Black Mesa: Source v.3 (Half-Life 2)

xDDGx, is there a separate forum, or do you think it is too inactive?

I find it too unnecessary *trollface*

I have a question. Is it possible to play BMS if neither Steam nor SDK-2007 is installed on the computer (and there is no SDK at all)?

Of course, you can put on a pirate.

no SDK-2007 (and no SDK at all)?
BMS does not need a Source SDK, but a Source SDK Base, this is a huge difference.

And this is precisely the problem, in HL2 (which is already on steampipe) you can play even without steam, but SSDK Base is not steampipe, it is still tied to Steam. SSDKB for BMS is necessary, roughly speaking, BMS (like any mod with its own dlls) is not a mod for HL2 or Ep2, it is a mod for SSDKB.

Of course, you can put on a pirate.
It seems to me that you can even find a repack on the rutracker, where there is everything you need and nothing more. For KoF, I saw these for sure.

BMS (like any mod with its own dlls) is not a mod for HL2 or Ep2, it's a mod for SSDKB

No, why, there are mods for Ep2 with their own DLLs. And Cinematic is basically a mod for everything at once - it requires both HL2, and Ep1, and Ep2 licenses. In general, it’s not quite right to say “mod for this game or sdkbake”, the mod goes to the version / branch of the engine (2006, 2007, AC, etc.), and Ep2 or SSDKB is a content requirement (SSDKB fulfills these at a minimum ). Yes, and with DLLs, this is not entirely the case, a mod with its own DLLs on anything will load its own dlls first of all, if the mod folder is the first in the search paths. If the first is, say, Portal, its dlls will be loaded, subject to availability.

I did not just add the words "roughly speaking." Yes, there are engines, there is content, but the engine is downloaded only with a certain game, and not by itself. And now in Steam the situation is such that the old engine with which the mods work is downloaded only with the Base. However, even before Steampipe, this was the case, with the exception of Lost Coast.

for Ep2 with their DLL
What are these for example? And I'm not talking about that engine - then yes, there were mods for the HL2 engine, and for the Ep1 engine, and for the Ep2 engine, but about the current system with SteamPipe. //however, even Steampipe has nothing to do with it, this situation has been going on since the 10th year

And Cinematic is actually a mod for everything at once
I don't know about the cinematics, there is something like that, as far as I remember, I created a separate folder for it in HL2UE6, adjacent to the Engines ... Is there, your own engine? o_O

a mod with its own DLLs on anything will load its own dlls first of all.
Why, I don’t understand? Or just for information?


In general, the situation is very ironic, we call the Ep2 / Ep1 / HL2 engine the engine that has not been used by the Ep2 / Ep1 / HL2 themselves for a long time, lolo! XD


Actually, I'm sure I didn't mess anything up?

> Until 2010, there were three separate branches of the engine: HL2, Ep1, Ep2.

> In the 10th year there was an update, after which all games were transferred to the new engine (two separate branches, single and cartoon). As far as I remember, this engine was incompatible with all three previous ones, it was impossible to make mods with dlls for it, because the sources for it were not available. Base SSDK continued to use the old Ep1 engines (it is compatible with HL2, old mods like XenForces work with AppId 215 or 380 on a pirate) and Ep2, but mods without dlls could be connected to Ep2 (well, Ep1 and HL2 too, but did it make sense ). Well, there was also a LC running on the same engine as the old base.

> Now all games (including LC) have been moved to a newer engine (single/multi is still preserved), with a vpk system and "SteamPipe", and now mods can only work with the Base (although, on my look, nothing prevents you from putting the "mod" without the dll into the commonHalf-Life 2 folder and running it manually).

What's the point, I don't understand? Or just for information?

Well, in general, this means that the use of a dll mod depends not so much on the connection of the gcfok (or whatever is connected there now) SSDKB, Ep2 or whatever, but on the order in which the paths are checked. In general, the situation with “mods using their own dlls” depends a little in this direction, it’s just that mods without DLLs - mappacks - usually require something other than SSDKB, since such mods are usually smaller and do not fully imply their content.

What are these, for example?

Well... I can't name it. But appid is just a content mount.

In the 10th year there was an update, after which all games were transferred to the new engine (two separate branches, single and cartoon). As far as I remember, this engine was incompatible with all three previous ones, it was impossible to make mods with dlls for it, because the sources for it were not available. Base SSDK continued to use the old Ep1 engines (it is compatible with HL2, old mods like XenForces work with AppId 215 or 380 on a pirate) and Ep2, but mods without dlls could be connected to Ep2 (well, Ep1 and HL2 too, but did it make sense ). Well, there was also a LC running on the same engine as the old base.

Sorry for the overclocking.
I don't think so. Three branches were made in 2010: 2006 (DM) with source code, 2007 (xl2, ep1, ep2), for which there were and are sources, and 2009 (Portal 2, like L4D), for which there are no sources.

For example, here I have (old Ultimate SSDK):



Here 2006 and 2007 are SSDKB mods, in the mod wizard you can create total conversions only for them. 2006 is the Ep1 engine (on HL2UE6 I have Insurgency in Engine2), 2007 is the Ep2 engine (ZP:S is just in Engine3 for me).
2009SP - for some reason, they designated the engine to which they transferred all the singles in the 10th (maybe the Valves called it that because they did it back in the 9th, and the transfer of games took the rest of the time?). You can't do conversions for it.
2009MP - the engine to which all cartoons were transferred.

