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Charl 03.02.20 04:09 pm

Games journalism.

All kind time of day. Traveling through the pages, I often notice recurring conflicts as individual authors writing reviews, and to the profession as a whole.One side argues that the professional opinion is primary,because this man, devotes himself to the case, having the experience and education to lead to a more objective perception of the material. The other side on the contrary, declares that only on personal experience, one is able to understand, to agree with the opinion of a professional or not. In the end, the common man, the gaming experience can exceed the experience of any journalist. Of course, not every journalist is able to write objectively, yielding vkusovschina, that is, as a simple living person(who is already in the hundreds of monotonous and similar games), failing to dissociate itself from personal dislike of the project , it can considerably reduce the value of the game, which hits just on the first category of debaters. On the other hand, the person is not trained in this profession, has the right to do not to pretend to be objective: to obtain pleasure from bad projects viewed through the prism of nostalgia, etc. How do you feel about journalism in the gaming space? Do you believe in the objectivity of the person, regardless of whether it works in this area, or rely on yourself? I want to add that not intended, to aggravate the situation. Please speak freely and give voice to another, possibly without insults and personal attack.
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Samyy krutanskiy krutan 03.02.20

Charl wrote:
How do you feel about journalism in the gaming space?
probably, as well as the thermometer outside the window, with the only difference that physics can be trusted completely, but her human counterpart with great care.

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ColonelJason 03.02.20

Charl
You are all quite laid out right, but spared an embarrassing, but important caveat: game journalists (as, however, and non-gaming) tend to suffer from unrequited love. The love of money. I liked how this piquant situation did nomad. He wrote to the game a lot of praise, but on the most essential content of the review it became clear that the game is shit. But in General, I don't think the question is really meaningful. Reviews people read to get a General impression, it is clear that on the basis of one review is unlikely someone will make a principled decision.
Krucinski the quiet badass wrote:
probably, as well as the thermometer outside the window, with the only difference
Hmm... If your main purpose is obtaining reliable information for you a thermometer with a journalist not a parity, the question arises: in what relation are they to you are identical? You read the gaming reviews before going out to decide how to dress now? Or look at the thermometer to decide whether to buy the game?

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MunchkiN 616 03.02.20

the purpose of a kind of consumer journalism for me is the third independent position between the producer who wants to sell the product and the consumer who defaults as would not want thus there is some information about the product non is essentially. and the purpose of advertising in addition don't the people know about the product so bought it.
for the inexperienced consumer, a respected journalist is a bit of a beacon in a stormy ocean Gauvin and the consumer is experienced, knows what he needs - an entertaining private opinion and all advice.
naturally a product doesn't have to like or dislike a certain consumer, you can be agree or disagree with the opinion of a certain journalist or have assumed a kind of function. in any case, the arbitration RLI that does not change.
perhaps in the future the neural network as it will press strongly the functions of journalists and free them! for they are more aiming to offer goods and services to fans of isometric rpga and shutanov. but conspiracy theory and paranoia remain.

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Samyy krutanskiy krutan 03.02.20

ColonelJason wrote:
You read the gaming reviews before going out to decide how to dress now?
no, the content of the review specifies only the color of socks and butterflies.
but the color of cowards - of course the identity of the reviewer. for example, my beloved baby - a chubby boy and sweet cheeks (even when he says so cute puckers his lips, sucks like a big Lollipop in a tube) is undoubtedly exciting, forcing you to use all shades of red...
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ColonelJason wrote:
Or look at the thermometer to decide whether to buy the game?
to buy? what is it like?

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Vova126 03.02.20

Before buying, read "gambling", and then ceased, the magazine has become thinner, have games, as for me, many inflate the rating. My opinion I would woodshe 80% of all games would put a low rating, I play since dandy and me facing all modern seems boring and not interesting past in that I was interested to play the passage is dark souls and all, but it was something new and interesting, most of today's products-games do not impress me at all. So I can't trust gaming journalism, because I think the majority of the games high rating, maybe someone and like it, but I am not at all impressive, if I wrote reviews and gave marks, great nstwo the Ein would have a 3.4 out of 10 ti

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Pilat. 03.02.20

Vova126
maybe you just grew up? and ceased to reach the target audience of Hamdamov

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requiemmm 03.02.20

It geymdevy pushed the boundaries of audience in the most impudent manner:) If you grew up, you just stopped liking games, but if you stick dozens of hours in something old, not out of nostalgia, and passing the first time, and among the new projects anything decent can not be found, it's just it. Why I decided that the stupid children will bring more money...well, OK, Cho. Left to check out 7300 old games, and novelties let developed game.

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Pilat. 03.02.20

requiemmm
bad pig)

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Charl 03.02.20

ColonelJason
Yes, nomad was generally very ambiguous personality, but at the time, to be IGROPROM, was considered perhaps the most cherished dream of each player and the authority they had as high as never before perhaps, in our not yet spoiled by progress space)

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Charl 03.02.20

MunchkiN 616
In the end, advertising is advertising. Attracting new customers even to the dubious product was unfortunately a priority. When the enthusiasm is over, the money was a good incentive. It's the old players understand that reviews like in the best tradition of ... most likely means blatantly borrowed . More young, it can stimulate the potential purchase of the product.

