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Coilovers, cooking recipe Part 1 - logbook Toyota Cresta, 1984

Let me tell you my story about coilovers. Who does not know, these are essentially the same racks only with more progressive x-kami and the possibility of adjustments in height, compression-rebound, camber, castor.
Now it's time for me to get these things. Due to the lack of living specimens on the yacht with an adequate price tag, I decided to try to do it myself, because it is not structurally difficult, it is only important to know some basic parameters from which to build

To begin with, the iron that was needed:
TRD cartridges - 48511-TA001
TEIN springs - L120-GCC
Screw set for height adjustment
Cusco strut supports + washers
Well, the struts themselves with nuts

   1 Toyota Cresta 25 1984

I didn’t find the exact numbers from the recipe for 71 anywhere, but I found it on a hachiroku) ... figured it out ...
In addition to this, I took a few of my measurements to finally clarify the picture ...

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The length of the stock rack in a compressed state with an understatement of the machine - 530mm

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Clearance 120mm. from ground to jacking hole

Let's remember these numbers, let's move on ...

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We remove the racks, disassemble ...

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We measure cartridges ...

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When choosing cartridges, I used the catalog www.trd-parts.ru/list_shock-cartridge.html
It has all the necessary parameters to imagine how much you need to shorten the rack for a specific cartridge and whether to shorten it at all, maybe you just need to put a spacer
New TRD is shorter than stock by 20mm. In my case, it was decided to shorten the stand for a short cartridge by the same 20mm.

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We cut off the cups, measure the length of the rack - 420mm in stock

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We measure the segment in place of the old cup 20mm. and better 19mm. to tighten the nut a few turns more

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Cut out a piece

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Having inserted the old cartridges as centering, we grab both parts of the rack to the points and try to insert new cartridges

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If everything is smooth and twists without distortions, we scald it completely and clean it

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As a result, we have a shortened workpiece 400 mm long
. Everything is clear with the racks, while we put them aside and measure the remaining pieces of iron

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Spring length 200mm. Hardness 12kg. It is clear here that with such stiffness the suspension (spring) travel will be no more than 20-25-30mm., We will also take this moment into account

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The length of this piece is 110mm, the diameter is 50.8mm. (Toyota)
Excluding flanges and nuts, the working length for adjustment is about 70mm.

Temporarily assembling the structure...

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Now I will draw the numbers to which I came by feeling and twisting the little stands, so to speak, live

The length of the rack with a cut piece is 400mm + the length of the rod is 120mm + the height (thickness) of the upper support is approximately 30mm = 550mm., Which is already 20mm higher than our stock underestimated indicator,
plus we take into account the fact that the spring will sag under the weight of the machine by 15-20mm, it turns out those the same 530mm as in the lower stock.
And this is in the maximum raised position, i.e. it will be possible to lower it by about 70mm and get 460mm on the rack and 5cm on the clearance
. Such numbers suit me quite well, so we measure 230mm from the bottom of the rack. and cook...

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Of the several options for how to fix a threaded glass, I chose the most reliable one. Cook both top and bottom. We cook with a semi-automatic device with gas, not forgetting to protect the thread

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We clean the welds well so that the nuts are properly tightened. Again, do not forget to wrap the thread with something

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Now I need to paint the whole thing.

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Chose color 8))

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great respect to the owner of the paint, without him nowhere 8))

There are no more than 20 photos, so I will post the result of this venture in the second part)

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Yurran 09.02.22

Today I just looked at the yakhe sets of stakes - all of them were killed, tortured! You did very cool!

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IGSW 09.02.22

something Yaha has not been happy with abundance lately. I can’t find spacers for the racks, although there used to be heaps, both with and without collapse

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kluz 09.02.22

I understand, although I got it cheaper, but in your version the quality is guaranteed, as they say, if you want to do it well, do it yourself :)

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IGSW 09.02.22

everything is simple, used ones there are more expensive than assembled new ones here

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kluz 09.02.22

IGSW

I got 26. for iron, about $ 850 - $ 900
new cola for such loot even in Japan will be difficult to find

Why didn't you consider used options?

