Choice (Dragon Age: Inquisition)

Did a saved game with the Templars, had for chopping Anders and to say goodbye to Sebastiano, but closer to the release, will create the second option for mages)

What are the Templars dictatorship, however, the stability of, and what are the Magi - a thousand and one unknown, from which even not every second is enjoyable. So, the choice is obvious.

After reading this I wonder, and those who support mages (because to oppress them unjustly, etc, etc), how do you feel about minorities? Just the mages I associate with people whose orientation differs from the traditional (especially after meeting with Anders ;-) ). They have a lot in common, don't you think? (Society hates, the Church announces they are abnormal people, although they are not dangerous, unlike mages). And if anyone who supports the mages, is an ardent homophobe, all of his arguments that people born with magical abilities, to oppress unjustly, will cause me a fit of ironic laughter. You are just such a noble, tolerant, kind, when it comes to games, but in reality, ladies and gentlemen?
But if closer to the subject, the polls to exterminate the mages inhumane. But, think, it is only necessary to dissolve the order of the Templars, to weaken the influence of the Church, and we will be the new Empire of Tevinter what else neumanna.
By the way, to believe that if the Circle is to dissolve, not to control mages, they'll all be good and shinkame, too naive. There will always be those who want to use their power, their strength, their superiority, especially when disappear the Templars.
Whether the common people magicians? No, they are stronger. They have a gift/curse, a privilege of nature/the Creator, they can always stand on scholsey and very dangerous road, they need to be controlled (but not to humiliate or destroy).
Even in this question the correct answer can not be, and the choice is only forced. I would choose the neutral side, if it were possible.

Athy Wolverine
I couldn't agree more.

On the issue of mages and Templars and you can look from a different angle. Those who deeply studied psychology should understand features:
1. The behavior of people in detention.
2. The behavior of people with power.

1. Prisoners (mages and such are) trivialized, repressed, subjected to every indignity. Instead of clothes - the uniform of a circle, instead of freedom - a courtyard for walking, instead of solitude, the crowd, such as accidents, lack of privacy, humiliation, insults, subordinate position. Criminals is clear - they planted the cause, punished. With mages - otherwise, they are punished simply for what they are, for what they and only they can make. And even if they had magic, they are still prisoners with his rebellious psychology. The circle of mages is akin to the Jewish ghetto at best and concentration camps at worst, in a similar way, far-fetched reasons. Only if in the 20th century we have - it was a racial issue, the game is a matter of magic.

Mage can be ruthless, strong and very dangerous scum. But also just a man can be a mighty villain, a mass murderer. In the game I did not see much of the power of magic in comparison with other alternatives. Than the crowd liriuni addicts better or weaker? Than addiction to larionovo powder better than blood magic? The magician becomes dependent on the demon, Templar dependent on both powder and nuts. Possessed can kill a lot of people, and a crazy warrior - no? Let's kill qunari, because they are... qunari or elves, they're... elves, so? Arishok was a good character and leader, and how it ended? The mass slaughter. And sister Petris? She also seems to be not a magician, and how many zealots ruined? A crazed elf who poisoned the entire city block? It is also not a magician. Let's kill manufacturers of explosives and poisons, they, too, troubles can do you can. Let's kill all the artisans, because they forge the swords, it's dangerous, run!!! You can still kill all the rich people - they are the exploiters, and the poor - they are rebels. Kill everyone who wears red clothes and they are annoying. If the answer will always be kill in the city will remain only walls.

2. People, in whose power are life mages. Any knowledgeable psychologist will tell you that the power is not worse than the drugs can hit in the head. Jailers can be in ordinary life, normal and even good people. But in prison - they have the power. Protest, even the slightest perceived as a personal affront, as a threat to their authority and suppressed violence, the most simple of the methods. The power you need to support is a means to humiliate, to dehumanize prisoners, to instill fear, to get into the head mages the futility of possible resistance (the man behaves). The warden (Templar) ceases to be himself, he becomes an instrument of suppression of the individual and goes to things that in normal life, a normal person would have been unthinkable. Yes, such simple people like you and I, can commit atrocities in the conditions that I described above. And, moreover, has a leadership and responsibility (here, too, psychological nuance). If the main Templar (the warden) is not ordered to stop - so it is possible. Subordinates of Christ and the entire responsibility is passed on to the authorities. They can do until they do not prohibit or while the boss is turning a blind eye.

