Automatic transmission - cannot be changed and repaired - logbook Toyota Caldina 1997
You need to put a comma
Before buying the car, I knew that he had a problem with the box.
I found a box from a broken car at the ZhTT club, agreed on a price, but unfortunately it seems to be damaged, because. in the "Parking" position, the drives are spinning.
You can even now buy a box assembly with a razdatka for 20t.r. from Vladivostok, although I don’t need a razdatka at all, they don’t sell boxes separately. I would like to take for 15t.r.
But there is also a second option. On the TourerVi forum there is a topic on automatic transmission repair in which it says "In short, to all those who like to change boxes or give a lot of money for repairs only when the axle box is third and jerking the rear, don't do it!
Your boxes are still working, but if you drive with such problems, you will kill clutches and then either replacement or repair.
It's all about the hydraulic brain gaskets, or rather, even just two main ones. Gaskets are essentially cheap, replacement does not require removing the box, only the hydraulic brain."
My symptoms are similar, but a little more:
- Box axle in 3rd gear - Box axle in
4th gear
- Jolt in reverse gear
- Maf leak from automatic transmission
Here is what the author of the topic wrote to me on the TourerVi website: "remove the pan and look at the condition of these gaskets, most likely a replacement is enough. But if the liquid is black and stinks, and there are a lot of fur coats on the magnets, most likely it has worn off the freaks - this is a replacement."
What do you advise me to change the box or repair?
For repair ... the price of a set of gaskets for automatic transmission
existential - from 5000 rubles.
Emex - from 4000 rubles.
You can take only three pads. Pallet, and 2 hydraulic brains. Price will come out ~ 1500 rubles.
If the frictions are worn out
Each friction disc costs ~ 500 rubles
But only an autopsy will show this
Issue price: 20,000 ₽ Mileage: 166,000 km
Baka
I called the specialists, who can repair it inexpensively, for 20-25 thousand
where are these EXPENSIVE specialists?
I had to take Kalinusport! )
but in general it is better to go to the automatic transmission specialists, to be in the garages of the 20th class of NG.
I’m more inclined to open it up ... take the main gaskets, if anything, then immediately change them to the box that came.
I think it's better to take another living one than torturing a dead one. Moreover, it is not clear until the end whether all problems will be solved only by these replacements. And for the price I see almost the same flies. No matter how much you have to pay twice.
Well, not everything is done at once!
Yes, and you yourself understand that money is not everything here. Sometimes it's enough to use your hands and imagination.
Well, we understand that if you spend all the money on a Mazdatri, then it will be like in most
Baka
And what's wrong with that? Or buy a Kia seed or Mazda three and drive like everyone else?
So… what do we have against Mazdotri? You can't ride them like everyone else.
And what's wrong with that? Or buy a Kia seed or Mazda three and drive like everyone else?
and then comes out at the end of a round sum ... for which you could buy a nice new car! it's always like this!:)
lipisin
congratulations this is type T and the conversation was going on and ATF-T4
is a completely different oil ...
although in the white canister the same was T4
only I haven’t seen them for a couple of years ...
type t according to some catalogs for CVTs ...
look what is written on the dipstick and pour exactly that
...
www.toyota-opt.ru/items/?ct=2
ATF-T for all-wheel drive boxes
What are we talking about, that I bought oil from a warehouse in Japan.
To get started, learn what consolidation centers are.
How the goods are delivered, payment by weight, not by quantity.
Unfortunately, I have already come across hucksters in Vladivostok, their goal is to fill their pockets. The step will not be done for free.
50% of car sales scams are there.
a word of 3 letters is written on the fence ...
and not ... only firewood ...
1 there are no oil refineries in
Japan ... sheer garbage (the company Enius is a former Mitsubishi brand ... Idumitsu, etc.)
2. components from the Toyota plant in Shanghai ...
3. oil for Toyota factories in Japan is produced in Sengapura ... 4. made in China ...
labor costs, ecology, etc.
hence the final cost of the product,
therefore all world manufacturers open production in developing countries
5. what is written on the packaging ... for what ... obtaining arrived ...
6. you will receive an answer to your request, then you will make noise ...
you were simply warned ...
but sorry you don’t need it
7. sorry to continue further polemics with you I don’t see
meaning ...
I'm not interested in a person (
who identified half a million people as sellers of stolen goods
(a person's condition can only be determined by a court
or the conclusion of a medical examination BUT NOT YOU)
talks about what he has not seen and does not know ...
does not give a single reasonable argument ...
only emotions ...
good luck in the future ... time will tell everything ...
The clip may be made in China, but it is 100% original.
The package says where it was made. If it is written on the candles - made in Japan, so it is, the original oil filter is made in Thailand.