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IGSW 09.02.22

about “more interesting options for this money”, I apparently got excited
, of course there are options, but I can’t meet this money somehow (

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Al-exe 09.02.22

yes, it will be easier for me to drag it through a familiar official representative of the kayaba ... the price tag is almost the same ... and which options are more interesting?

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IGSW 09.02.22

nope, they won’t collapse) On the front end, the collapse does not fall when lowered, yes, the convergence will need to be corrected.
Do you want to drag anything from the Yahi? Newsspecial + Espelier is of course a good option, but I think there are more interesting options for this money

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Al-exe 09.02.22

well, there $ 1500-2000 is definitely more budgetary ... by the
way, I was thinking not about cola, but according to the budget Kayaba nu cf hurry with espeliers if it’s also more budgetary, and I don’t need it wildly hard and didn’t want to underestimate much ... BUT I understand I have front wheels fall over? Do you need cups with camber adjustments?

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IGSW 09.02.22

I got 26. for iron, about $ 850 - $ 900
new cola for such loot even in Japan will be difficult to find

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Al-exe 09.02.22

And by the way, what kind of budget is this option? significantly less new stakes relatives?

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IGSW 09.02.22

don’t be afraid) the most spectacle is the budget, everything else is solved
if on the topic, then the main point is to understand where to weld a piece of threaded pipe, the rest is garbage

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Al-exe 09.02.22

I feel scared to go this way ... even I like points :)

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IGSW 09.02.22

come on, there are a lot of thoughts on the suspension

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MrKot 09.02.22

I read and even I'm in shock, I probably wouldn't have even thought of it) Your hands are golden)
As soon as I get to the suspension, I'll come running to you for advice =)

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somebody 09.02.22

did well.

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Jaywok 09.02.22

The work is worthy of respect! well done :P

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Chegan 09.02.22

this is a great job :) I really thought about doing something like this, for the same reason as you, I shake my hand for the work)
ps I'm waiting for the second part)

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BULdoZeR 09.02.22

Yeah! YOUNG MAN!

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aka-mazai 09.02.22

I looked at them yesterday =) the front one leaked out and the back one a little … the other two are okay.

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evgen-runx 09.02.22

offset =))) now it's not scary to take the dead Stoics.

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aka-mazai 09.02.22

Kulibin =) how good it is when hands grow from the right place;)

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DEoNisiY74 09.02.22

Stsuko is strong! 3.14 so stuck :)

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TROJAN72 09.02.22

Cool!

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2mlnusd 09.02.22

hand out

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IGSW 09.02.22

Everything was done with only one goal, to get hold of a good solid suspension kit, to be honest, everything else does not bother me much.
cost 26-27t.r.

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Coach850 09.02.22

Hammer!-) Of course, you cannot be called a pioneer, but the performance and desire to grow is worthy of all praise. What did the whole business cost?

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johndepo 09.02.22

respect and respect, amazing recipe

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BanT 09.02.22

It turned out great, I also suffer from this idea, and now there is a good example. current, I think the details of the turner to order. the only question is to find springs
well done!

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IGSW 09.02.22

collapsible all, but not all for cartridges

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Kazanovd 09.02.22

Good job, once again I am convinced that if you have a desire, you can do anything ... the main thing is the presence of a drill, a grinder and a semiautomatic device ...

stupid question about the racks, are they all collapsible for cartridges?

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IGSW 09.02.22

Everything was bought in Japan on Yaha, threaded glasses could also be ordered from a turner, but it would not have turned out much cheaper

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UFO-e30 09.02.22

the question is. where to find the threaded cylinders themselves on the 14th photo
is it from the catalog from the manufacturers? or the turner tried?

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Kurnaev 09.02.22

Cool.

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IGSW 09.02.22

thanks dumpachi)

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motofruit 09.02.22

kudos for a job well done!

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your type 09.02.22

wow, i love this kind of articles

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zakuto4ka 09.02.22

well done, hands grow from the right place, perfectly solved the issue ...

