Of mice and men, and children.
The last bell rang and I had the privilege to attend.Then I overheard a dialogue, which is clearly voiced one phrase:we need more peel.
And I'm shocked that in this century someone believes violence against children a good educational measure. The problem is that regardless of the degree of misconduct, use of force only confirms the innocence of the child, and this effect is visible only a temporary effect.
I think people adhere to such models of education destructive cells of the society, who are raising their own kind of pests. These people need to legislatively restrict communication and forbid to have children.
What do you say, is it okay to beat the children for misbehavior or not?
Great Obyazatel
The question, in my opinion, complex and multifaceted. I , for example, three years the child, sometimes you have to slap. Well, of course, symbolic, but an act of violence , consider, there. But I think anyone who has dealt with children in this age will agree that it's do difficult.
But the question here, as I understand it, is about violence in a more conscious age. I'm such methods do not advocate, and apply them not planning, but they themselves cannot name. Let me explain: I know a lot of people thrashed in the academic sense, ie sec. People have grown up quite a decent, successful, without any mental trauma, and very grateful parents. The point here is, I believe, is not in the fact of presence/absence of lupine, and quite another - in a common methodology of education. If a person sure knows how to live, if he has a clear understanding of what he wants to be his child and that you need to do this, there is nothing wrong with the strap in the ass, seriously, I don't see. If the same person is pounding the child hurl, just due to the fact that the concept has no, as it is to educate, and otherwise in the development of his personality is not involved, nothing good from this, of course, will not work.
Well, a few words about the most terrible form of this phenomenon. There are people, or rather inhuman, which, drunk drunk crashed into the home and begin to drop the County itself, the grapes of wrath, and can kick or hit the baby's head just because he is under their feet getting caught. This scum need from society to dispose of, and spend time with them courses mental rehabilitation through a long, intensive occupational therapy, in the fresh air of the Siberian forests.
for creatures small and foolish a good and effective way to change current behavior is to use a certain superior physical force than to call all respect. correct, however, to establish a covalent bond acts and retribution and cause the pot to go-SWAT so that he scared him shitless and stutter and continue such a person would have the instinct situation, leaving no one safe womb leading to the consequences of critical and extremely desirable but at the same time comprehended the law of elasticity when society is bendable branch when you apply a long power has all sorts wont to irreversible catastrophic deformations and that such had not happened we should listen to the Council of elders and sages.
in time the LM being such a person should be able to think independently and the skills required in school so there is there is the value of total self-discipline, to be able to make decisions, and manage causal link with the forecasting scenarios - corporal punishment and penance become more unacceptable and totally not appropriate since that path easy leading to opportunism in the narrow situation and not running the world with a complex set of situations. and secondly should be all sorts of equality and motivation should be high and intellectual.
MunchkiN 616 wrote:
correct, however, to establish a covalent bond acts and retribution and cause the pot to go-SWAT
A very dubious statement. Childish tantrum is a very specific mechanism, it consists in the fact that the child tries to deviant behavior to achieve the desired, exhortations at this moment, usually just stimulate the baby to increase expression of the (as he sees that the parents drastic measures do not accept, and believes that he is on the right track). Good slap at this moment is not a show of force, and certainly not the way to command respect. This inherent evolutionary stopper for such behavior. It's like a pinch of man, that he woke up from a nightmare. No mental issues, this should not cause, as well as does not cause psychological trauma that fire you burn is simply a way of your body to understand that you need to stop doing what you're doing. But measures of psychological impact, especially with the involvement of third parties - is quite another matter. Their goals, parents most likely achieved (albeit for a very short period of time), but how will it affect the child - hard to say. I have established this empirically on personal experience. My parents a few times so faked calling the police (of course they just pretended that call, but at the time the drama seemed to me very convincing), and of course, I was scared shitless. Only here to the things I was promised a prison sentence, I went back the next day. And call the police just left one of the most vile of my childhood memories that I will never tell my parents thank you.
the philosophy of riot police and special forces who put and lowered the child is not there that is better or worse for micro Kosma a certain child and is based on the fact that every human being is based on equal human rights that apply even in the case where the person is not really using them in different circumstances. this leads to the fact that the parent or the person currently responsible for the child has no rights to physical leptepania which is equivalent to one man has no right to hit another and if does this is committing a certain offense. moreover, the child is various dependent and more restrained in the rights. however, in society there are people and structures with which to do howling that it is possible and that is their professional occupation. according to the logic they must resort to some measures to restore order. similar but somewhat poorly implemented mechanisms operate in several European countries. as STE in law happens to be honest I nameday. felts can be hit and felts then there is no valid a principle that is if the consequences of something and counter the actions of the worse consequences is a crime if on the contrary it is not.
to avoid any bureaucratic red tape and excessive costs stupid believe that parent and the person generally has the right to fix any physical assault but a definite, a definition which raises some difficulties. including this topic I am deeply and not thought through.
and actually the thinking should be based not taboo concepts as on the concepts of action and retribution and in order to be quite a strong logic, which I definitely 3-4 years did not have a philosophical came to Pozza than thought about supersonic nuclear bombers to alternative ramjet engine that is the end of primary school. plus the man has voschem genetically inherent in communication and behaviour of different stuff.