There is no need for the supplier to deceive, he simply shows what positions are available and in what warehouses, in what countries, and I myself choose at what price and from where I should bring it.
You write that China is 10 times cheaper, and that delivery from China is free?
To listen to you - I drive on a cut, designed as another 99 of the same for one PTSku, I could not register the car. What else did you tell me?
1. Have you seen the customs declaration? this is purely your opinion and I doubt its correctness…
not one sane argument… one verbal diarrhea…
2. many… even sold at gas stations… gazpromneft… rosneft… kalyans, etc.
don’t judge by Muhosransk…
3. Chinese 8-10 rub orig up to 100 rub
can provide for comparison
1. I have 100% from Japan warehouse.
2. Who will counterfeit butter that is not sold in supermarkets. Do you know many who pour the original? They fake the oil that is in great demand.
3. If you listen to you, then I will have to pay several thousand rubles for the original clip.
Castrol produces oil for Toyota =). ...castle...toyota...
well, you said that you have 100% japan…
now you contradict yourself…
100% anti-counterfeiting protection… you believe in it yourself…
Denso, for example, fights only with low-quality fakes…
closes its eyes to good quality fakes…
lipisin
you judge people without knowing them…
sorry, that doesn’t do you credit…
I’ve been talking to people for over 10 years…
and believe me, I have not seen more cattle than we have ... (I can compare)
I’ve been coming there for a long time, like home… I
take it from the auction myself… I know all the expenses down to the last cent…
and at the expense of shipment from Japan ...
only components are made in China ... (forgive the law of the market)
at the expense of what we drive ... this is a secondary market ...
and now delivery from there is not advisable ... customs (market law)
at the expense of oil, this is your business ... you are
doing complacency please ...
it’s not hucksters who supply it to you,
but altruists on a voluntary basis ...
see delivery times…
delivery to port loading .
freight to russia...
customs and further delivery...
if you are shipped in Japan as you say...
then it will take at least 20-30 days...
I don't want to develop this topic any further
...
everyone will have their own opinion ...
you are not the first and you are not the last.
I repeat: time will put everything in its place.
the proverb says: MEANER pays twice
AND WHAT WOULD NOT BE UNFOUND www.japanlot.ru/categorie…84223555/items/x141976358
you will set the weight yourself ... total with delivery to Vlad $ 124
price in Japan $ 30
you bought for 40 in boats ...
+ 33% (customs ... delivery from Japan ... across Russia ... warehouse services ... taxes ... and a commodity allowance ... only $ 10) note rail delivery from 17r kg ... average 40
I think you should apologize to the over 500,000 people
you have undeservedly offended...
As for oil, I can tell you that in Japan they do not produce oil, there is neither oil nor oil refineries. What is sold under the "original" is on the shelves of our stores, just the packaging of the oil is different and 100% protection against counterfeiting.
And the dealer probably brews the oil himself in Moscow.
Because fake oil from abroad should have cost 10k rubles per canister. And it doesn’t matter for what, at least a liter, at least 5
cheaper ? take it from a dealer in the same Moscow and send it to you ...
although what to explain to you ... the
concept of a dealer discount is not familiar to you ...
like the laws of economics ...
inquire about the cost of air ... railway ... and delivery by sea ...
a certain amount of cargo.
I'm sorry, you're just a victim of the company's marketing policy.
Good luck…
Can you imagine how many spare parts they carry to Moscow on one flight?
How many buyers they have, all Chelny spare parts stores are stocked there. A company that has its own aircraft. Think for yourself which is cheaper, to transport s / h in 1 piece or to transfer the container.
air delivery ...
do you have any idea the cost of 1-kg ...
you are talking complete nonsense ...
manufacturer ... dealers with their product warehouses ...
intermediary company (eksist, etc.) ...
and the end consumer (YOU).
first, study the definition of a huckster ...
secondly, you need to be able to admit your mistakes
That's right, if you take one detail, it's not profitable for you, and it's not profitable for all hucksters. Hence the prices and cheats and cheats.
Do you even know that in Japan and the UAE there are free economic zones that are 100% exempt from taxes and duties?
Large suppliers of spare parts do not carry spare parts on cars and trains, there are planes for this.