But in the game there is such a thing (in the game) as faith, morals, principles, dignity... but we know how these great concepts can distort. To kill the magician, for the sake of faith (Andraste, recomendo...). To maintain the morality of the Templars, hiding the abuse (we say all is well, and all the woes of magic, no, we're not maniacs and not liriknya addicts and no we do not rape in punishment cells). To kill the entire circle of principle (the City supposedly do not understand why the lady blew up, people will want revenge, let's kill all mages, nya). And let's not forget about the knightly dignity, which even shake the magician's hand is already to humiliate himself. Slay these vile witches with wizards, it's worthy of, th.

No in-game threats of magic, is the tyranny of fear of the unknown. The unknown is one of the most frightening things. In the world of dragon age in General, all very strange. The circle is not working. Templars should not be jailers, hunters and rogue mages, those who have proven their danger action. Mages should be free. Then: 1. There is no problem - the prisoner/jailer. 2. Then the violence against the mage - offender will not be perceived as something unfair. MAG will be the villain himself is to blame for their fate. 3. Mages will be allowed to lead a normal life, because in magic there is not only danger, but also a great blessing. They can work, for example, healers. Elemental magic can be useful in the craft (in metallurgy, the devil no kidding). A well trained battle mage is a great support for any army. It's better than keeping an unhappy crowd, devoid of the pleasures of life in prison, where bullied.

Past Purgatory
As soon as I hear speeches about that everyone has some right to some life without prohibitions and restrictions of my ears with streams of blood dripping Fun. Why do people deny the truth, even if one only she can save them? If everyone will think like you - the world will burn up (and can start with you). Here you are a mage and help the Templars, right? You will burn as a reward for all exploits.

So only terror, oppression, just that can oppress. Familiar 20th century blows... I Believe that the Soviet partisans in the Great Patriotic war with you would not agree. Any medium extreme views is doomed to a terrible fate. Think about it, if not for someone's kindness or someone's heroism in the name of freedom, you would not be at all.

What is surprising is that the mages are rebelling?

Past Purgatory
Adera bomb - danger. Bomb - blunt weapons that bring death. The magician - the PERSON who determines your path. Templar needs to be turned into hunters criminal mages, but not all.

If you're implying that the Nazis could play havoc with my ancestors - it you in vain So, if your family is not harassed and did not suffer the horrors of terror, and then you care so? My business, right? When there's no one to kill and hate, believe, and will take you. Any tyranny is a machine which suppresses not only all around, but also destroys itself.

And goodness... I will say that good is harm, which degrades a person and makes weak. Evil grinds the human tempers and makes you stronger, makes you grow stronger or pointing the person in his place then. I'm sorry, but how old are you? Even an extremely violent man would not say such a thing without two possible reasons: 1. Or little seen before. 2. Or difficult life experiences (sad, mostly).

Kindness decomposes? Makes the weak? And if you do not confuse black and white? To counter the abominations of this world must be very like a lot of effort to not be scum, despite everything that's going on around you, you need more. Only a strong man, with a rod, can perform the feat in the name of people he doesn't even know. Only the strong are able to uphold the principles and to keep my promises.

Evil is on the shortest paths and always:1. Selfish. 2. It destroys a person.

Past Purgatory
Imagine people that flinging fiery boulders meter diameters where climb up, hrenachat thousands volt of lightning in different directions, can command the mind of the middle and force it into rage to kill anyone, unable to resurrect the dead and restore all your illusions, maybe even tricking them dozens of people and entire Nations. And qunari and gnomov is explosive, and the Templars go crazy from lyrium. What is SPECIAL danger of magic? In addition, I have not seen anything in the game such that you can say for sure that magic is the most destructive and dangerous ability. And what else do you need weapons if not to kill? Yes, but magic can still to save lives (doctors, for example). Prove to me that mages are dangerous explosives or enraged tyrants, or simply skilled warriors.

I'm only 20 That explains a lot, Lord, you are our Sith.

