The rules of Fair PvP, discussion, questions (Diablo 2)
At the request of some uzorov decided to create a topic where we can discuss certain moments about certain points of the rules.This topic is proposed to ask the question in the direction of the rules of Fair PvP, in particular, why not a specific paragraph. Is it OK if Corydoras will actively comment on issues, but other answers from experienced players are welcome.
This is not a call and not an obligation of the administrator of pvp (regularly comment on the forum), but just that people (including me) knew what excuse was created a particular rule.
6. You can't pick up mana potions and arrows. - why not? don't see the point in banning distribute cans on the floor with mana that the players had to finish the fight due to the fact that they ran out of mana. Eski exception, of course. The arrow amok too often end before the end of the battle.
Such restrictions, and those that are lower bits form the habit of playing passively, because the lower the survivability of the character, the more passive the duel.
10.2 default use Battle Orders and Battle Command with the rune word Call To Arms is permitted, if one of the players against banned I see No reason why you can prohibit the use of BO. All players in the same position. More or less, it makes sense to ban the simultaneous use of block and BO.
11. Caste skills, increase performance, is allowed to produce only for themselves and only things worn by the character during the entire battle. I see no reason to prohibit the use of precast of Cuba who always invent. Solves a number of problems with Bo from the type of characters amok and ESOC.
13. Prohibited the use of charges with things in General I'll never know why. Is that a deliberate narrowing of the list of combat-ready of the Persians.
14. Barbara is forbidden to open wounds increased more than 25%. Allowed to use more than only against characters with a teleport. - Well, this. You need to consider that most barbarians will use attack skill with two guns and a chance to inflict s not shown on the gear, they are difficult to calculate. Desired or adequate wording or the lifting of the ban.
16.3 Prohibited uses of property items with slow target.(you can use the casters, but also against casters). also very strange item. One of the most popular item in the game - Arah ,which has 10% slow. On other belts too. 10% you can allow, this is called the lesser evil.
9.5 If the assassin uses claw 2:
Maximum fire resistance is limited to a mark of 85%, with the resist of 76% or more of the prohibited interest absorb.
Maximum light resistance is limited to a mark of 85%, with the resist of 76% or more of the prohibited interest absorb. It's too much, despite the fact that the assassins 50-60% of all spells biocide claws, and stack in the form of sometimes immune of the master. Sarki ASEK kill once a year, can be lowered to 80%.
18. Amazon.
18.1. Fire Resistance: 75%RES + 20% abs, 76-85%RES + 15% abs, 86-90%RES 90рес when vorotah too much, but I'm not here to insult fans of amok, which nobody can't kill, don't have anything to offer.
6. You can't pick up mana potions and arrows.
Spell with a small mana pool in the protracted duel for lack of mana to play more passively. I think those cans to distribute to the duel was active.
10.2 default use Battle Orders and Battle Command with the rune word Call To Arms is permitted, if one of the players against prohibited
+ item
11. Caste skills, increase performance, is allowed to produce only for themselves and only things worn by the character during the entire battle.
Let's consider an example. Bonemancer vs Amazon with a bow and javelin on the swap. If you allow Bo without the consent of both parties to leave under the ban of caste from a cube that is in the inventory, it is obvious that Amazon chances of winning with a one-way Bo on the necro will be even less. Here or leave rule act, or to allow a partial change, only when you use the cube by itself (not from the chest).
13. Prohibited use of the charge with things
Balance is like a small stone in the garden of the druid. As the main charge to be used is Oak. Nick Hoto OFC, to obtain a small profit, but in General, any char can use a unique ring with AECOM on the situation.
Well, in addition to the previous point is the Demon limb with anchem, if allowed to carry the cube and chastity ENCs, it will only benefit a relatively weak malesnica in pvp.
14. Barbara is forbidden to open wounds increased more than 25%. Allowed to use more than only against characters with a teleport.
Very strange restriction for one of the most expensive in the Assembly ekipy and not the strongest for pvp Chara.
16.3 Prohibited uses of property items with slow target.(you can use the casters, but also against casters).
As mentioned above - Arah is the most popular zone by far the cost to make an exception (for analogs with a 10% too).
9.5 If the assassin uses claw 2:
Maximum fire resistance is limited to a mark of 85%, with the resist of 76% or more of the prohibited interest absorb.
Maximum light resistance is limited to a mark of 85%, with the resist of 76% or more of the prohibited interest absorb.