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wagonist 09.02.22

Useful information, well done!

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Development 09.02.22

Wow! Well done! Did an excellent job! We are waiting for the 2nd part, it is interesting to see what happened in the end :) Respect!

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Lex art 09.02.22

Oops. I saw) in principle the norms. on my model 32 stand.

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IGSW 09.02.22

26-27 thousand, it says a little higher

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Lex art 09.02.22

Hello. How much did this cost you?

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IGSW 09.02.22

it's no secret, with Yahoo, sometimes things like this slip through

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Kirill-Olegovich 09.02.22

Damn respect to you for the report, I'm waiting for part 2, I want to stir it up myself, Can I ask where I took or ordered the "Screw set for height adjustment"? If it `s not a secret*****

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exclusive car 09.02.22

cool, take note =)

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somebody 09.02.22

It turned out great! Respect for sure!

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somebody 09.02.22

Seriously approached the matter, I really liked the solution!

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somebody 09.02.22

respect full custom!

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Jenia4444 09.02.22

looks great ... respect buddy

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Dima-ej6 09.02.22

Great article! I think it will help many. Thank you, I'll give you stars for your skills)

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IGSW 09.02.22

Thanks to all! glad you liked it.

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REMARK STUDIO 09.02.22

I didn’t understand anything, but I was very impressed)

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sulyanoff 09.02.22

An excellent manual, but the preparation for it must be appropriate.

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Alibabai4 09.02.22

Very interesting and instructive! Respect for the work done, golden hands! ;)

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IGSW 09.02.22

if you look at the price tags for new cola, it turns out not even expensive at all)

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Chaser81turbo 09.02.22

Everything is cool, beautiful =) but it turned out a little expensive ... = (

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Chaser81turbo 09.02.22

Well, yes, probably a set of new stakes on average 60 rubles.

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Darts 09.02.22

We are waiting for the second part. Afftar burn! )

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Netronix 09.02.22

Good pendant, good mood (''') ^_^

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somebody 09.02.22

dude did a good job...

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Dimarik878 09.02.22

Wow! well young man, respect you! some screws cannot be installed by themselves, but you also made them yourself! =)

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IGSW 09.02.22

on the back, too, if necessary

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Lenin1 09.02.22

Can these be put on the rear suspension? and is it necessary?

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somebody 09.02.22

Class! I respect people with straight hands :)

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IGSW 09.02.22

it all depends on the car

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Fly Pasha 09.02.22

Just a class, but is it possible to do this on any car and with any racks? I've been thinking about this for a long time

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lexamx6 09.02.22

excellent report

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somebody 09.02.22

Well done! Such a gangsta car :)) Ehh ...

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Spas 09.02.22

very cool =)

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IGSW 09.02.22

Tough, but I thought it would be tougher

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Serega 09.02.22

Serious approach. Has it become hard?

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Ubermensch8 09.02.22

excellent manual!

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Ostkin 09.02.22

Super! I am impressed! Bypassed the expensive process of purchasing store bought! The idea and execution are amazing!

+5

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yuriy1978 09.02.22

Yes, the guy you are cool both in terms of technical knowledge and with your hands. What you did is very skillfully and beautifully. Well done to you.

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Auto Development 09.02.22

It's my pleasure )

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Wkusniyhlebushek 09.02.22

Thanks to!

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Auto Development 09.02.22

pull out, do you mean the rebound stroke for slaughter?)) Well, it turns out not correctly selected performance characteristics of the shock absorber under the spring, if I understand you correctly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock
Absorber www.parts-master.ru/articles/50.html

more complex questions are better to ask here www.drive2.ru/o/KMS-Tuning
I'm only familiar with the theory and a little practice

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Wkusniyhlebushek 09.02.22

Yes, the question is for you. Thanks a lot! The most important thing for me was to hear that the ammort will dampen the vibrations of the spring. It always seemed to me that the stiffer the spring, the stronger it is "to try to stretch the ammort rod in its cylinder (cartridge)". And as far as I understand, the quality of the suspension depends on this.

