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aKinave 14.09.19 09:09 pm

Criticism of the game (Fallout 3)

Must be weird to have bordu about the game nine years ago, but still.
Despite the fact that this game came out quite a long time, there is something to discuss. Many people love unreasonable to throw mud at this masterpiece of its time, and giving absolutely trumped the arguments. IMHO, but to denounce a game just because of the fact that she was not isometric vyser from the 90s - somehow biased and we must defend her honor.

A very big criticism received the script of the game, which in the opinion of Ko-Ko-Ko-poll impossibly lame and inferior to the original script fallacy. But what exactly this individual do not like about scenario three-pointers? Let's order.


The most huge in the opinion of the haters treshki fail is the fact that since the war was 200 years, they say see, can't some things in the wastes to survive and to stand for such a seemingly long time.



Specifically, there are complaints on the food-preserved 200-year-old in the game, like it should have become rotten, and magically disappear. But somehow nobody takes into account the fact that all the food in the game dirty and radioactive. It's been said that the writers have included that the food cannot be maintained in perfect condition. So absolutely incomprehensible and groundless all fag food. Go ahead.



And hence another alleged defect, namely, that after 200 years, almost all vehicles in the game still maintained the fuel in the engine and it can blow up. Indeed, conventional engines conventional vehicle may not have these properties take so much time. But who said that in the lore boards transport uses regular gasoline? The fuel that keeps all the traffic in the universe of fallout, and nuclear. The material from the wiki for the fandom Fallout: In the late 50-ies of the United States had indeed conducted works on creation of the car, powered by a compact nuclear reactor. The result of this work was the only concept car Ford Nucleon developed by Ford.
Don't even need to have any advanced knowledge in physics to understand that the fuel employed in nuclear reactor can survive a lot more than 200 years. Move on.



Still a lot battherta spilled to the main quest. They say that water treatment is a completely useless idea and the main problem of the Capital wasteland is not a shortage of water, and dense population of super mutants. Okay, let's say. Super mutants in the game do abound. But the fact that they are fighting the Brotherhood of Steel in the heart of Washington. And if you logically think about it, in the wastes the chance to die from thirst much more than the chance of dying super mutant, some even die due to the fact that kill your body dirty water (which, by the way, radioactive), except where they drink absolutely nothing. So that argument about the alleged inappropriate treatment of water is also sucked from the finger and completely unfounded. Further.



Now let's discuss one more thing in the lore of the three, which according to haters is illogical and stupid. It is a city around a unexploded nuclear bomb: Megaton You see, people don't like that the city began to build around a nuclear bomb that could explode at any moment any little push. Okay, at first glance, this sounds reasonable and it seems that the first settlers were really idiots, just go on this step. But let's not jump to conclusions, and to play an RPG with the storyline like an RPG with the storyline, and not as a bellboy shuterok night, okay? Absolutely everyone who cackle about fail with a megaton - inattentive kids who before to understand immediately begin to crow. So, dismantle the shelves:
initially, the metal walls and debris in Megaton was not. It was a big hollow with a falling nuclear bomb inside. She was protecting humans from mutants and sand storms, so they often dug in there, erecting around then that a deep crater walls from the wreckage of the fallen aircraft. Thus appeared the city of Megaton. And I'm not just out of the air take, that explains Manija - the oldest inhabitant of megaton. So before you start to boil your mania is anger, try to understand the situation and normally grasp the game, OK? With a megaton understood.



A lot of stink has also done the city in the game called little Lamplight where I live some children. Every resident of this city, who is 16 years old, the rules have to leave the city, resulting in it only exist children and adolescents. So, specifically here of discontent go in the direction of fact that for 200 years this city could not exist and children would have to disappear, and the city to be empty. In Laura treshki little Lamplight before the war was a cave which had been used as tourist attractions.
October 23, 2077 82 students from several classes with teachers and parents went home from school early don on a tour to the caves of little Lamplight. At the end of the tour, began the Great war: after the resounding roar of the walls of the cave trembled and the lights went out, scared kids become calm adults. Mr. Pollack, one of the adults came to the surface to look around. Returning to the group of children and adults, he reported that he saw D.C., covered with a mushroom cloud, making it clear that a nuclear war. So the practical lesson in Geology quickly turned into lessons of survival and the inhabitants of the caves inside.
During the wait the consequences of a nuclear attack adults the desire of the guests and staff of the cave to go outside overcame the desire to stay inside — some decided to leave the children, and some of them died in accidents. By the beginning of December 2077 with children from adults only the teacher Kerry Delany, but soon she decided to come to the surface and never returned.
Because children are left without adult supervision, the role of caring leader made the eldest of the children — Jason grant of the 4th class. Jason began to lead the children, charging them with various things and taught to look after and care for each other. Thus, a few weeks later, formed a children's commune, where everyone worked for the good of others.
All the rest of the city really lived children who didn't let any adult. A simple question were taken from children in the city if it left each 16-year-old resident is not given at least a simple answer: any abandoned children could come from all of the wasteland. Moreover, they can pick up patrols, which in a certain period come to the surface. By the way, one of these units was caught by the slavers from Paradise falls, they can also save and return to the city. In General, the city of children defects no no, as it is trying to impose everything three-pointers.

