on the 3s ge flywheel gte basket will get up?

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VadimQrich 01.12.20

The point is that my car will weigh about 1000 weight.
and this is quite a significant difference ... and the load is much less than on the GT-handicap.

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banshee 01.12.20

But it keeps it, oddly enough =)
And the box does not care what kind of flywheel you have, I personally have already worked with both FE and GE Beams, now I have to deal with GTE's.
I have S54-06D.

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VadimQrich 01.12.20

Thanks!
The fact of the matter is that I put the atmosphere in the S54 box. E56 does not fit into the engine compartment of the mrs. (and there are no brands with drives and cheaper) the
disk in any case will be 225 for 20 splines. (I know about the 236 20-slot disc from the 55th box with 4wd Kaldina.
But I have a suspicion that this disc is still not as strong as on 205 or 215 because the pressure area does not mean it will be just keep the moment ...

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banshee 01.12.20

Fit 3S-GE, GE Beams, GTE are the same, the size of the drill (if needed) is higher.
Beams are lighter than GE, CTU is larger on the surface under the disc.
If you put 3S in the "button" - my advice, put the GTE-flywheel,
you can put on an enlarged clutch disc, and
then turn it on the mono drive until it turns blue.

www.drive2.ru/l/1503394/
www.drive2.ru/l/4899916394579255418/

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VadimQrich 01.12.20

Salute!
Can you tell me a little?
Are the flywheels from 3s GE and 3s GTE the same for knee landing?
Or just beams of the same GE c GTE?
The brain is already crumbling ... Someone says that they are the same, someone that is not ...

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banshee 01.12.20

FE are the same, both longitudinal and transverse, but Altezza has a different block, therefore, I think, and such a jamb with a checkpoint.

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BisonMotors 01.12.20

yes, is there a difference in blocks?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Mb, just in the box from the Alka, in the depth of its bell.
Where is block fe from? Noah?

B
BisonMotors 01.12.20

On a motor with a 3S-FE block I put a flywheel NO NAME and a mechanic gearbox with an alteza, the release bearing does not reach the basket, the starter rises, what could be the matter?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Anywhere, new parts are available in a bunch of stores

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ARROMA 01.12.20

banshee

Will do, the S-series box.

By the way, can you tell me where in Novosibirsk you can find a clutch kit for c54 in stock? disc, basket, clutch release

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banshee 01.12.20

I had a beams flywheel, it is lighter than on a regular ge, the working surface is the same. On the handicap, yes, more.

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ARROMA 01.12.20

It's just that a dude here tells me that on the beams, as well as on the gt4 of a larger radius, the disk. On the photo from the link, how would you assess the condition of the disk and the basket?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Will do, the S-series box.

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ARROMA 01.12.20

hi, please tell me if the clutch kit from c51 fits my c54-06d. Here is a guy selling a contract kit www.drive2.ru/l/4328048/

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S1bymer 01.12.20

I ran to the garage, I'll write soon)

b
banshee 01.12.20

Measure 5A flywheel bore and compare with 3S flywheel bore

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S1bymer 01.12.20

I swap 5A-FE on 3S-FE…
Is the flywheel from the manual transmission 5a-fe on 3s-fe suitable?
maybe someone knows what else is suitable.

b
banshee 01.12.20

Not on machine guns, by chance?

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SergFly 01.12.20

somehow he dangled suspiciously freely on them ...

b
banshee 01.12.20

From the ARP flywheel bolt spec:
"… Kit contains 8 x Pro Series M12 x 1.25 Bolts 25mm Long…"

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SergFly 01.12.20

12 mm turned out to be not enough, 13 exactly at least, I suppose that it is unlikely that 13 is the norm, probably 14… there was no instrument for measuring. As always, I took electrical tape for a perfect fit :)

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banshee 01.12.20

Ok, I'll just take it off soon, take off the photo of the caliper, directly in the measurement process.

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Kossitin 01.12.20

mb, I'm wrong, BUT I sharpened the flywheel from the vase on 3s-fe, the holes for attaching the flywheel are generally 11 mm, on the factory flywheel (3s-fe)

b
banshee 01.12.20

Well, yes, the bolts are just like that.
I'll take off the flywheel, measure it - throw off the pictures.

S
SergFly 01.12.20

banshee

How many holes were there in the flywheel?

I can't figure out how to attach a photo here, I posted a photo of a bolt on my blog

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SergFly 01.12.20

also 8, and the diameter of the holes is 14.

b
banshee 01.12.20

How many holes were there in the flywheel?

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SergFly 01.12.20

I bought from 3s-FE with Rav4, maybe they are different. I still can't buy a barbell))

b
banshee 01.12.20

Fit

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ZORRO21 01.12.20

PROMPT WILL A manual transmission WITH 3s motors from whist for 4s carina units?