You at least study the companies involved in the delivery of spare parts. For example Emex. This is a company originally engaged in EXPRESS DELIVERY. Delivery from Japan to Naberezhnye Chelny takes 7-12 days.
you judge people without knowing them…
sorry, that doesn’t do you credit…
I’ve been talking to people for over 10 years…
and believe me, I have not seen more cattle than we have ... (I can compare)
I’ve been coming there for a long time, like home… I
take it from the auction myself… I know all the expenses down to the last cent…
and at the expense of shipment from Japan ...
only components are made in China ... (forgive the law of the market)
at the expense of what we drive ... this is a secondary market ...
and now delivery from there is not advisable ... customs (market law)
at the expense of oil, this is your business ... you are
doing complacency please ...
it’s not hucksters who supply it to you,
but altruists on a voluntary basis ...
see delivery times…
delivery to port loading .
freight to russia...
customs and further delivery...
if you are shipped in Japan as you say...
then it will take at least 20-30 days...
I don't want to develop this topic any further
...
everyone will have their own opinion ...
you are not the first and you are not the last.
I repeat: time will put everything in its place.
the proverb says: MEANER pays twice
AND WHAT WOULD NOT BE UNFOUND www.japanlot.ru/categorie…84223555/items/x141976358
you will set the weight yourself ... total with delivery to Vlad $ 124
price in Japan $ 30
you bought for 40 in boats ...
+ 33% (customs ... delivery from Japan ... across Russia ... warehouse services ... taxes ... and a commodity allowance ... only $ 10) note rail delivery from 17r kg ... average 40
I think you should apologize to the over 500,000 people
you have undeservedly offended...
Timur, don't you know what is being done for the domestic market, everything has been in the open spaces of our country for a long time. The same cars that you and I drive.
The same parts that I buy… I see from the supplier that the shipment is from a warehouse in Japan.
And in Vladik, 50% of the population is just hucksters, and they want to make money on visitors like you.
If you want to continue to argue, I can see how much oil costs in the domestic market.
directly from factories in China
you can’t buy something that is made in japan… that’s
why the contract but japan ones go longer than your imaginary original…
sorry, more than 300 cars on the account and prepared them all…
don’t try to explain to me
that a candle bought in japan for 28 bucks
costs 14 in russia. and etc
there is nothing to argue about, time will put everything in its place ...
Therefore, I order from EMEX, they carry spare parts directly.
But in Vladik, as always, they hang noodles on the campaign
white for the domestic market of Japan ...
officially it was not delivered to Russia ...
expensive ... so draw your own conclusions ...
By the way, maybe I was wrong, but it's definitely not for CVTs.
And about the cans, White - 100% Japan, black can - made in Singapore, USA, UAE
congratulations this is type T and the conversation was going on and ATF-T4
is a completely different oil ...
although in the white canister the same was T4
only I haven’t seen them for a couple of years ...
type t according to some catalogs for CVTs ...
look what is written on the dipstick and pour exactly that
...
www.toyota-opt.ru/items/?ct=2
I took it in hardware, where I trust and where they won’t dilute it, but in a closed package, straight from Japan
www.toyotaclub.ru/img/model/08886-00405.jpg
not but …
I'll take it only where I trust … and only in hardware …
the official dealer for Yapovskim oils and Castrol …
Shl. the price in possession of 1400 for the 4th liter ...
You can take more than one canister. A liter canister costs 290 rubles.
So get in touch and I'll help you buy.
well, it’s not always possible to take 4 liters each ...
when replacing at the stand, it takes an average of 10-16 liters ...
Baka
Everything, there is a box without a run in Russia for 13500r.
Don't be offended, but your prices are too high, it seems that we have % 30-40
ATP-4 cheat, but what is the price
350 r liter at least 100 grams take ...
Baka
Everything, there is a box without a run in Russia for 13500r.
Don't be offended, but your prices are too high, it seems that we have % 30-40
ATP-4 cheat, but what is the price
there is a spill in 20 liter canisters
and packaging of 4 liters ...
and a stand for changing the oil in the automatic transmission ...
also a filter in the automatic transmission ...
but you don't need it ( ( ( (
scoop out the torque converter with a spoon ) ) )
I have prices with delivery and a guarantee,
so I take only where I can trust ...
not any contract box ... a
panacea for all diseases ...
if the average price is 18-20r, then what normal seller
will give for 10? learned from bitter experience...
Everything, there is a box without a run in Russia for 13500r.
Don't be offended, but your prices are too high, it seems that we have % 30-40
ATP-4 cheat, but what is the price
Baka
I agree, especially since this box requires Desktron-4, which is not available for free sale. The canister lies on topping up ZIG, certainly not the 4th class.
ATF-T4 is available in any amount in Elabuga…
only you keep ignoring…
ZIG @#&*()&*^%$ blah better pour sunflower oil…
and attempts to reanimate ...
you are not the first, you are not the last ...
to each his own rake ...
but we already talked about automatic transmission ...
live one costs money ...
imaginary savings of 5-7 rubles ... you
will ruin more on oil ... IMHO
You don’t need to save on anything, the only thing is that you can take a non-original salon, this will not make the car worse.