I've highlighted the most basic phenomena in the lore that raised questions from critics, maybe I missed something, so in this case you can tell me about it and discuss it right here.

In the scenario of Fallout 3 bugs at all, except that tiny and insignificant, that there is any open-world RPG. This game can be called a masterpiece for a number of reasons: starting with a very well crafted open-world element adventure and ending with a perfect balance between shooter and RPG. This game has made a huge contribution to the gaming industry and it will never forget, and all the unjustified negativity that some of the individual splash out on it - it is banal fag and disappointment with the fact that the third part was developed by the gazebo with a different approach than Black Isle. IMHO, biased but such attempts have no right to exist, if someone is going to criticize the game, then he should do it objectively, isn't it? The game has only one drawback - it's hard autoleveling with each new level, because it sometimes leads to imbalance (eg, impenetrable mobs in the face of giant radscorpions and radscorpions-albinos, mutants-bosses, which are much stronger than those of the jaws of death). But personally, I pimped your character is so balanced that autoleveling and the imbalance is felt only on the mobs, the rest of the enemies I defeated easily. Also, on the nexus is rebalancing mod that makes these mobs weaker, which completely removes the imbalance. Such cases.

In General, I expressed what I wanted to Express a long time ago and hope that someone wants to debate with me on this interesting topic.
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litrsmetan 14.09.19

overall I liked the game too but shooter mechanics as I fixated on v.a.t.s, and the plot personally, I'm not interested

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litrsmetan 14.09.19

but if you want to discus these topics, I am ready

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litrsmetan 14.09.19

and by the way these two issues are fixed in New Vegas

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aKinave 14.09.19

litrsmetan
I agree, VATS solves much in the gameplay, and without it almost unbearable to play (especially on the very difficult level). But personally I don't see anything wrong with that, in front of a Watsu nice and beautifully played

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litrsmetan 14.09.19

aKinave
I'm just tired of him to shoot, he's a little citerna

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litrsmetan 14.09.19

aKinave
in New Vegas you can shoot and so, both in principle and in 4 but I like it less three-pointers

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litrsmetan 14.09.19

aKinave
something mega-diskus does not fit, I wanted a big detailed discussion

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fox345 14.09.19

No matter what anyone wrote or say, Fallout 3 for me, always was, is and will be one of the coolest games I've meet over the last 20 years. A PC, coupled with Dendy, Sega, PS 1-3, they passed not a few. Was with what to compare. Many are praising NV. To me he is also quite liked, but to a lesser extent. In the first place because of the horrible notation damage weapons. To find out what a powerful 16.23х15.95 or 13.87х15.04 15.02х76.43, though the get calculator. It's very annoying. And the lack of sound localization, in my case the advantage was not, rather it was a major disappointment. Added to the game (IMHO), a lot of questionable content, like cooking over a campfire, create bullets, etc. that I personally, even on hard, is absolutely not useful. Want loved pups and Bolotnikov. The story can and will be stronger than in the third part, but he was not able to absorb those cons, I pointed out. And though my opinion is in the minority, but it's stable!!! PS And Fallout 4 has absorbed all I liked the third part. And coupled with a colour palette which came to replace the green and yellow filters, as well as the expected full Russian localization (in addition to Russian texture mod from HERO) and a bunch of nice little things, like crafting weapons, armor and precise shooting, will occupy a worthy place in my rating games. No matter what anyone said.