How good that they came, corrupted, deprived perhaps the main lesson in life. Do not you think that all depends on the individual? Undertones, they are the semitone (people are different... and some good debauchery, while others share them, or manage with the mind). Why all in one heap dump? Do you not think that it was thanks to those people who care about honor, duty, principles, the world is still not sinking into the abyss... as fast as I could.

But they are afloat, even tough guys, but the price of everything know. I'm not going to teach (don't get me wrong) but trash, even knowing what she is worth, cost of more will not. On the other hand there are people who have the guts not to be a bastard and a real go-getter (that's who is respected, but who is really valuable). The Templars in dragon age resorted to the most simple and brutal means of violence. But the situation can change, Yes, but it's harder and requires more effort. And the nature of any person, mage or not - the same. Than human mages are more prone to abomination, rather than ordinary people? Yes, nothing more than also all. Therefore, EOD is just as dangerous as the magician, but no more.

But well...there is more I can say as the examples. The person doing good is not always good in response to receiving. The essence of good is not to expect something in response, or didn't you know?

Strong does not mean good or evil. Strong become. If you became strong and remained good - you're like a noble Lancelot, in virtue overthrowing the mountains. Well, well, right back at you, and waste their strength on the weak, if not ashamed then too) But evil is also different. Justified (revenge for example) and unjustified (sadism). Unreasonable evil - a lot of people are broken, usually, though not always. Reasonable - it is justice and arms. And evil person is just as able to defend their principles to the last, and the word he may be indestructible. Oh, I know there are sites where you can download textbooks on the philosophy of the course that way for the third. Believe me, they would do you a favour (unless, of course, I'm not much taken). Sorry if I was not correct.

For the mages.
What events took place in Kirkwall?
Templars oppress mages, the mages resent the Templars oppress them even more.
Over time, the magicians began to take the nerves due to the fact that they are ranked as Maleficarum. With time, some went the way they want to see everywhere blood magic - they will get it.
Way to peacefully resolve this was only offset haywire Meredith(sorry that this opportunity has not been given, despite the quest).
Appeal to Altine would not help: well, she petitioned both sides a second time, well, would last a truce a little more time. During this time, Meredith would have gone crazy even more, they would go back to Altina and so on to infinity...
And then there's the trick of Anders blew up the Church. In addition, Meredith has some of the ceiling has decided that he knows the reaction of the inhabitants of this and decided to cut out the Circle, despite the fact that he's got to do with it.
Gregor(commander of TAO) - crazy?
Do not tell my Slippers. And didn't he say that it would withdraw the Right of Destruction, if it come to Irving and see that the tower is safe. In my opinion, quite adequate people.
Someone said that the prospect of a second Tevinter - bad? Oh, and Earl ' s arlissa-MAG - is this normal? Or you have not played a mage?
In the prehistory of the MAG you can see that they are divided into three factions - levellers(the most appropriate), are in favor of equal rights for mages, loyalists, besporochno obey the Templars and libertarians(rebels) who show care for COMPLETE separation of the mages from the Church.
I agree - Eviter - not the gut. But the presence in the highest or just the highest echelons of power of the magicians - the best option. They should either defend their rights.

Appeal to Altine This fool is one of the most annoying characters to me in DA2. She is the leader of the Church in this city, which consequently makes her head of how mages and Templars. And what does she do? All problems sweeps under the carpet in the naive hope that I don't know how it will be resolved. Hawk warns her about Petris (about her intrigues against the qunari) it is idle, which causes the victim (the city covered with blood due to the incitement by the presumptuous mother Petris that the stupid are unable to rein in advance, despite the clear signals from Hawk). Hawk warns her about the impending revolt of the magicians (and twice warns her of the impending assassination attempt on her personally) she is inactive (and the city and the whole of thedas suffers from the rebellion of the mages). Maybe as a person (in the everyday sense) she's a good person, but in terms of qualification - it is irresponsible rubbish.