I think the issue is over.

PS Also, got into the wiki right now - she claims that HL2 and others have been on the LCHD2 engine since the 10th year. The only difference is that they were made GTsF. Therefore, LCHD 1 and 2 have Alt-Source written on the screen [although the wiki generally says about LCHD about Source Engine 14: Base Source 3% (Apparently, it means that the engine has a different build, for the Ep1 engine SE7 Base is also indicated there 2].
About DODS, it is generally written there that he had a separate 17th Source or Source 2010. o_O How did he distinguish himself so much? Figel), 23 (or this one), well, now everyone has 24, but for some reason the branches are still separate, perhaps based on future multiplayer updates?
Well, SE 2011 is already P2, D2, CS:GO .

In general, Valves with their engine created such fragmentation that you can go crazy ...

And again: what are these words for? Did I say something about the app?

I mean, in principle, there is no connection of the engine, there is a connection of content, “mounting” it. Or (see below)

Here I have for example (old Ultimate SSDK):

So it's pirated and old. I'm talking about the fact that version 2006 = DM, 2007 = HL2-series (singles), 2009 = the rest. In any case, when unpacking the source code, everything is so.

But how does Steam determine which engine dlls - not client / server - to connect to the game / mod? Yes, and exe files are used differently, they are stored in different folders in the profile (so it’s more correct to say which engine to connect the mod to)

The engine is part of the content ... probably. And the client-server is determined by SearchPath. Or is the engine connected via ToolsAppid? most likely it is.

then why D.I. does not start with AppID 420 in Steam, but only with 218? Down to the pipe D.I. it was possible to start with 420?

I suddenly got 420 in my gameinfo on a pirate (lol, here is an example of a mod for Ep2). You see, because of the pipe. Yes, and remember, TheZealot post on my page on ModDB, they say, mods now work only with some kind of sdkbase app...

Read everything I wrote above. Read carefully.
And one more thing:

Does not contradict my words. 2007 = Ep2

This is just an example, a rarity left from the days when the DM was on the old engine, this does not mean that the HL2DM itself was not transferred to a newer engine

. But the mods will be based on the unpacked 2006 engine!

The official velv multiplayers were on their own branch on the 9th, constantly updated

. I've been talking about mods all this time. Well, Ep2 may be in 2009, but in any fashion, including DI, there will be no features in 2009, they will be in the 2007 version.

SSDKB for BMS is needed Oooo
... How sad everything is. And I already have 2.5 GB of traffic (out of three) and it took 22 hours to download. ))

It seems to me that you can even find a repack on a rutracker, where there is everything you need and nothing more.
Yes, I myself found a bunch of repacks on the net, but all these trackers and torrents for my 3G modem do not exist. At least, I was told that if you want to download something from there, you must first upload something from your computer there. My modem is so niasilite - it even sends text files with difficulty.
So I downloaded BMS at my own risk from the playground, because. the good old Letitbit has suddenly become stubborn for some time (like "The requested file was not found"). There were only broken links to RapidShare... And so on.

I've been talking about fashion all this time. Well, Ep2 may be in 2009, but in any fashion, including DI, there will be no features in 2009, they will be in the 2007 version.
Damn, in short, we confused each other, did not understand anything ... I hope those who read our posts will not get confused themselves. Better don’t read, I’ll delete mine, leave only 2, in which, it seems to me, the information is close to the truth ..

Yes, I myself found a bunch of repacks on the net, but all these trackers and torrents for my 3G modem are not exist.
Why? In my opinion, on the contrary, a torrent is more convenient, because you can download at least a week and not worry that the connection will break, or that you need to turn off the computer during download, etc.

that if you want to download something from there, you must first upload something from your computer
Is it "where" and "where"? On a rutracker? Bullshit, I've been there for ~three years and haven't created a single giveaway. I have not seen bans for ratings, there are a lot of users with a rating below 1. And in general, remember the proverb: "Trust, but verify." After all, what's so scary about just trying? Of course, if you have traffic restrictions, then it sucks, but try at least once, just to know. And then decide whether this option suits you or not. uTorrent, by the way, allows you to limit, and can even block distribution, so if the total traffic is considered at the rate, then you can limit its costs in this way.

good old Letitbit
IMHO, downloading now from file hosting is the last century. Especially since these damned flybits and deposits severely limit the speed,

After all, what's so scary about just trying?
Yes, something was too lazy to figure it out. ))

By the way, today I just tried this same uTorrent. I am now pulling BMS through it a little, slowly but surely.

Thank you for the clarification.

http://www.blackmesasource.com/
http://www.bmrf.us/?
May 5th will be released on steam. With multiplayer, but without xen.

By the way, did they really release this update for PAID? Something that contrasts strongly with their previous "no donations" stance. However, on Wikipedia they write that they will later release it for free, and they even promise the source codes of the maps. It would be cool! True, promises are promises...

Oh, I can't believe it. And now it costs 419 rubles. Which is much cheaper, by the way, than abroad. It is surprising that Russians still have such permanent discounts.
They also said that everything they do new will never be available on the mod version, because supposedly they have some clever graphical changes there.
Well spent three years making multiplayer instead of a real game.

Well, why, multiplayer is also necessary, this, after all, is an important part of the first HL :) And in principle, if they want, then even make it paid (whoever needs it, that spirituality, if, of course, this makes sense) - in the end , their work, their business, what to do with it, but somehow it's just strange ...