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OpeStorm 01.12.20

thank you0

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banshee 01.12.20

From 3S-GTE with fur. box.
There are only two of them (205 and 215), and they are the same.

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OpeStorm 01.12.20

the question is, which flywheel to take if the engine is 3s-gte
and the box is e57f

b
banshee 01.12.20

Anyway, it doesn't depend on the car. Moreover, on the FE, the flywheel, in the early years, was generally 6 holes.

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Antixrist85 01.12.20

exactly in 195 Restayl?

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banshee 01.12.20

Change the flywheel 100%, the ge-knee has a different drill.
Well, or waste this one, but xs is not the node where the collective farm
would be useful ...

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Antixrist85 01.12.20

Can't you tell me - automatic transmission a540h engine 3sfe, when switching to ge, will there be a problem with the flywheel?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Perhaps the Kaldins were black-headed, 4WD. The motor is the same.

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PalPalich87 01.12.20

Greetings. Is it possible to put the A540H box on the Tselikovsky beams that comes with the A241E box, when converting 2 vd to 4 vd?

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Fish-Bone 01.12.20

Hello! Is this not your video by any chance?

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Vsevolod92 01.12.20

A very useful entry! It helped a lot! Respect to the author!

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somebody 01.12.20

Who knows, on 1s disc the clutch release basket will fit from 3s?

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IIOJIYHO4HUK 01.12.20

BOUGHT FROM GE)) THANKS

b
banshee 01.12.20

You should not do this, you will only get a small disk on it.

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IIOJIYHO4HUK 01.12.20

Damn, I still can't figure out how to unscrew the flywheel from the fairy so that it fits on the gte

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MrChronos 01.12.20

Thanks, helped)

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banshee 01.12.20

He bored holes to an oval. In principle, the flywheel is centered on the knee and this, theoretically, is not scary ...
But I did such experiments =)

V
Viacheslavgt 01.12.20

banshee

Oh, and I know where this is ... and they swap it with the 3S-FE just ... on GE (I don't know why) - so the flywheel had to wear stock.
Need to find out =)

Most likely it won't, but the boy friend pulled on ...

b
banshee 01.12.20

Nope)
Camry split already ...

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TypeED 01.12.20

banshee

Oh, and I know where this is ... and they swap it with the 3S-FE just ... on GE (I don't know why) - so the flywheel had to wear stock.
Need to find out =)

Learned?

T
TypeED 01.12.20

Find out most interestingly

b
banshee 01.12.20

Oh, and I know where this is ... and they swap it with the 3S-FE just ... on GE (I don't know why) - so the flywheel had to wear stock.
Need to find out =)

T
TypeED 01.12.20

Do you have a Camry 25?

b
banshee 01.12.20

On my even there was no such)))

T
TypeED 01.12.20

What confusion I tell you that on Fe the Flywheel from GTA is worth)) from the factory)

b
banshee 01.12.20

Choito?
Alexy, in the photo - my flywheels, do not bring confusion!
=)

T
TypeED 01.12.20

Well, then the myth that the flywheels are different in the bolt pattern is a myth. )))

b
banshee 01.12.20

This means that the knee has a bolt pattern, like on a CTU.
3S-FE, so it was with a knee and 6 bolts.
It was with this that I twisted 6 bolts with a swap.
Two more turners made of GE'MT.

T
TypeED 01.12.20

Is there an answer to this question? On Camry SV25L-UEMNKG; EUROPE 3S-FE, flywheel 13405-74080 was installed . The same Flywheel is installed on Celica ST16-20 3S-GTE, Caldina ST2 ** 3S-GTE. So how does he get on the Camry with 3S-FE If the bolt pattern is different?

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SoHuK-Tomsk 01.12.20

Yes

V
Viacheslavgt 01.12.20

On the flywheel from the usual ge will get a basket from Fe?

V
Viacheslavgt 01.12.20

Thank you friend! The article helped

b
banshee 01.12.20

Well, that's right, more - that's why we take an enlarged clutch disc under the load of the CTU and 20 splines.

V
Viacheslavgt 01.12.20

Here, after the swap, I can say that the flywheel from fe Kaldina is full drive by 11 mm more than the flywheel from a seliki beams or ordinary ge! Traction disc diameter 236 mm (fe 4vd)

V
Viacheslavgt 01.12.20

Guys, the question on the car is the flywheel ge, I want to take a new one, I don’t know which flywheel from which model of car exactly ... I wonder the flywheels for different generations differ in the fastening of the basket?

b
banshee 01.12.20

Hello no

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lctcl 01.12.20

Hey. can I put a basket on the flywheel of the fairy and link it from the same?