Differences between flywheels and clutches on 3S-FE and 3S-GE - Toyota Carina ED, 2.0 L, 1994
I remember that in one of the topics on the DROM.RU forums, about the FE swap on the GTE, the interchangeability and differences of clutches and flywheels for these motors were discussed. Unambiguously, all the dots over the i have not been placed. Need to fix)
As part of the automatic transmission swap on the manual transmission, it turned out I had two flywheels.
The first is from a Celica SSIII with a 3S-GE Beams engine and an S54 gearbox.
The second is a flywheel from 3S-FE purchased for installation on my motor.
Photos (left FE, right GE):
The pictures show that the FE-shny flywheel is heavier - more metal. I didn't weigh it exactly - but in my hands I can feel the difference.
Clutch Disc - From GE Beams. He, like the basket, fits perfectly on the FE flywheel. Checking the catalog showed that one partner is beating on the disk both on my car and on the SSIII:
31250-17040 (original Toyota)
DT-100V (AISIN, in fact, the same thing, just OEM)
Therefore, being interested in the differences in the parameters of clutches and flywheels, you need to start not from the type of motor (FE, GE, GTE), but from the type of box. On the S54 - one thing, on the E56 (including all-wheel drive) - already another.
Update 01/14/2010
Differences in the drilling of flywheel bore holes (FE and GE motor families):
Update 04/13/2010
Differences between flywheel mounting bolts (FE and GE motor families, schematically):
And in size:
Update 15.11.2012, from Paramon FE
clutch (disc and basket) will fit on GE flywheel,
- Disc and basket diameter 225mm.
- The diameter of the working surface on the flywheel is 230mm.
In general - the same, the differences are purely cosmetic - the location of the temperature sensor.
Written clearly! here is a question about the radiator? how different are they? (are such madeles about these years?) if you suddenly know or come across?
Yes, on the FE the flywheel is heavier, you can feel it even when you hold it in your hands. And the drilling is really different, now I will draw, add a picture.
I have a flywheel from 4S-FE on my beams, as my own did not get up) I had to drill all the holes by 1mm =) But judging by the weight that the transport workers wrote, it weighs a little heavier than the native beams (weight 6.9kg, like 6.7kg)
Yes, here I agree with you 100 percent, before the swap I read hundreds of pages in the forums - I was looking for all sorts of nuances, about pillows, bolts. flywheels, mechanical brains, etc.
Probably it is worth writing an article on the swap box =)
Whoa! This is one of the most valuable data, you can't really find them on the net, mega respect! =)
immeno =) Yes, with a swap, I could not find a lot of things, when the engine changed the fuel hose, I was tormented, I did not find it, but a new one is under 10k. Therefore, I found an office that makes them and there for 2k they did what they needed =)
Thank you, I put everything on the shelves. This would be more information ... (comparison of parts with the possibility of interchange)
Dug info in Net:
Flywheel 3S - GE Beams (with factory groove) 6650g
et so for information))))
Hello, great report! Do you happen to know the data on the 3S-GTE flywheel? Infa is very necessary! thanks
and my GE flywheel stood on the FE like a native ... only with the bolts there was a braid)) did not immediately taste that they were of different diameters)
It depends on which motor. On FE, I would not recommend it - it will cut (there are bolts with a center fit), on GE it is possible, checked - they hold.
Here is such a question is it possible to use A / T bolts for attaching the flywheel (I tried it like they got up well and tightly, I understand that they are shorter by almost a santa), no one has come across?
Thanks again)
Hi, Andryukh!
I will add your info =)
And to get up - of course, I have FE for now.
In addition, according to the catalog, the same
aisin disk - dt-100v beats for all c54s.
Hi Max, a useful entry, I am referring to it again. I also took the flywheel from Beams, it seems to be lighter than from GE. And on business, it means that the coupling from the FE will stand on the SAME, the diameter of the disc and basket is 225mm. The diameter of the working surface on the flywheel is 230mm.
Anatolii484
Good afternoon, can you tell me on the 3s ge flywheel gte basket will get up?
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but can you tell me what kind of basket the manufacturer is? and which manufacturer did you install the clutch disc too?
Anatolii484
Yes, I know a 236mm disc, there is just a s54 box, a disc with gte does not fit because it does not match on the slots, there is a 4wd disc from Kaldina, it is like a 236mm basket, but it has just 20 teeth and it fits on the s54 box. The whole question is, if you take the flywheel on GE and put the GTE basket on whether it will work
I have a flywheel and a basket from the 205th Celica, and the disc is from that Kalda, 3S-FE 4WD.
An ideal hodgepodge for FWD, provided that the basket and disc are new, and the flywheel is machined flat before installation.
This dude caught a star on a hike. the question cannot simply be answered or not. and so thanks for the answer. There are still adequate people
Yes, I know a 236mm disc, there is just a s54 box, a disc with gte does not fit because it does not match on the slots, there is a 4wd disc from Kaldina, it is like a 236mm basket, but it has just 20 teeth and it fits on the s54 box. The whole question is, if you take the flywheel on GE and put the GTE basket on whether it will work
Greetings!
It will fit on the bolts. But on the GTE, the disc diameter is larger. Accordingly, the pressing plane is different.
banshee
But it keeps it, oddly enough =)
And the box does not care what kind of flywheel you have, I personally have already worked with both FE and GE Beams, now I have to deal with GTE's.
I have S54-06D.
Good afternoon, can you tell me on the 3s ge flywheel gte basket will get up?
The point is that my car will weigh about 1000 weight.
and this is quite a significant difference ... and the load is much less than on the GT-handicap.
But it keeps it, oddly enough =)
And the box does not care what kind of flywheel you have, I personally have already worked with both FE and GE Beams, now I have to deal with GTE's.