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Charl 03.02.20

Vova126
I agree, it's the same thing I wrote the comment above. Even Suponev often meant. When to his Desk got the originals and the Chinese clones, it was often referred to as the second initial. But who knows, maybe it really is out of ignorance, were wild times) Maybe I'm wrong, but with Dark Souls, everything is clear. The approach to the gameplay reminded me of the old game with the same Dandy. The player is required to constantly remember the places where he can get serious damage. There are points, from which it, in the event of death begins preprohormone. Skill and reaction from the player grow through repeated attempts. Challenging opponents, to the end of the game becomes ordinary. All of this was in games past. But the PG situation is a little differently. in 99% of cases evaluation of players much higher than journalists working here. It's pretty funny)

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Vova126 03.02.20

Now I was thinking, but articles in magazines are written by people who, in theory, the de has increased and they, in theory, should be interesting to the modern game, but they nevertheless put their high scores and praise like it's all they are interested in, it turns out they prevaricate, they write, that is interesting although it is not a wonder, it turns out they write and it is not quite adequate writings. And it turns out you can't trust them

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ColonelJason 03.02.20

Charl
Charl wrote:
Even Suponev often meant. When to his Desk got the originals and the Chinese clones, it was often referred to as the second initial.
Curious about what exactly the situation is it? Just as I recall/understand, the program had three consoles - nes, sega, and snes. And for the first two cartridges we have sold only a pirate, and for the latter - only license. So, it is not clear how such a situation can be to do something in favor of the pirates.
Vova126 wrote:
in magazines written by people who, in theory, the de has increased and they, in theory, should be interesting to the modern game
Do you think that game journalism are people who are not interested in the game? Are you sure that you are
Vova126 wrote:
Now I think
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Vova126 03.02.20

If they play games since dandy and outplayed, since that time, lots of games and they are still all in a row interestingly, the direct interest is not extinguished to the same, I do not think their opinion is adequate and, accordingly, to trust them when it can not. I Scilab that same thing and so annoying and most sovremennyh games don't deserve great ratings that they give, and if not nadoedaet here is the same, the person just standing there in their thoughts and judgments, and prostoyat kind of degradation, which point to read their articles

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ColonelJason 03.02.20

Vova126
Vova126 wrote:
If they play games since dandy and outplayed, since that time, lots of games and they are still all in a row interestingly, the direct interest is not extinguished to the same, I do not think their opinion is adequate and, accordingly, to trust them when it can not.
For you, it probably will be news, but since the dandy , which is actually the nes, the game has changed a little. And it is this variability has fuelled keen interest to this issue. And following your logic (there is no logic in your reasoning, of course not), you should not trust any reviewers. Because auto reviewers have long been tired of these same coffins on four wheels, reviewers restaurants have become boring eating from the same plants and animals, music critics do not know where to go from the drudgery of seven notes, and about critics, I generally keep quiet, so somewhere where, as in the movie from the forties did not do anything new, the whole film is a chronicle of 80 years of sequels and remakes.

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Charl 03.02.20

ColonelJason
We are talking about one part of the Advetnture Island, look out of curiosity. The problem was that it in the Studio first got a pirated version where it was just changed only the name and sprite of the main character. But since the original, came to him later , he apparently had no choice but to say, the Strange thing is, everything here is the same as in the previous game. By the way, that wasn't my point. I was still too small to make any conclusions at all, but I have a dandy of the year that way 96 - 97 appeared. Remember the collection from 9999 games where most of it was hacked Mario as well as a fourth mortal Kombat where Goro could hardly get the other characters to the chin)In my opinion , KInaman'and in one of the issues discussed suponev of how I took it.

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ColonelJason 03.02.20

Charl
Charl wrote:
at KInaman'and in one of the issues discussed suponev of how I took it.
I would like to see (searched - did not find). Wannabe - companion muddy, and things strange: I now began to watch his video where he claims that our time, everyone was absolutely sure that all 16 pieces of Mario dandy - license. Those who have everything, why would he think that they were in something sure? As far as I remember our time, we did not have categories of license/not license relative to the cartridges for the nes. Everyone knew that some of the game - normal, and others - some curves, but we have not marked it as belonging to the license (and was absolutely right because, as I said above, they were not licensed).
With regards to Suponeva, I will definitely admit that he is wrong - as you yourself rightly observed:who then should know? But I don't think he deliberately meant.

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Charl 03.02.20

I'll look in a bit, and tell you if heat. He suffers from long ribbons) Yes, you are right, the very concept of a license simply otstutstvovali was incredibly fancy and expensive Sega mega drive 2, which in turn was also quite questionable involvement of the original developer, Nintendo (and supernintendo) which I did not know, and of course a dandy) it would be Correct to say that license we all went about, but someone from this worse? ) We even Stifler's vaunted not be there where I lived. Lucky for use the Turbo Grafx 16 from a friend , but it was true the factory console, I don't think someone could create a clone of it. There cartridges something like a huge Sd card. And Yes, I also don't think Suponev has done this intentionally, about people not saying bad at all )

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A.Soldier of Light 03.02.20

Charl wrote:
The other side on the contrary, declares that only on personal experience, one is able to understand, to agree with the opinion of a professional or not.
The question is, do you trust the opinion of such a professional or not. If not, I check on your experience.
Charl wrote:
On the other hand, the person is not trained in this profession, has the right not to claim objectivity
What profession, by the way? )) Can all play to make a review it is not difficult, if the brain is in place. Objectivity, of course, necessary, because many are judged emotionally, and it's too much. The game needs to be without emotion.
Charl wrote:
viewed through the prism of nostalgia, etc.
There are some modern games that have done in those two years, according to the chart, reminiscent of the old nineties 8) A mega-popular Minecraft game 25 years ago, but he did not interfere. The dialogue is just one of the elements of the game on which to judge her. Gameplay is most important, more important than the storyline, the characters and the opportunity to play a role in an RPG...
Objectivity, other things, prevents the financial aspect ) If a review is paid, you should not expect a negative opinion about the game in principle. So I think that reviews have to write for free and without emotion. If the game is a continuation of the series, it is possible to separately describe it as in itself without regard to the previous parts of the series, and pass through a"prism of nostalgia. In movies, the same norm applies.