Well, 2 years ago I took 1000 rubles for 4 liters in existential stock ... now prices reach 1500 rubles ... I think you don’t need to save on a box.
Baka
I agree, especially since this box requires Desktron-4, which is not available for free sale. The canister lies on topping up ZIG, certainly not the 4th class.
not dextron but ATP T4 ... on sale as much as you like ...
I bought already, on Emekse and on existential. The last thing to do in the Toyota Center
I agree, especially since this box requires Desktron-4, which is not available for free sale. The canister lies on topping up ZIG, certainly not the 4th class.
When the box slips, it’s not comme il faut, but in general, Yot’s boxes are quite maintainable, but it seems to me that your ditsy has already burned to your liking due to underpressure on the packages due to leakage in the valve body, removing the brains, flushing them, replacing the gasket and oil can and will help, question for how long, but in general in my practice it often happened that an oil change generally killed the box tightly, it’s better to immediately look for a live unit, it seems to me that yours is either for capital or for analysis.
The oil, to be completely accurate, is called TOYOTA Type IV, it is red, but for some reason more liquid than ordinary dex, I repeat, look for a good contract box, and there is less crap and money if you don’t throw any extra on all kinds of gaskets)
By the way, the contract box is unlikely to be dry, so I would look for oil, and it doesn’t cost super criminal money, they pack it in 1 or 4 liters, there is info about it in the catalog of oils in existentialism.
Yes, I agree. But 2 conditions must be met.
Place. Where to make a car
Time. How long will she be immobile?
Box exactly 20t.r + delivery
In general, for starters, it would be desirable to open it and understand how bad everything is, how good it is. Personally, I would probably go down the thorny path and start to revive it if there were no terrible obstacles, and I think you can always drag the box from Vlad, but it will come out more expensive it seems to me ... and here if you make a box, then you yourself will know for sure that everything is right there.
Remove the sump and if the magnets are overgrown with metal and there is a paste black as coal in the oil receiver filter, then the gaskets will no longer help - a comprehensive repair is needed. highways with a pressure of under 8 kg. It happens that even the pistons are kotskayutsya - and this is not a penny. So there is a possibility that in addition to gaskets and freaks, there may already be not enough pressure in the lines due to torn rings on the pistons (and I have to gas up) I have these the symptoms were. then the back disappeared, and then the 4th.
In the automatic transmission, the design of the pyramid is, as it were, the pressure is enough for 1-2 gears, but it’s already not enough for the 4th. Here even new friction clutches wear out. lines.
The 4th speed clutch is located in the drum where the transmission is, and this is the reason for the death of these particular gears.
On the Nismavian bortovik (almost at the beginning and middle), I have a lot of photos of a phased repair where you can see the lope of iron meat being killed there.
Probably better to carry a contract with low mileage and slowly repair your own.
Baka
Aha, if in Russian
If it was possible to disassemble the boxes there, you won’t find anything special, the essence is the same.
Open the box! And there you will see! Literature download from the net and go!
Don't forget about the report.
Change all the gaskets, if you open the box anyway, so that you don’t mess around again)))
RedS-Star
Again you're talking high… I don't like stock either. I just expressed my opinion ... I also like a lot of Japanese cars before 2002 ...
When buying a new car, anyone will have to throw out fifty dollars for all kinds of signaling, protection, floor mats, parking sensors, tires, wheels, hull (it’s a pity for a new car). when buying a good BU, as usual, everything is already there and by investing the same half a dollar, you can bring the car to an ideal state, both technically and externally. I bought a fucking boomer for a little over 500 thousand. What would you buy NEW? kia rio?
So that Igor does not speak high, let's chip in for a set of coilovers for Cardina! Then you will speak high!
Again you're talking high… I don't like stock either. I just expressed my opinion ... I also like a lot of Japanese cars before 2002 ...
and shake from farza "remove the guarantee"
In general, stock — it's not for us. Maybe for you
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To each his own, someone wants to buy a used car, and not know everything about its history and fiddles with it, someone wants to buy a new car and drive quietly, it all depends on the person and on his desires and capabilities ...
Also how they drive. My car was delivered last year. Red ... yes, it’s fresh there, I constantly top it up :)
ITS 100 pounds did not, and maybe even the oil was not changed.
I think it is necessary to open ... and there it will show.
As I understand it, you ordered a contract a long time ago?
It's never too late to change, try to revive.
Is the mileage big?
Tyzh said that she did not go to Russia.
This means that it has not been repaired by us, maybe everything is not scary - open it in one word.
Can you see a leak? Is there a jet? Are there signs of disassembly?
I repeat once again, it is necessary to disassemble, tada or gaskets or contract.