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MunchkiN 616 14.09.19

I remember as a stylistic usbehci wooden building which in my discretion would not save the world in this game
well, I got slapped as usual from the point of grabanica and the size of the world in General. and what znaczaco this curve buffoon with bolted system watts what I thought was a consequence of the fact that the developers were rastlinnej
but when I was listed and was honored through the game with kitakami she told me more or less gone. that is, the influence of gameplay on myself, I have completely eliminated

and regarding the children then there voschem the bunch. culturally such a society would appear to exist. but students are weak and stupid and adults adykvatnuyu people are better able to hunt, to grow rice and are physically superior. true, and grub they ought more. and so for example was perhaps there are any captivity that their elders are killed or put at the reasons described above. therefore, when the lifetime of pawson under 30 years old likely came from this MS settlement returned and seized power, or what some bandits of their prosot would of poured all voschem
but most of all I was mad that students are not killed and there was some quest and how it was played I was just rasulala I tudova through teksturki resigned here.
but a certain grotesque and flavor of this game so does it make sense to talk about what should be in reality

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BarackKamacho 14.09.19

Very fun to watch as the author of the plug holes on a sinking ship called ENT 3 fallout,but actually the problem is there is only one,and all others derived from it,and it consists in the fact that the world of fallout 3 is not perceived and is not a world in which Washington dropped a nuclear bomb, because the city in fact looks like brand survived, all buildings kept the wall and the roof,but no people live near the nuclear crater that will protect you better than the underground, well,OK, th,clever,what about food,so the point is not that it broke,the bottom line is that it shouldn't be,she either burst into flames or disintegrated,the machines also had to completely disappear because they are not made from the metal which transcend a nuclear explosion, the number of raiders and super mutants just exceed the standards any eco system,should not be so to those who can Rob and kill suddenly become more than ordinary populations,and clean water is the stench because this type of minor problem,but because it is not a problem at all,no quests related to this issue,no settlement from her suffering,one homeless person in Megaton and all about little LEMP justification at all, forget it believe it or not,but pupils have no chance to create a normal society and support them,they are too stupid and weak,and the fact that someone from shkoloty rushed across the Heath and came to her,instead of staying in a normal secure society,well, that's unrealistic,and it does not matter that LOR actually there are these holes, infinity and more, if the game was good, but it is not the same quests there is a little special because of autoleveling doesn't matter,insanity is like a city of superheroes is causing Spanish shame as a huge the walking of the work,the humor,the dialogues are boring and banal,interesting characters, maybe 4 pieces for the whole game,the atmosphere is all kind of farcical in this world don't believe because as I said above not to hike it to the world in which the bombs had fallen,to navigate the subway uncomfortable and annoying,space to play is not at the level of the old parts, thus the balance between shooter and RPG is not perfect,and fallout 3 is still more shooter than RPG,etc etc, thank God new Vegas which I believe has fixed all the fails of fallout 3 except the wretched of the engine,but 3 and 4 with personally in my perception, not canonical,and are ugly appendage,Ala fallout taktiks and to hell with them
P. s very pleased the comment comrade
fox345 immediately clear what the target audience from besezdy that are only interested in guns that can't multiply 2 numbers,and the one that prefer English high-quality voice acting, poor Russian,but the plot, characters, role-playing,not role-playing it the game does not need

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fox345 14.09.19

BarackKamacho
Well, if you can easily in mind to multiply 13.87х15.04, then you're just a math whiz. Only interested in guns where you had read? And a bunch of nice little things, like crafting weapons put on a par with are only Interested in guns. You are still in Russian strong not weak. And on account of the localization of the games, particularly Fallout 3, but for me it is much nicer to listen to the games native speech than to read text on the background of pentecosta votes. Maybe someone from the cast gave an outstanding voice, but Boris Repetur of Tridognayta sounded great. Like many other characters in games. And if you really like the first two games of the series, this is not to say that you have excellent taste, and who prefer the next part, do not have taste at all.

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BarackKamacho 14.09.19

fox345
No,there are such calculations,there are separate numbers for each roll,Ala,(6,4*7)the fact that you are only interested in the gun I realized one of those cons that you have highlighted,if you plot, quests and variety,not graded this as a lack of opportunities for show and the inability to make computations of the multiplication table,Oh still pups,well done for reminding me of another tasteless insanity from besezdy

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fox345 14.09.19

BarackKamacho
Tasteless insanity from besezdy all of you understand. Another expert and guru games. I've seen your brother on the Internet, along with film critics and music critics enough. And make another srach, I have not the slightest desire. I recall only one old adage the taste and color of comrades there. )))

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BarackKamacho 14.09.19

fox345
Yes, and here taste,it's just ridiculous that some of the pupae give pluses to stats,how is that even logically justified,similar attributes a lot of fantasy,and not postupaka

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aKinave 14.09.19

BarackKamacho
drowning (even a sunken ship) is a classic fallout, because the gameplay they were the most disgusting and the creation besezdy is a masterpiece which no obsidian will not be on the shoulder. But okay, let's analyze all your OLDPAGE-arguments.
BarackKamacho wrote:
Washington dropped a nuclear bomb, because the city in fact looks like brand survived, all buildings kept the wall and the roof,but no people live near the nuclear crater that will protect you better than the underground, well,OK, th
Yes, you, my friend, or eyesight something wrong, either with perception. Do you remember how looks angamaly Washington in the room? There are 90% of buildings have either collapsed or are bursting at the seams and on the verge of falling apart (I just can't believe that you'd not notice any holes and cracks). With metro I actually yelled that in these metro once roamed? Every other collector or station clogged: a) Gul; b) the super mutants; C) raiders and other mobs.