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Auto Development 09.02.22

greetings)
if the question is asked directly to me, then my subjective opinion is this, and in general it sounds like an answer in your question, that the stiffness will naturally increase, but because of the spring, and against this background, on these kayabs or on analogues without adjustment ... you you won’t feel the difference, in other words, if you put oil (hypothetically) ammo with these springs, then, relatively, the difference will not be visible ... because 10 kg is mmm harsh and the ammo will simply dampen vibrations, by the way, perhaps not clearly. but will.
To be honest, 6 years have passed since the writing of that post, as I understand it)) and today my verdite is this - for sports only coils are needed, good ones with adjustments and stiffness and spring preload ... and you just need a person who can correctly set it up. For everything else, there are lowered springs and any gas ammo, with the condition of working up to -40mm ... if it’s very simple)
I hope it helped, but it’s better to write more interesting questions to Kovalchuk, although he sells expensive suspensions, I think it’s better than him about basic ones no one will tell you a concept)) the rest are either for money or very busy)

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Wkusniyhlebushek 09.02.22

Hello! I have long been interested in how the behavior of the shock absorber system as a whole changes with an increase in spring stiffness. Suppose we put a stiffer spring on the stock rack (kyb exel-g). Let's say 10kg per mm vs. (4-5kg, around factory stock) will the stock strut handle a stiffer spring? Provided it is fully functional. Thank you very much if you answer!

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Auto Development 09.02.22

it seems to me that it is very easy to calculate - first pull out the stem, then completely compress it, and then adjust it as you need, measure how it sits and how much is left ...

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IGSW 09.02.22

what do you think, what compression stroke turned out on my suspension) if you count in millimeters?

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Auto Development 09.02.22

Unfortunately for you, because you described it and apparently expected, then this kit will not give you a pure height adjustment, you will have it regulated solely by sacrificing the "compression stroke".
I don’t know where the car will be used for most of its movement, but the compression stroke for Russia is a very important thing ...

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Auto Development 09.02.22

Platinum hands =)
The words are not a share, but the essence ... there is no other way in this matter ...

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OMu4 09.02.22

There is some truth in your words)) And how is it implemented on the norms of screws? Well done author, golden hands! Test!

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Auto Development 09.02.22

well done =)

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Fuss 09.02.22

other adjustment. the lower part is spinning - the hub fist - then the suspension travel and stiffness is unchanged - only the height changes

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moridin 09.02.22

Um…maybe a question =) it seems to me that the
author can help me a little =))) Standing on a barrel for 94 years.

A standard Kayaba does not want to work with such springs for a long time, and on large depressions on the road there is a loud blow to the body (?)
The question is. What kind of shock absorbers to get so that there is no such knock and they do not get killed and work well with these springs?

:((

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IGSW 09.02.22

bearings rather than shock absorbers knock, this is typical for ALs
, try to change the supports, it should pass

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somebody 09.02.22

I answered myself!) Super, it turned out great!

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mixa181283 09.02.22

well done! in theory, you can do SO from any rack. and there will be cola :) . the main thing is not to be lazy. somehow my friend and I also wanted to take up this matter, but all hands did not reach. at the end, I bought trdishnye cola. although I had to try. I think the most expensive thing is the cartridge itself trdish?! Yes? and the rest is not so expensive stuff. By the way, I would try Kayaba AGX cartridges, they are also regulated but budget. they cost 5 thousand, and trdishnye 8 thousand if my memory serves me right.

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Artureek 09.02.22

Gorgeous! Not everyone understands, much less does it)

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somebody 09.02.22

hello, did you order these nishtyaki online?

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d-imaz 09.02.22

Handsome good job they think to do the same))) tell me where you got everything you need for manufacturing? And then I got tired of looking for sites))

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somebody 09.02.22

Where did you buy the cartridges?

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Panzer-85 09.02.22

excellent. eh machine would be a lathe

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SrDidex 09.02.22

Cool ! =)

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Chazov154 09.02.22

support, I would like to know)

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m1xforfun 09.02.22

and what part number for glasses with gaebochki?))