from the point of view probably unfounded it can be argued that all animal including man learns well based on the pain and any discomfort. this process is a deep physiological and processed at a subconscious level. pain people quickly forget and the plant continues to operate strongly from the subconscious, it resembles the process of taming all sorts of animals. and there is a very important simple associative scheme. taking a cue from the fire, once it burned you it is very notable to remember that the hands to Suva should not, however, in a more conscious age, it can lead to phobias and attitudes as an example. if simple ties with no predictable patterns, it has a negative impact on the psyche and behavior. the point is that at some point, a person is able to create quite complex logical structures with the predictive ability and can already clearly explain why he felt the pain and what happened, not always logically correct from the point of view of classical logic, but it doesn't matter. from this point the method of carrot and stick conditionally ceases to work as intended by the developer and need to move on to other methods of influence and motivation. and interprets stressful situations acquire any brain activity lead to all sorts of myth-making and, ultimately, Primo influence on the whole subsequent life and on neural connections will go more so for injuries a psychological effect of course more.
and as theatrical performances for I do not think that someone the child will call the police really (although in the us can peck-peck) and another example is when the nurse says schA you then leave or give uncle works with a fairly big children from 3 years and more and from where 5 are also formed a certain experience of double standards. on the one hand the negative experiences like to live a negative Outlook often never re implemented and if the child has eggs he can beat the parent that in the hierarchy of power would put him above the authority of the parent will fall. and it will become clear that nothing is true and everything is permitted.
and interesting Pitch I came in kindergarten. there's guys said something like this - what a cool dad can stretch the fight a few people in Chom I trace godlike dear image of his father and the cult of force. that is, it appears that the child may not oppose his father's military prowess because of the bream he will make triple saglio and fly to the moon because that is about the same as to oppose God. in turn this cult spread to equal them boys started bundle roughly speaking those who can fight back and who is not the last people vile, despicable and all sorts of rear-wheel drive. this setpoint society goes further in a fun school life and further the cult of power and any banditry lives up to quite respectable grades. modern children, however, can not say how it is. assume that there is now is a cult of greed and success which is the social gradation plus more individualism. but such values can appear only when the parents are not considered as God-man that is, in some extent, this is the second time the acquired values and in the primary will be all the same power and authority in the hierarchy of the family.
Great Obyazatel
Great Obyazatel wrote:
What do you say, is it okay to beat the children for misbehavior or not?
This is an extremely good technique impact on those who do not understand the words. In addition to all other advantages, the method is effective for both children and adults. And, of course, invigorates the body and spirit, surpassing that of foreign Radulov.
Children are stupid creatures. Words they do not understand. At all. Just the belt on the ass. Only then come. And the words for them - an empty phrase.
Biomass can not think of, biomass is the standard people are the same.
The more you understand, the more difficult it is to live in the biomass.
Wing42
angryfish99
Children are not stupid, stupid are those who adheres to such opinion.
May you have a younger relative(brother, sister, son, daughter), just suppose about the incident(theft, fight at school, insult the parent). <
I despise the conservative model of education is built on prohibitions and punishments, and can offer a possible way out.
Instead of having to give orders and demand obedience from their younger relatives, start to listen to them, ask about their Hobbies, make them an environment for personal growth or they are stupid like you. When you install more or less strong relationship, you will be able to send them.
If a child plays with matches, as you warn of the possible consequences?
You may have noticed that a person's upbringing is a complex process.But I understand, really want to find my way around easier.
Realize yourself as the animal to spawn new individuals, to dominate them, and then throw them into society and let them do what I was capable of. And in fact, no abilities and possibilities, as the experience and knowledge in an early age, children receive from their parents and entourage.
Great Obyazatel
But let me ask you about this question what position to argue? You have some personal experience in this matter?
Great Obyazatel
Children excessive kindness and understanding is taken for weakness. They need a strong hand, which would have prepared them for life. After all, not helpless even communicate on the Internet on you intellectuals need to grow this shit we have enough. Especially on PG.
Determinants
Determinant wrote:
You have some personal experience in this matter?
Probably beat him as a child if he climbs with his truth.
Wing42
Gladice on the behavior of many adults, think not your father thrashed, Oh, a little, and get your father, you would not be such a fan of the fish soup.
Rolemanser
I mean, I'm Ornstein and Smaug on the first attempt killed and knocked the soul of Ornstein and a ring. I became a demi-God?)
Determinants
Determinant wrote:
To listen to him, so it do not beat. Orphan, I guess.
Well, not for us to judge. However, assumptions can do)
Wing42
After this I now scared you messages to write, who am I and who are you )))
Rolemanser
The Black halberd +5, of course, imbue =(
Che now where science should go.
Wing42
In the Catacombs was already, if not - go, that life honey did not seem, the second secondary goal is there to obtain the skull lantern.
Rolemanser
That's for sure. Passed the Catacombs and the three strikes killed Vortex - perhaps the most simple and helpless boss in the entire game.
Wing42
In Diman souls you need, you Penetrator like (I hope you like the balloons to burst) or a Judge with a parrot (I hope you're not from Peta, or people with more weight).