BarackKamacho wrote:
about the food,so the point is not that it broke,the bottom line is that it shouldn't be,she either burst into flames or disintegrated
good luck, the slightest remnants of primitive organic material does in any case remain, and the presence of radiation, again suggests that the gazebo is not positioned all the food in the game as completely preserved.

BarackKamacho wrote:
the machines also had to completely disappear because they are not made from the metal which transcend a nuclear explosion
What is the joy? Do you seriously think that the chance that a couple-dozen transport after the war will not survive? Do not bring delirium, the transport in the room is very small, at about every 30 meters the Capital wasteland is a maximum of 1 car.



BarackKamacho wrote:
the number of raiders and super mutants just exceed the standards any eco system,should not be so to those who can Rob and kill suddenly would be more than the General population
Again you show your low knowledge Laura three-pointers. Want to know why the game has so many super mutants? Then either go and normally overdo it, or read the wiki article asylum 87 and don't ask such stupid questions. But you're most likely not going to do it and will continue bezopasnoye to vilify the game, so I will help you with that. The super mutants breed thanks to the FEV virus, it all happens in the Shelter 87, which is the main base of super mutants in the game. As for the raiders in the game with respect to the same super mutants is very small and that their more ordinary inhabitants of the wasteland, sucked from the finger. And even assuming that they do more, then what? What do you want wasteland in which there is no morality and conscience? Initially, people were mad from the war, and after they began to lose him from the consequences of this war, why should they not become such bastards like the raiders?

BarackKamacho wrote:
and clean water is the stench because this type of minor problem,but because it is not a problem at all,no quests related to this issue,no settlement from her suffering,one homeless person in Megaton and all
Keep and read the material from the wiki at random to incautaron:





You have again shown how poorly you know this game. But to blame you for this, I will not, because to learn about these random encouter the only playing without fast travel. But the fact that you were again wrong, cannot be disputed.

Further did not read, because the same type vskukareki fans interpleya I already overpowering. All further your discontent is the repetition of the questions, the answers to which I gave in the first post of the thread.

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BarackKamacho 14.09.19

aKinave
well, firstly I'm not a fan interpleya,I'm not really like,secondly, you just don't give a shit that you're there with the saw,it doesn't matter because we are crawling along induram which look perfectly normal and habitable,and that people should be United and kill a couple of dozen ghouls?but no, we will live with the bomb and yet there are these weird children of the atom,and Yes two enkaunter will not allow the player to believe that in the wasteland there are some problems with the water,add at least one big quest associated with it,then wherever you went,about the cars, I just do reply,that is the type of in Washington who hellishly bombed by nuclear bombs,were to remain surviving cars with nuclear reactors,I hope you understand staderna bomb is not a howitzer,it does not bomb on buildings she bombed the cities and burns them to ashes,leaving only ruins,and just do not care for this lore and logic,the old fall also caused feyspalm from their robots without transistors,the game is just bad,and what are you talking about the fact that the obsidians to besezdy to grow and grow,no,Bethesda needs to grow up to obsidian,because 3 of the fall there are only 2 advantages over Vegas,it's more open map and not semilinear gut and overall game stability

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MelShlemming 14.09.19

In short, I realized that all Fallout - crap. Will go on to play a fun game.

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aKinave 14.09.19

BarackKamacho
all these injury in most cases - the places that find out the maximum of any miners, what is the joy inhabitants of the wasteland have to be about them know? It is easier to secure a place in the bigger cities like rivet city and megaton.

The city around the bomb is a normal phenomenon, because his story puts everything in its place.

One big quest about the water? Please: Living water

To kill all the ghouls physically impossible and impractical, that I'm still talking about what they can re-occur due to radiation or FEV

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aKinave 14.09.19

BarackKamacho
by the way, broken steel quests a lot of fatty, water-related

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BarackKamacho 14.09.19

aKinave
well I guess from that article that they are on them two feet away,and by the way a couple of the NPC still has intelligence,for I do remember that in some village near megaton,people live in a normal house and not in the jumble of iron and sticks,and Yes, ghouls do not appear because of the FEV,and they kill quite like super mutants in General that for example 2 just after the fall ceased to be a threat because I am not a normal group,unlike the NKR,for example,and by the way, they infertile that also leaves a separate mark on their populations well,or should leave