And then there's the trick Anders Anders is a moral monster, and even obsessed. By his action he proved that he is not a fighter for the freedom of mages, and a disgusting coward and a hypocrite. Although both could have to understand at the first meeting with him in DA2. Voluntarily became obsessed (no matter what spirit, good or evil, but the magician had to understand what the hell he is doing). Appeared to see in the city, escaping from custody (breaking the oath) and felt damn real fighter.
At the first meeting, you see how he treats the child, and the people about him says he is good and a healer free that it people just unselfishly helping. So - it's all nonsense dog. The aid of ordinary people is nothing like a convenient cover. To win the favor of the common people, so they hid him from the Templars, while he himself is on people - not mages just do not care with a high steeple, it is the revolution you know is preparing. He is asked to give card deep roads (which by the way, he stole it) because it will help make safer the trip to the deep roads, will help to save people. And what does he do? Requires to steal your lover, which will probably entail the slaughter in the Church.
When trying to persuade grace to surrender to the Templars. and she offers to kill Trask. which they then save and tried what Anders says? One Templar less? He knows that before him the blood mages and not against the murder of one of the few Templar, who is trying to save them?! And why he decided that all mages automatically - good and bad only because of oppression of their Templars?
And how he trolls Merril? Although she's a stupid bitch, Yes, but unlike Anders has not become obsessed. The muzzle of a gun, and he still reads and morality.
And its saying that there can be a compromise between mages and Templars? Apparently he lost sight of that for a thousand years such a compromise somehow, but there was, a rebellion of mages in a particular city simply due to the fact that Meredith went too far. Adequate and fair Templar could your task to execute effectively.

Gregor(commander of TAO) - crazy?
Do not tell my Slippers. And didn't he say that it would withdraw the Right of Destruction, if it come to Irving and see that the tower is safe. In my opinion, quite adequate people. Oh? And what do you think of the chance that he'll actually see Irving alive when he said it? Hasn't he himself said that this will be possible only thanks to the miracle? And indeed it is (it was against it). And if so, then not far away and concluded that he really was going to kill all the mages. And the problem it was just that gunpowder personally to make such a decision he was not strong enough, therefore he sent for the right of destruction. And in his strength he was not supposed to be as a wimp and a coward, therefore, and demanded reinforcements.

Someone said that the prospect of a second Tevinter - bad? Oh, and Earl ' s arlissa-MAG - is this normal? And what does that prove? Or remind me how good was Connor in Radcliff, while replaced by father?

I agree - Eviter - not the gut. But the presence in the highest or just the highest echelons of power of the magicians - the best option. They should either defend their rights. Using blood magic, making the rulers puppets? MAG+political power=of Tevinter. Or power makes mages immune to intrigue or obsession? The power of the mages is only possible in a society where they are the rulers (as in the Empire of Tevinter). But then ordinary people have not sweet.

Oh? And what do you think of the chance that he'll actually see Irving alive when he said it?
In any case, he clearly Meredith, who immediately irrevocably proclaims the right of destruction, although Round here there is nothing. Yes, it a phrase that she says Hawk-mage, he says, I close my eyes you're a heretic. The question is, what harm to the city he can do, exterminating slavers and other freaks?
MAG+political power=of Tevinter.
And I did say it is about leadership positions? I was referring to posts like the first\second and other advisers, the witness to the rights of mages are not undermined. It's like that for ridicule blacks because they are black. Mages are born that way.

Resident90
which immediately, finally and irrevocably proclaims the right of destruction And that he understand now? He ran, tail between his legs (without giving a fight) and locked the mages, and pacified HIS own Templars with demons and possessed people. Oh yeah, he totally... adequate))) And at the beginning of history for the magician? Jovan to kill a novice in Eonar, and he allegedly threat (threat) and what he (Gregor) was denied magician (Jovan) in its legitimate right to a normal life? Yes campaign Gregor could only that intimidated students but the women in robes are to understand more neither the courage nor skill he lacked (though in this he failed, and the blame shifted to GG). It is from Meredith and differs only by the cowardice, but otherwise they are both scumbags. By the way, I'm Meredith and prettier (In the city and though the magicians are not just I tried to escape, but otherwise people simple Yes Templar shit - they under surveillance to escape, her paranoia than justified. But with coils it moved down only under the action of an idol, and initially she was not as categorical as the same Alric).

And I did say it is about leadership positions? I think that mages need freedom, it is. But from the power they should to drive the filthy broom, because: 1. They can become obsessive. 2. There is no guarantee that they will not use my magic in order to control monarchs (and when you're at court, and well received in the domestic intrigue, the temptation is great).