That is, if you can wear the same TG belt, which gives 85%+20асб, but you can't have 80%(as an option or Lo forti in the header) and put even the most maroon Visp, for example, 10%abs. Well, at least it is too much imbalance in the direction of TG (which is itself imbalanced c/c finished, IMHO).
18. Amazon.
18.1. Fire Resistance: 75%RES + 20% abs, 76-85%RES + 15% abs, 86-90%RES
Then you need to atypicality fire Soso users, as it is there with evasion?
Brutal_Pra wrote:
Spell with a small mana pool in the protracted duel for lack of mana to play more passively. I think those cans to distribute to the duel was active.
Offer at the same time to distribute HP-potions and allow them to pick up and drink. And characters with little HP I'm afraid of losing him, and also passivate because of this.
Brutal_Pra wrote:
Very strange restriction for one of the most expensive in the Assembly ekipy and not the strongest for pvp Chara.
Lies, IK set is only ist.
Brutal_Pra wrote:
Soso users
fu nasty to write
Dober
I will explain the rule about the barbarian and his AGENTS. There was meant that walking against the barbarian chars are forbidden to wear s, but not to force to remove his Beast was allowed 25%. That is not the actual chance of open wounds 25%, but only with armor allowed 25%.
PS. well, right what not charges. Do without Iakov and Jenca.
firkax
You haloperidol have a drink, wear the IK set and have the Khilok, and then look has become very bad, poor guy :C
T-Fox
Well, let's ban the block against the barbarian (rofl). Just curious to see the arguments why, in principle, S should be banned.
T-Fox
T-Fox wrote:
I will explain the rule about the barbarian and his AGENTS. There was meant that walking against the barbarian chars are forbidden to wear s
And how is this justified? All the pedestrian charms usually stronger than the barbarian. Why only the barbarian, and not all Persians?
To deprive the barbarian that against melee and so not very, more, and gore rider are generally not cool.
Brutal_Pra
Brutal_Pra wrote:
If you allow Bo without the consent of both parties to leave under the ban of caste from a cube that is in the inventory, it is obvious that Amazon chances of winning with a one-way Bo on the necro will be even less
If you allow Bo without the possibility of a ban opponent, and to prohibit the simultaneous use of Bo and a block, for Amazon it will only be a plus. Characters with power much stronger than without him and with Bo.
Brutal_Pra
Dober
HEU guys, I just explained the point of the rules. The Questions that you ask should answer not me. Very long played by the Persians without teleport, I don't know the extent of the troubles there is the armed forces of the beaver.
T-Fox
Then tried to get clear in principle, but somehow very wrong approach. The ban is clearly not objective.
And let's not make fair rules fpk rules, because not everyone has necr puck of skylarov 45хп and rings iMovie stats like the plan de Corones..
What is missing in the rules, so it's antipassive and all. Sawed the opportunity for Modera pvp to follow the players and all questions. Modernization itself confers the lesion for a passive.
About cans, arrows, and charges, all complete nonsense.
Dober wrote:
If you allow Bo without the possibility of a ban opponent, and to prohibit the simultaneous use of Bo and a block, for Amazon it will only be a plus. Characters with power much stronger than without him and with Bo.
Here I agree, but there is a caveat. For example a paladin with Bo without max block, but holyshield with a good block chance. How to check/restrict?
MOWHOCTu wrote:
What is missing in the rules, so it's antipassive and all.
MOWHOCTu wrote:
About cans, arrows, and charges, all complete nonsense.
Well traps with a mana pool of ~200 and passivate in a protracted duel, and that modernization gave the car to Luz for this - even an extremely subjective thing.
Brutal_Pra
Well, to deny Holy shield with Bo as an option. But in General, paladins have block not with stormchild, that is, 35% others had not. So if there is some underlying value of the block in 30-40% of that fine, the fact that the rate of Dr will be much less.
MOWHOCTu
MOWHOCTu wrote:
What is missing in the rules, so it's antipassive, and all
The person is a moderator and this message says that all the bans are taking place, and the only thing to change is to make antipassive.
Great. We have a post that I agree with all the bans. Can we now argue what they justified, a moderator?