I have S54-06D.
Thanks!
The fact of the matter is that I put the atmosphere in the S54 box. E56 does not fit into the engine compartment of the mrs. (and there are no brands with drives and cheaper) the
disk in any case will be 225 for 20 splines. (I know about the 236 20-slot disc from the 55th box with 4wd Kaldina.
But I have a suspicion that this disc is still not as strong as on 205 or 215 because the pressure area does not mean it will be just keep the moment ...
Fit 3S-GE, GE Beams, GTE are the same, the size of the drill (if needed) is higher.
Beams are lighter than GE, CTU is larger on the surface under the disc.
If you put 3S in the "button" - my advice, put the GTE-flywheel,
you can put on an enlarged clutch disc, and
then turn it on the mono drive until it turns blue.
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Salute!
Can you tell me a little?
Are the flywheels from 3s GE and 3s GTE the same for knee landing?
Or just beams of the same GE c GTE?
The brain is already crumbling ... Someone says that they are the same, someone that is not ...
FE are the same, both longitudinal and transverse, but Altezza has a different block, therefore, I think, and such a jamb with a checkpoint.
Mb, just in the box from the Alka, in the depth of its bell.
Where is block fe from? Noah?
On a motor with a 3S-FE block I put a flywheel NO NAME and a mechanic gearbox with an alteza, the release bearing does not reach the basket, the starter rises, what could be the matter?
banshee
Will do, the S-series box.
By the way, can you tell me where in Novosibirsk you can find a clutch kit for c54 in stock? disc, basket, clutch release
I had a beams flywheel, it is lighter than on a regular ge, the working surface is the same. On the handicap, yes, more.
It's just that a dude here tells me that on the beams, as well as on the gt4 of a larger radius, the disk. On the photo from the link, how would you assess the condition of the disk and the basket?
hi, please tell me if the clutch kit from c51 fits my c54-06d. Here is a guy selling a contract kit www.drive2.ru/l/4328048/
I swap 5A-FE on 3S-FE…
Is the flywheel from the manual transmission 5a-fe on 3s-fe suitable?
maybe someone knows what else is suitable.
From the ARP flywheel bolt spec:
"… Kit contains 8 x Pro Series M12 x 1.25 Bolts 25mm Long…"
12 mm turned out to be not enough, 13 exactly at least, I suppose that it is unlikely that 13 is the norm, probably 14… there was no instrument for measuring. As always, I took electrical tape for a perfect fit :)
Ok, I'll just take it off soon, take off the photo of the caliper, directly in the measurement process.
mb, I'm wrong, BUT I sharpened the flywheel from the vase on 3s-fe, the holes for attaching the flywheel are generally 11 mm, on the factory flywheel (3s-fe)
Well, yes, the bolts are just like that.
I'll take off the flywheel, measure it - throw off the pictures.
banshee
How many holes were there in the flywheel?
I can't figure out how to attach a photo here, I posted a photo of a bolt on my blog
I bought from 3s-FE with Rav4, maybe they are different. I still can't buy a barbell))
From 3S-GTE with fur. box.
There are only two of them (205 and 215), and they are the same.
the question is, which flywheel to take if the engine is 3s-gte
and the box is e57f
Anyway, it doesn't depend on the car. Moreover, on the FE, the flywheel, in the early years, was generally 6 holes.
Change the flywheel 100%, the ge-knee has a different drill.
Well, or waste this one, but xs is not the node where the collective farm
would be useful ...
Can't you tell me - automatic transmission a540h engine 3sfe, when switching to ge, will there be a problem with the flywheel?
Greetings. Is it possible to put the A540H box on the Tselikovsky beams that comes with the A241E box, when converting 2 vd to 4 vd?
Damn, I still can't figure out how to unscrew the flywheel from the fairy so that it fits on the gte
He bored holes to an oval. In principle, the flywheel is centered on the knee and this, theoretically, is not scary ...
But I did such experiments =)
banshee
Oh, and I know where this is ... and they swap it with the 3S-FE just ... on GE (I don't know why) - so the flywheel had to wear stock.
Need to find out =)
Most likely it won't, but the boy friend pulled on ...
banshee
Oh, and I know where this is ... and they swap it with the 3S-FE just ... on GE (I don't know why) - so the flywheel had to wear stock.
Need to find out =)
Learned?
Oh, and I know where this is ... and they swap it with the 3S-FE just ... on GE (I don't know why) - so the flywheel had to wear stock.
Need to find out =)
What confusion I tell you that on Fe the Flywheel from GTA is worth)) from the factory)
Well, then the myth that the flywheels are different in the bolt pattern is a myth. )))
This means that the knee has a bolt pattern, like on a CTU.
3S-FE, so it was with a knee and 6 bolts.
It was with this that I twisted 6 bolts with a swap.
Two more turners made of GE'MT.
Is there an answer to this question? On Camry SV25L-UEMNKG; EUROPE 3S-FE, flywheel 13405-74080 was installed . The same Flywheel is installed on Celica ST16-20 3S-GTE, Caldina ST2 ** 3S-GTE. So how does he get on the Camry with 3S-FE If the bolt pattern is different?
Well, that's right, more - that's why we take an enlarged clutch disc under the load of the CTU and 20 splines.
Here, after the swap, I can say that the flywheel from fe Kaldina is full drive by 11 mm more than the flywheel from a seliki beams or ordinary ge! Traction disc diameter 236 mm (fe 4vd)
Guys, the question on the car is the flywheel ge, I want to take a new one, I don’t know which flywheel from which model of car exactly ... I wonder the flywheels for different generations differ in the fastening of the basket?