It's like that for ridicule blacks because they are black. Mages are born that way. I agree with that. They do not need to manage. Templar need to alter hunters and a DANGEROUS CRIMINAL mages. To move all of this into a legal, so to say, a plane. That's not clear to me what, then, deals with the Inquisition in dragon age? And if she does, then why do we need the temple?

refused the magician (Jovan) in its legitimate right to a normal life?
Don't forget that Jovan was not torture, and hence its normality is questionable.
what, then, does the Inquisition in dragon age?
Something like internal Affairs. They ensure that the Templars did not exceed their powers.

Resident90
Don't forget that Jovan was not torture But I remember because of whom he didn't... after all, the decision to subdue Gregor Jovan, and then only the intervention of GG led to the tragedy. When the mage is going to multiply by zero and he knows it - because it is logical to expect resistance, right? And why he immediately ordered to execute him? Yes, and in the eyes of GG and the girls Jovan? Yes Gregor even bigger moron than Meredith (to the idol). Isn't it obvious that their actions Gregor just forced Jovan to attack, using forbidden magic? When fighting for life - all good. Even Meredith in such cases, however, suppressed, but not killed, and preferred to do it secretly, and not in full view of friends and relatives of the magician. Would Gregor little adequate, it would be: 1. Jovan was arrested as soon as he learned that he was a blood mage. 2. Pacified him, and no execution attempted. And as I recall, Jovan stuck in the disciples, he a year older than GG. It is not surprising that boredom he is not of those books began to read.

And generally interesting orders in the tower under the guidance of Gregor:

1. In the library free access to books on magic blood.
2. The living room of magicians with no doors.
3. All whispering in the corridors and lay each other.
4. Students long to allow torture, lords and sorcerers appoint fools who can not even warehouses from the spiders to clean up or marazmatik, that will tell you a story about the fire rod, and about what they had done to him in his youth (even as it is ambiguous who mind matter).
5. Novices and pupils arrange a date in the Church.
6. While Uldred gathered around dozens of like-minded people and taught them blood magic. First enchanter Irving is nothing in emphasis does not see and even Ultracom admires. But listening and forcing their hangers to eavesdrop on the students (despite the fact that Jovan he is still missed).
5. Templar insult and humiliate mages INSTEAD of performing their duties (to keep order in the tower and over the observance of the magicians of the laws of the Church). A novice Templar is forced to be executioners in the torture of those mages they like.

Yes, Gregor is a wonderful head, no words.

They ensure that the Templars did not exceed their powers. Bad the next then the fucking parasites.

damn parasites.
Not a fact. Probably just wasn't as egregious cases, like in Kirkwall and the Templars managed these naruszenia to hush up. And when it happened Cerquilla massacre, it was impossible to hush up. This information came to the Inquisition. No wonder that in Kirkwall granted left and right hand of the high priestess.

Resident90
Cerquilla massacre... a chainsaw))) Judging by fereldens circle excesses happen everywhere and, again, often the fault of the Templars. After a lesion of Tevinter from Andraste that arose, the Church did everything to insult magicians and justify their own power. As a result, it so happened that the Church in fact works no better than a half defeated enemy (In Tevinter mages spit on ordinary people and kill them for no reason, abuse their power should not be necessary, but in the rest of Tadese all exactly the same, only against mages). It turns out that the lady of the Church as disgusting as masters. And this picture suggests only one common idea: people, not magic. There is a power there is abuse, there are dependent and subordinate - there is a struggle for freedom, have special talents or abilities - there are idiots that they selfishly and irresponsibly dispose of. Typical medieval insanity, when the idea of (belief in anything) involves human sacrifice (a religious war). I don't know how they're going to ДА3 all this to resolve, but I think that the game world simply is not yet at that stage of development, to fundamentally change something.

spellcustomer
It is likely to be large-scale peace operation using weapons and magic in the execution of the Inquisition

of course for mages
the shaman more fun to play, especially with rovesnikam

The choice is clear, destroy all of the temple and cursed the Church Andraste, those damn slavers.

For the mages. Of course, there are also a variety of people, but Circles is unfair and wrong.