12. Prohibited the use skill Teleport by using the object Widowmaker.
I believe you need to remove this limitation for all classes except the barbarian. Want to firk, too, in its Soso was cut off))) And then he won a angry Troll :{
6. You can't pick up mana potions and arrows
In a fight lasting 3 minutes - 16 potions of mana and 350 arrows is enough. Unlimited number of potions at blood moor will lead to a passive game and, as a result, the game on location in Valley Of Snakes, where the players, being able to lift the potion to fight a very long time.
10.2 default use Battle Orders and Battle Command with the rune word Call To Arms is permitted, if one of the players against prohibited
Skill Battle orders might be prohibited by the player for a number of reasons: with a large number of life and mana duel lasts longer, the barbarians stand at a disadvantage. The claim that battle orders will poor players is wrong, on the contrary, the players with top gear will have a greater advantage.
11. Caste skills, increase performance, is allowed to produce only for themselves and only things worn by the character during the entire battle.
We are talking about banning probatov, for example, energy shield from a chest and the like. From the cube in the inventory is possible, but whether such precast 4 cells? The Amazons, of course, if you carry a cube with subject call to arms.
13. Prohibited use of the charge with things
Charges, such as: oak, teleport, enchant - will make the imbalance among the characters. The use of Oak all classes will put the druid at a disadvantage. Teleport - physical dps will be able to increase damage, wear armor fortitude instead of enigma. Enchant will also give the advantage of physical damagers.
14. Barbara is forbidden to open wounds increased more than 25%. Allowed to use more than only against characters with a teleport.
It would be unfair if the winner in BVB was determined on the criterion of who has more attack rating with 100% open wounds and lucky.
16.3 Prohibited uses of property items with slow target.(you can use the casters, but also against casters).
This paragraph concerns the duel against Amazon, -10% ias can lead to the loss of the ias threshold which would put Amazon at a disadvantage.
9.5 If the assassin uses claw 2:
Maximum fire resistance is limited to a mark of 85%, with the resist of 76% or more of the prohibited interest absorb.
Maximum light resistance is limited to a mark of 85%, with the resist of 76% or more of the prohibited interest absorb.
Based on the properties of common items wisp projector, dwarf star ring, thundergod's vigor belt, infernostride boots resistance can be as described in the rules. Players will score or 75 res+20% abs or 85 res.
There is an idea to create a table of popular prorolling of characters, where each class is compared with another, through their evaluation from 0 to 10. For example: Es Es fire sorceress vs sorceress light: 5-5 - it means that the characters are balanced and win each other (on average) the same number of times, antichrome each other are not. Assassin traps vs elemental druid 8 - 2 - this means that the assassin has an advantage over the druid, you can say assassin is anticharm for druid.
Corydoras wrote:
Skill Battle orders might be prohibited by the player for a number of reasons: with a large number of life and mana duel lasts longer, the barbarians stand at a disadvantage
Barbarians will only be too happy to ban the only block with Bo
Corydoras wrote:
From the cube in the inventory is possible, but whether such precast 4 cells?
Can is approval? Add it in the rules. And whether or not now everyone decide for themselves.
Corydoras wrote:
The use of Oak all classes will put the druid at a disadvantage. Teleport - physical dps will be able to increase damage, wear armor fortitude instead of enigma. Enchant will also give the advantage of physical damagers.
Oak will give Stak, against guidoscope UAC he niochem in terms of HP gains, the jenča will only give AP, TP charges is nonsense because 25 rounds you fly for 30 seconds and then catch a pack misailov
Corydoras wrote:
It would be unfair if the winner in BVB was determined on the criterion of who has more attack rating with 100%
In General as BVB and running.
Corydoras wrote:
This paragraph concerns the duel against Amazon, -10% ias can lead to the loss of the ias threshold which would put Amazon at a disadvantage.
And Ah, paladin, barbarian
Corydoras wrote:
dwarf star ring
3 minutes was in a stupor and tried to remember what it is. He had wore one?
Corydoras wrote:
There is an idea to create a table of popular prorolling of characters, where each class compared with others
Why? All and so know what and how. Or are you just too shy to ask someone who is stronger?
yok0o
Why? All and so know what and how
And I like the table! Give holivary on the subject antikarov more! I remember how wildly argued before about hammere>all about assat>all. But with all the necro was boring, no one denied that he is an amazing pers...
T-Fox wrote:
There was meant that walking against the barbarian chars are forbidden to wear s, but not to force to remove his Beast was allowed 25%. That is not the actual chance of open wounds 25%, but only with armor allowed 25%.
No.